From sh162551@sac.sfbay.sun.com Fri Aug 15 00:59:50 2008 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7F7xoak026964 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:59:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m7F7xoEw014180; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:59:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K5M00E01U7Q2K00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:59:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm-sfbay-02.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.11.31]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K5M00N0FU7Q2HA0@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:59:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sac.sfbay.sun.com (new-sac.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.175.65]) by dm-sfbay-02.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m7F7xmMp048524; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:59:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sac.sfbay.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7F7xlFn026958; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:59:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sh162551@localhost) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/Submit) id m7F7xlgj026953; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:59:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:59:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Shi-Ying Irene Huang Subject: ncurses for OpenSolaris [LSARC/2008/524 FastTrack timeout 08/22/2008] To: lsarc-ext@sun.com Cc: rick.ju@sun.com Message-id: <200808150759.m7F7xlgj026953@sac.sfbay.sun.com> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 Status: RO Content-Length: 6161 Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.66 04/17/08 SMI This information is Copyright 2008 Sun Microsystems 1. Introduction 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: ncurses for OpenSolaris 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: Author: Rick Ju 1.3 Date of This Document: 15 August, 2008 4. Technical Description 1. Introduction 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: ncurses 5.6 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: Author: Rick Ju Sponser: Irene Huang 1.3. Date of This Document: 07/11/2008 4. Technical Description: 4.1. Details: Ncurses is a programming library providing an API, allowing the programmer to write text user interfaces (textual blocky UI) in a terminal- independent manner. It's a toolkit for developing "GUI-like" apps which run under a terminal emulator. It also optimizes screen changes, in order to reduce the latency experienced when using remote shells. Ncurses is a free software emulation (clone) of System V Release 4.0 (SVR4) curses, an enhancement over the discontinued classic 4.4 BSD curses. The XSI Curses standard issued by X/Open is explicitly and closely modeled on System V. Most ncurses calls can be easily ported to the old curses. System V curses implementations can support BSD curses programs with just a recompilation. However, a few areas are problematic, such as handling terminal resizing (since no counterpart exists in the old curses). Other subtle differences in call semantics can make porting an ncurses application to commercial Unix somewhat difficult. Ncurses can use either terminfo (with extensible data), or termcap as terminal database. Because most the binaries and libraries use same name with SVR4 curses, we ship the binaries in /usr/gnu/bin and the libraries in /usr/lib/libncurses. For more info, please refer to http://www.gnu.org/software/ncurses. 4.2. Interfaces: Exported Interfaces Interface Classification Comments --------------- --------------- ----------------------- /usr/bin/gcaptoinfo /usr/bin/gclear /usr/bin/ginfocmp /usr/bin/ginfotocap /usr/bin/greset /usr/bin/gtack /usr/bin/gtic /usr/bin/gtoe /usr/bin/gtput /usr/bin/gtset Volatile CLI binaries. These are files with a 'g' prefix. Please see the man pages. /usr/gnu/bin/captoinfo /usr/gnu/bin/clear /usr/gnu/bin/infocmp /usr/gnu/bin/infotocap /usr/gnu/bin/reset /usr/gnu/bin/tack /usr/gnu/bin/tic /usr/gnu/bin/toe /usr/gnu/bin/tput /usr/gnu/bin/tset Volatile These are links to binaries in /usr/bin/ with a 'g' prefix Please see the man pages. /usr/bin/ncurses5-config Volatile CLI binaries. /usr/lib/libgcurses.so /usr/lib/libgform.so.5 /usr/lib/libgmenu.so.5 /usr/lib/libgncurses.so.5 /usr/lib/libgpanel.so.5 Volatile Supporting libraries These are files with a 'g' prefix /usr/gnu/lib/libcurses.so /usr/gnu/lib/libform.so.5 /usr/gnu/lib/libmenu.so.5 /usr/gnu/lib/libncurses.so.5 /usr/gnu/lib/libpanel.so.5 Volatile Supporting libraries These are links to libraries in /usr/lib/ with a 'g' prefix /usr/include/ncurses/ Volatile Directory for Header files in development package. SUNWncurses Uncommited ncurses packaging contains binaries, libraries. SUNWncurses-devel Uncommited ncurses packaging contains headers and static libraries Imported Interfaces Interface Classification Comments --------------- --------------- ----------------------- libc Committed PSARC/1991/064 libm Committed LSARC/1992/005 4.3. Doc Impact: Man page provided 4.4. Packaging & Delivery: SUNWncurses (base package) - Base package i.e binary, libraries SUNWncurses-devel - Development packaging 4.5. Dependencies: libc and libm. 4.6. I18N/L10N Impact: The JDS team and the G11N are working together to evaluation and provide I18N/L10N support. 4.7 Security Impact: None. 5. Reference Documents: [1] ncurses homepage http://www.gnu.org/software/ncurses/ [2] Relates ARC cases PSARC/1991/064 MT-Safe libc LSARC/1992/005 Bundled libm packaging 6. Resources and Schedule 6.4. Steering Committee requested information 6.4.1. Consolidation C-team Name: Desktop 6.5. ARC review type: FastTrack 6.6. ARC Exposure: open From Irene.Huang@sun.com Fri Aug 15 01:12:25 2008 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7F8COD9027762 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:12:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m7F8CLe4015503 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:lsarc-ext@sun.com>; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:12:23 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K5M00005USL4Y00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:12:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sineb-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.19.7]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K5M00JOGUSKPSC0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:12:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-apac-06.sun.com (fe-apac-06.sun.com [192.18.19.177] (may be forged)) by sineb-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7F8CJb4022457 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:12:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-apac.sun.com by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0K5M00001URSBH00@mail-apac.sun.com> (original mail from Irene.Huang@Sun.COM) for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:12:19 +0800 (SGT) Received: from [129.158.217.138] by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0K5M00BBIUSIRGO5@mail-apac.sun.com>; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:12:19 +0800 (SGT) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:13:28 +0800 From: Irene Huang Subject: Re: ncurses for OpenSolaris [LSARC/2008/524 FastTrack timeout 08/22/2008] In-reply-to: <200808150759.m7F7xlgj026953@sac.sfbay.sun.com> Sender: Irene.Huang@sun.com To: Shi-Ying Irene Huang Cc: lsarc-ext@sun.com, Rick.Ju@sun.com Message-id: <1218788008.998.15.camel@goalie> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.2 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200808150759.m7F7xlgj026953@sac.sfbay.sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 6853 Hi, all I am sponsoring this case. The timeout is set to be 08/22/2008. Additional materials include pkgmap and manpages are available at: Internally: http://sac.eng/Archives/CaseLog/arc/LSARC/2008/524/materials/ Externally http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/caselog/2008/524 Thanks --Irene On Fri, 2008-08-15 at 00:59 -0700, Shi-Ying Irene Huang wrote: > Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.66 04/17/08 SMI > This information is Copyright 2008 Sun Microsystems > 1. Introduction > 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: > ncurses for OpenSolaris > 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: > Author: Rick Ju > 1.3 Date of This Document: > 15 August, 2008 > 4. Technical Description > 1. Introduction > 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: > > ncurses 5.6 > > 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: > > Author: Rick Ju > Sponser: Irene Huang > > 1.3. Date of This Document: > > 07/11/2008 > > 4. Technical Description: > 4.1. Details: > > Ncurses is a programming library providing an API, allowing the programmer > to write text user interfaces (textual blocky UI) in a terminal- > independent manner. It's a toolkit for developing "GUI-like" apps which > run under a terminal emulator. It also optimizes screen changes, in order > to reduce the latency experienced when using remote shells. > > Ncurses is a free software emulation (clone) of System V Release 4.0 (SVR4) > curses, an enhancement over the discontinued classic 4.4 BSD curses. The > XSI Curses standard issued by X/Open is explicitly and closely modeled on > System V. > > Most ncurses calls can be easily ported to the old curses. System V curses > implementations can support BSD curses programs with just a recompilation. > However, a few areas are problematic, such as handling terminal resizing > (since no counterpart exists in the old curses). Other subtle differences > in call semantics can make porting an ncurses application to commercial > Unix somewhat difficult. > > Ncurses can use either terminfo (with extensible data), or termcap as > terminal database. > > Because most the binaries and libraries use same name with SVR4 curses, > we ship the binaries in /usr/gnu/bin and the libraries in > /usr/lib/libncurses. > > For more info, please refer to http://www.gnu.org/software/ncurses. > > 4.2. Interfaces: > Exported Interfaces > Interface Classification Comments > --------------- --------------- ----------------------- > /usr/bin/gcaptoinfo > /usr/bin/gclear > /usr/bin/ginfocmp > /usr/bin/ginfotocap > /usr/bin/greset > /usr/bin/gtack > /usr/bin/gtic > /usr/bin/gtoe > /usr/bin/gtput > /usr/bin/gtset > Volatile CLI binaries. > These are files with a 'g' > prefix. > Please see the man pages. > > /usr/gnu/bin/captoinfo > /usr/gnu/bin/clear > /usr/gnu/bin/infocmp > /usr/gnu/bin/infotocap > /usr/gnu/bin/reset > /usr/gnu/bin/tack > /usr/gnu/bin/tic > /usr/gnu/bin/toe > /usr/gnu/bin/tput > /usr/gnu/bin/tset > Volatile These are links to binaries > in /usr/bin/ with a 'g' prefix > Please see the man pages. > /usr/bin/ncurses5-config > Volatile CLI binaries. > > /usr/lib/libgcurses.so > /usr/lib/libgform.so.5 > /usr/lib/libgmenu.so.5 > /usr/lib/libgncurses.so.5 > /usr/lib/libgpanel.so.5 > Volatile Supporting libraries > These are files with a 'g' prefix > > /usr/gnu/lib/libcurses.so > /usr/gnu/lib/libform.so.5 > /usr/gnu/lib/libmenu.so.5 > /usr/gnu/lib/libncurses.so.5 > /usr/gnu/lib/libpanel.so.5 > Volatile Supporting libraries > These are links to libraries > in /usr/lib/ with a 'g' prefix > > /usr/include/ncurses/ > Volatile Directory for Header files in > development package. > > SUNWncurses Uncommited ncurses packaging contains > binaries, libraries. > SUNWncurses-devel Uncommited ncurses packaging contains > headers and static > libraries > > Imported Interfaces > Interface Classification Comments > --------------- --------------- ----------------------- > libc Committed PSARC/1991/064 > libm Committed LSARC/1992/005 > > 4.3. Doc Impact: > > Man page provided > > 4.4. Packaging & Delivery: > SUNWncurses (base package) - Base package i.e binary, libraries > SUNWncurses-devel - Development packaging > > 4.5. Dependencies: > libc and libm. > > 4.6. I18N/L10N Impact: > > The JDS team and the G11N are working together to evaluation and > provide I18N/L10N support. > > 4.7 Security Impact: > None. > > 5. Reference Documents: > > [1] ncurses homepage > > http://www.gnu.org/software/ncurses/ > > [2] Relates ARC cases > > PSARC/1991/064 MT-Safe libc > LSARC/1992/005 Bundled libm packaging > > 6. Resources and Schedule > 6.4. Steering Committee requested information > 6.4.1. Consolidation C-team Name: > Desktop > 6.5. ARC review type: FastTrack > 6.6. 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On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Irene Huang wrote: > Hi, all > > I am sponsoring this case. The timeout is set to be 08/22/2008. > > Additional materials include pkgmap and manpages are available at: > Internally: > http://sac.eng/Archives/CaseLog/arc/LSARC/2008/524/materials/ > > Externally > http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/caselog/2008/524 > > Thanks > > --Irene > > On Fri, 2008-08-15 at 00:59 -0700, Shi-Ying Irene Huang wrote: >> Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.66 04/17/08 SMI >> This information is Copyright 2008 Sun Microsystems >> 1. Introduction >> 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: >> ncurses for OpenSolaris >> 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: >> Author: Rick Ju >> 1.3 Date of This Document: >> 15 August, 2008 >> 4. Technical Description >> 1. Introduction >> 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: >> >> ncurses 5.6 >> >> 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: >> >> Author: Rick Ju >> Sponser: Irene Huang >> >> 1.3. Date of This Document: >> >> 07/11/2008 >> >> 4. Technical Description: >> 4.1. Details: >> >> Ncurses is a programming library providing an API, allowing the programmer >> to write text user interfaces (textual blocky UI) in a terminal- >> independent manner. It's a toolkit for developing "GUI-like" apps which >> run under a terminal emulator. It also optimizes screen changes, in order >> to reduce the latency experienced when using remote shells. >> >> Ncurses is a free software emulation (clone) of System V Release 4.0 (SVR4) >> curses, an enhancement over the discontinued classic 4.4 BSD curses. The >> XSI Curses standard issued by X/Open is explicitly and closely modeled on >> System V. >> >> Most ncurses calls can be easily ported to the old curses. System V curses >> implementations can support BSD curses programs with just a recompilation. >> However, a few areas are problematic, such as handling terminal resizing >> (since no counterpart exists in the old curses). Other subtle differences >> in call semantics can make porting an ncurses application to commercial >> Unix somewhat difficult. >> >> Ncurses can use either terminfo (with extensible data), or termcap as >> terminal database. >> >> Because most the binaries and libraries use same name with SVR4 curses, >> we ship the binaries in /usr/gnu/bin and the libraries in >> /usr/lib/libncurses. >> >> For more info, please refer to http://www.gnu.org/software/ncurses. >> >> 4.2. Interfaces: >> Exported Interfaces >> Interface Classification Comments >> --------------- --------------- ----------------------- >> /usr/bin/gcaptoinfo >> /usr/bin/gclear >> /usr/bin/ginfocmp >> /usr/bin/ginfotocap >> /usr/bin/greset >> /usr/bin/gtack >> /usr/bin/gtic >> /usr/bin/gtoe >> /usr/bin/gtput >> /usr/bin/gtset >> Volatile CLI binaries. >> These are files with a 'g' >> prefix. >> Please see the man pages. >> >> /usr/gnu/bin/captoinfo >> /usr/gnu/bin/clear >> /usr/gnu/bin/infocmp >> /usr/gnu/bin/infotocap >> /usr/gnu/bin/reset >> /usr/gnu/bin/tack >> /usr/gnu/bin/tic >> /usr/gnu/bin/toe >> /usr/gnu/bin/tput >> /usr/gnu/bin/tset >> Volatile These are links to binaries >> in /usr/bin/ with a 'g' prefix >> Please see the man pages. >> /usr/bin/ncurses5-config >> Volatile CLI binaries. >> >> /usr/lib/libgcurses.so >> /usr/lib/libgform.so.5 >> /usr/lib/libgmenu.so.5 >> /usr/lib/libgncurses.so.5 >> /usr/lib/libgpanel.so.5 >> Volatile Supporting libraries >> These are files with a 'g' prefix >> >> /usr/gnu/lib/libcurses.so >> /usr/gnu/lib/libform.so.5 >> /usr/gnu/lib/libmenu.so.5 >> /usr/gnu/lib/libncurses.so.5 >> /usr/gnu/lib/libpanel.so.5 >> Volatile Supporting libraries >> These are links to libraries >> in /usr/lib/ with a 'g' prefix >> >> /usr/include/ncurses/ >> Volatile Directory for Header files in >> development package. >> >> SUNWncurses Uncommited ncurses packaging contains >> binaries, libraries. >> SUNWncurses-devel Uncommited ncurses packaging contains >> headers and static >> libraries >> >> Imported Interfaces >> Interface Classification Comments >> --------------- --------------- ----------------------- >> libc Committed PSARC/1991/064 >> libm Committed LSARC/1992/005 >> >> 4.3. Doc Impact: >> >> Man page provided >> >> 4.4. Packaging & Delivery: >> SUNWncurses (base package) - Base package i.e binary, libraries >> SUNWncurses-devel - Development packaging >> >> 4.5. Dependencies: >> libc and libm. >> >> 4.6. I18N/L10N Impact: >> >> The JDS team and the G11N are working together to evaluation and >> provide I18N/L10N support. >> >> 4.7 Security Impact: >> None. >> >> 5. Reference Documents: >> >> [1] ncurses homepage >> >> http://www.gnu.org/software/ncurses/ >> >> [2] Relates ARC cases >> >> PSARC/1991/064 MT-Safe libc >> LSARC/1992/005 Bundled libm packaging >> >> 6. Resources and Schedule >> 6.4. Steering Committee requested information >> 6.4.1. Consolidation C-team Name: >> Desktop >> 6.5. ARC review type: FastTrack >> 6.6. ARC Exposure: open >> > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-arc mailing list > opensolaris-arc@opensolaris.org > -- Andy http://blog.sartek.net From danek.duvall@sun.com Mon Aug 18 13:11:26 2008 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7IKBPoc007555 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:11:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m7IKBOAS022440 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:lsarc-ext@sun.com>; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:11:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K5T00I05C2Z3J00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:11:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm-sfbay-01.sfbay.sun.com ([129.145.155.118]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K5T00CRAC2ZSWC0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:11:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM (mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.229.4]) by dm-sfbay-01.