From John.Fischer@sun.com Mon Nov 3 16:07:43 2008 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mA407gFO026448 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 16:07:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id mA407cHH027604 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:LSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:07:41 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K9S004018CT4500@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:07:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.98.31]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K9S00KVC8CSJAE0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:07:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id mA407eFo012092 for ; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 00:07:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K9S00K018CMJW00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from John.Fischer@Sun.COM) for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:07:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from 129.145.154.66 ([129.145.154.66]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K9S00ASS8CR2E30@mail-amer.sun.com> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:07:39 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:07:39 -0800 From: John Fischer Subject: Eclipse LSARC/2008/626... Sender: John.Fischer@sun.com To: Alexandre.Iline@sun.com Cc: LSARC-ext@sun.com Reply-to: John.Fischer@sun.com Message-id: <1225757258.50565.36.camel@sr1-umpk-16> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6.301 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 Status: RO Content-Length: 175 Alexandre, Can we get a package map or the IPS equivalent to see what you are doing in regards to installation? Please group the components by package names. Thanks, John From Alexandre.Iline@sun.com Tue Nov 4 07:12:25 2008 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mA4FCOkL018014 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 07:12:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id mA4FCJd7012257 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:LSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 23:12:22 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K9T0012RE8JOY00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 07:12:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.98.31]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K9T00IJYE8G5RA0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 07:12:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id mA4FCGF9004619 for ; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 15:12:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K9T00001D7BD900@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Alexandre.Iline@Sun.COM) for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 08:12:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from alex-laptop.local ([93.100.125.12]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K9T00MCNE803870@mail-amer.sun.com> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 08:12:09 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 17:12:00 +0300 From: "Alexandre (Shura) Iline" Subject: Re: Eclipse LSARC/2008/626... In-reply-to: <1225757258.50565.36.camel@sr1-umpk-16> Sender: Alexandre.Iline@sun.com To: John.Fischer@sun.com Cc: LSARC-ext@sun.com Reply-to: Alexandre.Iline@sun.com Message-id: <200811041712.01782.alexandre.iline@sun.com> Organization: SUN Microsystems MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <1225757258.50565.36.camel@sr1-umpk-16> User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 Status: RO Content-Length: 408 Hi, John. We were going to deliver one single package which contains the whole Eclipse. There were no package map planned - just one single package. Shura. On Tuesday 04 November 2008 03:07:39 John Fischer wrote: > Alexandre, > > Can we get a package map or the IPS equivalent to > see what you are doing in regards to installation? > Please group the components by package names. > > Thanks, > > John From tom.childers@sun.com Tue Nov 4 08:42:47 2008 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mA4Gglrh019514 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 08:42:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id mA4Ggkmi042751 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:LSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:42:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K9T00407IFAU000@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 08:42:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from sca-es-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.43.132]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K9T002DDIF9XE40@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 08:42:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-sfbay-09.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id mA4GgjZa005190 for ; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 08:42:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-09.sun.com by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K9T00M01HCG1X00@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> (original mail from tom.childers@sun.com) for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 08:42:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from labnis-qfe4.SFBay.Sun.COM ([75.101.10.233]) by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K9T00LDDIEZ89A0@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 08:42:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 08:42:32 -0800 From: Tom Childers Subject: Issues for LSARC 2008/626 Eclipse For Java Developers In-reply-to: <49076F73.6030507@Sun.com> Sender: Thomas.Childers@sun.com To: Michael Kearney Cc: LSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_RnVYcpJKaQk0YyXviddjuw)" X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <49076F73.6030507@Sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 46990 --Boundary_(ID_RnVYcpJKaQk0YyXviddjuw) Content-type: text/plain; delsp=yes; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE I'm sorry I couldn't get this out yesterday. tdc00 - is this distro being included with OpenSolaris, or is it = =20 simply a port that is being "made available" for OpenSolaris? (FOSS = =20 checklist section 6.1 suggests that this is a port being delivered on= =20 the eclipse.org web site.) tdc01 - which Eclipse package is proposed, the JEE version, or the = =20 Java version? (eclipse.org has packages 84 -162MB in size!) If JEE, = =20 which app server is included? tdc02 - FOSS checklist, section 3.1.2, if you need a newer version of= =20 SWT, you will have to package it. What else does Eclipse require than= =20 the delivered SWT provides? tdc03 - is Eclipse 100% Java, or are there 64-bit issues with C/C++ = =20 components? tdc04 - FOSS section 3.4, doesn't Eclipse include an automatic update= =20 facility that is a network service? tdc05 - FOSS section 3.4.5, we need to understand any UI's involving = =20 passwords. For example, are CLI's CLIP-compliant? tdc06 - FOSS section 4.1, what are versions for imported interfaces? = =20 Where are they coming from, and are they packaged inside Eclipse? tdc07 - FOSS section 4.2, what is "GTK" tdc08 - what are plans to keep this distro up to date? How will new = =20 Eclipse releases get into OpenSolaris, and can a user simply download= =20 an update and overlay it on the installation that you are providing = =20 with OpenSolaris? =09 Tom Childers Sr. Staff Engineer Sun Microsystems, Inc. SOA/Business Integration Engineering Phone x31943/+1 415-226-3398 Mobile +1 415-272-3565 Fax +1 415-226-3398 Email Tom.Childers@Sun.COM On Oct 28, 2008, at 1:00 PM, Michael Kearney wrote: > 1.0 Project Information > > > Eclipse is one of the most popular open source Java IDE. > > The current version of Eclipse is 3.4 (a.k.a. Ganymede) at = =20 > the time > of this case. > > Eclipse IDE is an open source project handled by Eclipse =20 > community. > > > 1.1 Name of project/component > > Eclipse IDE. > > 1.2 Author of document > > Alexandre (Shura) Iline (alexandre.iline@sun.com) > > 2.0 Project Summary > 2.1 Project Description > > Eclipse is an Java IDE > > 2.2 Release binding > What is is the release binding? > (see http://opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/policies/release= -taxonomy/) > [X] Major > [ ] Minor > [ ] Patch or Micro > [ ] Unknown -- ARC review required > > 2.3 Type of project > Is this case a Linux Familiarity project? > [ ] Yes > [X] No > > 2.4 Originating Community > 2.4.1 Community Name > Eclipse > > 2.4.2 Community Involvement > Indicate Sun's involvement in the community > [ ] Maintainer > [ ] Contributor > [X] Monitoring > > Will the project team work with the upstream community to = =20 > resolve > architectural issues of interest to Sun? > [X] Yes > [ ] No - briefly explain > > Will we or are we forking from the community? > [ ] Yes - ARC review required prior to forking > [X] No > > 3.0 Technical Description > 3.1 Installation & Sharable > 3.1.1S Solaris Installation - section only required for Solaris= =20 > Software > (see http://opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/policies/install= -locations/=20 > for details) > Does this project follow the Install Locations best practice? > [X] Yes > [ ] No - ARC review required > > Does this project install into /usr under [sbin|bin|lib|=20 > include|man|share]? > [ ] Yes > [X] No or N/A > > Does this project install into /opt? > [ ] Yes - explain below > [X] No or N/A > > Does this project install into a different directory structur= e? > [X] Yes - ARC review required > The project installs into /usr/eclipse. > > Eclipse installation is an executor with a set of auxiliary files, = =20 > such as archives, configuration files, etc. > > It is assumed that the executor resides within the overall =20 > installation dir. > > [ ] No or N/A > > Do any of the components of this project conflict with =20 > anything under /usr? > (see http://opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/caselog/2007/047= / =20 > for details) > [ ] Yes - explain below > [X] No > > If conflicts exist then will this project install under /usr/= =20 > gnu? > [ ] Yes > [ ] No - ARC review required > [X] N/A > > Is this project installing into /usr/sfw? > [ ] Yes - ARC review required > [X] No > > 3.1.1W Windows Installation - section only required for Windows= =20 > Software > (see http://sac.sfbay/WSARC/2002/494 for details) > Does this project install software into a > :\Program Files\Sun\ or = :=20 > \Sun\ > directory? > [ ] Yes > [ ] No - ARC review required > > Does the project use the Windows registry? > [ ] Yes > [ ] No - ARC review required > > Does the project use > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Sun Microsystems\\ > for the registry key? > [ ] Yes > [ ] No - ARC review required > > Is the project's stored location > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Sun Microsystems\= =20 > \\Path? > [ ] Yes > [ ] No - ARC review required > > 3.1.2 Share and Sharable > Does the module include any components that are used or share= d =20 > by > other projects? > [X] Yes > > Eclipse project includes some java libraries which could be used = =20 > outside of Eclipse. It also includes one native library: SWT. > > [ ] No > > If yes are these components packaged to be shared with the = =20 > other FOSS? > [ ] Yes > [X] No - ARC review required > [ ] N/A > > Are these components already in the Solaris WOS? > [X] Yes > or planned to be. SWT library, JUnit library. > [ ] No - continue with next section (section 3.2) > > If yes are these newer versions being delivered? > [ ] Yes > [ ] No - ARC review required > Not sure what the answer should be ... > Eclipse 3.4 requires newer SWT than planned to be delivered into = =20 > Solaris. Eclipse also requires more than the delivered SWT provides= . > > If yes are the newer versions replacing the existing versions= ? > [ ] Yes > [X] No - ARC review required > > No, since we were not able to get an agreement to upgrade SWT to = =20 > newer version. > > 3.2 Exported Libraries > Are libraries being delivered by this project? > [ ] Yes > [X] No - continue with next section (section 3.3) > > Are 64-bit versions of the libraries being delivered? > [ ] Yes > [ ] No - ARC review required > > Are static versions of the libraries being delivered? > [ ] Yes - ARC review required > [ ] No > > 3.3 Services and the /etc Directory > (see http://opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/policies/SMF-pol= icy/) > Does the project integrate anything into /etc/init.d or /etc/= =20 > rc?.d? > [ ] Yes - ARC review required > [X] No > > Does the project integrate any new entries into /etc/inittab = or > /etc/inetd.conf? > [ ] Yes - ARC review required > [X] No > > Does the project integrate any private non-public files into = /=20 > etc/default > or /etc/ configuration files? > [ ] Yes - ARC review required > [X] No > > Does the service manifests method context grant rights above = =20 > that > of the noaccess user and basic privilege set? > [ ] Yes - ARC review required > [X] No > > 3.4 Security > 3.4.1 Secure By Default > (see http://opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/policies/secure-= by-default/=20 > for details) > (see http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/policies/NIT= S-policy/=20 > for details) > (see parts of http://opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/policie= s/SMF-policy/=20 > for > addtional details) > Are there any network services provided by this project? > [ ] Yes > [X] No - continue with the next section (section 3.4.2) > > Are network services enabled by default? > [ ] Yes - ARC review required > [ ] No > [ ] N/A > > Are network services automatically enabled by the project = =20 > during installation? > [ ] Yes - ARC review required > [ ] No > [ ] N/A > > Are inbound network communications denied by default? > [ ] Yes > [ ] No - ARC review required > [ ] N/A > > Is inbound data checked to prevent content-based attacks? > [ ] Yes > [ ] No - ARC review required > [ ] N/A > > Is the outbound receiver authenticated? > [ ] Yes > [ ] No - ARC review required > [ ] N/A > > Is the receiver authenticated prior to receiving any sensitiv= e =20 > outbound communication? > [ ] Yes > [ ] No - ARC review required > [ ] N/A > > 3.4.2 Authorization > (see http://opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/bestpractices/rb= ac-intro/=20 > and > http://opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/bestpractices/rbac-p= rofiles/=20 > and > http://opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/bestpractices/rbac-p= rofiles/ > for details) > Are there any setuid/setgid privileged binaries in the projec= t? > [ ] Yes - ARC review required > [X] No - continue with next section (section 3.4.3) > > If yes then are the setuid/setgid privileges handled by the = =20 > use of roles? > [ ] Yes > [ ] No - ARC review required > > 3.4.3 Auditing > (see http://opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/policies/audit-p= olicy/=20 > for details) > (see http://opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/caselog/2003/397= =20 > for details) > Does this component contain administrative or security =20 > enforcing software? > [ ] Yes - ARC review required > [X] No - continue to next section (section 3.4.4) > > (see http://opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/caselog/2003/397= =20 > for details) > Do the components create audit logs detailing what took place= =20 > including what event > took place, who was involved, when the event took place? > [ ] Yes - ARC contract and Audit project team review required > [ ] No - ARC review required > > > 3.4.4 Authentication > (see http://opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/policies/PAM/) > Do the components contain any authentication code? > [ ] Yes > [X] No - continue to next section (section 3.4.5) > > If yes do the components use PAM (plugable authentication = =20 > modules) for authentication? > [ ] Yes > [ ] No - ARC review required > > If yes is a single PAM session maintained during authenticati= on? > [ ] Yes > [ ] No - ARC review required > > If yes are the components sufficiently privileged to allow th= e =20 > requested > operations (authentication, password change, process =20 > credential manipulation, > audit state initialization)? > [ ] Yes - briefly describe below > [ ] No - ARC review required > > 3.4.5 Passwords > (see http://opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/bestpractices/pa= sswords-cli/=20 > and > http://opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/bestpractices/pa= sswords-files/=20 > for details) > Do any of the components for the project deal with passwords? > [X] Yes > Eclipse now includes the "Secure storage" system. =C2 This is a new= =20 > integrated framework intended for caching passwords > [ ] No - continue to next section (section 3.4.6) > > If yes are these passwords entered via the CLI or environment= ? > [ ] Yes - ARC review required > [ ] No > > Are passwords stored within the file system for the component= ? > [ ] Yes > [ ] No - continue to next section (section 3.4.6) > > If yes are the permissions on the file such to protect =20 > exposing the password(s)? > [ ] Yes > [ ] No - ARC review required > > 3.4.6 General Security Questions > (see http://opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/bestpractices/se= curity-questions/=20 > for details) > Are there any network protocols used by this project? > [X] Yes > [ ] No - continue with the next section (section 3.5) > > Do the components use standard network protocols? > [X] Yes > [ ] No - ARC review required > > Do network services for the project make decisions based upon= =20 > user, host or > service identities? > [ ] Yes - explain below > [X] No > [ ] N/A > > Do the components make use of secret information during =20 > authentication and/or > authorization? > [ ] Yes - explain below > [X] No > [ ] N/A > > 3.5 Networking > Do the components access the network? > [X] Yes > [ ] No - continue with the next section (section 3.6) > > If yes do the components support IPv6? > [X] Yes > [ ] No - ARC review required > > 3.6 Core Solaris Components > Do the components of this project compete with or duplicate c= ore > Solaris components? > [ ] Yes - ARC review required > [X] No > > Examples of Core Solaris Components include but are not =20 > limited to: > > Secure By Default > Authorizations > PAM -- Plugable Authentication Module > Privilege > PRM -- Process Rights Management -- Privilege > Audit > xVm -- Virtualization > zones / Solaris Containers > PRM -- Process Rights Management > RBAC -- Role Based Access Control > TX / Trusted Extensions > ZFS > SMF -- Service Management Facility > FMA -- Fault Management Architecture > SCF -- Smart Card Facility > IPsec > > 4.0 Interfaces > (see http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/policies/interfa= ce-taxonomy/=20 > for details) > 4.1 Exported Interfaces > > Interface Name Classification Comments > --------------------------- ------------------- =20 > --------------------------- > eclipse Uncommitted Package > /usr/eclipse Uncommitted Installation = =20 > directory > eclipse Uncommitted Commandline syn= tax > SWT Uncommitted Library > JUnit Uncommitted Java library > Eclipse platform Uncommitted Set of Java = =20 > libraries > > 4.2 Imported Interfaces > Interface Name Classification Comments > --------------------------- -------------------- =20 > -------------------------- > j6dev Committed Package > GTK ??? Library > > > References: > > [1] http://www.eclipse.org > [2] http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/packages/eclipse-ide-java-deve= lopers/ganymedesr1 > > > =09 Michael Kearney > Staff Software Engineer > > Sun Microsystems, Inc. > MS UBRM05-390, 500 Eldorado Blvd > Broomfield, CO 80021 US > Phone 303-272-2402 > Fax 303-272-6554 > Email Michael.Kearney@Sun.COM > --Boundary_(ID_RnVYcpJKaQk0YyXviddjuw) Content-type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE I'm sorry I couldn't get th= is out yesterday.


