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Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.66 04/17/08 SMI
This information is Copyright 2008 Sun Microsystems
1. Introduction
    1.1. Project/Component Working Name:
	 Gqview for OpenSolaris
    1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier:
	 Author:  Chris Wang
    1.3  Date of This Document:
	15 July, 2008
4. Technical Description
This information is 
Copyright 2008 Sun Microsystems

1. Introduction
   1.1. Project/Component Working Name:  GQview for Solaris 
        
   1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: Chris Wang  
        
   1.3. Date of This Document: 07/07/08
        
   1.5. Email Aliases:
        1.5.1. Responsible Manager:   leo.binchy@sun.com
        1.5.2. Responsible Engineer:  chris.wang@sun.com,

2. Project Summary
   2.1. Project Description:
    GQview is an image viewer for Unix operating systems. Its key features
    include single click file viewing, external editor support, thumbnail 
    preview, and zoom features. Some image management features are also included.

    
4. Technical Description:
    4.1. Details:
    Features of gqview include:
     .Thumbnail list display.
     .Thumbnails can be cached to disk for faster subsequent loads.
     .One click file selection.
     .Zoom in, out, and fit to window.
     .Slideshow.
     .Mode that zoom reverts to on a new image can be configured.
     .File filtering options.
     .Can open a file in an external program (customizable).
     .Collections (file lists).
     .Search utility.
     .Find duplicates based on file attributes or image content.
     .Full screen viewing.
     .EXIF support.
     .Printing, including proof sheets.
     .Can attach keywords and comments to images.
     .Supports the Thumbnail managing standard.
     .Command line control of existing GQview process.

    GQview doesn't come with any decoder, and doesn't use any interface
    from image libraries (PNG,JPEG etc.). Gdk-pixbuf automatically invoke
    one of a handful of its image format loaders to convert the graphics
    file into an RGB buffer, and then GQview reads data from Gdk-pixbuf.
    This means GQView supports image format that supported by Gdk-pixbuf
    availabe on the system.

    4.5. Interfaces:
        
  Exported interfaces:
    
  Interface                             Stability              Comment        
   ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  SUNWgqview                             Committed           SVr4 package  
  /usr/bin/gqview                        Volatile           gqview command line
  
  
  Imported Interfaces 
  Interface                             Stability         Comments 
   ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  
   GNOME Committed Platform Libraries    Committed       LSARC/2007/520 GTK+ library
                                                        GNOME 2.20 
     
 
    4.9. I18N/L10N Impact:
         GQview includes translation of serveral language, The JDS team 
       and the G11N are working together to evaluate  I18N/L10N support 

    4.10. Packaging & Delivery:
         The project will be delivering the following packages:
         SUNWgqview 
        
    4.11. Security Impact:
         No impact
    
       
5. Reference Documents:
    1.SUNWgqview        
      pkgmap
        pkginfo
        depend
        
    
    2.GQView community
          http://gqview.sourceforge.net

    3.GQView user manual 
       http://gqview.sourceforge.net/docs/index.html
 


6. Resources and Schedule
    6.4. Steering Committee requested information
   	6.4.1. Consolidation C-team Name:
		Desktop
    6.5. ARC review type: FastTrack
    6.6. ARC Exposure: open


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Which version of gqview?

Thanks,
Danek

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gqview 2.0.4

--Irene
On Tue, 2008-07-15 at 20:40 -0700, Danek Duvall wrote:
> Which version of gqview?
> 
> Thanks,
> Danek


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On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 12:06:38PM +0800, Irene Huang wrote:

> gqview 2.0.4

FWIW, I've been using 2.1.5 for some time, which I find quite stable, and
much more featureful than 2.0.4.  As a user, I'd appreciate it if you'd
consider moving to the 2.1 line.

Thanks,
Danek

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Danek:
Our strategy is to deliver community stable version to Opensolaris, 
that's why we plan to ship 2.0.4 version. However, we will merge to 
2.1.x version when it announced to become stable version.

Thanks,
Chris

Danek Duvall 写道:
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 12:06:38PM +0800, Irene Huang wrote:
>
>   
>> gqview 2.0.4
>>     
>
> FWIW, I've been using 2.1.5 for some time, which I find quite stable, and
> much more featureful than 2.0.4.  As a user, I'd appreciate it if you'd
> consider moving to the 2.1 line.
>
> Thanks,
> Danek
>   


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On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 12:39:19PM +0800, C Wang wrote:

> Our strategy is to deliver community stable version to Opensolaris, that's 
> why we plan to ship 2.0.4 version. However, we will merge to 2.1.x version 
> when it announced to become stable version.