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m7IKBMvA048546; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:11:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM (mumak [127.0.0.1]) by mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3) with ESMTP id m7IKCMb4021536; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:12:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dduvall@localhost) by mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3/Submit) id m7IKCMaC021535; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:12:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:12:22 -0700 From: Danek Duvall Subject: Re: ncurses for OpenSolaris [LSARC/2008/524 FastTrack timeout 08/22/2008] In-reply-to: <200808150759.m7F7xlgj026953@sac.sfbay.sun.com> To: rick.ju@sun.com Cc: lsarc-ext@sun.com Message-id: <20080818201222.GG11587@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200808150759.m7F7xlgj026953@sac.sfbay.sun.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-27) Status: RO Content-Length: 1671 Has any thought been given to replacing Solaris curses with ncurses? I believe that ncurses claims to be completely compatible with System V curses, and given that it's actually kept up-to-date, and is generally more featureful than Solaris curses, it would likely be a good move. On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 12:59:47AM -0700, Shi-Ying Irene Huang wrote: > /usr/lib/libgcurses.so > /usr/lib/libgform.so.5 > /usr/lib/libgmenu.so.5 > /usr/lib/libgncurses.so.5 > /usr/lib/libgpanel.so.5 > Volatile Supporting libraries > These are files with a 'g' prefix Are any of these names used by anyone, anywhere? Is there any value in shipping them? You are, however, missing the most important one -- /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5 -- which is what everyone is going to expect. > /usr/gnu/lib/libcurses.so > /usr/gnu/lib/libform.so.5 > /usr/gnu/lib/libmenu.so.5 > /usr/gnu/lib/libncurses.so.5 It's not clear this one is useful if it's shipped in /usr/lib. > /usr/gnu/lib/libpanel.so.5 > Volatile Supporting libraries > These are links to libraries > in /usr/lib/ with a 'g' prefix You didn't mention the terminfo database that comes with ncurses. I assume that you're not shipping it? Why are the wide-character versions of the libraries missing? Thanks, Danek From Stefan.Teleman@sun.com Mon Aug 18 13:26:56 2008 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7IKQtcm007804 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:26:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m7IKQnXu003617; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 04:26:52 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K5T00I01CSRSG00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:26:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.17.63]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K5T00C4YCSRT1E0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:26:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.7.251.110] (punchin-client-10-7-251-110.SFBay.Sun.COM [10.7.251.110]) by jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3) with ESMTP id m7IKQoTE003021; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:26:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:26:50 -0400 From: Stefan Teleman Subject: Re: ncurses for OpenSolaris [LSARC/2008/524 FastTrack timeout 08/22/2008] In-reply-to: <20080818201222.GG11587@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> To: Danek Duvall Cc: rick.ju@sun.com, lsarc-ext@sun.com Reply-to: Stefan Teleman Message-id: <48A9DB0A.7030602@Sun.COM> Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200808150759.m7F7xlgj026953@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <20080818201222.GG11587@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070802) Status: RO Content-Length: 1744 Danek Duvall wrote: > Has any thought been given to replacing Solaris curses with ncurses? I > believe that ncurses claims to be completely compatible with System V > curses, and given that it's actually kept up-to-date, and is generally more > featureful than Solaris curses, it would likely be a good move. > > > On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 12:59:47AM -0700, Shi-Ying Irene Huang wrote: > >> /usr/lib/libgcurses.so >> /usr/lib/libgform.so.5 >> /usr/lib/libgmenu.so.5 >> /usr/lib/libgncurses.so.5 >> /usr/lib/libgpanel.so.5 >> Volatile Supporting libraries >> These are files with a 'g' prefix > > Are any of these names used by anyone, anywhere? Is there any value in > shipping them? You are, however, missing the most important one -- > /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5 -- which is what everyone is going to expect. > >> /usr/gnu/lib/libcurses.so >> /usr/gnu/lib/libform.so.5 >> /usr/gnu/lib/libmenu.so.5 >> /usr/gnu/lib/libncurses.so.5 Questions: Is ncurses being compiled with wide char/UTF support ? If it is, the name of the libraries is usually set to libncursesw.so, libtinfow.so, libformw.so, etc. If it is not, wide char/UTF support will not be available. Also, terminfo support in ncurses is based on two mechanisms: 1. directory based ( ${prefix}/share/terminfo/* ) 2. Berkeley DB based (terminfo.db) The Berkeley DB based implementation is usually slower (and creates a dependency on Berkeley DB). --Stefan -- Stefan Teleman Sun Microsystems, Inc. Stefan.Teleman@Sun.COM From Alan.Coopersmith@sun.com Mon Aug 18 16:45:23 2008 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7INjMvF015275 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:45:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m7INjHXq008366 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:lsarc-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:45:21 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K5T00A07LZIWT00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:45:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.43.133]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K5T0067ZLZHMN40@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:45:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7INjHWe001619 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:45:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K5T00301LU58G00@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> (original mail from Alan.Coopersmith@Sun.COM) for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:45:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from almas.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.106.93]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K5T00EM8LZG06D0@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com>; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:45:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:45:16 -0700 From: Alan Coopersmith Subject: Re: ncurses for OpenSolaris [LSARC/2008/524 FastTrack timeout 08/22/2008] In-reply-to: <20080818201222.GG11587@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> Sender: Alan.Coopersmith@sun.com To: Danek Duvall Cc: Rick.Ju@sun.com, lsarc-ext@sun.com Message-id: <48AA098C.8090907@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.1 References: <200808150759.m7F7xlgj026953@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <20080818201222.GG11587@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071203) Status: RO Content-Length: 1707 Danek Duvall wrote: > Has any thought been given to replacing Solaris curses with ncurses? I > believe that ncurses claims to be completely compatible with System V > curses, and given that it's actually kept up-to-date, and is generally more > featureful than Solaris curses, it would likely be a good move. +1 At the least, are there any differences in these commands between the /usr/bin versions and the ncurses ones other than the library they link with? Is there any reason to have both versions or could the ncurses ones just replace the /usr/bin ones instead of getting awkward, only-on-Solaris g* names? >> /usr/bin/gcaptoinfo >> /usr/bin/gclear >> /usr/bin/ginfocmp >> /usr/bin/ginfotocap >> /usr/bin/greset >> /usr/bin/gtack >> /usr/bin/gtic >> /usr/bin/gtoe >> /usr/bin/gtput >> /usr/bin/gtset At least some of those proposed names violate the /usr/gnu/bin & /usr/bin/g* guidelines of only doing that for things that conflict with existing /usr/bin entries - as there is no /usr/bin/tack or /usr/bin/toe for example, those should not be forced into the gnu ghetto. > 6.4.1. Consolidation C-team Name: > Desktop This doesn't make sense to me - libncurses is explicitly not GUI software, and I would expect more consumers in SFW than in Desktop, so putting it in Desktop would be requiring more ARC contracts be signed (since you propose Volatile, which requires Contracts for out-of-consolidation usage). -- -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersmith@sun.com Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering From Rick.Ju@sun.com Tue Aug 19 01:13:04 2008 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7J8D32N002995 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:13:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m7J8D0LE018132 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:lsarc-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:13:02 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K5U009079HNA900@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:12:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sineb-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.19.6]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K5U0084E9HM6F20@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:12:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-apac-06.sun.com (fe-apac-06.sun.com [192.18.19.177] (may be forged)) by sineb-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7J8CvJP029049 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:12:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-apac.sun.com by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0K5U00B019EXE000@mail-apac.sun.com> (original mail from Rick.Ju@Sun.COM) for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:12:57 +0800 (SGT) Received: from [129.158.144.90] by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0K5U00F4E9HKR1NS@mail-apac.sun.com>; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:12:57 +0800 (SGT) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:15:56 +0800 From: Rick Ju Subject: Re: ncurses for OpenSolaris [LSARC/2008/524 FastTrack timeout 08/22/2008] In-reply-to: <20080818201222.GG11587@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> Sender: Rick.Ju@sun.com To: Danek Duvall Cc: lsarc-ext@sun.com Message-id: <48AA813C.9080400@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200808150759.m7F7xlgj026953@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <20080818201222.GG11587@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071009) Status: RO Content-Length: 2827 >>> Has any thought been given to replacing Solaris curses with ncurses? I believe that ncurses claims to be completely compatible with System V curses, and given that it's actually kept up-to-date, and is generally more featureful than Solaris curses, it would likely be a good move. Ncurses is only source compatible with curses. I checked the PSAC and didn't find who owns curses. Who could give a contact? If curses is committed interface could we still replace it? >>> Are any of these names used by anyone, anywhere? Is there any value in shipping them? You are, however, missing the most important one -- /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5 -- which is what everyone is going to expect. >>> It's not clear this one is useful if it's shipped in /usr/lib. Because the conflict between ncurses and curses, we put a "g" prefix in front of the command names and install them in /usr/bin and then have a link to the command in /usr/gnu/bin without the "g" prefix. This is what we usually do when shipping name-conflicting GNU utilities. Danek Duvall wrote: > Has any thought been given to replacing Solaris curses with ncurses? I > believe that ncurses claims to be completely compatible with System V > curses, and given that it's actually kept up-to-date, and is generally more > featureful than Solaris curses, it would likely be a good move. > > > On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 12:59:47AM -0700, Shi-Ying Irene Huang wrote: > > >> /usr/lib/libgcurses.so >> /usr/lib/libgform.so.5 >> /usr/lib/libgmenu.so.5 >> /usr/lib/libgncurses.so.5 >> /usr/lib/libgpanel.so.5 >> Volatile Supporting libraries >> These are files with a 'g' prefix >> > > Are any of these names used by anyone, anywhere? Is there any value in > shipping them? You are, however, missing the most important one -- > /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5 -- which is what everyone is going to expect. > > >> /usr/gnu/lib/libcurses.so >> /usr/gnu/lib/libform.so.5 >> /usr/gnu/lib/libmenu.so.5 >> /usr/gnu/lib/libncurses.so.5 >> > > It's not clear this one is useful if it's shipped in /usr/lib. > > >> /usr/gnu/lib/libpanel.so.5 >> Volatile Supporting libraries >> These are links to libraries >> in /usr/lib/ with a 'g' prefix >> > > You didn't mention the terminfo database that comes with ncurses. I assume > that you're not shipping it? > > Why are the wide-character versions of the libraries missing? > > Thanks, > Danek > From Rick.Ju@sun.com Tue Aug 19 01:13:12 2008 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7J8DBm4003012 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:13:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m7J8D0LY018132 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:lsarc-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:13:10 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K5U0090P9HUAB00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:13:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sineb-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.19.6]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K5U0081P9HT6B20@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:13:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-apac-05.sun.com (fe-apac-05.sun.com [192.18.19.176] (may be forged)) by sineb-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7J8D4hx029061 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:13:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-apac.sun.com by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0K5U00K019EVU400@mail-apac.sun.com> (original mail from Rick.Ju@Sun.COM) for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:13:04 +0800 (SGT) Received: from [129.158.144.90] by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0K5U00MVM9HR9U5W@mail-apac.sun.com>; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:13:04 +0800 (SGT) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:16:10 +0800 From: Rick Ju Subject: Re: ncurses for OpenSolaris [LSARC/2008/524 FastTrack timeout 08/22/2008] In-reply-to: <48AA098C.8090907@sun.com> Sender: Rick.Ju@sun.com To: Alan Coopersmith Cc: Danek Duvall , lsarc-ext@sun.com Message-id: <48AA814A.6010205@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200808150759.m7F7xlgj026953@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <20080818201222.GG11587@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> <48AA098C.8090907@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071009) Status: RO Content-Length: 2570 >>>> At least some of those proposed names violate the /usr/gnu/bin & /usr/bin/g* guidelines of only doing that for things that conflict with existing /usr/bin entries - as there is no /usr/bin/tack or /usr/bin/toe for example, those should not be forced into the gnu ghetto. Yes. There is no name conflict issue for "/usr/bin/tack" and "/usr/bin/toe". Maybe it is more ugly to put a "g' prefix only for some of the binaries instead of all of them? Maybe you are right anyway. >>>> This doesn't make sense to me - libncurses is explicitly not GUI software, and I would expect more consumers in SFW than in Desktop, so putting it in Desktop would be requiring more ARC contracts be signed (since you propose Volatile, which requires Contracts for out-of-consolidation usage). Yes. Using uncommitted should make more sense since it is quite stable. Alan Coopersmith wrote: > Danek Duvall wrote: > >> Has any thought been given to replacing Solaris curses with ncurses? I >> believe that ncurses claims to be completely compatible with System V >> curses, and given that it's actually kept up-to-date, and is generally more >> featureful than Solaris curses, it would likely be a good move. >> > > +1 > > At the least, are there any differences in these commands between the /usr/bin > versions and the ncurses ones other than the library they link with? Is there > any reason to have both versions or could the ncurses ones just replace the > /usr/bin ones instead of getting awkward, only-on-Solaris