tdc00 - is this d= istro being included with OpenSolaris, or is it simply a port that is= being "made available" for OpenSolaris?  (FOSS checklist sectio= n 6.1 suggests that this is a port being delivered on the eclipse.org= web site.)

tdc01 - which Eclipse package is propo= sed, the JEE version, or the Java version?  (eclipse.org has pac= kages 84 -162MB in size!) If JEE, which app server is included?<= /div>

tdc02 - FOSS checklist, section 3.1.2, if yo= u need a newer version of SWT, you will have to package it. What else= does Eclipse require than the delivered SWT provides?

=
tdc03 - is Eclipse 100% Java, or are there 64-bit issues w= ith C/C++ components?

tdc04 - FOSS section 3= .4, doesn't Eclipse include an automatic update facility that is a ne= twork service?

tdc05 - FOSS section 3.4.5, w= e need to understand any UI's involving passwords. For example, are C= LI's CLIP-compliant?

tdc06 - FOSS section 4.= 1, what are versions for imported interfaces? Where are they coming f= rom, and are they packaged inside Eclipse?

t= dc07 - FOSS section 4.2, what is "GTK"

tdc08= - what are plans to keep this distro up to date? How will new Eclips= e releases get into OpenSolaris, and can a user simply download an up= date and overlay it on the installation that you are providing with O= penSolaris?

 
Tom Childe= rs
Sr. Staff Engineer

Sun Microsystems, Inc.=
SOA/Business Integration Engineering
Phone x31943/+1 415-226= -3398
Mobile +1 415-272-3565
Fax +1 415-226-3398
Email Tom.Childers@Sun.COM
=

On Oct 28, = 2008, at 1:00 PM, Michael Kearney wrote:

1.0 Project Information


  &= nbsp;     Eclipse is one of the most popular open= source Java IDE.
   
   &nbs= p;    The current version of Eclipse is 3.4 (a.k.a. Ga= nymede) at the time
        of= this case.

    Eclipse IDE is an open source= project handled by Eclipse community.


1.1 Name of proj= ect/component

    Eclipse IDE.

1.2 A= uthor of document

    Alexandre (Shura) Iline= (alexandre.iline@sun.com)
=
2.0 Project Summary
  2.1 Project Description

=     Eclipse is an Java IDE
 
  2.2 = Release binding
      What is is the rel= ease binding?
      (see http://opensolari= s.org/os/community/arc/policies/release-taxonomy/)
 &nbs= p;    [X] Major
      [ ]= Minor
      [ ] Patch or Micro
&nbs= p;     [ ] Unknown -- ARC review required
  2.3 Type of project
      Is th= is case a Linux Familiarity project?
    &nbs= p; [ ] Yes
      [X] No

  = 2.4 Originating Community
    2.4.1 Community Name=
    Eclipse
   
 &nb= sp;  2.4.2 Community Involvement
    &nb= sp; Indicate Sun's involvement in the community
   = ;   [ ] Maintainer
      [ ] C= ontributor
      [X] Monitoring
&nbs= p;    
      Will t= he project team work with the upstream community to resolve
 = ;     architectural issues of interest to Sun?       [X] Yes
    = ;  [ ] No - briefly explain
      <= br>       Will we or are we forking from the= community?
      [ ] Yes - ARC review r= equired prior to forking
      [X] No      
3.0 Technical Description
&= nbsp; 3.1 Installation & Sharable
    3.1.1S S= olaris Installation - section only required for Solaris Software
=       (see http://opensolaris.org/os/communit= y/arc/policies/install-locations/ for details)
  &n= bsp;   Does this project follow the Install Locations best = practice?
      [X] Yes
  = ;    [ ] No - ARC review required
  &nbs= p;  
      Does this project = install into /usr under [sbin|bin|lib|include|man|share]?
 &= nbsp;    [ ] Yes
      [X= ] No or N/A
     
   = ;   Does this project install into /opt?
  &n= bsp;   [ ] Yes - explain below
    =   [X] No or N/A
     
 &n= bsp;    Does this project install into a different dir= ectory structure?
      [X] Yes - ARC re= view required
The project installs into /usr/eclipse.

Ec= lipse installation is an executor with a set of auxiliary files, such= as archives, configuration files, etc.

It is assumed that t= he executor resides within the overall installation dir.

&nb= sp;     [ ] No or N/A
    = ; 
      Do any of the components = of this project conflict with anything under /usr?
  &n= bsp;   (see http://opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/caselog/2007/047/<= /a> for details)
      [ ] Yes - explain= below
      [X] No
  &nbs= p;  
      If conflicts exist= then will this project install under /usr/gnu?
   = ;   [ ] Yes
      [ ] No - ARC= review required
      [X] N/A
 = ;    
      Is this= project installing into /usr/sfw?
     = [ ] Yes - ARC review required
      [X]= No
     
    3.1.1W= Windows Installation - section only required for Windows Software       (see http://sac.sfbay/WSARC/2002/494 for details)
  &nb= sp;   Does this project install software into a
 =      <system drive>:\Program Files\Sun\<pro= duct> or <system drive>:\Sun\<product>
   &n= bsp;  directory?
      [ ] Yes
=       [ ] No - ARC review required
 = ;    
      Does th= e project use the Windows registry?
     = ; [ ] Yes
      [ ] No - ARC review requ= ired
     
    =   Does the project use
      HKEY_= LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Sun Microsystems\<product>\<version>
=       for the registry key?
  = ;    [ ] Yes
      [ ] No= - ARC review required
     
 =      Is the project's stored location
 &= nbsp;    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Sun Microsystems\= <product id>\<version id>\Path?
    &nb= sp; [ ] Yes
      [ ] No - ARC review re= quired
     
    3.1= .2 Share and Sharable
      Does the mod= ule include any components that are used or shared by
 &nbs= p;    other projects?
    &nbs= p; [X] Yes

Eclipse project includes some java libraries whic= h could be used outside of Eclipse. It also includes one native libra= ry: SWT.

      [ ] No
 &nb= sp; 
      If yes are these compon= ents packaged to be shared with the other FOSS?
   = ;   [ ] Yes
      [X] No - ARC= review required
      [ ] N/A
 = ;  
      Are these component= s already in the Solaris WOS?
      [X] = Yes
or planned to be. SWT library, JUnit library.
  = ;    [ ] No - continue with next section (section 3.2)=
   
      If yes ar= e these newer versions being delivered?
    &= nbsp; [ ] Yes
      [ ] No - ARC review = required
Not sure what the answer should be ...
Eclipse 3.4 r= equires newer SWT than planned to be delivered into Solaris. Eclipse = also requires more than the delivered SWT provides.
  &= nbsp;  
      If yes are the = newer versions replacing the existing versions?
   = ;   [ ] Yes
      [X] No - ARC= review required

No, since we were not able to get an agreem= ent to upgrade SWT to newer version.

  3.2 Exported Lib= raries
      Are libraries being deliver= ed by this project?
      [ ] Yes
&n= bsp;     [X] No - continue with next section (sec= tion 3.3)
     
   &= nbsp;  Are 64-bit versions of the libraries being delivered?
=       [ ] Yes
    &= nbsp; [ ] No - ARC review required
   
 =      Are static versions of the libraries being d= elivered?
      [ ] Yes - ARC review req= uired
      [ ] No
  &nbs= p;  
  3.3 Services and the /etc Directory
&n= bsp;     (see http://opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/p= olicies/SMF-policy/)
      Does the = project integrate anything into /etc/init.d or /etc/rc?.d?
 =      [ ] Yes - ARC review required
 &nbs= p;    [X] No
     
&= nbsp;     Does the project integrate any new entr= ies into /etc/inittab or
      /etc/inet= d.conf?
      [ ] Yes - ARC review requi= red
      [X] No
   &= nbsp; 
      Does the project inte= grate any private non-public files into /etc/default
  =     or /etc/ configuration files?
  &nbs= p;   [ ] Yes - ARC review required
   &n= bsp;  [X] No
     
  = ;    Does the service manifests method context grant r= ights above that
      of the noaccess u= ser and basic privilege set?
      [ ] Y= es - ARC review required
      [X] No        
  3.4 Security=
    3.4.1 Secure By Default
  &nbs= p;   (see http://opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/policies/s= ecure-by-default/ for details)
     = (see http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/policies/NITS-policy/<= /a> for details)
      (see parts of http://open= solaris.org/os/community/arc/policies/SMF-policy/ for
 &= nbsp;     addtional details)
  &nbs= p;   Are there any network services provided by this projec= t?
      [ ] Yes
   &= nbsp;  [X] No - continue with the next section (section 3.4.2)      
     = Are network services enabled by default?
    = ;  [ ] Yes - ARC review required
    &nb= sp; [ ] No
      [ ] N/A
  = ;   
      Are network s= ervices automatically enabled by the project during installation?
=       [ ] Yes - ARC review required
&nb= sp;     [ ] No
     = [ ] N/A
     
   &n= bsp;  Are inbound network communications denied by default?
=       [ ] Yes
    &n= bsp; [ ] No - ARC review required
      = [ ] N/A
     
   &nb= sp;  Is inbound data checked to prevent content-based attacks?       [ ] Yes
    = ;  [ ] No - ARC review required
    &nbs= p; [ ] N/A
     
   =    Is the outbound receiver authenticated?
  =     [ ] Yes
      [ ] No = - ARC review required
      [ ] N/A
=      
      Is= the receiver authenticated prior to receiving any sensitive outbound= communication?
      [ ] Yes
 =      [ ] No - ARC review required
  = ;    [ ] N/A
     
&= nbsp;   3.4.2 Authorization
    &nb= sp; (see http://opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/bestpractices/rbac-intr= o/ and
       http://opensolaris= .org/os/community/arc/bestpractices/rbac-profiles/ and
 =       http://opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/bes= tpractices/rbac-profiles/
      = ;     for details)
    &n= bsp; Are there any setuid/setgid privileged binaries in the project?<= br>       [ ] Yes - ARC review required
=       [X] No - continue with next section (s= ection 3.4.3)
     
  &nb= sp;   If yes then are the setuid/setgid privileges handled = by the use of roles?
      [ ] Yes
&= nbsp;     [ ] No - ARC review required

&= nbsp;   3.4.3 Auditing
      (= see h= ttp://opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/policies/audit-policy/ for= details)
      (see http://opensolaris.org/os/comm= unity/arc/caselog/2003/397 for details)
   &nb= sp;  Does this component contain administrative or security enfo= rcing software?
      [ ] Yes - ARC revi= ew required
      [X] No - continue to n= ext section (section 3.4.4)
     
&= nbsp;     (see http://opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/casel= og/2003/397 for details)
      Do th= e components create audit logs detailing what took place including wh= at event
      took place, who was invol= ved, when the event took place?
      [ = ] Yes - ARC contract and Audit project team review required
 = ;     [ ] No - ARC review required
 &nbs= p;     
     &= nbsp; 
    3.4.4 Authentication
 &n= bsp;    (see http://opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/policies/PAM/)
      Do the components contain any a= uthentication code?
      [ ] Yes
&n= bsp;     [X] No - continue to next section (secti= on 3.4.5)
     
   &= nbsp;  If yes do the components use PAM (plugable authentication= modules) for authentication?
      [ ] = Yes
      [ ] No - ARC review required      
     = If yes is a single PAM session maintained during authentication?
=       [ ] Yes
    &= nbsp; [ ] No - ARC review required
     =
      If yes are the components suffic= iently privileged to allow the requested
    = ;  operations (authentication, password change, process credenti= al manipulation,
      audit state init= ialization)?
      [ ] Yes - briefly des= cribe below
      [ ] No - ARC review re= quired
     