That would make some sense if there were any expectation that 2.1.x would
ever be released.  But the project has been inert for the past year and a
half.  Meanwhile, the latest "development" release works perfectly well,
and is better than the "stable" release.  There are a lot of open source
projects where the development release is usually the better choice --
whether neither branch has been updated in a long time (like gqview), or
whether the community simply waits a very long time between "stable"
releases, despite the fact that the "development" release is production
quality, and often much better than the older branch (like zsh, fvwm).

It's your choice, but I think you'll end up with fewer happy customers if
you choose the older version, and the new one won't be any more of a
maintenance burden, since it's not changing at all, either.

Danek

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Where does this tool fit amongst all the other image viewers/editors 
that are already available in OpenSolaris (e.g. ImageMagick, eog, gthumb 
& gimp)? What does gqview have that none of the others provide? Are any 
of the others made obsolete by the addition of gqview?


Shi-Ying Irene Huang wrote:
> Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.66 04/17/08 SMI
> This information is Copyright 2008 Sun Microsystems
> 1. Introduction
>     1.1. Project/Component Working Name:
> 	 Gqview for OpenSolaris
>     1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier:
> 	 Author:  Chris Wang
>     1.3  Date of This Document:
> 	15 July, 2008
> 4. Technical Description
> This information is 
> Copyright 2008 Sun Microsystems
> 
> 1. Introduction
>    1.1. Project/Component Working Name:  GQview for Solaris 
>         
>    1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: Chris Wang  
>         
>    1.3. Date of This Document: 07/07/08
>         
>    1.5. Email Aliases:
>         1.5.1. Responsible Manager:   leo.binchy@sun.com
>         1.5.2. Responsible Engineer:  chris.wang@sun.com,
> 
> 2. Project Summary
>    2.1. Project Description:
>     GQview is an image viewer for Unix operating systems. Its key features
>     include single click file viewing, external editor support, thumbnail 
>     preview, and zoom features. Some image management features are also included.
> 
>     
> 4. Technical Description:
>     4.1. Details:
>     Features of gqview include:
>      .Thumbnail list display.
>      .Thumbnails can be cached to disk for faster subsequent loads.
>      .One click file selection.
>      .Zoom in, out, and fit to window.
>      .Slideshow.
>      .Mode that zoom reverts to on a new image can be configured.
>      .File filtering options.
>      .Can open a file in an external program (customizable).
>      .Collections (file lists).
>      .Search utility.
>      .Find duplicates based on file attributes or image content.
>      .Full screen viewing.
>      .EXIF support.
>      .Printing, including proof sheets.
>      .Can attach keywords and comments to images.
>      .Supports the Thumbnail managing standard.
>      .Command line control of existing GQview process.
> 
>     GQview doesn't come with any decoder, and doesn't use any interface
>     from image libraries (PNG,JPEG etc.). Gdk-pixbuf automatically invoke
>     one of a handful of its image format loaders to convert the graphics
>     file into an RGB buffer, and then GQview reads data from Gdk-pixbuf.
>     This means GQView supports image format that supported by Gdk-pixbuf
>     availabe on the system.
> 
>     4.5. Interfaces:
>         
>   Exported interfaces:
>     
>   Interface                             Stability              Comment        
>    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>   SUNWgqview                             Committed           SVr4 package  
>   /usr/bin/gqview                        Volatile           gqview command line
>   
>   
>   Imported Interfaces 
>   Interface                             Stability         Comments 
>    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>   
>    GNOME Committed Platform Libraries    Committed       LSARC/2007/520 GTK+ library
>                                                         GNOME 2.20 
>      
>  
>     4.9. I18N/L10N Impact:
>          GQview includes translation of serveral language, The JDS team 
>        and the G11N are working together to evaluate  I18N/L10N support 
> 
>     4.10. Packaging & Delivery:
>          The project will be delivering the following packages:
>          SUNWgqview 
>         
>     4.11. Security Impact:
>          No impact
>     
>        
> 5. Reference Documents:
>     1.SUNWgqview        
>       pkgmap
>         pkginfo
>         depend
>         
>     
>     2.GQView community
>           http://gqview.sourceforge.net
> 
>     3.GQView user manual 
>        http://gqview.sourceforge.net/docs/index.html
>  
> 
> 
> 6. Resources and Schedule
>     6.4. Steering Committee requested information
>    	6.4.1. Consolidation C-team Name:
> 		Desktop
>     6.5. ARC review type: FastTrack
>     6.6. ARC Exposure: open
> 