g* names? > > >>> /usr/bin/gcaptoinfo >>> /usr/bin/gclear >>> /usr/bin/ginfocmp >>> /usr/bin/ginfotocap >>> /usr/bin/greset >>> /usr/bin/gtack >>> /usr/bin/gtic >>> /usr/bin/gtoe >>> /usr/bin/gtput >>> /usr/bin/gtset >>> > > At least some of those proposed names violate the /usr/gnu/bin & /usr/bin/g* > guidelines of only doing that for things that conflict with existing /usr/bin > entries - as there is no /usr/bin/tack or /usr/bin/toe for example, those > should not be forced into the gnu ghetto. > > >> 6.4.1. Consolidation C-team Name: >> Desktop >> > > This doesn't make sense to me - libncurses is explicitly not GUI software, > and I would expect more consumers in SFW than in Desktop, so putting it in > Desktop would be requiring more ARC contracts be signed (since you propose > Volatile, which requires Contracts for out-of-consolidation usage). > > From Rick.Ju@sun.com Tue Aug 19 01:13:14 2008 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7J8DEPC003016 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:13:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m7J8D7A5058983 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:lsarc-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 02:13:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K5U00D0B9I0XI00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:13:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sineb-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.19.7]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K5U008L59HZGKA0@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:13:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-apac-05.sun.com (fe-apac-05.sun.com [192.18.19.176] (may be forged)) by sineb-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7J8DAUu014946 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:13:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-apac.sun.com by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0K5U00K019EVU400@mail-apac.sun.com> (original mail from Rick.Ju@Sun.COM) for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:13:10 +0800 (SGT) Received: from [129.158.144.90] by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0K5U00MW89HX9U5W@mail-apac.sun.com>; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:13:10 +0800 (SGT) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:16:16 +0800 From: Rick Ju Subject: Re: ncurses for OpenSolaris [LSARC/2008/524 FastTrack timeout 08/22/2008] In-reply-to: <48A9DB0A.7030602@Sun.COM> Sender: Rick.Ju@sun.com To: Stefan Teleman Cc: Danek Duvall , lsarc-ext@sun.com Message-id: <48AA8150.50700@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200808150759.m7F7xlgj026953@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <20080818201222.GG11587@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> <48A9DB0A.7030602@Sun.COM> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071009) Status: RO Content-Length: 1831 I will check this. Most likely we could support wide character. Stefan Teleman wrote: > > > Danek Duvall wrote: >> Has any thought been given to replacing Solaris curses with ncurses? I >> believe that ncurses claims to be completely compatible with System V >> curses, and given that it's actually kept up-to-date, and is >> generally more >> featureful than Solaris curses, it would likely be a good move. >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 12:59:47AM -0700, Shi-Ying Irene Huang wrote: >> >>> /usr/lib/libgcurses.so >>> /usr/lib/libgform.so.5 >>> /usr/lib/libgmenu.so.5 >>> /usr/lib/libgncurses.so.5 >>> /usr/lib/libgpanel.so.5 >>> Volatile Supporting >>> libraries >>> These are files with a 'g' prefix >> >> Are any of these names used by anyone, anywhere? Is there any value in >> shipping them? You are, however, missing the most important one -- >> /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5 -- which is what everyone is going to expect. >> >>> /usr/gnu/lib/libcurses.so >>> /usr/gnu/lib/libform.so.5 >>> /usr/gnu/lib/libmenu.so.5 >>> /usr/gnu/lib/libncurses.so.5 > > Questions: > > Is ncurses being compiled with wide char/UTF support ? > > If it is, the name of the libraries is usually set to libncursesw.so, > libtinfow.so, libformw.so, etc. > > If it is not, wide char/UTF support will not be available. > > Also, terminfo support in ncurses is based on two mechanisms: > > 1. directory based ( ${prefix}/share/terminfo/* ) > 2. Berkeley DB based (terminfo.db) > > The Berkeley DB based implementation is usually slower (and creates a > dependency on Berkeley DB). > > --Stefan > From carlsonj@phorcys.east.sun.com Tue Aug 19 04:02:53 2008 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7JB2rVK006870 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 04:02:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m7JB2oIg018063; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 04:02:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K5U00H03HCP9L00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 04:02:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com ([129.148.174.143]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K5U008KZHCO6DA0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 04:02:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3) with ESMTP id m7JB2m0N022602; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:02:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from carlsonj@localhost) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3/Submit) id m7JB2m22022599; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:02:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:02:48 -0400 From: James Carlson Subject: Re: ncurses for OpenSolaris [LSARC/2008/524 FastTrack timeout 08/22/2008] In-reply-to: <48AA098C.8090907@sun.com> To: Alan Coopersmith Cc: Danek Duvall , Rick.Ju@sun.com, lsarc-ext@sun.com Message-id: <18602.43096.104211.877554@gargle.gargle.HOWL> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VM 7.01 under Emacs 21.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200808150759.m7F7xlgj026953@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <20080818201222.GG11587@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> <48AA098C.8090907@sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 1204 Alan Coopersmith writes: > >> /usr/bin/gcaptoinfo > >> /usr/bin/gclear > >> /usr/bin/ginfocmp > >> /usr/bin/ginfotocap > >> /usr/bin/greset > >> /usr/bin/gtack > >> /usr/bin/gtic > >> /usr/bin/gtoe > >> /usr/bin/gtput > >> /usr/bin/gtset > > At least some of those proposed names violate the /usr/gnu/bin & /usr/bin/g* > guidelines of only doing that for things that conflict with existing /usr/bin > entries - as there is no /usr/bin/tack or /usr/bin/toe for example, those > should not be forced into the gnu ghetto. I don't have a good answer for this one (except perhaps nuking the old Solaris curses), but I think having /usr/bin/tack coming from one curses-like implementation and /usr/bin/infocmp coming from a completely different one would be quite confusing. Mixing them can't be the right answer, can it? -- James Carlson, Solaris Networking Sun Microsystems / 35 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677 From danek.duvall@sun.com Tue Aug 19 09:08:16 2008 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7JG8F8b013618 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:08:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m7JG8EsH012137 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:lsarc-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:08:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K5U0060VVHO7200@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:08:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm-sfbay-02.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.11.31]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K5U00516VHMTS10@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:08:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM (mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.229.4]) by dm-sfbay-02.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m7JG88XQ020473; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:08:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM (mumak [127.0.0.1]) by mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3) with ESMTP id m7JG98jM001619; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:09:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dduvall@localhost) by mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3/Submit) id m7JG98Uh001618; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:09:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:09:08 -0700 From: Danek Duvall Subject: Re: ncurses for OpenSolaris [LSARC/2008/524 FastTrack timeout 08/22/2008] In-reply-to: <48AA813C.9080400@sun.com> To: Rick Ju Cc: lsarc-ext@sun.com Message-id: <20080819160908.GO11587@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200808150759.m7F7xlgj026953@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <20080818201222.GG11587@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> <48AA813C.9080400@sun.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-27) Status: RO Content-Length: 1405 On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 04:15:56PM +0800, Rick Ju wrote: >>>> Has any thought been given to replacing Solaris curses with ncurses? I > believe that ncurses claims to be completely compatible with System V > curses, and given that it's actually kept up-to-date, and is generally more > featureful than Solaris curses, it would likely be a good move. > > Ncurses is only source compatible with curses. I checked the PSAC and > didn't find who owns curses. Who could give a contact? If curses is > committed interface could we still replace it? It's one of the unowned pieces, which is one reason that getting rid of it is appealing. I'll see if I can dig up the right person or alias. >>>> Are any of these names used by anyone, anywhere? Is there any value in > shipping them? You are, however, missing the most important one -- > /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5 -- which is what everyone is going to expect. > >>>> It's not clear this one is useful if it's shipped in /usr/lib. > > Because the conflict between ncurses and curses, we put a "g" prefix in > front of the command names > and install them in /usr/bin and then have a link to the command in > /usr/gnu/bin without the "g" prefix. This is what we usually do when > shipping name-conflicting GNU utilities. I was talking about the library, not the commands. We don't prefix libraries whose names don't conflict with anything else. Danek From Irene.Huang@sun.com Tue Aug 19 18:03:36 2008 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7K13Zco023947 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:03:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m7K13MGj019405 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:lsarc-ext@sun.com>; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:03:34 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K5V00805K9YA900@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:03:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sineb-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.19.6]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K5V00JSVK9XSW70@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:03:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fe-apac-06.sun.com (fe-apac-06.sun.com [192.18.19.177] (may be forged)) by sineb-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7K13WDb028977 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 01:03:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-apac.sun.com by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0K5V00C01K581900@mail-apac.sun.com> (original mail from Irene.Huang@Sun.COM) for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:03:32 +0800 (SGT) Received: from [129.158.146.240] by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0K5V00FJPK9VQY4O@mail-apac.sun.com>; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:03:32 +0800 (SGT) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:03:29 +0800 From: Irene Huang Subject: Re: ncurses for OpenSolaris [LSARC/2008/524 FastTrack timeout 08/22/2008] In-reply-to: <20080819160908.GO11587@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> Sender: Irene.Huang@sun.com To: Danek Duvall Cc: Rick Ju , lsarc-ext@sun.com Message-id: <48AB6D61.2040205@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200808150759.m7F7xlgj026953@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <20080818201222.GG11587@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> <48AA813C.9080400@sun.com> <20080819160908.GO11587@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) Status: RO Content-Length: 1791 According to today's LSARC meeting, I think it would be better to set this case to "waiting need spec" until there's any conclusion from an internal discussion with the libcurses guys. Rick will give updates when necessary. Thanks --Irene Danek Duvall wrote: > On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 04:15:56PM +0800, Rick Ju wrote: > > >>>>> Has any thought been given to replacing Solaris curses with ncurses? I >>>>> >> believe that ncurses claims to be completely compatible with System V >> curses, and given that it's actually kept up-to-date, and is generally more >> featureful than Solaris curses, it would likely be a good move. >> >> Ncurses is only source compatible with curses. I checked the PSAC and >> didn't find who owns curses. Who could give a contact? If curses is >> committed interface could we still replace it? >> > > It's one of the unowned pieces, which is one reason that getting rid of it > is appealing. I'll see if I can dig up the right person or alias. > > >>>>> Are any of these names used by anyone, anywhere? Is there any value in >>>>> >> shipping them? You are, however, missing the most important one -- >> /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5 -- which is what everyone is going to expect. >> >> >>>>> It's not clear this one is useful if it's shipped in /usr/lib. >>>>> >> Because the conflict between ncurses and curses, we put a "g" prefix in >> front of the command names >> and install them in /usr/bin and then have a link to the command in >> /usr/gnu/bin without the "g" prefix. This is what we usually do when >> shipping name-conflicting GNU utilities. >> > > I was talking about the library, not the commands. We don't prefix > libraries whose names don't conflict with anything else. > > Danek > From Rick.Ju@sun.com Wed Aug 20 23:53:17 2008 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7L6rHtR028366 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 23:53:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m7L6r5c8001190 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:lsarc-ext@sun.com>; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 07:53:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K5X00K0BV4Q8L00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Wed, 20 Aug 2008 23:53:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sineb-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.19.6]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K5X00E33V4P7B80@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Wed, 20 Aug 2008 23:53:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-apac-06.sun.com (fe-apac-06.sun.com [192.18.19.177] (may be forged)) by sineb-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7L6rCZp025521 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 06:53:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-apac.sun.com by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0K5X00G01V15V200@mail-apac.sun.com> (original mail from Rick.Ju@Sun.COM) for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:53:12 +0800 (SGT) Received: from [129.158.144.90] by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0K5X009RYV4N8GVX@mail-apac.sun.com>; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:53:12 +0800 (SGT) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:56:32 +0800 From: Rick Ju Subject: Re: ncurses for OpenSolaris [LSARC/2008/524 FastTrack timeout 08/22/2008] In-reply-to: <48AB6D61.2040205@sun.com> Sender: Rick.Ju@sun.com To: Irene Huang Cc: Danek Duvall , lsarc-ext@sun.com Message-id: <48AD11A0.9020200@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_SZKNcPC3ZcJ//rFCsx8IhA)" X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200808150759.m7F7xlgj026953@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <20080818201222.GG11587@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> <48AA813C.9080400@sun.com> <20080819160908.GO11587@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> <48AB6D61.2040205@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071009) Status: RO Content-Length: 6274 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_SZKNcPC3ZcJ//rFCsx8IhA) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Please review new version one pager for ncurses. -rick --Boundary_(ID_SZKNcPC3ZcJ//rFCsx8IhA) Content-type: text/plain; name=ncurses-proposal.txt Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline; filename=ncurses-proposal.txt 1. Introduction 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: ncurses 5.6 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: Author: Rick Ju Sponser: Irene Huang 1.3. Date of This Document: 07/11/2008 4. Technical Description: 4.1. Details: Ncurses is a programming library providing an API, allowing the programmer to write text user interfaces (textual blocky UI) in a terminal- independent manner. It's a toolkit for developing "GUI-like" apps which run under a terminal emulator. It also optimizes screen changes, in order to reduce the latency experienced when using remote shells. Ncurses is a free software emulation (clone) of System V Release 4.0 (SVR4) curses, an enhancement over the discontinued classic 4.4 BSD curses. The XSI Curses standard issued by X/Open is explicitly and closely modeled on System V. Most ncurses calls can be easily ported to the old curses. System V curses implementations can support BSD curses programs with just a recompilation. However, a few areas are problematic, such as handling terminal resizing (since no counterpart exists in the old curses). Other subtle differences in call semantics can make porting an ncurses application to commercial Unix somewhat difficult. Ncurses can use either terminfo (with extensible data), or termcap as terminal database. Because most the binaries and libraries use same name with SVR4 curses, we ship the binaries in /usr/gnu/bin and the libraries in /usr/lib/libncurses. For more info, please refer to http://www.gnu.org/software/ncurses. 