    3.4= .5 Passwords
      (see http://opensolar= is.org/os/community/arc/bestpractices/passwords-cli/ and
&nbs= p;          http://ope= nsolaris.org/os/community/arc/bestpractices/passwords-files/ for = details)
      Do any of the components = for the project deal with passwords?
    &nbs= p; [X] Yes
Eclipse now includes the "Secure storage" system. = =C2 This is a new integrated framework intended for caching pass= words
      [ ] No - continue to next se= ction (section 3.4.6)
     
 &= nbsp;    If yes are these passwords entered via the CL= I or environment?
      [ ] Yes - ARC re= view required
      [ ] No
 &nb= sp;   
      Are passwor= ds stored within the file system for the component?
  &= nbsp;   [ ] Yes
      [ ] No -= continue to next section (section 3.4.6)
    = ; 
      If yes are the permission= s on the file such to protect exposing the password(s)?
 &nb= sp;    [ ] Yes
      [ ] = No - ARC review required
     
&nbs= p;   3.4.6 General Security Questions
   = ;   (see http://opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/bestp= ractices/security-questions/ for details)
   &= nbsp;  Are there any network protocols used by this project?
=       [X] Yes
    &= nbsp; [ ] No - continue with the next section (section 3.5)
 = ;    
      Do the = components use standard network protocols?
   &nbs= p;  [X] Yes
      [ ] No - ARC revi= ew required
     
   = ;   Do network services for the project make decisions base= d upon user, host or
      service iden= tities?
      [ ] Yes - explain below       [X] No
    &= nbsp; [ ] N/A
     
  &nb= sp;   Do the components make use of secret information duri= ng authentication and/or
      authoriza= tion?
      [ ] Yes - explain below
=       [X] No
    &nb= sp; [ ] N/A
 
  3.5 Networking
  &nb= sp;   Do the components access the network?
  = ;    [X] Yes
      [ ] No= - continue with the next section (section 3.6)
   = ;  
      If yes do the compo= nents support IPv6?
      [X] Yes
&= nbsp;     [ ] No - ARC review required
 =         
  3.6 Core= Solaris Components
      Do the compone= nts of this project compete with or duplicate core
  &= nbsp;   Solaris components?
    &nb= sp; [ ] Yes - ARC review required
      = [X] No
     
   &nb= sp;  Examples of Core Solaris Components include but are not lim= ited to:
     
   &n= bsp;    Secure By Default
    =     Authorizations
     &= nbsp;  PAM -- Plugable Authentication Module
  &nb= sp;     Privilege
    &nb= sp;   PRM -- Process Rights Management -- Privilege
&nb= sp;       Audit
   &= nbsp;    xVm -- Virtualization
   &= nbsp;    zones / Solaris Containers
  &n= bsp;     PRM -- Process Rights Management
&nb= sp;       RBAC -- Role Based Access Con= trol
        TX / Trusted Exte= nsions
        ZFS
 &= nbsp;      SMF -- Service Management Facilit= y
        FMA -- Fault Managem= ent Architecture
        SCF -= - Smart Card Facility
        = IPsec
       
4.0 Interfa= ces
  (see http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/p= olicies/interface-taxonomy/ for details)
  4.1 Exported = Interfaces
 
    Interface Name &nb= sp;      Classification    &n= bsp; Comments
    --------------------------- ----= --------------- ---------------------------
    ec= lipse          &nbs= p;          Uncommitted&= nbsp;        Package
 &nb= sp;  /usr/eclipse        = ;        Uncommitted  &n= bsp;      Installation directory
 &= nbsp;  eclipse        &n= bsp;           = ; Uncommitted         Command= line syntax
    SWT     &= nbsp;          &nbs= p;        Uncommitted  &= nbsp;      Library
    JU= nit           =             Un= committed         Java librar= y
    Eclipse platform    &nbs= p;       Uncommitted   &= nbsp;     Set of Java libraries
  &= nbsp;
  4.2 Imported Interfaces
    Inte= rface Name        Classification &= nbsp;     Comments
    -------= -------------------- -------------------- --------------------------<= br>     j6dev       = ;           &n= bsp;    Committed      &= nbsp;     Package
    GTK = ;           &n= bsp;           = ; ???          &nbs= p;       Library
   =

References:

[1] http://www= .eclipse.org
[2] http://www.eclipse.org/download= s/packages/eclipse-ide-java-developers/ganymedesr1


<= td height=3D"121" width=3D"98"><= /a>
Michael Kearney
Staff Software = Engineer

Sun Microsystems, Inc.
MS UBRM= 05-390, 500 Eldorado Blvd
Broomfield, CO 80021 US
Phone 303-2= 72-2402
Fax 303-272-6554
Email Michael.Kearney@Sun.COM
<Michael_Kearney.vcf>

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I believe this is incorrect, as Eclipse now includes the "Secure storage" system. This is a new integrated framework intended for caching passwords -- notably for CVS, which is part of the core bundle. mm1: Regarding core components (i.e. those components expected to be installed in the core distribution and not available as part of a plugin download); SWT and it's JNI dependencies suggest further interface declaration. Notably, GTK+, I believe. Support and maintenance of this piece of core functionality has been spotty in the past, so perhaps I can only offer advice here. If the intent is to deliver (and track) the core Eclipse distribution, then I think it is important to not paint the user in a corner regarding this core component. Having up-to-date SWT libraries has been a challenge in the past. Use of alternate distributions of the Eclipse platform for Solaris/OpenSolaris was often very limited as many additional plugin tools or updates required newer versions of some of the core SWT libraries, and these were often unavailable and had to be compiled by hand (and certainly included dependencies on graphic libraries). mm99: Which distribution is this intended to deliver? "Eclipse IDE for Java developers"? "Eclipse Classic"? Are other modules, such as "Eclipse for C/C++" to be included? I suspect the answer here might mean a fuller interface disclosure. mm98: As mentioned in the meeting, how is plugin downloading handled? This may not be the team's responsibility, perhaps, as this is more a question regarding the distribution and should probably be asked of the Indiana team. Does the team intend to make a bundle available for download via the upstream repositories as well? --Boundary_(ID_6n/eLwVDdQJUlMsU3RhHdQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline
For the record, the issues I shared with the team.

mm0  In the ARC 20q, the answer for section 3.4.5 regarding storage of passwords was "no".  I believe this is incorrect, as Eclipse now includes the "Secure storage" system.  This is a new integrated framework intended for caching passwords -- notably for CVS, which is part of the core bundle.

mm1: Regarding core components (i.e. those components expected to be installed in the core distribution and not available as part of a plugin download); SWT and it's JNI dependencies suggest further interface declaration.  Notably, GTK+, I believe.  Support and maintenance of this piece of core functionality has been spotty in the past, so perhaps I can only offer advice here.  If the intent is to deliver (and track) the core Eclipse distribution, then I think it is important to not paint the user in a corner regarding this core component.  Having up-to-date SWT libraries has been a challenge in the past.  Use of alternate distributions of the Eclipse platform for Solaris/OpenSolaris was often very limited as many additional plugin tools or updates required newer versions of some of the core SWT libraries, and these were often unavailable and had to be compiled by hand (and certainly included dependencies on graphic libraries)! .

mm99: Which distribution is this intended to deliver?  "Eclipse IDE for Java developers"?  "Eclipse Classic"?  Are other modules, such as "Eclipse for C/C++" to be included?  I suspect the answer here might mean a fuller interface disclosure.

mm98: As mentioned in the meeting, how is plugin downloading handled?  This may not be the team's responsibility, perhaps, as this is more a question regarding the distribution and should probably be asked of the Indiana team.  Does the team intend to make a bundle available for download via the upstream repositories as well?

 --Boundary_(ID_6n/eLwVDdQJUlMsU3RhHdQ)-- From John.Fischer@Sun.COM Tue Nov 4 08:54:18 2008 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mA4GsIGi019991 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 08:54:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id mA4GsG6T007669 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:LSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 08:54:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K9T00M39IYFAY00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 08:54:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.98.43]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K9T00JAUIYB5X90@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 08:54:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id mA4GsBEE019203 for ; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:54:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K9T00E01IKKKZ00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from John.Fischer@Sun.COM) for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 09:54:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from 129.145.154.66 ([129.145.154.66]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K9T0059VIXQJC10@mail-amer.sun.com> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 09:53:51 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 08:53:50 -0800 From: John Fischer Subject: Re: Eclipse LSARC/2008/626... In-reply-to: <200811041712.01782.alexandre.iline@sun.com> Sender: John.Fischer@Sun.COM To: Alexandre.Iline@Sun.COM Cc: John Fischer , LSARC-ext@Sun.COM Reply-to: John.Fischer@Sun.COM Message-id: <1225817629.50565.53.camel@sr1-umpk-16> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6.301 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <1225757258.50565.36.camel@sr1-umpk-16> <200811041712.01782.alexandre.iline@sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 1113 Alexandre, 1 package is fine. What are the contents of that package? The new materials really do not give me any more information to make a decision. By the way I have added the below issues to the issue file in the case directory. Thanks, John jhf-6 pkgmap requested jhf-7 SWT needs to be packaged separately. jhf-8 SWT 64-bit library necessary jhf-9 This project uses JUnit. Why can it not use the JUnit from LSARC/2008/633? jhf-9 Security questionnaire needed. jhf-10 How are the passwords stored? Are they stored in a file on disk? How are the passwords entered? (section 3.4.5) On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 06:12, Alexandre (Shura) Iline wrote: > Hi, John. > > We were going to deliver one single package which contains the whole Eclipse. > > There were no package map planned - just one single package. > > Shura. > > On Tuesday 04 November 2008 03:07:39 John Fischer wrote: > > Alexandre, > > > > Can we get a package map or the IPS equivalent to > > see what you are doing in regards to installation? > > Please group the components by package names. > > > > Thanks, > > > > John > > From Mark.Carlson@sun.com Tue Nov 4 08:57:44 2008 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mA4GvhIe020057 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 08:57:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id mA4GvhA7009007 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:LSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 08:57:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K9T00E15J47A300@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 09:57:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.98.31]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K9T00A69J466750@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 09:57:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id mA4GvgAe020539 for ; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:57:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K9T00A01IY5IL00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Mark.Carlson@Sun.COM) for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 09:57:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from Macintosh-252.local ([129.150.35.91]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K9T00K17J43I900@mail-amer.sun.com> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 09:57:40 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 09:57:35 -0700 From: "Mark A. Carlson" Subject: Re: Issues for LSARC 2008/626 Eclipse For Java Developers In-reply-to: Sender: Mark.Carlson@sun.com To: Mark Martin Cc: LSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <49107EFF.40501@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_CI22mZvShc/G81m2R9ntKw)" X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) Status: RO Content-Length: 4920 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_CI22mZvShc/G81m2R9ntKw) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I added these to the issues file. -- mark Mark Martin wrote: > For the record, the issues I shared with the team. > > mm0 In the ARC 20q, the answer for section 3.4.5 regarding storage of > passwords was "no". I believe this is incorrect, as Eclipse now > includes the "Secure storage" system. This is a new integrated > framework intended for caching passwords -- notably for CVS, which is > part of the core bundle. > > mm1: Regarding core components (i.e. those components expected to be > installed in the core distribution and not available as part of a > plugin download); SWT and it's JNI dependencies suggest further > interface declaration. Notably, GTK+, I believe. Support and > maintenance of this piece of core functionality has been spotty in the > past, so perhaps I can only offer advice here. If the intent is to > deliver (and track) the core Eclipse distribution, then I think it is > important to not paint the user in a corner regarding this core > component. Having up-to-date SWT libraries has been a challenge in > the past. Use of alternate distributions of the Eclipse platform for > Solaris/OpenSolaris was often very limited as many additional plugin > tools or updates required newer versions of some of the core SWT > libraries, and these were often unavailable and had to be compiled by > hand (and certainly included dependencies on graphic libraries)! . > > mm99: Which distribution is this intended to deliver? "Eclipse IDE > for Java developers"? "Eclipse Classic"? Are other modules, such as > "Eclipse for C/C++" to be included? I suspect the answer here might > mean a fuller interface disclosure. > > mm98: As mentioned in the meeting, how is plugin downloading handled? > This may not be the team's responsibility, perhaps, as this is more a > question regarding the distribution and should probably be asked of > the Indiana team. Does the team intend to make a bundle available for > download via the upstream repositories as well? > --Boundary_(ID_CI22mZvShc/G81m2R9ntKw) Content-type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I added these to the issues file.

-- mark

Mark Martin wrote:
For the record, the issues I shared with the team.

mm0  In the ARC 20q, the answer for section 3.4.5 regarding storage of passwords was "no".  I believe this is incorrect, as Eclipse now includes the "Secure storage" system.  This is a new integrated framework intended for caching passwords -- notably for CVS, which is part of the core bundle.

mm1: Regarding core components (i.e. those components expected to be installed in the core distribution and not available as part of a plugin download); SWT and it's JNI dependencies suggest further interface declaration.  Notably, GTK+, I believe.  Support and maintenance of this piece of core functionality has been spotty in the past, so perhaps I can only offer advice here.  If the intent is to deliver (and track) the core Eclipse distribution, then I think it is important to not paint the user in a corner regarding this core component.  Having up-to-date SWT libraries has been a challenge in the past.  Use of alternate distributions of the Eclipse platform for Solaris/OpenSolaris was often very limited as many additional plugin tools or updates required newer versions of some of the core SWT libraries, and these were often unavailable and had to be compiled by hand (and certainly included dependencies on graphic libraries)! .

mm99: Which distribution is this intended to deliver?  "Eclipse IDE for Java developers"?  "Eclipse Classic"?  Are other modules, such as "Eclipse for C/C++" to be included?  I suspect the answer here might mean a fuller interface disclosure.

mm98: As mentioned in the meeting, how is plugin downloading handled?  This may not be the team's responsibility, perhaps, as this is more a question regarding the distribution and should probably be asked of the Indiana team.  Does the team intend to make a bundle available for download via the upstream repositories as well?