-- 
Jim Gates                    Sun Microsystems
Nashua, USA             http://sun.com/postgresql

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James:
We haven't shipped ImageMagick on Solaris, Gimp is a image editor tool, 
it contains many image processing operations and filter, and can be used 
to create special effect image. eog is a simple image viewer, the 
advantage of eog is the launch speed, so we associate most of image 
format with it to ensure better user experience, but it lack of the 
ability to organize the image.

gqview and gthumb are similar applications, I'll call them image 
organizer. With these applications, user can easily organize and 
management there images, they generally only have limited image 
processing operation available. For my opinion, gqview offers better UI 
than gthumb, but it really depends on users preference. I don't think we 
are going to replace gthumb with gqview but keep them together to give 
users more choices.

Thanks and Regards,
Chris

James Gates 写道:
> Where does this tool fit amongst all the other image viewers/editors 
> that are already available in OpenSolaris (e.g. ImageMagick, eog, 
> gthumb & gimp)? What does gqview have that none of the others provide? 
> Are any of the others made obsolete by the addition of gqview?
>
>
> Shi-Ying Irene Huang wrote:
>> Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.66 04/17/08 SMI
>> This information is Copyright 2008 Sun Microsystems
>> 1. Introduction
>> 1.1. Project/Component Working Name:
>> Gqview for OpenSolaris
>> 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier:
>> Author: Chris Wang
>> 1.3 Date of This Document:
>> 15 July, 2008
>> 4. Technical Description
>> Copyright 2008 Sun Microsystems
>>
>> 1. Introduction
>> 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: GQview for Solaris 1.2. Name of 
>> Document Author/Supplier: Chris Wang 1.3. Date of This Document: 
>> 07/07/08
>> 1.5. Email Aliases:
>> 1.5.1. Responsible Manager: leo.binchy@sun.com
>> 1.5.2. Responsible Engineer: chris.wang@sun.com,
>>
>> 2. Project Summary
>> 2.1. Project Description:
>> GQview is an image viewer for Unix operating systems. Its key features
>> include single click file viewing, external editor support, thumbnail 
>> preview, and zoom features. Some image management features are also 
>> included.
>>
>> 4. Technical Description:
>> 4.1. Details:
>> Features of gqview include:
>> .Thumbnail list display.
>> .Thumbnails can be cached to disk for faster subsequent loads.
>> .One click file selection.
>> .Zoom in, out, and fit to window.
>> .Slideshow.
>> .Mode that zoom reverts to on a new image can be configured.
>> .File filtering options.
>> .Can open a file in an external program (customizable).
>> .Collections (file lists).
>> .Search utility.
>> .Find duplicates based on file attributes or image content.
>> .Full screen viewing.
>> .EXIF support.
>> .Printing, including proof sheets.
>> .Can attach keywords and comments to images.
>> .Supports the Thumbnail managing standard.
>> .Command line control of existing GQview process.
>>
>> GQview doesn't come with any decoder, and doesn't use any interface
>> from image libraries (PNG,JPEG etc.). Gdk-pixbuf automatically invoke
>> one of a handful of its image format loaders to convert the graphics
>> file into an RGB buffer, and then GQview reads data from Gdk-pixbuf.
>> This means GQView supports image format that supported by Gdk-pixbuf
>> availabe on the system.
>>
>> 4.5. Interfaces:
>> Exported interfaces:
>> Interface Stability Comment 
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>
>> SUNWgqview Committed SVr4 package /usr/bin/gqview Volatile gqview 
>> command line
>> Imported Interfaces Interface Stability Comments 
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
>>
>> GNOME Committed Platform Libraries Committed LSARC/2007/520 GTK+ library
>> GNOME 2.20
>> 4.9. I18N/L10N Impact:
>> GQview includes translation of serveral language, The JDS team and 
>> the G11N are working together to evaluate I18N/L10N support
>> 4.10. Packaging & Delivery:
>> The project will be delivering the following packages:
>> SUNWgqview 4.11. Security Impact:
>> No impact
>> 5. Reference Documents:
>> 1.SUNWgqview pkgmap
>> pkginfo
>> depend
>> 2.GQView community
>> http://gqview.sourceforge.net
>>
>> 3.GQView user manual http://gqview.sourceforge.net/docs/index.html
>>
>>
>>
>> 6. Resources and Schedule
>> 6.4. Steering Committee requested information
>> 6.4.1. Consolidation C-team Name:
>> Desktop
>> 6.5. ARC review type: FastTrack
>> 6.6. ARC Exposure: open
>>
>