4.2. Interfaces: Exported Interfaces Interface Classification Comments --------------- --------------- ----------------------- /usr/bin/gcaptoinfo /usr/bin/gclear /usr/bin/ginfocmp /usr/bin/ginfotocap /usr/bin/greset /usr/bin/gtack /usr/bin/gtic /usr/bin/gtoe /usr/bin/gtput /usr/bin/gtset Uncommitted CLI binaries. These are files with a 'g' prefix. Please see the man pages. /usr/gnu/bin/captoinfo /usr/gnu/bin/clear /usr/gnu/bin/infocmp /usr/gnu/bin/infotocap /usr/gnu/bin/reset /usr/gnu/bin/tack /usr/gnu/bin/tic /usr/gnu/bin/toe /usr/gnu/bin/tput /usr/gnu/bin/tset Uncommitted These are links to binaries in /usr/bin/ with a 'g' prefix Please see the man pages. /usr/gnu/bin/ncurses5-config Uncommitted CLI binaries. /usr/gnu/lib/libformw.so.5 /usr/gnu/lib/libmenuw.so.5 /usr/gnu/lib/libncursesw.so.5 /usr/gnu/lib/libpanelw.so.5 Uncommitted Supporting libraries /usr/include/ncurses/curses.h /usr/include/ncurses/cursesapp.h /usr/include/ncurses/cursesf.h /usr/include/ncurses/cursesm.h /usr/include/ncurses/cursesp.h /usr/include/ncurses/cursesw.h /usr/include/ncurses/cursslk.h /usr/include/ncurses/eti.h /usr/include/ncurses/etip.h /usr/include/ncurses/form.h /usr/include/ncurses/menu.h /usr/include/ncurses/ncurses.h /usr/include/ncurses/ncurses_dll.h /usr/include/ncurses/panel.h /usr/include/ncurses/term.h /usr/include/ncurses/termcap.h /usr/include/ncurses/unctrl.h Uncommited Header files in development package. SUNWncurses Uncommited ncurses packaging contains binaries, libraries. SUNWncurses-devel Uncommited ncurses packaging contains headers and static libraries Imported Interfaces Interface Classification Comments --------------- --------------- ----------------------- libc Committed PSARC/1991/064 libm Committed LSARC/1992/005 4.3. Doc Impact: Man page is needed. 4.4. Packaging & Delivery: SUNWncurses (base package) - Base package i.e binary, libraries SUNWncurses-devel - Development packaging 4.5. Dependencies: libc and libm. 4.6. I18N/L10N Impact: The JDS team and the G11N are working together to evaluation and provide I18N/L10N support. 4.7 Security Impact: None. 5. Reference Documents: [1] ncurses homepage http://www.gnu.org/software/ncurses/ [2] Relates ARC cases PSARC/1991/064 MT-Safe libc LSARC/1992/005 Bundled libm packaging --Boundary_(ID_SZKNcPC3ZcJ//rFCsx8IhA)-- From Brian.Cameron@Sun.COM Thu Aug 21 01:28:10 2008 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7L8S9WY001123 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 01:28:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m7L8S8SY001872 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:lsarc-ext@sun.com>; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:28:08 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K5X0080BZIV0W00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Thu, 21 Aug 2008 02:28:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.98.31]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K5X00JGEZIVTL60@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Thu, 21 Aug 2008 02:28:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7L8S6r2020869 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 08:28:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K5X00H01ZGYB900@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Brian.Cameron@Sun.COM) for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Thu, 21 Aug 2008 02:28:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.0.0.135] ([66.191.58.215]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K5X00JWLZITD580@mail-amer.sun.com>; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 02:28:06 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 03:28:15 -0500 From: Brian Cameron Subject: Re: ncurses for OpenSolaris [LSARC/2008/524 FastTrack timeout 08/22/2008] In-reply-to: <48AD11A0.9020200@sun.com> Sender: Brian.Cameron@Sun.COM To: Rick Ju Cc: Irene Huang , Danek Duvall , lsarc-ext@Sun.COM Message-id: <48AD271F.8000100@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200808150759.m7F7xlgj026953@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <20080818201222.GG11587@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> <48AA813C.9080400@sun.com> <20080819160908.GO11587@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> <48AB6D61.2040205@sun.com> <48AD11A0.9020200@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080731) Status: RO Content-Length: 922 Rick: You define ncurses to be "Uncommitted", so I assume the interfaces are all very stable. For example, none of the specified binaries or header files would ever be removed in a future release of ncurses. Ncurses is a programming library providing an API, allowing the programmer I'd say "providing an API which allows the programmer" It also optimizes screen changes, in order to reduce the latency experienced when using remote shells. Remove the comma before "in order". implementations can support BSD curses programs with just a recompilation. I'd say "can support BSD curses programs after being recompiled." The JDS team and the G11N are working together to evaluation Change "evaluation" to "evaluate". [2] Relates ARC cases I'd say "Related ARC cases" - Are PSARC 1996/219 and PSARC 1999/326 related ARC cases? Also what about PSARC 1994/420 From Alan.Coopersmith@Sun.COM Thu Aug 21 07:46:41 2008 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7LEkfUi010296 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 07:46:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m7LEkfoj060869 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:lsarc-ext@sun.com>; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 08:46:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K5Y00C0RH1PA500@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Thu, 21 Aug 2008 08:46:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.43.132]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K5Y0017DH1O2EA0@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Thu, 21 Aug 2008 08:46:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7LEkacv010163 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 07:46:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K5Y00501GYPJG00@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> (original mail from Alan.Coopersmith@Sun.COM) for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Thu, 21 Aug 2008 07:46:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.6.102.118] by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K5Y003GMH1J40E0@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com>; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 07:46:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 07:46:31 -0700 From: Alan Coopersmith Subject: Re: ncurses for OpenSolaris [LSARC/2008/524 FastTrack timeout 08/22/2008] In-reply-to: <48AD11A0.9020200@sun.com> Sender: Alan.Coopersmith@Sun.COM To: Rick Ju Cc: Irene Huang , Danek Duvall , lsarc-ext@Sun.COM Message-id: <48AD7FC7.7000902@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.1 References: <200808150759.m7F7xlgj026953@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <20080818201222.GG11587@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> <48AA813C.9080400@sun.com> <20080819160908.GO11587@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> <48AB6D61.2040205@sun.com> <48AD11A0.9020200@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071119) Status: RO Content-Length: 281 Rick Ju wrote: > Please review new version one pager for ncurses. You seem to have lost libncurses.so completely, which would be the most crucial part of the case. -- -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersmith@sun.com Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering From Rick.Ju@Sun.COM Sun Aug 24 22:55:42 2008 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7P5tfgU023368 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:55:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m7P5tdei001562 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:lsarc-ext@sun.com>; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 06:55:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K6500G0574RBN00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:55:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sineb-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.19.7]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K6500DST74Q3Y30@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:55:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-apac-06.sun.com (fe-apac-06.sun.com [192.18.19.177] (may be forged)) by sineb-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7P5tbbE027418 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 05:55:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-apac.sun.com by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0K6500501708FB00@mail-apac.sun.com> (original mail from Rick.Ju@Sun.COM) for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:55:37 +0800 (SGT) Received: from [129.158.144.90] by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0K65009NA74O8F73@mail-apac.sun.com>; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:55:37 +0800 (SGT) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:59:24 +0800 From: Rick Ju Subject: Re: ncurses for OpenSolaris [LSARC/2008/524 FastTrack timeout 08/22/2008] In-reply-to: <48AD271F.8000100@sun.com> Sender: Rick.Ju@Sun.COM To: Brian Cameron Cc: Irene Huang , Danek Duvall , lsarc-ext@Sun.COM Message-id: <48B24A3C.6010704@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Pa3KeMNlIEOh48GdZJcQdA)" X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200808150759.m7F7xlgj026953@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <20080818201222.GG11587@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> <48AA813C.9080400@sun.com> <20080819160908.GO11587@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> <48AB6D61.2040205@sun.com> <48AD11A0.9020200@sun.com> <48AD271F.8000100@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071009) Status: RO Content-Length: 7264 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_Pa3KeMNlIEOh48GdZJcQdA) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi, Updated to fix the issues Brian found. Thanks. -rick Brian Cameron wrote: > > Rick: > > You define ncurses to be "Uncommitted", so I assume the interfaces > are all very stable. For example, none of the specified binaries or > header files would ever be removed in a future release of ncurses. > > Ncurses is a programming library providing an API, allowing the > programmer > > I'd say "providing an API which allows the programmer" > > It also optimizes screen changes, in order > to reduce the latency experienced when using remote shells. > > Remove the comma before "in order". > > implementations can support BSD curses programs with just a > recompilation. > > I'd say "can support BSD curses programs after being recompiled." > > The JDS team and the G11N are working together to evaluation > > Change "evaluation" to "evaluate". > > [2] Relates ARC cases > > I'd say "Related ARC cases" > > - Are PSARC 1996/219 and PSARC 1999/326 related ARC cases? > Also what about PSARC 1994/420 --Boundary_(ID_Pa3KeMNlIEOh48GdZJcQdA) Content-type: text/plain; name=ncurses-proposal.txt Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline; filename=ncurses-proposal.txt 1. Introduction 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: ncurses 5.6 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: Author: Rick Ju Sponser: Irene Huang 1.3. Date of This Document: 07/11/2008 4. Technical Description: 4.1. Details: Ncurses is a programming library providing an API, allowing the programmer to write text user interfaces (textual blocky UI) in a terminal- independent manner. It's a toolkit for developing "GUI-like" apps which run under a terminal emulator. It also optimizes screen changes, in order to reduce the latency experienced when using remote shells. Ncurses is a free software emulation (clone) of System V Release 4.0 (SVR4) curses, an enhancement over the discontinued classic 4.4 BSD curses. The XSI Curses standard issued by X/Open is explicitly and closely modeled on System V. Most ncurses calls can be easily ported to the old curses. System V curses implementations can support BSD curses programs with just a recompilation. However, a few areas are problematic, such as handling terminal resizing (since no counterpart exists in the old curses). Other subtle differences in call semantics can make porting an ncurses application to commercial Unix somewhat difficult. Ncurses can use either terminfo (with extensible data), or termcap as terminal database. Because most the binaries and libraries use same name with SVR4 curses, we ship the binaries in /usr/gnu/bin and the libraries in /usr/lib/libncurses. For more info, please refer to http://www.gnu.org/software/ncurses. 4.2. Interfaces: Exported Interfaces Interface Classification Comments --------------- --------------- ----------------------- /usr/bin/gcaptoinfo /usr/bin/gclear /usr/bin/ginfocmp /usr/bin/ginfotocap /usr/bin/greset /usr/bin/gtack /usr/bin/gtic /usr/bin/gtoe /usr/bin/gtput /usr/bin/gtset Uncommitted CLI binaries. These are files with a 'g' prefix. Please see the man pages. /usr/gnu/bin/captoinfo /usr/gnu/bin/clear /usr/gnu/bin/infocmp /usr/gnu/bin/infotocap /usr/gnu/bin/reset /usr/gnu/bin/tack /usr/gnu/bin/tic /usr/gnu/bin/toe /usr/gnu/bin/tput /usr/gnu/bin/tset Uncommitted These are links to binaries in /usr/bin/ with a 'g' prefix Please see the man pages. /usr/gnu/bin/ncurses5-config Uncommitted CLI binaries. /usr/gnu/lib/libformw.so.5 /usr/gnu/lib/libmenuw.so.5 /usr/gnu/lib/libncursesw.so.5 /usr/gnu/lib/libpanelw.so.5 Uncommitted Supporting libraries /usr/include/ncurses/curses.h /usr/include/ncurses/cursesapp.h /usr/include/ncurses/cursesf.h /usr/include/ncurses/cursesm.h /usr/include/ncurses/cursesp.h /usr/include/ncurses/cursesw.h /usr/include/ncurses/cursslk.h /usr/include/ncurses/eti.h /usr/include/ncurses/etip.h /usr/include/ncurses/form.h /usr/include/ncurses/menu.h /usr/include/ncurses/ncurses.h /usr/include/ncurses/ncurses_dll.h /usr/include/ncurses/panel.h /usr/include/ncurses/term.h /usr/include/ncurses/termcap.h /usr/include/ncurses/unctrl.h Uncommited Header files in development package. SUNWncurses Uncommited ncurses packaging contains binaries, libraries. SUNWncurses-devel Uncommited ncurses packaging contains headers and static libraries Imported Interfaces Interface Classification Comments --------------- --------------- ----------------------- libc Committed PSARC/1991/064 libm Committed LSARC/1992/005 4.3. Doc Impact: Man page is needed. 4.4. Packaging & Delivery: SUNWncurses (base package) - Base package i.e binary, libraries SUNWncurses-devel - Development packaging 4.5. Dependencies: libc and libm. 4.6. I18N/L10N Impact: The JDS team and the G11N are working together to evaluation and provide I18N/L10N support. 4.7 Security Impact: None. 5. Reference Documents: [1] ncurses homepage http://www.gnu.org/software/ncurses/ [2] Relates ARC cases PSARC/1991/064 MT-Safe libc LSARC/1992/005 Bundled libm packaging --Boundary_(ID_Pa3KeMNlIEOh48GdZJcQdA)-- From Rick.Ju@sun.com Sun Aug 24 23:07:49 2008 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7P67mP7023486 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:07:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m7P67ZOr018540 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:lsarc-ext@sun.com>; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:07:47 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K65004037OVD800@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:07:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sineb-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.19.7]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K65000P87OUQM40@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:07:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-apac-05.sun.com (fe-apac-05.sun.com [192.18.19.176] (may be forged)) by sineb-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7P67gTI028496 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 06:07:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-apac.sun.com by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0K65004017N75J00@mail-apac.sun.com> (original mail from Rick.Ju@Sun.COM) for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:07:42 +0800 (SGT) Received: from [129.158.144.90] by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0K6500MO17OS9UV5@mail-apac.sun.com> for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:07:41 +0800 (SGT) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:11:29 +0800 From: Rick Ju Subject: Re: ncurses for OpenSolaris [LSARC/2008/524 FastTrack timeout 08/22/2008] In-reply-to: <48AD7FC7.7000902@sun.com> Sender: Rick.Ju@sun.com To: Alan Coopersmith Cc: Irene Huang , lsarc-ext@sun.com Message-id: <48B24D11.3060406@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200808150759.m7F7xlgj026953@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <20080818201222.GG11587@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> <48AA813C.9080400@sun.com> <20080819160908.GO11587@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> <48AB6D61.2040205@sun.com> <48AD11A0.9020200@sun.com> <48AD7FC7.7000902@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071009) Status: RO Content-Length: 301 With wide char supported, there is only libncursesw.so instead of libncurses.so. Alan Coopersmith wrote: > Rick Ju wrote: > >> Please review new version one pager for ncurses. >> > > You seem to have lost libncurses.so completely, which would be > the most crucial part of the case. > > From danek.duvall@sun.com Sun Aug 24 23:23:43 2008 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7P6Ng33024215 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:23:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m7P6NYCR009446 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:lsarc-ext@sun.com>; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:23:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K6500H038FFMV00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:23:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm-sfbay-02.