--Boundary_(ID_CI22mZvShc/G81m2R9ntKw)-- From Alexandre.Iline@sun.com Tue Nov 4 10:08:19 2008 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mA4I8JqX025471 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:08:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id mA4I8IoQ026357 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:LSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:08:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K9T0060LMDULS00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 10:08:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com ([192.18.98.34]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K9T003YHMDTNB10@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 10:08:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id mA4I8HUm017851 for ; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:08:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K9T00301LCUC800@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Alexandre.Iline@Sun.COM) for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 11:08:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from alex-laptop.local ([93.100.125.12]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K9T00MCFMDLFU50@mail-amer.sun.com> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 11:08:11 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:08:09 +0300 From: "Alexandre (Shura) Iline" Subject: Re: Eclipse LSARC/2008/626... In-reply-to: <1225817629.50565.53.camel@sr1-umpk-16> Sender: Alexandre.Iline@sun.com To: John.Fischer@sun.com Cc: LSARC-ext@sun.com Reply-to: Alexandre.Iline@sun.com Message-id: <200811042108.09532.alexandre.iline@sun.com> Organization: SUN Microsystems MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <1225757258.50565.36.camel@sr1-umpk-16> <200811041712.01782.alexandre.iline@sun.com> <1225817629.50565.53.camel@sr1-umpk-16> User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 Status: RO Content-Length: 1389 Ah - sorry. Now I get it. I will be able to provide the info tomorrow when I get into the office. Today is a public holiday in Russia. Shura. On Tuesday 04 November 2008 19:53:50 John Fischer wrote: > Alexandre, > > 1 package is fine. What are the contents of that package? > The new materials really do not give me any more information > to make a decision. > > By the way I have added the below issues to the issue file > in the case directory. > > Thanks, > > John > > jhf-6 pkgmap requested > > jhf-7 SWT needs to be packaged separately. > > jhf-8 SWT 64-bit library necessary > > jhf-9 This project uses JUnit. Why can it not > use the JUnit from LSARC/2008/633? > > jhf-9 Security questionnaire needed. > > jhf-10 How are the passwords stored? Are they stored in a > file on disk? How are the passwords entered? (section 3.4.5) > > On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 06:12, Alexandre (Shura) Iline wrote: > > Hi, John. > > > > We were going to deliver one single package which contains the whole > > Eclipse. > > > > There were no package map planned - just one single package. > > > > Shura. > > > > On Tuesday 04 November 2008 03:07:39 John Fischer wrote: > > > Alexandre, > > > > > > Can we get a package map or the IPS equivalent to > > > see what you are doing in regards to installation? > > > Please group the components by package names. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > John From Alexandre.Iline@Sun.COM Mon Nov 10 05:54:48 2008 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mAADslKX010505 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 05:54:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id mAADsl44014366 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:LSARC-ext@sun.com>; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 05:54:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KA40060VENBX800@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 05:54:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.98.43]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KA4003RQEN86J30@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 05:54:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id mAADsiuS026111 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:54:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KA400I01E820T00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Alexandre.Iline@Sun.COM) for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 06:54:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from d-espb04-127-133.russia.sun.com ([129.159.127.133]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KA40068ZEMSWSC0@mail-amer.sun.com> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 06:54:33 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:54:19 +0300 From: "Alexandre (Shura) Iline" Subject: LSARC 2008/626 (Eclipse for Java developers) issues. Sender: Alexandre.Iline@Sun.COM To: Michael Kearney , Mark Carlson , LSARC-ext@Sun.COM Reply-to: Alexandre.Iline@Sun.COM Message-id: <200811101654.19291.alexandre.iline@sun.com> Organization: SUN Microsystems MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_LtcRdjB6mC7l4upU4pHl9w)" X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 X-Length: 258191 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 Status: RO Content-Length: 256211 --Boundary_(ID_LtcRdjB6mC7l4upU4pHl9w) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline LSARC member, Here are the answers for the issues: jhf-0 Eclipse for Java Developers jhf-1 Section 2.2 describes the release binding for the project. The answer to the question states that eclipse it is a Major release. Is that correct? Yes What is the delivery mechanism for this project? Through download page http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/ or through OS packaging systems (similar to IPS). Is it a Minor release of Solaris? I do not understand this question. jhf-2 Yes. jhf-3 Yes, plenty. The pkg map is attached. jhf-4 Both, although SVR4 package name should not manifest itself through IPS, as I understand it. jhf-5 Installed JDK - this is mentioned in the interface table. mhm-1 I am not sure what "consolidation" means. mhm-2 Java SDK environment vesion 6. j6dev as opposed to j6re (runtime environment), I assume. mhm-3 As I can see, many packages are named like this, including netbeans: http://pkg.opensolaris.org mhm-4 There is no man page if you install it from Eclipse download site. Ubuntu distribution provides one (attached). tdc00 It is port which is made available. tdc01 Eclipse for Java Developers, according to http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/ tdc02 We are working with the team which delivered SWT to Solaris. tdc03 It is not pure Java - it has SWT and launcher which is not Java. No known issues with 64-bit architecture. tdc04 There is an auto-update functionality. Expect a separate note on this. tdc05 There is no CLI in an IDE other than some auxiliary tools. IDE is a UI. tdc06 The latest available - there is no specific version requirement. tdc07 GTK is The GNOME Toolkit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gtk) tdc08 We will update the packages after new major releases go out. See a separate note on autoupdate. jhf-6 attached jhf-7, jhf-8 We're working with the correspondent team. jhf-9 This may require changes in Eclipse source code. We want to minimize it. It is done the same on Ubuntu. jhf-9 Submitted already jhf-10 See additional info on password storage. mm0 Yes that was a mistake. Fixed already. mm1 We were told we have to package SWT separately or use the existing one. We're working on this. mm99 Eclipse For Java Developer mm98 See a separate note on update functionality. 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For example, when the workspace contains=0D=0A = plug-ins being developed, specifying -dev bin adds a class= path=0D=0A entry for each plug-in project=E2=80=99s dire= ctory named bin, allowing=0D=0A freshly generated cl= ass files to be found there. Redundant or=0D=0A non-exi= stent classpath entries are eliminated.=0D=0A=0D=0A -endSplash = =0D=0A Specifies the command to use to take do= wn the splash screen.=0D=0A Typically supplied by the= Eclipse executable.=0D=0A=0D=0A -feature =0D=0A = The identifier of the product being run. This controls v= arious=0D=0A branding information and what application i= s used.=0D=0A=0D=0A -framework =0D=0A Th= e URL location of the OSGi framework. Useful if the Eclipse=0D= =0A install is disjoint.=0D=0A=0D=0A -initialize= =0D=0A Initializes the configuration being run. All = runtime related=0D=0A data structures and caches are = refreshed. Any user/plug-in=0D=0A defined configurati= on data is not purged. No application is run,=0D=0A any = product specifications are ignored and no UI is presented=0D=0A = (e.g., the splash screen is not drawn)=0D=0A=0D=0A -= install =0D=0A The install location of the pla= tform. This setting indicates the=0D=0A location of the = basic Eclipse plug-ins and is useful if the=0D=0A E= clipse install is disjoint.=0D=0A=0D=0A -keyring =0D=0A The location of the authorization database (o= r "key ring" file)=0D=0A on disk. This argument must be = used in conjunction with the=0D=0A -password option= . Relative paths are interpreted relative to the=0D=0A d= irectory that Eclipse was started from.=0D=0A=0D=0A -name =0D=0A The name to be displayed in task bar item when= the application=0D=0A starts up. When not set, the na= me is the name of the executable.=0D=0A=0D=0A -nl =0D= =0A Defines the name of the locale on which the Eclipse = platform is=0D=0A running. The Eclipse platform ordi= narily computes the optimal=0D=0A setting automatically.= If specified here, this is the value that=0D=0A the Ecl= ipse platform uses. The value specified here is available=0D=0A = to plug-ins as BootLoader.getNL(). Example values: "en_US" = and=0D=0A "fr_FR_EURO".=0D=0A=0D=0A You need to in= stall additonal language strings, before that works! Such=0D=0A = strings are available in the eclipse-i18n package.=0D=0A=0D=0A = -noExit=0D=0A The VM will not exit after the eclipse a= pplication has ended.=0D=0A This is useful for exa= mining the OSGi framework after the=0D=0A eclipse app= lication has ended.=0D=0A=0D=0A -noLazyRegistryCacheLoading= =0D=0A The platform=E2=80=99s plug-in registry cache lo= ading optimization is=0D=0A deactivated. By default, = configuration elements are loaded from=0D=0A the registr= y cache (when available) only on demand, reducing=0D=0A = memory footprint. This option forces the registry cache to be= =0D=0A fully loaded at startup.=0D=0A=0D=0A -noReg= istryCache=0D=0A The internal extension registry cache i= s neither read or written=0D=0A=0D=0A -nosplash=0D=0A = Runs the platform without putting up the splash screen.=0D=0A= =0D=0A -os =0D=0A Defines the o= perating system on which the Eclipse platform is=0D=0A = running. The Eclipse platform ordinarily computes the optimal=0D= =0A setting using the prevailing value of Java os.name = property. If=0D=0A specified here, this is the value t= hat the Eclipse platform=0D=0A uses. The value specif= ied here is available to plug-ins as Boot=E2=80=90=0D=0A = Loader.getOS(), and used to resolve occurrences of the $os$= =0D=0A variable in paths mentioned in the plug-in manif= est file. Exam=E2=80=90=0D=0A ple values: "win32", "linu= x", "hpux", "solaris", "aix".=0D=0A=0D=0A -password = =0D=0A The password for the authorization database. Used= in conjunction=0D=0A with the -keyring option.=0D=0A= =0D=0A -perspective =0D=0A The per= spective to open in the active workbench window on=0D=0A = startup. If this parameter is not specified, the perspecti= ve=0D=0A that was active on shutdown will be opened.= =0D=0A=0D=0A -plugincustomization =0D=0A = The location of a properties file containing default settin= gs=0D=0A for plug-in preferences. These default settings= override default=0D=0A settings specified in the pri= mary feature. Relative paths are=0D=0A interpreted relat= ive to the directory that eclipse was started=0D=0A fr= om.=0D=0A=0D=0A -product =0D=0A The ID= of the product to run. The product gives the launched=0D=0A = instance of Eclipse its personality, and determines the prod= uct=0D=0A customization information used. This replaces = -feature, which is=0D=0A still supported for compatibili= ty.=0D=0A=0D=0A -refresh=0D=0A Option for performi= ng a global refresh of the workspace on=0D=0A star= tup. This will reconcile any changes that were made in the=0D=0A = file system since the platform was last run.=0D=0A=0D=0A = -showlocation=0D=0A Option for displaying the locat= ion of the workspace in the win=E2=80=90=0D=0A dow tit= le bar. In release 2.0 this option only worked in con=E2=80=90=0D= =0A junction with the -data command line argument.=0D= =0A=0D=0A -showSplash =0D=0A Specifies th= e command to use to show the splash screen. Typi=E2=80=90=0D=0A = cally supplied by the Eclipse executable.=0D=0A=0D=0A = -startup =0D=0A The location of jar used to = startup eclipse. The jar referred to=0D=0A must have the= Main-Class attribute set. If this parameter is not=0D=0A = set, the startup.jar located in the same folder than the exe= =E2=80=90=0D=0A cutable is used.=0D=0A=0D=0A -user= =0D=0A The location of the user area. The = user area contains data=0D=0A (e.g., preferences) s= pecific to the OS user and independent of=0D=0A any Ecli= pse install, configuration or instance.=0D=0A=0D=0A -vm =0D=0A The location of Java Runtime executable to u= se to run the=0D=0A Eclipse platform. Relative pa= ths are interpreted relative to=0D=0A the directory that= eclipse was started from.=0D=0A=0D=0A -vmargs =0D=0A = When passed to the Eclipse, this option is used to customiz= e the=0D=0A operation of the Java VM used to run Eclipse= . If specified, this=0D=0A option must come at the end o= f the command line. The given argu=E2=80=90=0D=0A ments = are dependant on VM that is being run.=0D=0A=0D=0A -ws =0D=0A The window system value. The value should= be one of the Eclipse=0D=0A window system names known t= o Eclipse (e.g., win32, motif, ...).=0D=0A=0D=0ANOTES=0D=0A Ec= lipse will search for a java virtual machine in this order: VM given= =0D=0A with the "-vm " argument, $JAVA_HOME/b= in/java from=0D=0A $HOME/.eclipse/eclipserc and then in t= he environment and at last use=0D=0A /usr/bin/java.=0D=0A=0D= =0ASEE ALSO=0D=0A java(1)=0D=0A=0D=0AFILES=0D=0A Configur= ation file is $HOME/.eclipse/eclipserc, error log in=0D= =0A /.metadata/.log, where is the p= ath to your=0D=0A workspace.=0D=0A=0D=0ABUGS=0D=0A Eclip= se has a bugzilla, which can be found at bugs.eclipse.org.=0D=0A=0D= =0AAUTHOR=0D=0A This manual page was written by Takashi Okamoto= , for=0D=0A the Debian GNU/Linux system (but= may be used by others). 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41983 1225522817 1 d none plugins/tmp/com/jcraft/jsch/jgss 0777 root bin 1 f none plugins/tmp/com/jcraft/jsch/jgss/GSSContextKrb5.class 0666 root bin 3773 34435 1225522817 1 f none plugins/tmp/plugin.properties 0666 root bin 619 45565 1225522816 1 d none readme 0777 root bin 1 f none readme.txt 0666 root bin 73 6874 1225522802 1 f none readme/readme_eclipse.html 0666 root bin 109731 40009 1225522802 --Boundary_(ID_LtcRdjB6mC7l4upU4pHl9w)-- From Alexandre.Iline@sun.com Mon Nov 10 05:55:23 2008 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mAADtMhi010528 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 05:55:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id mAADtGV4002738 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:LSARC-ext@sun.com>; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:55:22 +0800 (SGT) Received: from 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LSARC-ext@sun.com); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 06:55:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from d-espb04-127-133.russia.sun.com ([129.159.127.133]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KA400ADOEO3IUG0@mail-amer.sun.com> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 06:55:17 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:55:06 +0300 From: "Alexandre (Shura) Iline" Subject: Clarification on Eclipse autoupdate functionality. LSARC 2008/626 Sender: Alexandre.Iline@sun.com To: LSARC-ext@sun.com Reply-to: Alexandre.Iline@sun.com Message-id: <200811101655.06547.alexandre.iline@sun.com> Organization: SUN Microsystems MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 X-Length: 1139 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 Status: RO Content-Length: 457 Hi. So, here are my findings. There is a way to set up an automatic update, so that the IDE automatically checks available updates for the plugins. If is off by default. When IDE is executed by a user (not root) the plugins you install are stored withing user dir (in the, so called, "workspace" directory). When IDE is exected from under root, the existing Eclipse installation is updated. Let me know if there are further questions to it. Shura. From Alexandre.Iline@sun.com Mon Nov 10 05:56:57 2008 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mAADuuAr010969 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 05:56:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id mAADuqU8019584 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:LSARC-ext@sun.com>; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:56:55 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KA400701EQT4N00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 05:56:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.98.31]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KA4003DZEQT6D40@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 05:56:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id mAADuqAw005025 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:56:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KA400M01EIXLZ00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Alexandre.Iline@Sun.COM) for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 06:56:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from d-espb04-127-133.russia.sun.com ([129.159.127.133]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KA40048NEQNRB00@mail-amer.sun.com> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 06:56:49 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:56:38 +0300 From: "Alexandre (Shura) Iline" Subject: Clarification on Eclipse secure storage system. (LSARC 2008/626) Sender: Alexandre.Iline@sun.com To: LSARC-ext@sun.com Reply-to: Alexandre.Iline@sun.com Message-id: <200811101656.38484.alexandre.iline@sun.com> Organization: SUN Microsystems MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 X-Length: 871 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 Status: RO Content-Length: 188 Hi. Eclipse simply stores encrypted passwords into a file. The