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C Wang wrote:
> James:
> We haven't shipped ImageMagick on Solaris, 

Well it's on my system. I think it was integrated with GNOME back in 
'06? [LSARC/2006/202 GNOME 2.14] perhaps?

$ uname -a
SunOS harley 5.11 snv_79a i86pc i386 i86pc
$ pkginfo -l SUNWimagick
    PKGINST:  SUNWimagick
       NAME:  ImageMagick - Image Manipulation Utilities and Libraries
       DESC:  ImageMagick - Image Manipulation Utilities and Libraries 6.3.4

But it's probably not important if ImageMagick & gqview do different things.

 > Gimp is a image editor tool,
> it contains many image processing operations and filter, and can be used 
> to create special effect image. eog is a simple image viewer, the 
> advantage of eog is the launch speed, so we associate most of image 
> format with it to ensure better user experience, but it lack of the 
> ability to organize the image.
> 
> gqview and gthumb are similar applications, I'll call them image 
> organizer. With these applications, user can easily organize and 
> management there images, they generally only have limited image 
> processing operation available. For my opinion, gqview offers better UI 
> than gthumb, but it really depends on users preference. I don't think we 
> are going to replace gthumb with gqview but keep them together to give 
> users more choices.
> 
OK, thanks.
> Thanks and Regards,
> Chris
> 
> James Gates
> 
>> Where does this tool fit amongst all the other image viewers/editors 
>> that are already available in OpenSolaris (e.g. ImageMagick, eog, 
>> gthumb & gimp)? What does gqview have that none of the others provide? 
>> Are any of the others made obsolete by the addition of gqview?

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C Wang wrote:
> We haven't shipped ImageMagick on Solaris, 

Yes, we have, since Solaris 10.    See /usr/sfw/bin/convert, display, etc.
on older builds, /usr/bin in newer builds.

-- 
	-Alan Coopersmith-           alan.coopersmith@sun.com
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On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 11:32:16AM -0400, James Gates wrote:

> C Wang wrote:
>> James:
>> We haven't shipped ImageMagick on Solaris, 
>
> Well it's on my system. I think it was integrated with GNOME back in '06? 
> [LSARC/2006/202 GNOME 2.14] perhaps?

ImageMagick was integrated (into SFW) by the printing team, as it's used by
the software RIP.  See LSARC/2004/262 and bug 5025211.

Danek

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I didn't notice that, thanks for clarify.

Chris
Danek Duvall 写道:
> On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 11:32:16AM -0400, James Gates wrote:
>
>   
>> C Wang wrote:
>>     
>>> James:
>>> We haven't shipped ImageMagick on Solaris, 
>>>       
>> Well it's on my system. I think it was integrated with GNOME back in '06? 
>> [LSARC/2006/202 GNOME 2.14] perhaps?
>>     
>
> ImageMagick was integrated (into SFW) by the printing team, as it's used by
> the software RIP.  See LSARC/2004/262 and bug 5025211.
>
> Danek
>   


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Danek:
I tested the 2.1.x release and found the new feature "pan view" has some 
significant performance issue, I don't think we can ship the product 
without fix this issue, I'll try to contact the maintainer to see if we 
can work together to fix the problem. For the time being, we will stay 
with 2.0.X release.