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.11.31]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K6500DYM8FF4140@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:23:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM (mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.229.4]) by dm-sfbay-02.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m7P6NcVr019870; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:23:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM (mumak [127.0.0.1]) by mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3) with ESMTP id m7P6OdvX008966; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:24:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dduvall@localhost) by mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3/Submit) id m7P6OdjC008965; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:24:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:24:39 -0700 From: Danek Duvall Subject: Re: ncurses for OpenSolaris [LSARC/2008/524 FastTrack timeout 08/22/2008] In-reply-to: <48B24D11.3060406@sun.com> To: Rick Ju Cc: Alan Coopersmith , Irene Huang , lsarc-ext@sun.com Message-id: <20080825062439.GV15226@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200808150759.m7F7xlgj026953@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <20080818201222.GG11587@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> <48AA813C.9080400@sun.com> <20080819160908.GO11587@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> <48AB6D61.2040205@sun.com> <48AD11A0.9020200@sun.com> <48AD7FC7.7000902@sun.com> <48B24D11.3060406@sun.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-27) Status: RO Content-Length: 982 On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 02:11:29PM +0800, Rick Ju wrote: > With wide char supported, there is only libncursesw.so instead of > libncurses.so. I think the intent was that you'd deliver both libraries. However, it might be interesting to investigate building with wide character support, but calling the library libncurses. I believe that the reason there are two libraries, normally, is because the two are binary incompatible, the non-wide-char variant has a long history, and the author doesn't want to break incompatibility. A worthy goal, but on Solaris, there is no real history of libncurses, so perhaps we can go straight to the wide-char variant? I'd check with Thomas about this first, in case he can think of any issues that might arise. Note that by making the library Volatile, you can change over at any point in the future, but it's a popular enough library that you're likely to tick customers off, so it might be better to just go ahead and do it now. Danek From andras.barna@gmail.com Sun Aug 24 23:29:10 2008 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7P6TA3u024675 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:29:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m7P6T8wh044237 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:lsarc-ext@sun.com>; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 00:29:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K6500H038OJW200@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:29:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sca-ea-mail-4.sun.com ([192.18.43.22]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K6500DAH8OJ4150@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:29:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay11i.sun.com (ip121.net129179-4.block1.us.syntegra.com [129.179.4.121]) by sca-ea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7P6T6lb013428 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 06:29:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mmp11es.mmp.us.syntegra.com ([160.41.208.11] [160.41.208.11]) by relay11i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-215097 for lsarc-ext@sun.com; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 06:29:06 +0000 (Z) Received: from relay12i.sun.com (relay12i.sun.com [129.179.4.122]) by mmp11es.mmp.us.syntegra.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-10509937 for lsarc-ext@sun.com; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 06:29:06 +0000 (Z) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.44.155] [74.125.44.155]) by relay1i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-1335105 for lsarc-ext@sun.com; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 06:29:06 +0000 (Z) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 3so794509yxi.68 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:28:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.112.4 with SMTP id p4mr6512306ybm.141.1219645737109; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:28:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.11.8 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:28:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:28:56 +0300 From: Andras Barna Subject: Re: ncurses for OpenSolaris [LSARC/2008/524 FastTrack timeout 08/22/2008] In-reply-to: <48B24A3C.6010704@sun.com> To: Rick Ju Cc: Brian Cameron , Danek Duvall , Irene Huang , lsarc-ext@sun.com Message-id: <56dc2e760808242328hc696d9ct6232580ccd9359ae@mail.gmail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=NdIgE9ckUOgsupmnjQHQZ5kc99xf+Tu7ef3mQzLnlBw=; b=vVO01JRpNZdXLyi1Ds0FCtCjrmndoYwvIjOq+ok1awCBbXhKHcxm343R7gIxm8EWN/ C/O5dCMpKcn0Rd2CaIQqDr2gw2VWVaTOoC6Q4SgSBX7vpN3YXNxX5dHgST5tXpBqMu0/ VUNgEajP8bRTqksc0yOoT19ExL/oJuADXY3kE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=ToRr+x/vMa1MWyvEWCqZ7EDkHHoNa4uWgzlLjEvYOGBxULiJiseAvD3StACp+HIuHR 5z5kFluvueIzvHaze+XURXfdljUwCX+Ul/Xuqd7wtM9XE42nEpjvLkDq0MtrLv3ISmwH 6JYDQzfbySbCBWv2ztrSxtfBST2occqzFzCAw= X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Antispam: No, score=0.0/5.0, scanned in 0.141sec at (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smf-spamd v1.3.1 - http://smfs.sf.net/ References: <200808150759.m7F7xlgj026953@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <20080818201222.GG11587@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> <48AA813C.9080400@sun.com> <20080819160908.GO11587@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> <48AB6D61.2040205@sun.com> <48AD11A0.9020200@sun.com> <48AD271F.8000100@sun.com> <48B24A3C.6010704@sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 7320 imho would be better /usr/include/ncursesw instead of /usr/include/ncurses - for compatibility On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Rick Ju wrote: > Hi, > > Updated to fix the issues Brian found. Thanks. > > -rick > > Brian Cameron wrote: >> >> Rick: >> >> You define ncurses to be "Uncommitted", so I assume the interfaces >> are all very stable. For example, none of the specified binaries or >> header files would ever be removed in a future release of ncurses. >> >> Ncurses is a programming library providing an API, allowing the >> programmer >> >> I'd say "providing an API which allows the programmer" >> >> It also optimizes screen changes, in order >> to reduce the latency experienced when using remote shells. >> >> Remove the comma before "in order". >> >> implementations can support BSD curses programs with just a >> recompilation. >> >> I'd say "can support BSD curses programs after being recompiled." >> >> The JDS team and the G11N are working together to evaluation >> >> Change "evaluation" to "evaluate". >> >> [2] Relates ARC cases >> >> I'd say "Related ARC cases" >> >> - Are PSARC 1996/219 and PSARC 1999/326 related ARC cases? >> Also what about PSARC 1994/420 > > > 1. Introduction > 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: > > ncurses 5.6 > > 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: > > Author: Rick Ju > Sponser: Irene Huang > > 1.3. Date of This Document: > > 07/11/2008 > > 4. Technical Description: > 4.1. Details: > > Ncurses is a programming library providing an API, allowing the > programmer > to write text user interfaces (textual blocky UI) in a terminal- > independent manner. It's a toolkit for developing "GUI-like" apps which > run under a terminal emulator. It also optimizes screen changes, in > order > to reduce the latency experienced when using remote shells. > > Ncurses is a free software emulation (clone) of System V Release 4.0 > (SVR4) > curses, an enhancement over the discontinued classic 4.4 BSD curses. The > XSI Curses standard issued by X/Open is explicitly and closely modeled > on > System V. > > Most ncurses calls can be easily ported to the old curses. System V > curses > implementations can support BSD curses programs with just a > recompilation. > However, a few areas are problematic, such as handling terminal resizing > (since no counterpart exists in the old curses). Other subtle > differences > in call semantics can make porting an ncurses application to commercial > Unix somewhat difficult. > > Ncurses can use either terminfo (with extensible data), or termcap as > terminal database. > > Because most the binaries and libraries use same name with SVR4 curses, > we ship the binaries in /usr/gnu/bin and the libraries in > /usr/lib/libncurses. > > For more info, please refer to http://www.gnu.org/software/ncurses. > > 4.2. Interfaces: > Exported Interfaces > Interface Classification Comments > --------------- --------------- > ----------------------- > /usr/bin/gcaptoinfo > /usr/bin/gclear > /usr/bin/ginfocmp > /usr/bin/ginfotocap > /usr/bin/greset > /usr/bin/gtack > /usr/bin/gtic > /usr/bin/gtoe > /usr/bin/gtput > /usr/bin/gtset > Uncommitted CLI binaries. > These are files with a > 'g' > prefix. > Please see the man > pages. > > /usr/gnu/bin/captoinfo > /usr/gnu/bin/clear > /usr/gnu/bin/infocmp > /usr/gnu/bin/infotocap > /usr/gnu/bin/reset > /usr/gnu/bin/tack > /usr/gnu/bin/tic > /usr/gnu/bin/toe > /usr/gnu/bin/tput > /usr/gnu/bin/tset > Uncommitted These are links to > binaries > in /usr/bin/ with a > 'g' prefix > Please see the man > pages. > /usr/gnu/bin/ncurses5-config > Uncommitted CLI binaries. > > /usr/gnu/lib/libformw.so.5 > /usr/gnu/lib/libmenuw.so.5 > /usr/gnu/lib/libncursesw.so.5 > /usr/gnu/lib/libpanelw.so.5 > Uncommitted Supporting libraries > > /usr/include/ncurses/curses.h > /usr/include/ncurses/cursesapp.h > /usr/include/ncurses/cursesf.h > /usr/include/ncurses/cursesm.h > /usr/include/ncurses/cursesp.h > /usr/include/ncurses/cursesw.h > /usr/include/ncurses/cursslk.h > /usr/include/ncurses/eti.h > /usr/include/ncurses/etip.h > /usr/include/ncurses/form.h > /usr/include/ncurses/menu.h > /usr/include/ncurses/ncurses.h > /usr/include/ncurses/ncurses_dll.h > /usr/include/ncurses/panel.h > /usr/include/ncurses/term.h > /usr/include/ncurses/termcap.h > /usr/include/ncurses/unctrl.h > Uncommited Header files in > development package. > > SUNWncurses Uncommited ncurses packaging > contains > binaries, libraries. > SUNWncurses-devel Uncommited ncurses packaging > contains > headers and static > libraries > > Imported Interfaces > Interface Classification Comments > --------------- --------------- ----------------------- > libc Committed PSARC/1991/064 > libm Committed LSARC/1992/005 > > 4.3. Doc Impact: > > Man page is needed. > > 4.4. Packaging & Delivery: > SUNWncurses (base package) - Base package i.e binary, > libraries > SUNWncurses-devel - Development packaging > > 4.5. Dependencies: > libc and libm. > > 4.6. I18N/L10N Impact: > > The JDS team and the G11N are working together to evaluation and > provide I18N/L10N support. > > 4.7 Security Impact: > None. > > 5. Reference Documents: > > [1] ncurses homepage > > http://www.gnu.org/software/ncurses/ > > [2] Relates ARC cases > > PSARC/1991/064 MT-Safe libc > LSARC/1992/005 Bundled libm packaging > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-arc mailing list > opensolaris-arc@opensolaris.org > -- Andy http://blog.sartek.net From danek.duvall@sun.com Sun Aug 24 23:34:41 2008 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7P6Yftj025093 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:34:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m7P6YacH045708 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:lsarc-ext@sun.com>; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 00:34:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K650051R8XRVP00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Mon, 25 Aug 2008 00:34:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dm-sfbay-01.sfbay.sun.com ([129.145.155.118]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K65009JG8XQX380@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Mon, 25 Aug 2008 00:34:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM (mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.229.4]) by dm-sfbay-01.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m7P6Ya56024563; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:34:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM (mumak [127.0.0.1]) by mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3) with ESMTP id m7P6ZcdE009011; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:35:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dduvall@localhost) by mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3/Submit) id m7P6ZcDo009010; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:35:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:35:38 -0700 From: Danek Duvall Subject: Re: ncurses for OpenSolaris [LSARC/2008/524 FastTrack timeout 08/22/2008] In-reply-to: <56dc2e760808242328hc696d9ct6232580ccd9359ae@mail.gmail.com> To: Andras Barna Cc: Rick Ju , Brian Cameron , Irene Huang , lsarc-ext@sun.com Message-id: <20080825063538.GX15226@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200808150759.m7F7xlgj026953@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <20080818201222.GG11587@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> <48AA813C.9080400@sun.com> <20080819160908.GO11587@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> <48AB6D61.2040205@sun.com> <48AD11A0.9020200@sun.com> <48AD271F.8000100@sun.com> <48B24A3C.6010704@sun.com> <56dc2e760808242328hc696d9ct6232580ccd9359ae@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-27) Status: RO Content-Length: 293 On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 09:28:56AM +0300, Andras Barna wrote: > imho would be better /usr/include/ncursesw instead of > /usr/include/ncurses - for compatibility That shouldn't be necessary; the wide-char versions of the header files are completely compatible with the narrow version. Danek From Stefan.Teleman@Sun.COM Mon Aug 25 00:00:45 2008 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7P70iCt026294 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 00:00:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m7P70S3R022906; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 08:00:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K6500J0TA507M00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 00:00:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.17.59]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K6500D9UA504170@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 00:00:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.7.251.110] (punchin-client-10-7-251-110.SFBay.Sun.COM [10.7.251.110]) by jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3) with ESMTP id m7P70Z1k007810; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 00:00:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 03:00:35 -0400 From: Stefan Teleman Subject: Re: ncurses for OpenSolaris [LSARC/2008/524 FastTrack timeout 08/22/2008] In-reply-to: <20080825062439.GV15226@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> To: Danek Duvall Cc: Rick Ju , Irene Huang , Alan Coopersmith , lsarc-ext@Sun.COM Reply-to: Stefan Teleman Message-id: <48B25893.3000704@Sun.COM> Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200808150759.m7F7xlgj026953@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <20080818201222.GG11587@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> <48AA813C.9080400@sun.com> <20080819160908.GO11587@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> <48AB6D61.2040205@sun.com> <48AD11A0.9020200@sun.com> <48AD7FC7.7000902@sun.com> <48B24D11.3060406@sun.com> <20080825062439.GV15226@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070802) Status: RO Content-Length: 1054 Danek Duvall wrote: > On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 