file is ~/.eclipse/org.eclipse.equinox.security/secure_storage file. No security issue here as far as I can see. Shura. From John.Fischer@sun.com Mon Nov 10 08:14:21 2008 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mAAGELxp005662 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:14:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id mAAGEJm4064278 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:LSARC-ext@sun.com>; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:14:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KA40080VL3W9L00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:14:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com ([192.18.98.36]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KA4007CCL3WY400@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:14:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id mAAGEKDc021326 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:14:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KA400501J5OBR00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from John.Fischer@Sun.COM) for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:14:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from 129.145.154.66 ([129.145.154.66]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KA4007DBL2JIGC0@mail-amer.sun.com> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:13:35 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:13:31 -0800 From: John Fischer Subject: Re: Clarification on Eclipse secure storage system. (LSARC 2008/626) In-reply-to: <200811101656.38484.alexandre.iline@sun.com> Sender: John.Fischer@sun.com To: Alexandre.Iline@sun.com Cc: LSARC-ext@sun.com Reply-to: John.Fischer@sun.com Message-id: <1226333611.49887.128.camel@sr1-umpk-16> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6.301 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200811101656.38484.alexandre.iline@sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 522 Shura, What are the permissions of the directories and file secure_storage? Assuming that the directories and file permissions are supposed to be readable and writable by the owner only what happens if the permissions are otherwise? Thanks, John On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 05:56, Alexandre (Shura) Iline wrote: > Hi. > > Eclipse simply stores encrypted passwords into a file. > > The file is > ~/.eclipse/org.eclipse.equinox.security/secure_storage file. > > No security issue here as far as I can see. > > Shura. > From John.Fischer@sun.com Mon Nov 10 08:15:56 2008 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mAAGFt3P005676 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:15:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id mAAGFpJ7029184 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:LSARC-ext@sun.com>; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:15:54 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KA40071JL6IM800@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:15:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.98.43]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KA4003J5L6H9MD0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:15:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id mAAGFrCv025839 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:15:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KA400601L2MZY00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from John.Fischer@Sun.COM) for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:15:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from 129.145.154.66 ([129.145.154.66]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KA40064UL4JLRB0@mail-amer.sun.com> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:14:43 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:14:42 -0800 From: John Fischer Subject: Re: Clarification on Eclipse autoupdate functionality. LSARC 2008/626 In-reply-to: <200811101655.06547.alexandre.iline@sun.com> Sender: John.Fischer@sun.com To: Alexandre.Iline@sun.com Cc: LSARC-ext@sun.com Reply-to: John.Fischer@sun.com Message-id: <1226333682.49887.130.camel@sr1-umpk-16> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6.301 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200811101655.06547.alexandre.iline@sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 671 Shura, So by default the automatic update facility is turned on for the Open Solaris IPS install. Correct? Thanks, John On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 05:55, Alexandre (Shura) Iline wrote: > Hi. > > So, here are my findings. > > There is a way to set up an automatic update, so that the IDE automatically > checks available updates for the plugins. If is off by default. > > When IDE is executed by a user (not root) the plugins you install are stored > withing user dir (in the, so called, "workspace" directory). When IDE is > exected from under root, the existing Eclipse installation is updated. > > Let me know if there are further questions to it. > > Shura. From John.Fischer@sun.com Mon Nov 10 08:18:32 2008 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mAAGIVNx005690 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:18:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id mAAGIPSx000476 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:LSARC-ext@sun.com>; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:18:30 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KA400K07LATN300@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:18:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.98.31]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KA400JHFLAT0230@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:18:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id mAAGISkU005496 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:18:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KA400701L3PPZ00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from John.Fischer@Sun.COM) for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:18:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from 129.145.154.66 ([129.145.154.66]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KA4004LPLAGVH40@mail-amer.sun.com> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:18:17 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:18:16 -0800 From: John Fischer Subject: Re: LSARC 2008/626 (Eclipse for Java developers) issues. In-reply-to: <200811101654.19291.alexandre.iline@sun.com> Sender: John.Fischer@sun.com To: Alexandre.Iline@sun.com Cc: John Fischer , Michael Kearney , Mark Carlson , LSARC-ext@sun.com Reply-to: John.Fischer@sun.com Message-id: <1226333896.49887.135.camel@sr1-umpk-16> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6.301 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200811101654.19291.alexandre.iline@sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 3246 Shura, Thanks for responding to the issues list. I haven't digested all the answers to my issues yet. I'll run through the answers again and get back to you. A couple of things jump out at me from the package map... First, the installation uses dot directories to hide things. Is this a result of how eclipse installs on other platforms or is this something that this project is introducing? Second, the installation uses a temporary directory called tmp. Is this the result of how eclipse installs on other platforms or or is this something that this project is introducing? Thanks, John On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 05:54, Alexandre (Shura) Iline wrote: > LSARC member, > > Here are the answers for the issues: > > > jhf-0 > Eclipse for Java Developers > > jhf-1 > Section 2.2 describes the release binding for the project. The answer to the > question states that eclipse it is a Major release. Is that correct? > > Yes > > What is the delivery mechanism for this project? > > Through download page http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/ or through OS > packaging systems (similar to IPS). > > Is it a Minor release of Solaris? > > I do not understand this question. > > jhf-2 > > Yes. > > jhf-3 > > Yes, plenty. The pkg map is attached. > > jhf-4 > > Both, although SVR4 package name should not manifest itself through IPS, as I > understand it. > > jhf-5 > > Installed JDK - this is mentioned in the interface table. > > mhm-1 > > I am not sure what "consolidation" means. > > mhm-2 > > Java SDK environment vesion 6. > j6dev as opposed to j6re (runtime environment), I assume. > > mhm-3 > > As I can see, many packages are named like this, including netbeans: > http://pkg.opensolaris.org > > mhm-4 > > There is no man page if you install it from Eclipse download site. Ubuntu > distribution provides one (attached). > > tdc00 > > It is port which is made available. > > tdc01 > > Eclipse for Java Developers, according to http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/ > > tdc02 > > We are working with the team which delivered SWT to Solaris. > > tdc03 > > It is not pure Java - it has SWT and launcher which is not Java. No known > issues with 64-bit architecture. > > tdc04 > > There is an auto-update functionality. Expect a separate note on this. > > tdc05 > > There is no CLI in an IDE other than some auxiliary tools. IDE is a UI. > > tdc06 > > The latest available - there is no specific version requirement. > > tdc07 > > GTK is The GNOME Toolkit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gtk) > > tdc08 > > We will update the packages after new major releases go out. > See a separate note on autoupdate. > > jhf-6 > > attached > > jhf-7, jhf-8 > > We're working with the correspondent team. > > jhf-9 > > This may require changes in Eclipse source code. We want to minimize it. > It is done the same on Ubuntu. > > jhf-9 > > Submitted already > > > jhf-10 > > See additional info on password storage. > > mm0 > > Yes that was a mistake. Fixed already. > > mm1 > > We were told we have to package SWT separately or use the existing one. We're > working on this. > > mm99 > > Eclipse For Java Developer > > mm98 > > See a separate note on update functionality. > > Shura. > From roehrich@kickball-mn.Central.Sun.COM Mon Nov 10 08:54:04 2008 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mAAGs3X6006305 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:54:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id mAAGs2ib012730 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:LSARC-ext@sun.com>; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:54:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KA400105MY37B00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:54:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from dm-central-01.central.sun.com ([129.147.62.4]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KA400IW0MY2ZY90@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:54:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from kickball-mn.Central.Sun.COM (kickball-mn.Central.Sun.COM [10.1.170.217]) by dm-central-01.central.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id mAAGs19g017485; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:54:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from kickball-mn.Central.Sun.COM (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kickball-mn.Central.Sun.COM (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6) with ESMTP id mAAGkWHv014594; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:46:32 -0600 (CST) Received: (from roehrich@localhost) by kickball-mn.Central.Sun.COM (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6/Submit) id mAAGkV2p014593; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:46:32 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:46:31 -0600 From: Dean Roehrich Subject: Re: LSARC 2008/626 (Eclipse for Java developers) issues. In-reply-to: <200811101654.19291.alexandre.iline@sun.com> To: "Alexandre (Shura) Iline" Cc: Michael Kearney , Mark Carlson , LSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <20081110164631.GA14403@kickball-mn.Central.Sun.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200811101654.19291.alexandre.iline@sun.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Status: RO Content-Length: 1562 On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 04:54:19PM +0300, Alexandre (Shura) Iline wrote: > jhf-1 > Section 2.2 describes the release binding for the project. The answer to the > question states that eclipse it is a Major release. Is that correct? > > Yes > > What is the delivery mechanism for this project? > > Through download page http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/ or through OS > packaging systems (similar to IPS). > > Is it a Minor release of Solaris? > > I do not understand this question. I've found it's always safest to say "Minor", unless you do understand the question. Solaris 9, Solaris 10, Solaris-whatever-comes-next -- those are all "minor" releases. And all questions of "release binding" are with respect to Solaris releases. I have no idea how "major" could ever be used. Now I'm sure the finer points will be explained to us... > jhf-4 > > Both, although SVR4 package name should not manifest itself through IPS, as I > understand it. I think he means your package names should be SUNWeclipse and SUNWeclipse-root (or SUNWeclipseu and SUNWeclipser), rather than simply 'eclipse'. > mhm-1 > > I am not sure what "consolidation" means. He's asking, where do you plan to check-in this code? Are you planning to check this into ON, SFW, Desktop....? > mhm-3 > > As I can see, many packages are named like this, including netbeans: > http://pkg.opensolaris.org I've answered that above, but you also reference a package called 'j6dev'. A closer inspection of pkg.opensolaris.org shows that package is SUNWj6dev, not j6dev. Dean From Alexandre.Iline@Sun.COM Tue Nov 11 00:29:18 2008 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mAB8TIYC011004 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 00:29:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id mAB8TIBx031267 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:LSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 01:29:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KA500E03U8TGT00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 01:29:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.98.31]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KA500CIQU8TE710@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 01:29:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id mAB8THp2001765 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:29:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KA500801U0R1400@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Alexandre.Iline@Sun.COM) for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 01:29:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from d-espb04-127-133.russia.sun.com ([129.159.127.133]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KA500977U8R6M00@mail-amer.sun.com> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 01:29:17 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:28:48 +0300 From: "Alexandre (Shura) Iline" Subject: Re: Clarification on Eclipse autoupdate functionality. =?utf-8?q?LSARC=092008/626?= In-reply-to: <1226333682.49887.130.camel@sr1-umpk-16> Sender: Alexandre.Iline@Sun.COM To: John.Fischer@Sun.COM Cc: LSARC-ext@Sun.COM Reply-to: Alexandre.Iline@Sun.COM Message-id: <200811111128.49119.alexandre.iline@sun.com> Organization: SUN Microsystems MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200811101655.06547.alexandre.iline@sun.com> <1226333682.49887.130.camel@sr1-umpk-16> User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 Status: RO Content-Length: 945 On Monday 10 November 2008 19:14:42 John Fischer wrote: > Shura, > > So by default the automatic update facility is turned > on for the Open Solaris IPS install. Correct? No, the "automatic update" is off. > > If is off by default. > The non-automatic update functionality is on (meaning you can run update by pressing some menu). Shura. > Thanks, > > John > > On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 05:55, Alexandre (Shura) Iline wrote: > > Hi. > > > > So, here are my findings. > > > > There is a way to set up an automatic update, so that the IDE > > automatically checks available updates for the plugins. If is off by > > default. > > > > When IDE is executed by a user (not root) the plugins you install are > > stored withing user dir (in the, so called, "workspace" directory). When > > IDE is exected from under root, the existing Eclipse installation is > > updated. > > > > Let me know if there are further questions to it. > > > > Shura. From Alexandre.Iline@sun.com Tue Nov 11 00:31:44 2008 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mAB8Virs011231 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 00:31:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id mAB8Vh9I010184 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:LSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 00:31:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KA50050FUCVTZ00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 00:31:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com ([192.18.98.34]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KA500LDIUCULW90@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 00:31:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id mAB8VgcA017392 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:31:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KA500H01U8J0Y00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Alexandre.Iline@Sun.COM) for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 01:31:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from d-espb04-127-133.russia.sun.com ([129.159.127.133]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KA500890UCSML40@mail-amer.sun.com> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 01:31:42 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:31:14 +0300 From: "Alexandre (Shura) Iline" Subject: Re: Clarification on Eclipse secure storage system. (=?iso-8859-1?q?LSARC=092008/626?=) In-reply-to: <1226333611.49887.128.camel@sr1-umpk-16> Sender: Alexandre.Iline@sun.com To: John.Fischer@sun.com Cc: LSARC-ext@sun.com Reply-to: Alexandre.Iline@sun.com Message-id: <200811111131.14483.alexandre.iline@sun.com> Organization: SUN Microsystems MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200811101656.38484.alexandre.iline@sun.com> <1226333611.49887.128.camel@sr1-umpk-16> User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 Status: RO Content-Length: 864 On Monday 10 November 2008 19:13:31 John Fischer wrote: > Shura, > > What are the permissions of the directories and > file secure_storage? Assuming that the directories > and file permissions are supposed to be readable and > writable by the owner only what happens if the > permissions are otherwise? I did not check this scenario. This is an unlikely one, though. Normally, ~/.