Thanks,
Chris

Danek Duvall 写道:
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 12:39:19PM +0800, C Wang wrote:
>
>   
>> Our strategy is to deliver community stable version to Opensolaris, that's 
>> why we plan to ship 2.0.4 version. However, we will merge to 2.1.x version 
>> when it announced to become stable version.
>>     
>
> That would make some sense if there were any expectation that 2.1.x would
> ever be released.  But the project has been inert for the past year and a
> half.  Meanwhile, the latest "development" release works perfectly well,
> and is better than the "stable" release.  There are a lot of open source
> projects where the development release is usually the better choice --
> whether neither branch has been updated in a long time (like gqview), or
> whether the community simply waits a very long time between "stable"
> releases, despite the fact that the "development" release is production
> quality, and often much better than the older branch (like zsh, fvwm).
>
> It's your choice, but I think you'll end up with fewer happy customers if
> you choose the older version, and the new one won't be any more of a
> maintenance burden, since it's not changing at all, either.
>
> Danek
>   


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OK, So the decision is to ship 2.0.4 for the time being, since 2.1.x has
a significant performance issue. 

If there any objections or further issues regarding this case, please
send and email before the deadline 07/22/2008. Or I'll close the case as
approved. 

--Irene
On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 11:36 +0800, C Wang wrote:
> Danek:
> I tested the 2.1.x release and found the new feature "pan view" has some 
> significant performance issue, I don't think we can ship the product 
> without fix this issue, I'll try to contact the maintainer to see if we 
> can work together to fix the problem. For the time being, we will stay 
> with 2.0.X release.
> 
> Thanks,
> Chris
> 
> Danek Duvall 写道:
> > On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 12:39:19PM +0800, C Wang wrote:
> >
> >   
> >> Our strategy is to deliver community stable version to Opensolaris, that's 
> >> why we plan to ship 2.0.4 version. However, we will merge to 2.1.x version 
> >> when it announced to become stable version.
> >>     
> >
> > That would make some sense if there were any expectation that 2.1.x would
> > ever be released.  But the project has been inert for the past year and a
> > half.  Meanwhile, the latest "development" release works perfectly well,
> > and is better than the "stable" release.  There are a lot of open source
> > projects where the development release is usually the better choice --
> > whether neither branch has been updated in a long time (like gqview), or
> > whether the community simply waits a very long time between "stable"
> > releases, despite the fact that the "development" release is production
> > quality, and often much better than the older branch (like zsh, fvwm).
> >
> > It's your choice, but I think you'll end up with fewer happy customers if
> > you choose the older version, and the new one won't be any more of a
> > maintenance burden, since it's not changing at all, either.
> >
> > Danek
> >   
> 


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Chris:

Is it a good idea to integrate an application which hasn't been actively
maintained in a year-and-a-half, and which also has very similar
functionality to gthumb?  While I appreciate giving users choice, I'm
not sure that a program which isn't being actively developed anymore is
the best "choice".  Wouldn't it be better to simply spend some effort
improving the UI of gthumb if that is the only deficiency that gqview
addresses?