02:11:29PM +0800, Rick Ju wrote: > >> With wide char supported, there is only libncursesw.so instead of >> libncurses.so. > > I think the intent was that you'd deliver both libraries. However, it > might be interesting to investigate building with wide character support, > but calling the library libncurses. I believe that the reason there are > two libraries, normally, is because the two are binary incompatible, the > non-wide-char variant has a long history, and the author doesn't want to > break incompatibility. That's how it's "usually done". The wide-char version supports non-wide-chars just fine (the inverse is however not true). So, installing the lib*.w.so libraries as lib*.so works. The only detail to keep in mind is that the Makefiles will set by default the SONAME to lib*w.so, so patches are needed for the Makefiles for the wide-char versions to change the SONAMEs to the corresponding lib*.so. --Stefan -- Stefan Teleman Sun Microsystems, Inc. Stefan.Teleman@Sun.COM From Rick.Ju@Sun.COM Mon Aug 25 19:42:34 2008 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7Q2gXDK004040 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:42:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m7Q2gXFW005084 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:lsarc-ext@sun.com>; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:42:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K660020ZSUX4600@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@Sun.COM); Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:42:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sineb-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.19.6]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K6600FDHSUW2WB0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@Sun.COM); Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:42:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-apac-06.sun.com (fe-apac-06.sun.com [192.18.19.177] (may be forged)) by sineb-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7Q2gV6Q022383 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 02:42:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-apac.sun.com by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0K6600I01ST5GS00@mail-apac.sun.com> (original mail from Rick.Ju@Sun.COM) for lsarc-ext@Sun.COM (ORCPT lsarc-ext@Sun.COM); Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:42:31 +0800 (SGT) Received: from [129.158.144.90] by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0K66009GOSUU8AGL@mail-apac.sun.com>; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:42:31 +0800 (SGT) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:46:26 +0800 From: Rick Ju Subject: Re: ncurses for OpenSolaris [LSARC/2008/524 FastTrack timeout 08/22/2008] In-reply-to: <48B25893.3000704@Sun.COM> Sender: Rick.Ju@Sun.COM To: Stefan Teleman Cc: Danek Duvall , Irene Huang , Alan Coopersmith , lsarc-ext@Sun.COM Message-id: <48B36E82.10202@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200808150759.m7F7xlgj026953@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <20080818201222.GG11587@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> <48AA813C.9080400@sun.com> <20080819160908.GO11587@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> <48AB6D61.2040205@sun.com> <48AD11A0.9020200@sun.com> <48AD7FC7.7000902@sun.com> <48B24D11.3060406@sun.com> <20080825062439.GV15226@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> <48B25893.3000704@Sun.COM> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071009) Status: RO Content-Length: 1131 So I will update the materials accordingly using lib*.so as libraries names. -rick Stefan Teleman wrote: > > > Danek Duvall wrote: >> On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 02:11:29PM +0800, Rick Ju wrote: >> >>> With wide char supported, there is only libncursesw.so instead of >>> libncurses.so. >> >> I think the intent was that you'd deliver both libraries. However, it >> might be interesting to investigate building with wide character >> support, >> but calling the library libncurses. I believe that the reason there are >> two libraries, normally, is because the two are binary incompatible, the >> non-wide-char variant has a long history, and the author doesn't want to >> break incompatibility. > > That's how it's "usually done". The wide-char version supports > non-wide-chars just fine (the inverse is however not true). > > So, installing the lib*.w.so libraries as lib*.so works. The only > detail to keep in mind is that the Makefiles will set by default the > SONAME to lib*w.so, so patches are needed for the Makefiles for the > wide-char versions to change the SONAMEs to the corresponding lib*.so. > > --Stefan > From Irene.Huang@Sun.COM Mon Aug 25 19:51:30 2008 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7Q2pTIE004059 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:51:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m7Q2pPDF017627 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:lsarc-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:51:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K6600201T9RXV00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@Sun.COM); Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:51:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sineb-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.19.7]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K6600LYOT9QVL10@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@Sun.COM); Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:51:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-apac-05.sun.com (fe-apac-05.sun.com [192.18.19.176] (may be forged)) by sineb-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7Q2pPnP014909 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 02:51:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-apac.sun.com by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0K6600801T9FZL00@mail-apac.sun.com> (original mail from Irene.Huang@Sun.COM) for lsarc-ext@Sun.COM (ORCPT lsarc-ext@Sun.COM); Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:51:25 +0800 (SGT) Received: from [129.158.146.240] by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0K66007UET9OXJ9B@mail-apac.sun.com>; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:51:25 +0800 (SGT) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:51:24 +0800 From: Irene Huang Subject: Re: ncurses for OpenSolaris [LSARC/2008/524 FastTrack timeout 08/22/2008] In-reply-to: <48B36E82.10202@sun.com> Sender: Irene.Huang@Sun.COM To: Rick Ju Cc: Stefan Teleman , Danek Duvall , Alan Coopersmith , lsarc-ext@Sun.COM Message-id: <48B36FAC.2000208@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200808150759.m7F7xlgj026953@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <20080818201222.GG11587@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> <48AA813C.9080400@sun.com> <20080819160908.GO11587@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> <48AB6D61.2040205@sun.com> <48AD11A0.9020200@sun.com> <48AD7FC7.7000902@sun.com> <48B24D11.3060406@sun.com> <20080825062439.GV15226@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> <48B25893.3000704@Sun.COM> <48B36E82.10202@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) Status: RO Content-Length: 1290 Hi, all If no one disagrees, I would like to close this case within 24 hours :) --irene Rick Ju wrote: > So I will update the materials accordingly using lib*.so as libraries > names. > > -rick > > Stefan Teleman wrote: >> >> >> Danek Duvall wrote: >>> On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 02:11:29PM +0800, Rick Ju wrote: >>> >>>> With wide char supported, there is only libncursesw.so instead of >>>> libncurses.so. >>> >>> I think the intent was that you'd deliver both libraries. However, it >>> might be interesting to investigate building with wide character >>> support, >>> but calling the library libncurses. I believe that the reason there >>> are >>> two libraries, normally, is because the two are binary incompatible, >>> the >>> non-wide-char variant has a long history, and the author doesn't >>> want to >>> break incompatibility. >> >> That's how it's "usually done". The wide-char version supports >> non-wide-chars just fine (the inverse is however not true). >> >> So, installing the lib*.w.so libraries as lib*.so works. The only >> detail to keep in mind is that the Makefiles will set by default the >> SONAME to lib*w.so, so patches are needed for the Makefiles for the >> wide-char versions to change the SONAMEs to the corresponding lib*.so. >> >> --Stefan >> > From Nicolas.Williams@sun.com Mon Aug 25 19:57:21 2008 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7Q2vKLU004350 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:57:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m7Q2v5Iv019167; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:57:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K6600201TJEVI00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:57:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from binky.Central.Sun.COM ([129.153.128.104]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K6600F7KTJD31C0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:57:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from binky.Central.Sun.COM (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by binky.Central.Sun.COM (8.14.1+Sun/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7Q2v8me027111; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 21:57:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from nw141292@localhost) by binky.Central.Sun.COM (8.14.1+Sun/8.14.1/Submit) id m7Q2v7Bw027110; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 21:57:07 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 21:57:07 -0500 From: Nicolas Williams Subject: Re: ncurses for OpenSolaris [LSARC/2008/524 FastTrack timeout 08/22/2008] In-reply-to: <48B36FAC.2000208@sun.com> To: Irene Huang Cc: Rick Ju , Alan Coopersmith , Danek Duvall , lsarc-ext@sun.com, Stefan Teleman Message-id: <20080826025707.GI20924@Sun.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <48AA813C.9080400@sun.com> <20080819160908.GO11587@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> <48AB6D61.2040205@sun.com> <48AD11A0.9020200@sun.com> <48AD7FC7.7000902@sun.com> <48B24D11.3060406@sun.com> <20080825062439.GV15226@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> <48B25893.3000704@Sun.COM> <48B36E82.10202@sun.com> <48B36FAC.2000208@sun.com> X-Authentication-warning: binky.Central.Sun.COM: nw141292 set sender to Nicolas.Williams@sun.com using -f User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i Status: RO Content-Length: 275 On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 10:51:24AM +0800, Irene Huang wrote: > Rick Ju wrote: > > So I will update the materials accordingly using lib*.so as libraries > > names. Do we want the 'w' names delivered as symlinks? Are there configure scripts looking for those library names? From Rick.Ju@sun.com Mon Aug 25 20:10:04 2008 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7Q3A3qe004540 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:10:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m7Q39wAb013838 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:lsarc-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:10:02 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K6600503U4NDD00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:09:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sineb-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.19.6]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K6600LO7U4MVJ20@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:09:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-apac-06.sun.com (fe-apac-06.sun.com [192.18.19.177] (may be forged)) by sineb-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7Q39wIx024232 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:09:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-apac.sun.com by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0K6600F01U3M6S00@mail-apac.sun.com> (original mail from Rick.Ju@Sun.COM) for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:09:58 +0800 (SGT) Received: from [129.158.144.90] by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0K6600FS8U4KR1X2@mail-apac.sun.com>; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:09:57 +0800 (SGT) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:13:52 +0800 From: Rick Ju Subject: Re: ncurses for OpenSolaris [LSARC/2008/524 FastTrack timeout 08/22/2008] In-reply-to: <20080826025707.GI20924@Sun.COM> Sender: Rick.Ju@sun.com To: Nicolas Williams Cc: Irene Huang , Alan Coopersmith , Danek Duvall , lsarc-ext@sun.com, Stefan Teleman Message-id: <48B374F0.7080904@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <48AA813C.9080400@sun.com> <20080819160908.GO11587@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> <48AB6D61.2040205@sun.com> <48AD11A0.9020200@sun.com> <48AD7FC7.7000902@sun.com> <48B24D11.3060406@sun.com> <20080825062439.GV15226@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> <48B25893.3000704@Sun.COM> <48B36E82.10202@sun.com> <48B36FAC.2000208@sun.com> <20080826025707.GI20924@Sun.COM> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071009) Status: RO Content-Length: 408 We ship ncurses5-config which gives correct cflags and library path. Nicolas Williams wrote: > On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 10:51:24AM +0800, Irene Huang wrote: > >> Rick Ju wrote: >> >>> So I will update the materials accordingly using lib*.so as libraries >>> names. >>> > > Do we want the 'w' names delivered as symlinks? Are there configure > scripts looking for those library names? > From Nicolas.Williams@Sun.COM Mon Aug 25 20:15:37 2008 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7Q3FbjD004581 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:15:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m7Q3FVfw024742; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 04:15:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K6600607UDV3200@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:15:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from binky.Central.Sun.COM ([129.153.128.104]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K6600LJOUDUVF20@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:15:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from binky.Central.Sun.COM (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by binky.Central.Sun.COM (8.14.1+Sun/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7Q3FUSC027120; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:15:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from nw141292@localhost) by binky.Central.Sun.COM (8.14.1+Sun/8.14.1/Submit) id m7Q3FUta027119; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:15:30 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:15:29 -0500 From: Nicolas Williams Subject: Re: ncurses for OpenSolaris [LSARC/2008/524 FastTrack timeout 08/22/2008] In-reply-to: <48B374F0.7080904@sun.com> To: Rick Ju Cc: Irene Huang , Alan Coopersmith , Danek Duvall , lsarc-ext@Sun.COM, Stefan Teleman Message-id: <20080826031529.GJ20924@Sun.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <48AB6D61.2040205@sun.com> <48AD11A0.9020200@sun.com> <48AD7FC7.7000902@sun.com> <48B24D11.3060406@sun.com> <20080825062439.GV15226@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> <48B25893.3000704@Sun.COM> <48B36E82.10202@sun.com> <48B36FAC.2000208@sun.com> <20080826025707.GI20924@Sun.COM> <48B374F0.7080904@sun.com> X-Authentication-warning: binky.Central.Sun.COM: nw141292 set sender to Nicolas.Williams@sun.com using -f User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i Status: RO Content-Length: 141 On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:13:52AM +0800, Rick Ju wrote: > We ship ncurses5-config which gives correct cflags and library path. OK, thanks. From danek.duvall@sun.com Mon Aug 25 23:20:28 2008 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7Q6KR4d009060 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:20:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m7Q6KPZn010424 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:lsarc-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:20:26 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K67007052Y01400@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:20:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm-sfbay-01.sfbay.sun.com ([129.145.155.118]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K6700L742XXVFB0@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:20:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM (mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.229.4]) by dm-sfbay-01.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m7Q6KKYt008830; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:20:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM (mumak [127.0.0.1]) by mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3) with ESMTP id m7Q6LMqb014215; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:21:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dduvall@localhost) by mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3/Submit) id m7Q6LMlD014214; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:21:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:21:22 -0700 From: Danek Duvall Subject: Re: ncurses for OpenSolaris [LSARC/2008/524 FastTrack timeout 08/22/2008] In-reply-to: <48B36FAC.2000208@sun.com> To: Irene Huang Cc: Rick Ju , Stefan Teleman , Alan Coopersmith , lsarc-ext@sun.com Message-id: <20080826062122.GC15226@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <48AA813C.9080400@sun.com> <20080819160908.GO11587@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> <48AB6D61.2040205@sun.com> <48AD11A0.9020200@sun.com> <48AD7FC7.7000902@sun.com> <48B24D11.3060406@sun.com> <20080825062439.GV15226@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> <48B25893.3000704@Sun.COM> <48B36E82.10202@sun.com> <48B36FAC.2000208@sun.