* directories and files are configuration files for some systems or programs, such as .bashrc, for instance. Is there a case when such files are not writeable? Shura. > > Thanks, > > John > > On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 05:56, Alexandre (Shura) Iline wrote: > > Hi. > > > > Eclipse simply stores encrypted passwords into a file. > > > > The file is > > ~/.eclipse/org.eclipse.equinox.security/secure_storage file. > > > > No security issue here as far as I can see. > > > > Shura. From Alexandre.Iline@sun.com Tue Nov 11 00:35:53 2008 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mAB8Zrpk011448 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 00:35:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id mAB8ZmYf000966 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:LSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:35:52 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KA500D03UJQV500@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 00:35:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com ([192.18.98.34]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KA500GW4UJPKIC0@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 00:35:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id mAB8Znmn018557 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:35:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KA500I01UHVXX00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Alexandre.Iline@Sun.COM) for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 01:35:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from d-espb04-127-133.russia.sun.com ([129.159.127.133]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KA5008UBUJIML40@mail-amer.sun.com> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 01:35:44 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:35:15 +0300 From: "Alexandre (Shura) Iline" Subject: Re: LSARC 2008/626 (Eclipse for Java developers) issues. In-reply-to: <1226333896.49887.135.camel@sr1-umpk-16> Sender: Alexandre.Iline@sun.com To: John.Fischer@sun.com Cc: Michael Kearney , Mark Carlson , LSARC-ext@sun.com Reply-to: Alexandre.Iline@sun.com Message-id: <200811111135.15584.alexandre.iline@sun.com> Organization: SUN Microsystems MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200811101654.19291.alexandre.iline@sun.com> <1226333896.49887.135.camel@sr1-umpk-16> User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 Status: RO Content-Length: 3786 On Monday 10 November 2008 19:18:16 John Fischer wrote: > Shura, > > Thanks for responding to the issues list. I haven't > digested all the answers to my issues yet. I'll run > through the answers again and get back to you. > > A couple of things jump out at me from the package map... > First, the installation uses dot directories to hide things. > Is this a result of how eclipse installs on other platforms > or is this something that this project is introducing? The first. This is how Eclipse does it. I have the same layout on Ubuntu. > Second, the installation uses a temporary directory called > tmp. Is this the result of how eclipse installs on other > platforms or or is this something that this project is > introducing? This is my error - thank you for pointing out. I took a pkgmap from an experimental build. My apologies. Please ignore this - the tmp dir does not exist in real one. Shura. > > Thanks, > > John > > On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 05:54, Alexandre (Shura) Iline wrote: > > LSARC member, > > > > Here are the answers for the issues: > > > > > > jhf-0 > > Eclipse for Java Developers > > > > jhf-1 > > Section 2.2 describes the release binding for the project. The answer to > > the question states that eclipse it is a Major release. Is that correct? > > > > Yes > > > > What is the delivery mechanism for this project? > > > > Through download page http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/ or through OS > > packaging systems (similar to IPS). > > > > Is it a Minor release of Solaris? > > > > I do not understand this question. > > > > jhf-2 > > > > Yes. > > > > jhf-3 > > > > Yes, plenty. The pkg map is attached. > > > > jhf-4 > > > > Both, although SVR4 package name should not manifest itself through IPS, > > as I understand it. > > > > jhf-5 > > > > Installed JDK - this is mentioned in the interface table. > > > > mhm-1 > > > > I am not sure what "consolidation" means. > > > > mhm-2 > > > > Java SDK environment vesion 6. > > j6dev as opposed to j6re (runtime environment), I assume. > > > > mhm-3 > > > > As I can see, many packages are named like this, including netbeans: > > http://pkg.opensolaris.org > > > > mhm-4 > > > > There is no man page if you install it from Eclipse download site. Ubuntu > > distribution provides one (attached). > > > > tdc00 > > > > It is port which is made available. > > > > tdc01 > > > > Eclipse for Java Developers, according to > > http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/ > > > > tdc02 > > > > We are working with the team which delivered SWT to Solaris. > > > > tdc03 > > > > It is not pure Java - it has SWT and launcher which is not Java. No known > > issues with 64-bit architecture. > > > > tdc04 > > > > There is an auto-update functionality. Expect a separate note on this. > > > > tdc05 > > > > There is no CLI in an IDE other than some auxiliary tools. IDE is a UI. > > > > tdc06 > > > > The latest available - there is no specific version requirement. > > > > tdc07 > > > > GTK is The GNOME Toolkit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gtk) > > > > tdc08 > > > > We will update the packages after new major releases go out. > > See a separate note on autoupdate. > > > > jhf-6 > > > > attached > > > > jhf-7, jhf-8 > > > > We're working with the correspondent team. > > > > jhf-9 > > > > This may require changes in Eclipse source code. We want to minimize it. > > It is done the same on Ubuntu. > > > > jhf-9 > > > > Submitted already > > > > > > jhf-10 > > > > See additional info on password storage. > > > > mm0 > > > > Yes that was a mistake. Fixed already. > > > > mm1 > > > > We were told we have to package SWT separately or use the existing one. > > We're working on this. > > > > mm99 > > > > Eclipse For Java Developer > > > > mm98 > > > > See a separate note on update functionality. > > > > Shura. From Alexandre.Iline@sun.com Tue Nov 11 07:37:06 2008 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mABFb6Np021650 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:37:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id mABFawuA001054 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:LSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:37:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KA600L0DE1DPV00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:36:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com ([192.18.98.36]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KA600HHDE1C1T50@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:36:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id mABFamEh028339 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:36:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KA600I01D94O400@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Alexandre.Iline@Sun.COM) for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:36:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from d-espb04-127-133.russia.sun.com ([129.159.127.133]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KA6007N0E139I50@mail-amer.sun.com> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:36:41 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:36:07 +0300 From: "Alexandre (Shura) Iline" Subject: Re: LSARC 2008/626 (Eclipse for Java developers) issues. In-reply-to: <20081110164631.GA14403@kickball-mn.Central.Sun.COM> Sender: Alexandre.Iline@sun.com To: Dean Roehrich Cc: Michael Kearney , Mark Carlson , LSARC-ext@sun.com Reply-to: Alexandre.Iline@sun.com Message-id: <200811111836.07348.alexandre.iline@sun.com> Organization: SUN Microsystems MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200811101654.19291.alexandre.iline@sun.com> <20081110164631.GA14403@kickball-mn.Central.Sun.COM> User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 Status: RO Content-Length: 1965 On Monday 10 November 2008 19:46:31 Dean Roehrich wrote: > On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 04:54:19PM +0300, Alexandre (Shura) Iline wrote: > > jhf-1 > > Section 2.2 describes the release binding for the project. The answer to > > the question states that eclipse it is a Major release. Is that correct? > > > > Yes > > > > What is the delivery mechanism for this project? > > > > Through download page http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/ or through OS > > packaging systems (similar to IPS). > > > > Is it a Minor release of Solaris? > > > > I do not understand this question. > > I've found it's always safest to say "Minor", unless you do understand the > question. Solaris 9, Solaris 10, Solaris-whatever-comes-next -- those are > all "minor" releases. And all questions of "release binding" are with > respect to Solaris releases. The release we will be integrating in is not known to me at the moment. So, Minor. > > I have no idea how "major" could ever be used. > > Now I'm sure the finer points will be explained to us... > > > jhf-4 > > > > Both, although SVR4 package name should not manifest itself through IPS, > > as I understand it. > > I think he means your package names should be SUNWeclipse and > SUNWeclipse-root (or SUNWeclipseu and SUNWeclipser), rather than simply > 'eclipse'. Actually the SUNW prefix is not required for IPS system. You can find packages like glassfishv2 or sunstudio - with no prefix. > > > mhm-1 > > > > I am not sure what "consolidation" means. > > He's asking, where do you plan to check-in this code? Are you planning to > check this into ON, SFW, Desktop....? > > > mhm-3 > > > > As I can see, many packages are named like this, including netbeans: > > http://pkg.opensolaris.org > > I've answered that above, but you also reference a package called 'j6dev'. > A closer inspection of pkg.opensolaris.org shows that package is SUNWj6dev, > not j6dev. Yes, this is my mistake - I mean SUNWj6dev. Shura. > > Dean From John.Fischer@sun.com Tue Nov 11 09:00:48 2008 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mABH0mFw023724 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:00:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id mABH0j8w013208 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:LSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:00:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KA600I3THXBWW00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:00:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com ([192.18.98.34]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KA600D0YHX8RP50@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:00:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id mABH0iM5009639 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:00:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KA600901G24IM00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from John.Fischer@Sun.COM) for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:00:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from 129.145.154.66 ([129.145.154.66]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KA6005P1HX1C9G0@mail-amer.sun.com> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:00:38 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:00:37 -0800 From: John Fischer Subject: Re: Clarification on Eclipse secure storage system. (=?iso-8859-1?q?LSARC=092008/626?=) In-reply-to: <200811111131.14483.alexandre.iline@sun.com> Sender: John.Fischer@sun.com To: Alexandre.Iline@sun.com Cc: LSARC-ext@sun.com Reply-to: John.Fischer@sun.com Message-id: <1226422835.49887.150.camel@sr1-umpk-16> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6.301 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200811101656.38484.alexandre.iline@sun.com> <1226333611.49887.128.camel@sr1-umpk-16> <200811111131.14483.alexandre.iline@sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 1927 Shura, Typically these types of directories have permissions of drwx------. Sometimes these directories will have permissions of drwxr-xr-x. Here are a couple of examples from my home directory: drwxr-xr-x 2 johnf staff 512 Mar 16 2005 .desktop/ drwxr-xr-x 2 johnf staff 512 May 22 2003 .dist/ drwxr-xr-x 15 johnf staff 512 Oct 8 09:20 .dt/ Now if there is sensitive data stored within the directories that have the group and other permissions with the read bit set we need to insure that the password file still has some level of protection. Typically these files are only owner readable (-rw------- (0600) or -r-------- (0400)). There are several programs on Solaris that when they notice that the permissions are not 0600 or 0400 will exit or not use the file. Does eclipse provide this level of protection for the password file it stores in the home directory? Thanks, John On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 00:31, Alexandre (Shura) Iline wrote: > On Monday 10 November 2008 19:13:31 John Fischer wrote: > > Shura, > > > > What are the permissions of the directories and > > file secure_storage? Assuming that the directories > > and file permissions are supposed to be readable and > > writable by the owner only what happens if the > > permissions are otherwise? > > I did not check this scenario. This is an unlikely one, though. > > Normally, ~/.* directories and files are configuration files for some systems > or programs, such as .bashrc, for instance. > > Is there a case when such files are not writeable? > > Shura. > > > > > Thanks, > > > > John > > > > On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 05:56, Alexandre (Shura) Iline wrote: > > > Hi. > > > > > > Eclipse simply stores encrypted passwords into a file. > > > > > > The file is > > > ~/.eclipse/org.eclipse.equinox.security/secure_storage file. > > > > > > No security issue here as far as I can see. > > > > > > Shura. > > From Alexandre.Iline@sun.com Tue Nov 11 09:21:16 2008 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mABHLFkm024907 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:21:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id mABHKu47002136 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:LSARC-ext@sun.com>; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 01:21:14 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KA60020JIVCP000@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:21:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.98.43]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KA6000E8IVCS050@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:21:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id mABHLC6d025331 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:21:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KA600601HSK9M00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Alexandre.Iline@Sun.COM) for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:21:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from d-espb04-127-133.russia.sun.com ([129.159.127.133]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KA6001EDIV7CX30@mail-amer.sun.com> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:21:09 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:20:33 +0300 From: "Alexandre (Shura) Iline" Subject: Re: Clarification on Eclipse secure storage system. (=?utf-8?q?LSARC=092008/626?=) In-reply-to: <1226422835.49887.150.camel@sr1-umpk-16> Sender: Alexandre.Iline@sun.com To: John.Fischer@sun.com Cc: LSARC-ext@sun.com Reply-to: Alexandre.Iline@sun.com Message-id: <200811112020.33957.alexandre.iline@sun.com> Organization: SUN Microsystems MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200811101656.38484.alexandre.iline@sun.com> <200811111131.14483.alexandre.iline@sun.com> <1226422835.49887.150.camel@sr1-umpk-16> User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 Status: RO Content-Length: 2321 John, thanks for the explanation. All dirs Eclipse creates in and including ~/.eclipse has 755 permissions. Password file is 644. If I change the permissions to 700 and 600, it is still able to work. Does it answer your question? Shura. On Tuesday 11 November 2008 20:00:37 John Fischer wrote: > Shura, > > Typically these types of directories have permissions of > drwx------. Sometimes these directories will have permissions > of drwxr-xr-x. Here are a couple of examples from my home > directory: > > drwxr-xr-x 2 johnf staff 512 Mar 16 2005 .desktop/ > drwxr-xr-x 2 johnf staff 512 May 22 2003 .dist/ > drwxr-xr-x 15 johnf staff 512 Oct 8 09:20 .dt/ > > Now if there is sensitive data stored within the directories > that have the group and other permissions with the read bit > set we need to insure that the password file still has some > level of protection. Typically these files are only owner > readable (-rw------- (0600) or -r-------- (0400)). There are > several programs on Solaris that when they notice that the > permissions are not 0600 or 0400 will exit or not use the > file. Does eclipse provide this level of protection for > the password file it stores in the home directory? > > Thanks, > > John > > On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 00:31, Alexandre (Shura) Iline wrote: > > On Monday 10 November 2008 19:13:31 John Fischer wrote: > > > Shura, > > > > > > What are the permissions of the directories and > > > file secure_storage? Assuming that the directories > > > and file permissions are supposed to be readable and > > > writable by the owner only what happens if the > > > permissions are otherwise? > > > > I did not check this scenario. This is an unlikely one, though. > > > > Normally, ~/.