Brian


> gqview and gthumb are similar applications, I'll call them image 
> organizer. With these applications, user can easily organize and 
> management there images, they generally only have limited image 
> processing operation available. For my opinion, gqview offers better UI 
> than gthumb, but it really depends on users preference. I don't think we 
> are going to replace gthumb with gqview but keep them together to give 
> users more choices.
> 
> Thanks and Regards,
> Chris
> 
> James Gates 写道:
>> Where does this tool fit amongst all the other image viewers/editors 
>> that are already available in OpenSolaris (e.g. ImageMagick, eog, 
>> gthumb & gimp)? What does gqview have that none of the others provide? 
>> Are any of the others made obsolete by the addition of gqview?
>>
>>
>> Shi-Ying Irene Huang wrote:
>>> Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.66 04/17/08 SMI
>>> This information is Copyright 2008 Sun Microsystems
>>> 1. Introduction
>>> 1.1. Project/Component Working Name:
>>> Gqview for OpenSolaris
>>> 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier:
>>> Author: Chris Wang
>>> 1.3 Date of This Document:
>>> 15 July, 2008
>>> 4. Technical Description
>>> Copyright 2008 Sun Microsystems
>>>
>>> 1. Introduction
>>> 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: GQview for Solaris 1.2. Name of 
>>> Document Author/Supplier: Chris Wang 1.3. Date of This Document: 
>>> 07/07/08
>>> 1.5. Email Aliases:
>>> 1.5.1. Responsible Manager: leo.binchy@sun.com
>>> 1.5.2. Responsible Engineer: chris.wang@sun.com,
>>>
>>> 2. Project Summary
>>> 2.1. Project Description:
>>> GQview is an image viewer for Unix operating systems. Its key features
>>> include single click file viewing, external editor support, thumbnail 
>>> preview, and zoom features. Some image management features are also 
>>> included.
>>>
>>> 4. Technical Description:
>>> 4.1. Details:
>>> Features of gqview include:
>>> .Thumbnail list display.
>>> .Thumbnails can be cached to disk for faster subsequent loads.
>>> .One click file selection.
>>> .Zoom in, out, and fit to window.
>>> .Slideshow.
>>> .Mode that zoom reverts to on a new image can be configured.
>>> .File filtering options.
>>> .Can open a file in an external program (customizable).
>>> .Collections (file lists).
>>> .Search utility.
>>> .Find duplicates based on file attributes or image content.
>>> .Full screen viewing.
>>> .EXIF support.
>>> .Printing, including proof sheets.
>>> .Can attach keywords and comments to images.
>>> .Supports the Thumbnail managing standard.
>>> .Command line control of existing GQview process.
>>>
>>> GQview doesn't come with any decoder, and doesn't use any interface
>>> from image libraries (PNG,JPEG etc.). Gdk-pixbuf automatically invoke
>>> one of a handful of its image format loaders to convert the graphics
>>> file into an RGB buffer, and then GQview reads data from Gdk-pixbuf.
>>> This means GQView supports image format that supported by Gdk-pixbuf
>>> availabe on the system.
>>>
>>> 4.5. Interfaces:
>>> Exported interfaces:
>>> Interface Stability Comment 
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>
>>> SUNWgqview Committed SVr4 package /usr/bin/gqview Volatile gqview 
>>> command line
>>> Imported Interfaces Interface Stability Comments 
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
>>>
>>> GNOME Committed Platform Libraries Committed LSARC/2007/520 GTK+ library
>>> GNOME 2.20
>>> 4.9. I18N/L10N Impact:
>>> GQview includes translation of serveral language, The JDS team and 
>>> the G11N are working together to evaluate I18N/L10N support
>>> 4.10. Packaging & Delivery:
>>> The project will be delivering the following packages:
>>> SUNWgqview 4.11. Security Impact:
>>> No impact
>>> 5. Reference Documents:
>>> 1.SUNWgqview pkgmap
>>> pkginfo
>>> depend
>>> 2.GQView community
>>> http://gqview.sourceforge.net
>>>
>>> 3.GQView user manual http://gqview.sourceforge.net/docs/index.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 6. Resources and Schedule
>>> 6.4. Steering Committee requested information
>>> 6.4.1. Consolidation C-team Name:
>>> Desktop
>>> 6.5. ARC review type: FastTrack
>>> 6.6. ARC Exposure: open
>>>
>>
> 


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Brian:
Although the gqview is not actively developed in the past one and half year,
there has no officially announcement the project is terminated.

Personnaly,I think gqview 2.0.4 is a very stable release, it will not spend
much effort to maintain it, and we are not going to ship it by default, 
this
will show as a optional package (which is same to Ubuntu)

Talking about the GUI, I'm not saying the gqview if better than gthumb. 
They are just
in two different style, gthumb is more a traditional gnome application, 
while gqview
gives more Windows like look and feel. I think we can give user choice 
based on their
preference.