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-27) Status: RO Content-Length: 421 On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 10:51:24AM +0800, Irene Huang wrote: > If no one disagrees, I would like to close this case within 24 hours :) Don't rush. I don't think we're done yet. At the very least, the next round of materials needs to be sent out, as well as the answer to whether libncurses.so.5 should be wide-char enabled or whether there should be both libncurses.so.5 (narrow) and libncursesw.so.5 (wide). Danek From Irene.Huang@sun.com Wed Aug 27 01:09:05 2008 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7R8951M028858 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:09:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m7R8937m003935 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:lsarc-ext@sun.com>; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:09:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K6900F132N3R500@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:09:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sineb-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.19.7]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K6900EFJ2N25890@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:09:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-apac-05.sun.com (fe-apac-05.sun.com [192.18.19.176] (may be forged)) by sineb-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7R892Yv009647 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:09:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-apac.sun.com by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0K6900C012I47800@mail-apac.sun.com> (original mail from Irene.Huang@Sun.COM) for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:09:02 +0800 (SGT) Received: from [129.158.217.63] by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0K69004YB2MWPG1C@mail-apac.sun.com>; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:09:02 +0800 (SGT) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:08:55 +0800 From: Irene Huang Subject: Re: ncurses for OpenSolaris [LSARC/2008/524 FastTrack timeout 08/22/2008] In-reply-to: <20080826062122.GC15226@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> Sender: Irene.Huang@sun.com To: Danek Duvall Cc: Rick Ju , Stefan Teleman , Alan Coopersmith , lsarc-ext@sun.com Message-id: <48B50B97.2010701@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <48AA813C.9080400@sun.com> <20080819160908.GO11587@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> <48AB6D61.2040205@sun.com> <48AD11A0.9020200@sun.com> <48AD7FC7.7000902@sun.com> <48B24D11.3060406@sun.com> <20080825062439.GV15226@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> <48B25893.3000704@Sun.COM> <48B36E82.10202@sun.com> <48B36FAC.2000208@sun.com> <20080826062122.GC15226@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) Status: RO Content-Length: 536 Hi, all I am extending the timeout to be Sept 1st --Irene Danek Duvall wrote: > On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 10:51:24AM +0800, Irene Huang wrote: > > >> If no one disagrees, I would like to close this case within 24 hours :) >> > > Don't rush. I don't think we're done yet. At the very least, the next > round of materials needs to be sent out, as well as the answer to whether > libncurses.so.5 should be wide-char enabled or whether there should be both > libncurses.so.5 (narrow) and libncursesw.so.5 (wide). > > Danek > From Rick.Ju@Sun.COM Wed Aug 27 01:13:34 2008 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7R8DYiv029096 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:13:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m7R8DTsP029083 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:lsarc-ext@sun.com>; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:13:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K6900G0X2ULBV00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:13:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sineb-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.19.6]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K6900ES22UK4YB0@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:13:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-apac-05.sun.com (fe-apac-05.sun.com [192.18.19.176] (may be forged)) by sineb-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7R8DWfH022433 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:13:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-apac.sun.com by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0K6900E012OYND00@mail-apac.sun.com> (original mail from Rick.Ju@Sun.COM) for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:13:32 +0800 (SGT) Received: from [129.158.144.90] by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0K6900MHE2UI9U17@mail-apac.sun.com>; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:13:31 +0800 (SGT) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:17:34 +0800 From: Rick Ju Subject: Re: ncurses for OpenSolaris [LSARC/2008/524 FastTrack timeout 08/22/2008] In-reply-to: <20080826062122.GC15226@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> Sender: Rick.Ju@Sun.COM To: Irene Huang Cc: Danek Duvall , Stefan Teleman , Alan Coopersmith , lsarc-ext@Sun.COM Message-id: <48B50D9E.9080901@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_mi+505oNhOHkNcIH0zNzbw)" X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <48AA813C.9080400@sun.com> <20080819160908.GO11587@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> <48AB6D61.2040205@sun.com> <48AD11A0.9020200@sun.com> <48AD7FC7.7000902@sun.com> <48B24D11.3060406@sun.com> <20080825062439.GV15226@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> <48B25893.3000704@Sun.COM> <48B36E82.10202@sun.com> <48B36FAC.2000208@sun.com> <20080826062122.GC15226@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071009) Status: RO Content-Length: 6298 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_mi+505oNhOHkNcIH0zNzbw) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi, Latest version materials. Shipping wide-char version using lib*.so name. -rick --Boundary_(ID_mi+505oNhOHkNcIH0zNzbw) Content-type: text/plain; name=ncurses-proposal.txt Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline; filename=ncurses-proposal.txt 1. Introduction 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: ncurses 5.6 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: Author: Rick Ju Sponser: Irene Huang 1.3. Date of This Document: 07/11/2008 4. Technical Description: 4.1. Details: Ncurses is a programming library providing an API which allows the programmer to write text user interfaces (textual blocky UI) in a terminal- independent manner. It's a toolkit for developing "GUI-like" apps which run under a terminal emulator. It also optimizes screen changes in order to reduce the latency experienced when using remote shells. Ncurses is a free software emulation (clone) of System V Release 4.0 (SVR4) curses, an enhancement over the discontinued classic 4.4 BSD curses. The XSI Curses standard issued by X/Open is explicitly and closely modeled on System V. Most ncurses calls can be easily ported to the old curses. System V curses implementations can support BSD curses programs after being recompiled. However, a few areas are problematic, such as handling terminal resizing (since no counterpart exists in the old curses). Other subtle differences in call semantics can make porting an ncurses application to commercial Unix somewhat difficult. Ncurses can use either terminfo (with extensible data), or termcap as terminal database. Because most the binaries and libraries use same name with SVR4 curses, we ship the binaries in /usr/gnu/bin and the libraries in /usr/lib/libncurses. For more info, please refer to http://www.gnu.org/software/ncurses. 4.2. Interfaces: Exported Interfaces Interface Classification Comments --------------- --------------- ----------------------- /usr/bin/gcaptoinfo /usr/bin/gclear /usr/bin/ginfocmp /usr/bin/ginfotocap /usr/bin/greset /usr/bin/gtack /usr/bin/gtic /usr/bin/gtoe /usr/bin/gtput /usr/bin/gtset Uncommitted CLI binaries. These are files with a 'g' prefix. Please see the man pages. /usr/gnu/bin/captoinfo /usr/gnu/bin/clear /usr/gnu/bin/infocmp /usr/gnu/bin/infotocap /usr/gnu/bin/reset /usr/gnu/bin/tack /usr/gnu/bin/tic /usr/gnu/bin/toe /usr/gnu/bin/tput /usr/gnu/bin/tset Uncommitted These are links to binaries in /usr/bin/ with a 'g' prefix Please see the man pages. /usr/gnu/bin/ncurses5-config Uncommitted CLI binaries. /usr/gnu/lib/libncurses.so.5 /usr/gnu/lib/libform.so.5 /usr/gnu/lib/libmenu.so.5 /usr/gnu/lib/libpanel.so.5 Uncommitted Supporting libraries /usr/include/ncurses/curses.h /usr/include/ncurses/cursesapp.h /usr/include/ncurses/cursesf.h /usr/include/ncurses/cursesm.h /usr/include/ncurses/cursesp.h /usr/include/ncurses/cursesw.h /usr/include/ncurses/cursslk.h /usr/include/ncurses/eti.h /usr/include/ncurses/etip.h /usr/include/ncurses/form.h /usr/include/ncurses/menu.h /usr/include/ncurses/ncurses.h /usr/include/ncurses/ncurses_dll.h /usr/include/ncurses/panel.h /usr/include/ncurses/term.h /usr/include/ncurses/termcap.h /usr/include/ncurses/unctrl.h Uncommited Header files in development package. SUNWncurses Uncommited ncurses packaging contains binaries, libraries. SUNWncurses-devel Uncommited ncurses packaging contains headers and static libraries Imported Interfaces Interface Classification Comments --------------- --------------- ----------------------- libc Committed PSARC/1991/064 libm Committed LSARC/1992/005 4.3. Doc Impact: Man page is needed. 4.4. Packaging & Delivery: SUNWncurses (base package) - Base package i.e binary, libraries SUNWncurses-devel - Development packaging 4.5. Dependencies: libc and libm. 4.6. I18N/L10N Impact: The JDS team and the G11N are working together to evaluate and provide I18N/L10N support. 4.7 Security Impact: None. 5. Reference Documents: [1] ncurses homepage http://www.gnu.org/software/ncurses/ [2] Related ARC cases PSARC/1991/064 MT-Safe libc LSARC/1992/005 Bundled libm packaging --Boundary_(ID_mi+505oNhOHkNcIH0zNzbw)-- From Irene.Huang@sun.com Sun Aug 31 19:30:45 2008 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m812Uifv018043 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:30:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m812UeCF004625 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:lsarc-ext@sun.com>; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 10:30:44 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K6H00H0DWB45B00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:30:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sineb-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.19.7]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K6H00K2PWB2R6C0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:30:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-apac-06.sun.com (fe-apac-06.sun.com [192.18.19.177] (may be forged)) by sineb-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m812UciA016075 for ; Mon, 01 Sep 2008 02:30:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-apac.sun.com by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0K6H00G01W3U9K00@mail-apac.sun.com> (original mail from Irene.Huang@Sun.COM) for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Mon, 01 Sep 2008 10:30:38 +0800 (SGT) Received: from [129.158.217.63] by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0K6H009LPWB18FJG@mail-apac.sun.com>; Mon, 01 Sep 2008 10:30:38 +0800 (SGT) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 10:30:35 +0800 From: Irene Huang Subject: Re: ncurses for OpenSolaris [LSARC/2008/524 FastTrack timeout 08/22/2008] In-reply-to: <48B50D9E.9080901@sun.com> Sender: Irene.Huang@sun.com To: Rick Ju Cc: Danek Duvall , Stefan Teleman , Alan Coopersmith , lsarc-ext@sun.com Message-id: <48BB53CB.2090408@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <48AA813C.9080400@sun.com> <20080819160908.GO11587@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> <48AB6D61.2040205@sun.com> <48AD11A0.9020200@sun.com> <48AD7FC7.7000902@sun.com> <48B24D11.3060406@sun.com> <20080825062439.GV15226@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> <48B25893.3000704@Sun.COM> <48B36E82.10202@sun.com> <48B36FAC.2000208@sun.com> <20080826062122.GC15226@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> <48B50D9E.9080901@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) Status: RO Content-Length: 193 Hi, all If there's no objections, I am closing this case as approved. --Irene Rick Ju wrote: > Hi, > > Latest version materials. Shipping wide-char version using lib*.so name. > > -rick > > From danek.duvall@sun.com Tue Oct 7 17:05:17 2008 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m9805GHg015340 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 17:05:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m9805GBa018486 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:lsarc-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 18:05:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K8E0090188SRJ00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 17:05:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm-sfbay-02.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.11.31]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K8E000Y288R1640@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 17:05:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM (mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.229.4]) by dm-sfbay-02.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m9805Dwg029215; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 17:05:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM (mumak [127.0.0.1]) by mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3) with ESMTP id m9806RAh021394; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 17:06:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dduvall@localhost) by mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3/Submit) id m9806RdK021393; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 17:06:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 17:06:27 -0700 From: Danek Duvall Subject: Re: ncurses for OpenSolaris [LSARC/2008/524 FastTrack timeout 08/22/2008] In-reply-to: <48B50D9E.9080901@sun.com> To: Rick Ju Cc: Irene Huang , Stefan Teleman , Alan Coopersmith , lsarc-ext@sun.com, Mike Sullivan Message-id: <20081008000627.GT22073@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <48AB6D61.2040205@sun.com> <48AD11A0.9020200@sun.com> <48AD7FC7.7000902@sun.com> <48B24D11.3060406@sun.com> <20080825062439.GV15226@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> <48B25893.3000704@Sun.COM> <48B36E82.10202@sun.com> <48B36FAC.2000208@sun.com> <20080826062122.GC15226@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> <48B50D9E.9080901@sun.