* directories and files are configuration files for some > > systems or programs, such as .bashrc, for instance. > > > > Is there a case when such files are not writeable? > > > > Shura. > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > John > > > > > > On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 05:56, Alexandre (Shura) Iline wrote: > > > > Hi. > > > > > > > > Eclipse simply stores encrypted passwords into a file. > > > > > > > > The file is > > > > ~/.eclipse/org.eclipse.equinox.security/secure_storage file. > > > > > > > > No security issue here as far as I can see. > > > > > > > > Shura. From John.Fischer@sun.com Tue Nov 11 09:50:46 2008 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mABHojPE026357 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:50:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id mABHoeve004388 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:LSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:50:44 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KA60040DK8J3U00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:50:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.98.31]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KA6000NOK8IS460@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:50:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id mABHogsx018367 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:50:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KA600A01JVN8P00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from John.Fischer@Sun.COM) for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:50:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from 129.145.154.66 ([129.145.154.66]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KA6006EYK849H40@mail-amer.sun.com> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:50:29 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:50:28 -0800 From: John Fischer Subject: Re: Clarification on Eclipse secure storage system. (=?utf-8?q?LSARC=092008/626?=) In-reply-to: <200811112020.33957.alexandre.iline@sun.com> Sender: John.Fischer@sun.com To: Alexandre.Iline@sun.com Cc: John Fischer , LSARC-ext@sun.com Reply-to: John.Fischer@sun.com Message-id: <1226425828.49887.198.camel@sr1-umpk-16> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6.301 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200811101656.38484.alexandre.iline@sun.com> <200811111131.14483.alexandre.iline@sun.com> <1226422835.49887.150.camel@sr1-umpk-16> <200811112020.33957.alexandre.iline@sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 2889 Shura, This partially answers my question. The real problem is that eclipse creates the password file with 644 permissions and the directories with 755 permissions. In my opinion this is too permissive. It should create the file with 600 or 400 and the directories with 700. Let's discuss this with the rest of the committee in 10 minutes. Thanks, John On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 09:20, Alexandre (Shura) Iline wrote: > John, thanks for the explanation. > > All dirs Eclipse creates in and including ~/.eclipse has 755 permissions. > Password file is 644. > > If I change the permissions to 700 and 600, it is still able to work. > > Does it answer your question? > > Shura. > > On Tuesday 11 November 2008 20:00:37 John Fischer wrote: > > Shura, > > > > Typically these types of directories have permissions of > > drwx------. Sometimes these directories will have permissions > > of drwxr-xr-x. Here are a couple of examples from my home > > directory: > > > > drwxr-xr-x 2 johnf staff 512 Mar 16 2005 .desktop/ > > drwxr-xr-x 2 johnf staff 512 May 22 2003 .dist/ > > drwxr-xr-x 15 johnf staff 512 Oct 8 09:20 .dt/ > > > > Now if there is sensitive data stored within the directories > > that have the group and other permissions with the read bit > > set we need to insure that the password file still has some > > level of protection. Typically these files are only owner > > readable (-rw------- (0600) or -r-------- (0400)). There are > > several programs on Solaris that when they notice that the > > permissions are not 0600 or 0400 will exit or not use the > > file. Does eclipse provide this level of protection for > > the password file it stores in the home directory? > > > > Thanks, > > > > John > > > > On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 00:31, Alexandre (Shura) Iline wrote: > > > On Monday 10 November 2008 19:13:31 John Fischer wrote: > > > > Shura, > > > > > > > > What are the permissions of the directories and > > > > file secure_storage? Assuming that the directories > > > > and file permissions are supposed to be readable and > > > > writable by the owner only what happens if the > > > > permissions are otherwise? > > > > > > I did not check this scenario. This is an unlikely one, though. > > > > > > Normally, ~/.* directories and files are configuration files for some > > > systems or programs, such as .bashrc, for instance. > > > > > > Is there a case when such files are not writeable? > > > > > > Shura. > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 05:56, Alexandre (Shura) Iline wrote: > > > > > Hi. > > > > > > > > > > Eclipse simply stores encrypted passwords into a file. > > > > > > > > > > The file is > > > > > ~/.eclipse/org.eclipse.equinox.security/secure_storage file. > > > > > > > > > > No security issue here as far as I can see. > > > > > > > > > > Shura. > > From John.Fischer@sun.com Wed Nov 12 07:08:11 2008 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mACF8BUf012600 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 07:08:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id mACF8Axb017124 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:LSARC-ext@sun.com>; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 07:08:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KA800E1D7DMKS00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@Sun.COM); Wed, 12 Nov 2008 07:08:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.98.43]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KA8003IG7DHYGD0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@Sun.COM); Wed, 12 Nov 2008 07:08:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id mACF85ME009933 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:08:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KA8006016Y14100@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from John.Fischer@Sun.COM) for LSARC-ext@Sun.COM (ORCPT LSARC-ext@Sun.COM); Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:08:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from 129.145.154.66 ([129.145.154.66]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KA800ABI7D4GD30@mail-amer.sun.com> for LSARC-ext@Sun.COM (ORCPT LSARC-ext@Sun.COM); Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:07:53 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 07:07:52 -0800 From: John Fischer Subject: Re: Clarification on Eclipse secure storage system. (LSARC=092008/626) In-reply-to: <1226425828.49887.198.camel@sr1-umpk-16> Sender: John.Fischer@sun.com To: Alexandre.Iline@sun.com Cc: John Fischer , LSARC-ext@sun.com Reply-to: John.Fischer@sun.com Message-id: <1226502472.49887.222.camel@sr1-umpk-16> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6.301 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200811101656.38484.alexandre.iline@sun.com> <200811111131.14483.alexandre.iline@sun.com> <1226422835.49887.150.camel@sr1-umpk-16> <200811112020.33957.alexandre.iline@sun.com> <1226425828.49887.198.camel@sr1-umpk-16> Status: RO Content-Length: 3423 LSARC, Unfortunately, I lost my phone service early on during yesterday's open meeting. I was only able to dial in during the last few minutes of the open discussion. I had hoped to discuss the permissions issue during the meeting. So how do others see the password permissions issue? Thanks, John On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 09:50, John Fischer wrote: > Shura, > > This partially answers my question. The real problem is that > eclipse creates the password file with 644 permissions and the > directories with 755 permissions. In my opinion this is too > permissive. It should create the file with 600 or 400 and > the directories with 700. Let's discuss this with the rest > of the committee in 10 minutes. > > Thanks, > > John > > On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 09:20, Alexandre (Shura) Iline wrote: > > John, thanks for the explanation. > > > > All dirs Eclipse creates in and including ~/.eclipse has 755 permissions. > > Password file is 644. > > > > If I change the permissions to 700 and 600, it is still able to work. > > > > Does it answer your question? > > > > Shura. > > > > On Tuesday 11 November 2008 20:00:37 John Fischer wrote: > > > Shura, > > > > > > Typically these types of directories have permissions of > > > drwx------. Sometimes these directories will have permissions > > > of drwxr-xr-x. Here are a couple of examples from my home > > > directory: > > > > > > drwxr-xr-x 2 johnf staff 512 Mar 16 2005 .desktop/ > > > drwxr-xr-x 2 johnf staff 512 May 22 2003 .dist/ > > > drwxr-xr-x 15 johnf staff 512 Oct 8 09:20 .dt/ > > > > > > Now if there is sensitive data stored within the directories > > > that have the group and other permissions with the read bit > > > set we need to insure that the password file still has some > > > level of protection. Typically these files are only owner > > > readable (-rw------- (0600) or -r-------- (0400)). There are > > > several programs on Solaris that when they notice that the > > > permissions are not 0600 or 0400 will exit or not use the > > > file. Does eclipse provide this level of protection for > > > the password file it stores in the home directory? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > John > > > > > > On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 00:31, Alexandre (Shura) Iline wrote: > > > > On Monday 10 November 2008 19:13:31 John Fischer wrote: > > > > > Shura, > > > > > > > > > > What are the permissions of the directories and > > > > > file secure_storage? Assuming that the directories > > > > > and file permissions are supposed to be readable and > > > > > writable by the owner only what happens if the > > > > > permissions are otherwise? > > > > > > > > I did not check this scenario. This is an unlikely one, though. > > > > > > > > Normally, ~/.* directories and files are configuration files for some > > > > systems or programs, such as .bashrc, for instance. > > > > > > > > Is there a case when such files are not writeable? > > > > > > > > Shura. > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 05:56, Alexandre (Shura) Iline wrote: > > > > > > Hi. > > > > > > > > > > > > Eclipse simply stores encrypted passwords into a file. > > > > > > > > > > > > The file is > > > > > > ~/.eclipse/org.eclipse.equinox.security/secure_storage file. > > > > > > > > > > > > No security issue here as far as I can see. > > > > > > > > > > > > Shura. > > > > > From Alexandre.Iline@sun.com Wed Nov 12 07:38:04 2008 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mACFc3LR013558 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 07:38:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id mACFboo1024084 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:LSARC-ext@sun.com>; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:38:02 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KA80050Z8RDVK00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 12 Nov 2008 07:38:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.98.43]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KA800HAR8RBQFD0@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 12 Nov 2008 07:37:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id mACFbxwU022539 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:37:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KA8009018K7HB00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Alexandre.Iline@Sun.COM) for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:37:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from d-espb04-127-133.russia.sun.com ([129.159.127.133]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KA800DGC8R47C10@mail-amer.sun.com> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:37:54 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 18:36:58 +0300 From: "Alexandre (Shura) Iline" Subject: Re: Clarification on Eclipse secure storage =?utf-8?q?system=2E=09?=(LSARC=092008/626) In-reply-to: <1226502472.49887.222.camel@sr1-umpk-16> Sender: Alexandre.Iline@sun.com To: LSARC-ext@sun.com Reply-to: Alexandre.Iline@sun.com Message-id: <200811121836.58506.alexandre.iline@sun.com> Organization: SUN Microsystems MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200811101656.38484.alexandre.iline@sun.com> <1226425828.49887.198.camel@sr1-umpk-16> <1226502472.49887.222.camel@sr1-umpk-16> User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 Status: RO Content-Length: 3860 Hi. I am sorry - was I supposed to be in the meeting? As I remember we agreed, I was supposed to provide all the information by yesterday and we would appear on the agenda for the next Tue 11/18. Shura. On Wednesday 12 November 2008 18:07:52 John Fischer wrote: > LSARC, > > Unfortunately, I lost my phone service early on during > yesterday's open meeting. I was only able to dial in > during the last few minutes of the open discussion. I > had hoped to discuss the permissions issue during the > meeting. > > So how do others see the password permissions issue? > > Thanks, > > John > > On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 09:50, John Fischer wrote: > > Shura, > > > > This partially answers my question. The real problem is that > > eclipse creates the password file with 644 permissions and the > > directories with 755 permissions. In my opinion this is too > > permissive. It should create the file with 600 or 400 and > > the directories with 700. Let's discuss this with the rest > > of the committee in 10 minutes. > > > > Thanks, > > > > John > > > > On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 09:20, Alexandre (Shura) Iline wrote: > > > John, thanks for the explanation. > > > > > > All dirs Eclipse creates in and including ~/.eclipse has 755 > > > permissions. Password file is 644. > > > > > > If I change the permissions to 700 and 600, it is still able to work. > > > > > > Does it answer your question? > > > > > > Shura. > > > > > > On Tuesday 11 November 2008 20:00:37 John Fischer wrote: > > > > Shura, > > > > > > > > Typically these types of directories have permissions of > > > > drwx------. Sometimes these directories will have permissions > > > > of drwxr-xr-x. Here are a couple of examples from my home > > > > directory: > > > > > > > > drwxr-xr-x 2 johnf staff 512 Mar 16 2005 .desktop/ > > > > drwxr-xr-x 2 johnf staff 512 May 22 2003 .dist/ > > > > drwxr-xr-x 15 johnf staff 512 Oct 8 09:20 .dt/ > > > > > > > > Now if there is sensitive data stored within the directories > > > > that have the group and other permissions with the read bit > > > > set we need to insure that the password file still has some > > > > level of protection. Typically these files are only owner > > > > readable (-rw------- (0600) or -r-------- (0400)). There are > > > > several programs on Solaris that when they notice that the > > > > permissions are not 0600 or 0400 will exit or not use the > > > > file. Does eclipse provide this level of protection for > > > > the password file it stores in the home directory? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 00:31, Alexandre (Shura) Iline wrote: > > > > > On Monday 10 November 2008 19:13:31 John Fischer wrote: > > > > > > Shura, > > > > > > > > > > > > What are the permissions of the directories and > > > > > > file secure_storage? Assuming that the directories > > > > > > and file permissions are supposed to be readable and > > > > > > writable by the owner only what happens if the > > > > > > permissions are otherwise? > > > > > > > > > > I did not check this scenario. This is an unlikely one, though. > > > > > > > > > > Normally, ~/.* directories and files are configuration files for > > > > > some systems or programs, such as .bashrc, for instance. > > > > > > > > > > Is there a case when such files are not writeable? > > > > > > > > > > Shura. > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 05:56, Alexandre (Shura) Iline wrote: > > > > > > > Hi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eclipse simply stores encrypted passwords into a file. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The file is > > > > > > > ~/.eclipse/org.eclipse.equinox.security/secure_storage file. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No security issue here as far as I can see. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shura. From Michael.Kearney@sun.com Wed Nov 12 07:50:24 2008 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mACFoNVA013601 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 07:50:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id mACFn4Lh002239 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:LSARC-ext@sun.com>; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:50:22 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KA800E0N9BV7T00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@Sun.Com); Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:50:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com ([192.18.98.34]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KA800AIN9BTH270@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@Sun.Com); Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:50:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id mACFoHld023587 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:50:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KA800G018XMVK00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Michael.Kearney@Sun.COM) for LSARC-ext@Sun.Com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@Sun.Com); Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:50:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from [129.147.48.63] by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KA800EQL9BNF960@mail-amer.sun.com> for LSARC-ext@Sun.Com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@Sun.Com); Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:50:11 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:50:11 -0700 From: Michael Kearney Subject: Re: Clarification on Eclipse secure storage system. (LSARC=092008/626) In-reply-to: <200811121836.58506.alexandre.iline@sun.com> Sender: Michael.Kearney@sun.com To: Alexandre.Iline@sun.com Cc: LSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <491AFB33.5080301@Sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_lB51q91NtWZHj2lYRzjE1g)" X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200811101656.38484.alexandre.iline@sun.com> <1226425828.49887.198.camel@sr1-umpk-16> <1226502472.49887.222.camel@sr1-umpk-16> <200811121836.58506.alexandre.iline@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18pre (Windows/20081104) Status: RO Content-Length: 6136 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_lB51q91NtWZHj2lYRzjE1g) Content-type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT You weren't on this week's agenda and it was not discussed.