Chris



Brian Cameron 写道:
>
> Chris:
>
> Is it a good idea to integrate an application which hasn't been actively
> maintained in a year-and-a-half, and which also has very similar
> functionality to gthumb?  While I appreciate giving users choice, I'm
> not sure that a program which isn't being actively developed anymore is
> the best "choice".  Wouldn't it be better to simply spend some effort
> improving the UI of gthumb if that is the only deficiency that gqview
> addresses?
>
> Brian
>
>
>> gqview and gthumb are similar applications, I'll call them image 
>> organizer. With these applications, user can easily organize and 
>> management there images, they generally only have limited image 
>> processing operation available. For my opinion, gqview offers better 
>> UI than gthumb, but it really depends on users preference. I don't 
>> think we are going to replace gthumb with gqview but keep them 
>> together to give users more choices.
>>
>> Thanks and Regards,
>> Chris
>>
>> James Gates 写道:
>>> Where does this tool fit amongst all the other image viewers/editors 
>>> that are already available in OpenSolaris (e.g. ImageMagick, eog, 
>>> gthumb & gimp)? What does gqview have that none of the others 
>>> provide? Are any of the others made obsolete by the addition of gqview?
>>>
>>>
>>> Shi-Ying Irene Huang wrote:
>>>> Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.66 04/17/08 SMI
>>>> This information is Copyright 2008 Sun Microsystems
>>>> 1. Introduction
>>>> 1.1. Project/Component Working Name:
>>>> Gqview for OpenSolaris
>>>> 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier:
>>>> Author: Chris Wang
>>>> 1.3 Date of This Document:
>>>> 15 July, 2008
>>>> 4. Technical Description
>>>> Copyright 2008 Sun Microsystems
>>>>
>>>> 1. Introduction
>>>> 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: GQview for Solaris 1.2. Name 
>>>> of Document Author/Supplier: Chris Wang 1.3. Date of This Document: 
>>>> 07/07/08
>>>> 1.5. Email Aliases:
>>>> 1.5.1. Responsible Manager: leo.binchy@sun.com
>>>> 1.5.2. Responsible Engineer: chris.wang@sun.com,
>>>>
>>>> 2. Project Summary
>>>> 2.1. Project Description:
>>>> GQview is an image viewer for Unix operating systems. Its key features
>>>> include single click file viewing, external editor support, 
>>>> thumbnail preview, and zoom features. Some image management 
>>>> features are also included.
>>>>
>>>> 4. Technical Description:
>>>> 4.1. Details:
>>>> Features of gqview include:
>>>> .Thumbnail list display.
>>>> .Thumbnails can be cached to disk for faster subsequent loads.
>>>> .One click file selection.
>>>> .Zoom in, out, and fit to window.
>>>> .Slideshow.
>>>> .Mode that zoom reverts to on a new image can be configured.
>>>> .File filtering options.
>>>> .Can open a file in an external program (customizable).
>>>> .Collections (file lists).
>>>> .Search utility.
>>>> .Find duplicates based on file attributes or image content.
>>>> .Full screen viewing.
>>>> .EXIF support.
>>>> .Printing, including proof sheets.
>>>> .Can attach keywords and comments to images.
>>>> .Supports the Thumbnail managing standard.
>>>> .Command line control of existing GQview process.
>>>>
>>>> GQview doesn't come with any decoder, and doesn't use any interface
>>>> from image libraries (PNG,JPEG etc.). Gdk-pixbuf automatically invoke
>>>> one of a handful of its image format loaders to convert the graphics
>>>> file into an RGB buffer, and then GQview reads data from Gdk-pixbuf.
>>>> This means GQView supports image format that supported by Gdk-pixbuf
>>>> availabe on the system.
>>>>
>>>> 4.5. Interfaces:
>>>> Exported interfaces:
>>>> Interface Stability Comment 
>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>>
>>>> SUNWgqview Committed SVr4 package /usr/bin/gqview Volatile gqview 
>>>> command line
>>>> Imported Interfaces Interface Stability Comments 
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
>>>>
>>>> GNOME Committed Platform Libraries Committed LSARC/2007/520 GTK+ 
>>>> library
>>>> GNOME 2.20
>>>> 4.9. I18N/L10N Impact:
>>>> GQview includes translation of serveral language, The JDS team and 
>>>> the G11N are working together to evaluate I18N/L10N support
>>>> 4.10. Packaging & Delivery:
>>>> The project will be delivering the following packages:
>>>> SUNWgqview 4.11. Security Impact:
>>>> No impact
>>>> 5. Reference Documents:
>>>> 1.SUNWgqview pkgmap
>>>> pkginfo
>>>> depend
>>>> 2.GQView community
>>>> http://gqview.sourceforge.net
>>>>
>>>> 3.GQView user manual http://gqview.sourceforge.net/docs/index.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 6. Resources and Schedule
>>>> 6.4. Steering Committee requested information
>>>> 6.4.1. Consolidation C-team Name:
>>>> Desktop
>>>> 6.5. ARC review type: FastTrack
>>>> 6.6. ARC Exposure: open
>>>>
>>>
>>
>


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C Wang wrote:
> Brian:
> Although the gqview is not actively developed in the past one and half year,
> there has no officially announcement the project is terminated.
> 
> Personnaly,I think gqview 2.0.4 is a very stable release, it will not spend
> much effort to maintain it, and we are not going to ship it by default, 
> this
> will show as a optional package (which is same to Ubuntu)

There no such concept at this time of not shipping something by default. 
  Until there is architecture present to ARC for how the new 
pkg.opensolaris.org system works and how packages are selected for the 
install disk the only method for integration is via the existing Solaris 
RE process.  That means that it *is* shipped by default on the Solaris 
Express CD/DVD media.