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-27) Status: RO Content-Length: 1580 Hi. Mike asked me about the way that ncurses was delivering onto the system, and mentioned that while the headers were being delivered into /usr/include, the libraries were being delivered into /usr/gnu/lib. That sounded odd to me, so I came back and checked, and, unfortunately, the spec is conflicted over this. In the text, > Because most the binaries and libraries use same name with SVR4 curses, > we ship the binaries in /usr/gnu/bin and the libraries in > /usr/lib/libncurses. you say the libraries go in /usr/lib, while in the interface table, > /usr/gnu/lib/libncurses.so.5 > /usr/gnu/lib/libform.so.5 > /usr/gnu/lib/libmenu.so.5 > /usr/gnu/lib/libpanel.so.5 > Uncommitted Supporting libraries you say they go in /usr/gnu/lib. I'm sorry for not noticing that when the case was still running, but it'd be good to have some clarification on the issue. > /usr/include/ncurses/curses.h I'll also note that the build 100 delivery appears to put the header files directly in /usr/include, not in /usr/include/ncurses, which means they overwrite files already delivered in SUNWhea, through the OS/Net consolidation. > /usr/gnu/bin/ncurses5-config > Uncommitted CLI binaries. And while I'm here and thinking about these things (sorry), this probably ought to go in /usr/bin so that it can be found, even though the curses libs are buried out of the way. Thanks, Danek From Rick.Ju@sun.com Tue Oct 7 20:02:51 2008 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m9832oVn020364 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 20:02:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m9832gqd008394; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 04:02:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K8E00C05GGLKR00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:02:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sineb-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.19.6]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K8E00721GGKHDE0@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:02:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fe-apac-05.sun.com (fe-apac-05.sun.com [192.18.19.176] (may be forged)) by sineb-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m9832h9W006481; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 03:02:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-apac.sun.com by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0K8E00D01GACIG00@mail-apac.sun.com> (original mail from Rick.Ju@Sun.COM) ; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 11:02:43 +0800 (SGT) Received: from [129.158.144.90] by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0K8E0072XGGIUHRB@mail-apac.sun.com>; Wed, 08 Oct 2008 11:02:43 +0800 (SGT) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 11:11:56 +0800 From: Rick Ju Subject: Re: ncurses for OpenSolaris [LSARC/2008/524 FastTrack timeout 08/22/2008] In-reply-to: <20081008000627.GT22073@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> Sender: Rick.Ju@sun.com To: Danek Duvall Cc: Irene Huang , Stefan Teleman , Alan Coopersmith , lsarc-ext@sun.com, Mike Sullivan Message-id: <48EC24FC.4000804@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <48AB6D61.2040205@sun.com> <48AD11A0.9020200@sun.com> <48AD7FC7.7000902@sun.com> <48B24D11.3060406@sun.com> <20080825062439.GV15226@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> <48B25893.3000704@Sun.COM> <48B36E82.10202@sun.com> <48B36FAC.2000208@sun.com> <20080826062122.GC15226@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> <48B50D9E.9080901@sun.com> <20081008000627.GT22073@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071009) Status: RO Content-Length: 2047 Hi, Danek Duvall wrote: > Hi. Mike asked me about the way that ncurses was delivering onto the > system, and mentioned that while the headers were being delivered into > /usr/include, the libraries were being delivered into /usr/gnu/lib. That > sounded odd to me, so I came back and checked, and, unfortunately, the spec > is conflicted over this. > > Is there any ARC policy about this? There are no files delivered /usr/gnu/include ever before. > In the text, > > >> Because most the binaries and libraries use same name with SVR4 curses, >> we ship the binaries in /usr/gnu/bin and the libraries in >> /usr/lib/libncurses. >> > > It should be /usr/gnu/lib. We changed the target directory several times. This place should be corrected. > you say the libraries go in /usr/lib, while in the interface table, > > >> /usr/gnu/lib/libncurses.so.5 >> /usr/gnu/lib/libform.so.5 >> /usr/gnu/lib/libmenu.so.5 >> /usr/gnu/lib/libpanel.so.5 >> Uncommitted Supporting libraries >> > > you say they go in /usr/gnu/lib. > > I'm sorry for not noticing that when the case was still running, but it'd > be good to have some clarification on the issue. > > >> /usr/include/ncurses/curses.h >> > > I'll also note that the build 100 delivery appears to put the header files > directly in /usr/include, not in /usr/include/ncurses, which means they > overwrite files already delivered in SUNWhea, through the OS/Net > consolidation. > > >> /usr/gnu/bin/ncurses5-config >> Uncommitted CLI binaries. >> > > And while I'm here and thinking about these things (sorry), this probably > ought to go in /usr/bin so that it can be found, even though the curses > libs are buried out of the way. > > Maybe you are right. How about adding a link /usr/bin/ncurses5-config->/usr/gnu/bin/ncurses5-config? > Thanks, > Danek > From danek.duvall@sun.com Tue Oct 7 20:32:03 2008 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m983W2rm020642 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2008 20:32:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m983VrCt016540 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:lsarc-ext@sun.com>; Wed, 8 Oct 2008 04:32:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K8E00A01HTC6X00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:32:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm-sfbay-02.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.11.31]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K8E000QSHTB16B0@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for lsarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT lsarc-ext@sun.com); Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:31:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM (mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.229.4]) by dm-sfbay-02.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m983VwdL047580; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:31:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM (mumak [127.0.0.1]) by mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3) with ESMTP id m983XCHR022531; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:33:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dduvall@localhost) by mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3/Submit) id m983XCIX022530; Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:33:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:33:12 -0700 From: Danek Duvall Subject: Re: ncurses for OpenSolaris [LSARC/2008/524 FastTrack timeout 08/22/2008] In-reply-to: <48EC24FC.4000804@sun.com> To: Rick Ju Cc: Irene Huang , Stefan Teleman , Alan Coopersmith , lsarc-ext@sun.com, Mike Sullivan Message-id: <20081008033312.GN19604@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <48AD7FC7.7000902@sun.com> <48B24D11.3060406@sun.com> <20080825062439.GV15226@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> <48B25893.3000704@Sun.COM> <48B36E82.10202@sun.com> <48B36FAC.2000208@sun.com> <20080826062122.GC15226@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> <48B50D9E.9080901@sun.com> <20081008000627.GT22073@mumak.SFBay.Sun.COM> <48EC24FC.4000804@sun.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-27) Status: RO Content-Length: 1081 On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 11:11:56AM +0800, Rick Ju wrote: > Is there any ARC policy about this? There are no files delivered > /usr/gnu/include ever before. I think it falls under the same policy as everything else -- if it conflicts with stuff already in /usr/include (and it's part of the GNU project), then it should go in /usr/gnu/include. However, since you've proposed to install under /usr/include/ncurses, then there's no conflict. I wasn't talking about the include vs library issue -- it's weird, but not wrong, and I'm not sure if moving the include files to /usr/gnu is any better -- but the fact that the spec says two different things about where the libraries go. > It should be /usr/gnu/lib. We changed the target directory several times. > This place should be corrected. Okay, thanks. Consider it corrected. > Maybe you are right. How about adding a link > /usr/bin/ncurses5-config->/usr/gnu/bin/ncurses5-config? Unless there are any objections, consider this case amended; you can make this change in a bugfix whenever is appropriate. Thanks, Danek From - Mon Jun 21 15:49:24 2010 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Received: from [10.7.250.84] (/10.7.250.84) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Fri, 18 Jun 2010 07:26:11 -0700 Message-ID: <4C1B8201.2070106@oracle.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 07:26:09 -0700 From: John Fischer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS i86pc; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100524 Lightning/1.0b1 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leontine Binchy , Dana Barsan CC: Sue Sohn , John Fischer Subject: Re: ncurses and text installer contract References: <4C1A9A96.6050406@oracle.com> <4C1B5825.6070202@oracle.com> In-Reply-To: <4C1B5825.6070202@oracle.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------070706030806070409040507" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070706030806070409040507 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leo, You are correct. I meant to fill that in prior to sending to you guys. I couldn't decide exactly how I wanted to word the documentation section. I have added that the interfaces in general would be documented by the community and the Oracle specific changes by the ARC case. John On 06/18/10 04:27 AM, Leontine Binchy wrote: > John, > > In general it looks good, except that question 12 is unanswered. > > Leo > > On 06/17/10 10:58 PM, John Fischer wrote: >> Leo and Dana, >> >> As you might know the text-installer uses ncurses by virtue of >> Python 2.6. Python 2.6 is an Uncommitted interface so the >> text-installer can use it. However, since ncurses is a Volatile >> interface we need to execute a contract for the text-installer >> to use it. >> >> Please review the attached contract and provide feedback >> or respond stating that the contract is acceptable. >> >> Thanks, >> >> John >> > --------------070706030806070409040507 Content-Type: text/plain; name="contract-ncurses.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="contract-ncurses.txt" @(#)contract 1.9 @(#) /shared/sac/arc/ARC-Templates/contract [1.9 10/04/14] CONTRACT ALLOWING/REQUIRING SPECIAL ARRANGEMENTS FOR INTERFACES 0. Number: LSARC/2008/524-01 1. This contract is between a SUPPLIER of INTERFACES and a CONSUMER of those INTERFACES, both of whom are entities within Oracle. 2. The SUPPLIER (definer and/or implementor) is identified by the following: Product or Bundle: Solaris Consolidation: JDS Department or Group: Desktop Bugster Product/Category/SubCategory: jds/gnome/applications Responsible Manager: Leo Binchy (leo.binchy@oracle.com) 3. The CONSUMER is identified by the following: Product or Bundle: Solaris Install Consolidation: OS/Net Department or Group: Admin/Install Bugster Product/Category/SubCategory: opensolaris/installer Responsible Manager: Dana Barsan (dana.barsan@oracle.com) 4. The INTERFACES are: /usr/gnu/lib/libncurses.so.5 Volatile 5. The ARC controlling these INTERFACES is: PSARC (LSARC originally) 6. The CASE describing (Exporting) these INTERFACES is: LSARC 2008/524 7. The following SPECIAL ARRANGEMENTS are made which modify the rules imposed by the stability levels listed in section 4 above: _Y_ 7a. Although the stability level doesn't normally restrict it, SUPPLIER promises to only modify INTERFACES in an incompatible way as follows: The SUPPLIER will modify INTERFACES in an incompatible way in a Patch release of Solaris for security purposes only. The SUPPLIER will modify INTERFACES in an incompatible way in a Minor release of Solaris only when Desktop Components require it. _N_ 7b. Although the stability level doesn't normally allow it, CONSUMER will expose INTERFACES to a PARTNER, which is external to Oracle, namely: Name of Company: Name of Department or Group within Company: Responsible Manager: _N_ 7c. Although the stability level doesn't normally allow it, CONSUMER will import INTERFACES from a separate consolidation. _N_ 7d. If SUPPLIER decides to change (including replace or remove) any portion of the INTERFACES, SUPPLIER will notify CONSUMER of the proposed new version, no later than the application for ARC approval of the new version. If SUPPLIER and CONSUMER are contained in the same consolidation, they have the option of arranging for simultaneous conversion to the new interfaces. If this is not possible, or if they are not in the same consolidation, then SUPPLIER will either make best effort to work with CONSUMER so that CONSUMER can detect which version of INTERFACES is being supplied, or else SUPPLIER will make best effort to supply both old and new versions of INTERFACES. If SUPPLIER cannot make both versions of INTERFACES available, and SUPPLIER and CONSUMER cannot devise a method whereby CONSUMER can detect which version of INTERFACES is being supplied, and the old version of CONSUMER will not run with the new version of SUPPLIER, then either the EOL process must be followed by SUPPLIER, or else a major release of SUPPLIER will be required, or the change will not be allowed. 8. If CONSUMER requires changes in INTERFACES, SUPPLIER will make best effort to accommodate such changes, which shall then be treated in accordance with paragraph 7 above. 9. Notwithstanding paragraphs 7 and 8, a change to any portion of the INTERFACES shall be regarded as a completely new set of INTERFACES which require both ARC approval and execution of a new contract. 10. SUPPLIER and CONSUMER agree that evolution of INTERFACES shall be handled as follows: SUPPLIER informs CONSUMER of changes as early as possible before SUPPLIER WOS integration. If the SUPPLIER needs to change the interface they are free to do so. The CONSUMER must be notified, but does not need to approve the change. If the SUPPLIER make an incompatible change to the interface, the version number of the shared library will be incremented. The previous version of the shared library will be maintained for a period of one minor release. After that period, the SUPPLIER is free to remove the old version of the library from the system. The CONSUMER's product supports Solaris Next (i.e., Nevada). If a future version of the O/S includes an incompatible change to this interface, the consumer may need to ship a patched version of it's product to support that O/S. 11. SUPPLIER and CONSUMER agree that INTERFACES will be supported as follows: SUPPLIER and CONSUMER report problems through Bugtraq using gnome/applications. SUPPLIER should maintain the sub category. 12. SUPPLIER and CONSUMER agree that INTERFACES will be documented as follows: All general ncurses information will be documented at the community webset (http://www.gnu.org/software/ncurses/). SUPPLIER specific changes will be documented by the ncurses ARC case (LSARC/2008/524). 13. SUPPLIER and CONSUMER agree that changes to the INTERFACES will be tested as follows: The SUPPLIER will unit test the interfaces. 14. SUPPLIER and CONSUMER agree that this contract can be terminated as follows: If CONSUMER no longer uses the interfaces, the CONSUMER should inform the SUPPLIER, and the contract can be terminated. 15. This contract is not valid until "signed" via agreement from the SUPPLIER and CONSUMER, and approved by the ARC CASE referenced by this contract. E-mail agreement to the contract should be archived in the mail archive of CASE; verbal agreement to the contract should be noted in the meeting minutes. This contract remains valid until superseded or invalidated. For SUPPLIER: Leo Binchy Date: For CONSUMER: Dana Barsan Date: For ARC: John Fischer Date: A copy of this contract shall be deposited in the CASE directory as "contract-" or in a "contracts" subdirectory. 16. (Not to be filled in until superseded or invalidated.) This contract was superseded or invalidated by CASE: For ARC: Date: --------------070706030806070409040507-- From - Mon Jun 21 15:49:24 2010 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Received: from [129.156.220.40] (/129.156.220.40) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Mon, 21 Jun 2010 02:33:42 -0700 Message-ID: <4C1F325D.4050504@oracle.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 10:35:25 +0100 From: Leontine Binchy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS sun4u; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100510 Lightning/1.0b1 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Fischer CC: Dana Barsan , Sue Sohn Subject: Re: ncurses and text installer contract References: <4C1A9A96.6050406@oracle.com> <4C1B5825.6070202@oracle.com> <4C1B8201.2070106@oracle.com> In-Reply-To: <4C1B8201.2070106@oracle.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Approved On 06/18/10 03:26 PM, John Fischer wrote: > Leo, > > You are correct. I meant to fill that in prior to sending to you > guys. I > couldn't decide exactly how I wanted to word the documentation section. > I have added that the interfaces in general would be documented by the > community and the Oracle specific changes by the ARC case. > > John > > > On 06/18/10 04:27 AM, Leontine Binchy wrote: >> John, >> >> In general it looks good, except that question 12 is unanswered. >> >> Leo >> >> On 06/17/10 10:58 PM, John Fischer wrote: >>> Leo and Dana, >>> >>> As you might know the text-installer uses ncurses by virtue of >>> Python 2.6. Python 2.6 is an Uncommitted interface so the >>> text-installer can use it. However, since ncurses is a Volatile >>> interface we need to execute a contract for the text-installer >>> to use it. >>> >>> Please review the attached contract and provide feedback >>> or respond stating that the contract is acceptable. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> John >>> >> > From - Mon Jun 21 15:49:24 2010 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Received: from [129.145.154.71] (/129.145.154.71) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Mon, 21 Jun 2010 07:14:14 -0700 Message-ID: <4C1F73B4.9090709@oracle.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 07:14:12 -0700 From: Dana Barsan User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090910) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Fischer CC: Leontine Binchy , Sue Sohn Subject: Re: ncurses and text installer contract References: <4C1A9A96.6050406@oracle.com> <4C1B5825.6070202@oracle.com> <4C1B8201.2070106@oracle.com> In-Reply-To: <4C1B8201.2070106@oracle.com> Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Approved.

On 06/18/10 07:26, John Fischer wrote:
Leo,

You are correct.  I meant to fill that in prior to sending to you guys.  I
couldn't decide exactly how I wanted to word the documentation section.
I have added that the interfaces in general would be documented by the
community and the Oracle specific changes by the ARC case.

John


On 06/18/10 04:27 AM, Leontine Binchy wrote:
John,

In general it looks good, except that question 12 is unanswered.

Leo

On 06/17/10 10:58 PM, John Fischer wrote:
Leo and Dana,

As you might know the text-installer uses ncurses by virtue of
Python 2.6.  Python 2.6 is an Uncommitted interface so the
text-installer can use it.  However, since ncurses is a Volatile
interface we need to execute a contract for the text-installer
to use it.

Please review the attached contract and provide feedback
or respond stating that the contract is acceptable.

Thanks,

John