Non Sun employees can deliver via pkg.opensolaris.org/contrib/ but Sun 
employees can not.

-- 
Darren J Moffat

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Chris:

> Although the gqview is not actively developed in the past one and half 
> year, there has no officially announcement the project is terminated.

Just to be clear, I don't think my comments about how well Gqview is
maintained should affect whether this ARC case is approved or not.
Getting ARC approval will give us the go-ahead to integrate Gqview if
and when we feel it is appropriate.

That said, I think we should do some careful consideration about when we
integrate.  To me, it would make sense to make sure that the external
community is healthy and the project will be reasonably maintained
upstream before we ship it in any supported sense.  This could, for
example, involve people from Sun stepping in and helping do
maintainership or other duties if we think the business justification
for Gqview warrants the effort.

Brian

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Brian:


Brian Cameron 写道:
>
> Chris:
>
>> Although the gqview is not actively developed in the past one and 
>> half year, there has no officially announcement the project is 
>> terminated.
>
> Just to be clear, I don't think my comments about how well Gqview is
> maintained should affect whether this ARC case is approved or not.
> Getting ARC approval will give us the go-ahead to integrate Gqview if
> and when we feel it is appropriate.
>
> That said, I think we should do some careful consideration about when we
> integrate.  To me, it would make sense to make sure that the external
> community is healthy and the project will be reasonably maintained
> upstream before we ship it in any supported sense.  This could, for
> example, involve people from Sun stepping in and helping do
> maintainership or other duties if we think the business justification
> for Gqview warrants the effort.
>
We will take care of the related bug reported on opensolaris.org, and 
may involved
certain level in community if necessary.

Chris
 
> Brian


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So there's no blocking issues for this case, if there's no more
discussion for this case within 24 hours

I'll close this case as approved. 

Thanks 

--Irene

On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 11:17 +0800, C Wang wrote:
> Brian:
> 
> 
> Brian Cameron 写道:
> >
> > Chris:
> >
> >> Although the gqview is not actively developed in the past one and 
> >> half year, there has no officially announcement the project is 
> >> terminated.
> >
> > Just to be clear, I don't think my comments about how well Gqview is
> > maintained should affect whether this ARC case is approved or not.
> > Getting ARC approval will give us the go-ahead to integrate Gqview if
> > and when we feel it is appropriate.
> >
> > That said, I think we should do some careful consideration about when we
> > integrate.  To me, it would make sense to make sure that the external
> > community is healthy and the project will be reasonably maintained
> > upstream before we ship it in any supported sense.  This could, for
> > example, involve people from Sun stepping in and helping do
> > maintainership or other duties if we think the business justification
> > for Gqview warrants the effort.
> >
> We will take care of the related bug reported on opensolaris.org, and 
> may involved
> certain level in community if necessary.
> 
> Chris
>  
> > Brian
> 


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close approved

--Irene 

On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 13:25 +0800, Irene Huang wrote:
> So there's no blocking issues for this case, if there's no more
> discussion for this case within 24 hours
> 
> I'll close this case as approved. 
> 
> Thanks 
> 
> --Irene
> 
> On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 11:17 +0800, C Wang wrote:
> > Brian:
> > 
> > 
> > Brian Cameron 写道:
> > >
> > > Chris:
> > >
> > >> Although the gqview is not actively developed in the past one and 
> > >> half year, there has no officially announcement the project is 
> > >> terminated.
> > >
> > > Just to be clear, I don't think my comments about how well Gqview is
> > > maintained should affect whether this ARC case is approved or not.
> > > Getting ARC approval will give us the go-ahead to integrate Gqview if
> > > and when we feel it is appropriate.
> > >
> > > That said, I think we should do some careful consideration about when we
> > > integrate.  To me, it would make sense to make sure that the external
> > > community is healthy and the project will be reasonably maintained
> > > upstream before we ship it in any supported sense.  This could, for
> > > example, involve people from Sun stepping in and helping do
> > > maintainership or other duties if we think the business justification
> > > for Gqview warrants the effort.
> > >
> > We will take care of the related bug reported on opensolaris.org, and 
> > may involved
> > certain level in community if necessary.
> > 
> > Chris
> >  
> > > Brian
> > 
> 