    -Michael

Alexandre (Shura) Iline wrote: 
Hi.

I am sorry - was I supposed to be in the meeting?

As I remember we agreed, I was supposed to provide all the information by 
yesterday and we would appear on the agenda for the next Tue 11/18.

Shura.

On Wednesday 12 November 2008 18:07:52 John Fischer wrote:
  
LSARC,

Unfortunately, I lost my phone service early on during
yesterday's open meeting.  I was only able to dial in
during the last few minutes of the open discussion.  I
had hoped to discuss the permissions issue during the
meeting.

So how do others see the password permissions issue?

Thanks,

John

On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 09:50, John Fischer wrote:
    
Shura,

This partially answers my question.  The real problem is that
eclipse creates the password file with 644 permissions and the
directories with 755 permissions.  In my opinion this is too
permissive.  It should create the file with 600 or 400 and
the directories with 700.  Let's discuss this with the rest
of the committee in 10 minutes.

Thanks,

John

On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 09:20, Alexandre (Shura) Iline wrote:
      
John, thanks for the explanation.

All dirs Eclipse creates in and including ~/.eclipse has 755
permissions. Password file is 644.

If I change the permissions to 700 and 600, it is still able to work.

Does it answer your question?

Shura.

On Tuesday 11 November 2008 20:00:37 John Fischer wrote:
        
Shura,

Typically these types of directories have permissions of
drwx------.  Sometimes these directories will have permissions
of drwxr-xr-x.  Here are a couple of examples from my home
directory:

drwxr-xr-x   2 johnf    staff        512 Mar 16  2005 .desktop/
drwxr-xr-x   2 johnf    staff        512 May 22  2003 .dist/
drwxr-xr-x  15 johnf    staff        512 Oct  8 09:20 .dt/

Now if there is sensitive data stored within the directories
that have the group and other permissions with the read bit
set we need to insure that the password file still has some
level of protection.  Typically these files are only owner
readable (-rw------- (0600) or -r-------- (0400)).  There are
several programs on Solaris that when they notice that the
permissions are not 0600 or 0400 will exit or not use the
file.  Does eclipse provide this level of protection for
the password file it stores in the home directory?

Thanks,

John

On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 00:31, Alexandre (Shura) Iline wrote:
          
On Monday 10 November 2008 19:13:31 John Fischer wrote:
            
Shura,

What are the permissions of the directories and
file secure_storage?  Assuming that the directories
and file permissions are supposed to be readable and
writable by the owner only what happens if the
permissions are otherwise?
              
I did not check this scenario. This is an unlikely one, though.

Normally, ~/.* directories and files are configuration files for
some systems or programs, such as .bashrc, for instance.

Is there a case when such files are not writeable?

Shura.

            
Thanks,

John

On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 05:56, Alexandre (Shura) Iline wrote:
              
Hi.

Eclipse simply stores encrypted passwords into a file.

The file is
~/.eclipse/org.eclipse.equinox.security/secure_storage file.

No security issue here as far as I can see.

Shura.

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Email Michael.Kearney@Sun.COM
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(LSARC=092008/626) In-reply-to: <1226502472.49887.222.camel@sr1-umpk-16> To: John.Fischer@sun.com Cc: Alexandre.Iline@sun.com, LSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <491B18C8.7050009@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200811101656.38484.alexandre.iline@sun.com> <200811111131.14483.alexandre.iline@sun.com> <1226422835.49887.150.camel@sr1-umpk-16> <200811112020.33957.alexandre.iline@sun.com> <1226425828.49887.198.camel@sr1-umpk-16> <1226502472.49887.222.camel@sr1-umpk-16> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (X11/20061110) Status: RO Content-Length: 3851 John Fischer wrote: > LSARC, > > Unfortunately, I lost my phone service early on during > yesterday's open meeting. I was only able to dial in > during the last few minutes of the open discussion. I > had hoped to discuss the permissions issue during the > meeting. > > So how do others see the password permissions issue? > I am of the same opinion as you here. The password file should be guarded from casual reading. A related question here is the key used for performing encryption, I was not able to locate in the materials how this is specified. Is this something specified at install time or is it something that ships with the product and if it is modifiable or not ? -Aniruddh > Thanks, > > John > > On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 09:50, John Fischer wrote: > >> Shura, >> >> This partially answers my question. The real problem is that >> eclipse creates the password file with 644 permissions and the >> directories with 755 permissions. In my opinion this is too >> permissive. It should create the file with 600 or 400 and >> the directories with 700. Let's discuss this with the rest >> of the committee in 10 minutes. >> >> Thanks, >> >> John >> >> On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 09:20, Alexandre (Shura) Iline wrote: >> >>> John, thanks for the explanation. >>> >>> All dirs Eclipse creates in and including ~/.eclipse has 755 permissions. >>> Password file is 644. >>> >>> If I change the permissions to 700 and 600, it is still able to work. >>> >>> Does it answer your question? >>> >>> Shura. >>> >>> On Tuesday 11 November 2008 20:00:37 John Fischer wrote: >>> >>>> Shura, >>>> >>>> Typically these types of directories have permissions of >>>> drwx------. Sometimes these directories will have permissions >>>> of drwxr-xr-x. Here are a couple of examples from my home >>>> directory: >>>> >>>> drwxr-xr-x 2 johnf staff 512 Mar 16 2005 .desktop/ >>>> drwxr-xr-x 2 johnf staff 512 May 22 2003 .dist/ >>>> drwxr-xr-x 15 johnf staff 512 Oct 8 09:20 .dt/ >>>> >>>> Now if there is sensitive data stored within the directories >>>> that have the group and other permissions with the read bit >>>> set we need to insure that the password file still has some >>>> level of protection. Typically these files are only owner >>>> readable (-rw------- (0600) or -r-------- (0400)). There are >>>> several programs on Solaris that when they notice that the >>>> permissions are not 0600 or 0400 will exit or not use the >>>> file. Does eclipse provide this level of protection for >>>> the password file it stores in the home directory? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> John >>>> >>>> On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 00:31, Alexandre (Shura) Iline wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Monday 10 November 2008 19:13:31 John Fischer wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Shura, >>>>>> >>>>>> What are the permissions of the directories and >>>>>> file secure_storage? Assuming that the directories >>>>>> and file permissions are supposed to be readable and >>>>>> writable by the owner only what happens if the >>>>>> permissions are otherwise? >>>>>> >>>>> I did not check this scenario. This is an unlikely one, though. >>>>> >>>>> Normally, ~/.* directories and files are configuration files for some >>>>> systems or programs, such as .bashrc, for instance. >>>>> >>>>> Is there a case when such files are not writeable? >>>>> >>>>> Shura. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> John >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 05:56, Alexandre (Shura) Iline wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Eclipse simply stores encrypted passwords into a file. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The file is >>>>>>> ~/.eclipse/org.eclipse.equinox.security/secure_storage file. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No security issue here as far as I can see. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Shura. >>>>>>> >>> > > > From Michael.Kearney@Sun.COM Tue Nov 18 09:19:41 2008 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mAIHJfVA029441 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:19:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id mAIHJf7W005522 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:LSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:19:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KAJ00K05HGT6200@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:19:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com ([192.18.98.34]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KAJ00CQTHGTWQ60@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:19:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id mAIHJfAt008666 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:19:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KAJ00201FLB1600@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Michael.Kearney@Sun.COM) for LSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT LSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:19:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from [129.147.48.63] by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KAJ008DJHGQ2P50@mail-amer.sun.com>; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:19:38 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:19:37 -0700 From: Michael Kearney Subject: Re: Clarification on Eclipse secure storage system. (LSARC=092008/626) In-reply-to: <491B18C8.7050009@sun.com> Sender: Michael.Kearney@Sun.COM To: Aniruddh Dikhit Cc: John.Fischer@Sun.COM, Alexandre.Iline@Sun.COM, LSARC-ext@Sun.COM Message-id: <4922F929.9060207@Sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_4ml/XaHsNQJe8nejq4lSgg)" X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200811101656.38484.alexandre.iline@sun.com> <200811111131.14483.alexandre.iline@sun.com> <1226422835.49887.150.camel@sr1-umpk-16> <200811112020.33957.alexandre.iline@sun.com> <1226425828.49887.198.camel@sr1-umpk-16> <1226502472.49887.222.camel@sr1-umpk-16> <491B18C8.7050009@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19pre (Windows/20081114) Status: RO Content-Length: 11841 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_4ml/XaHsNQJe8nejq4lSgg) Content-type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Here is some additional information about the key used for encryption:
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=22220

(based on news://news.eclipse.org:119/aig3ja$7kt$1@rogue.oti.com)

The keyring file is encrypted with a default password. If a user copies 
the file from a colleague, he will be able to decrypt it and discover its
passwords (e.g, cvs password).

Instead of using command line password option, which nobody uses, 
eclipse should pop a dialog box prompting me for a password to unlock 
the keyring file. See what mozilla does with its security system.
------- Comment #1 From Genady Beryozkin 2002-08-06 15:10:44 -0400 ------- 
also if the user on unix uses a password, it is visible in the process list.
------- Comment #2 From Roland Illig 2003-11-03 12:03:29 -0400 ------- 
One more bad thing about it is that the keyring file is created like any other
file, with permissions (0666 - umask). Because many users have umask 022, I
consider this a really serious bug.

Thanks to the simple structure of eclipse it took me less than half an hour to
get my personal keyring displayed. That's too easy.
------- Comment #3 From Jean-Michel Lemieux 2004-04-14 15:35:15 -0400 ------- 
FYI, the cvs plug-in no longer uses the cache without the user explicitly
saying
that they will cache using an unsecure mechanism.
This will be in the next 3.0 I-build.
------- Comment #4 From John Arthorne 2004-07-14 14:17:57 -0400 ------- 
*** Bug 68268 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
------- Comment #5 From John Arthorne 2005-07-05 16:38:42 -0400 ------- 
There are no plans to improve the keyring support in Eclipse.  If you have
greater cryptographic requirements, we recommend looking at other packages such
as java.security.KeyStore.  CVS is the only known client of the Eclipse keyring, 
but it makes caching in the keyring optional and provides the caveat that this
does not protect you from people with access to your workspace data location.


Aniruddh Dikhit wrote:
John Fischer wrote:
LSARC,

Unfortunately, I lost my phone service early on during
yesterday's open meeting.  I was only able to dial in during the last few minutes of the open discussion.  I had hoped to discuss the permissions issue during the meeting.

So how do others see the password permissions issue?
 
I am of the same opinion as you here. The password file should
be guarded from casual reading.

A related question here is the key used for performing encryption,
I was not able to locate in the materials how this is specified.
Is this something specified at install time or is it something that
ships with the product and if it is modifiable or not ?

-Aniruddh
Thanks,

John

On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 09:50, John Fischer wrote:
 
Shura,

This partially answers my question.  The real problem is that
eclipse creates the password file with 644 permissions and the
directories with 755 permissions.  In my opinion this is too
permissive.  It should create the file with 600 or 400 and
the directories with 700.  Let's discuss this with the rest
of the committee in 10 minutes.

Thanks,

John

On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 09:20, Alexandre (Shura) Iline wrote:
   
John, thanks for the explanation.

All dirs Eclipse creates in and including ~/.eclipse has 755 permissions. Password file is 644.

If I change the permissions to 700 and 600, it is still able to work.

Does it answer your question?

Shura.

On Tuesday 11 November 2008 20:00:37 John Fischer wrote:
     
Shura,

Typically these types of directories have permissions of
drwx------.  Sometimes these directories will have permissions
of drwxr-xr-x.  Here are a couple of examples from my home
directory:

drwxr-xr-x   2 johnf    staff        512 Mar 16  2005 .desktop/
drwxr-xr-x   2 johnf    staff        512 May 22  2003 .dist/
drwxr-xr-x  15 johnf    staff        512 Oct  8 09:20 .dt/

Now if there is sensitive data stored within the directories
that have the group and other permissions with the read bit
set we need to insure that the password file still has some
level of protection.  Typically these files are only owner
readable (-rw------- (0600) or -r-------- (0400)).  There are
several programs on Solaris that when they notice that the
permissions are not 0600 or 0400 will exit or not use the
file.  Does eclipse provide this level of protection for
the password file it stores in the home directory?

Thanks,

John

On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 00:31, Alexandre (Shura) Iline wrote:
       
On Monday 10 November 2008 19:13:31 John Fischer wrote:
         
Shura,

What are the permissions of the directories and
file secure_storage?  Assuming that the directories
and file permissions are supposed to be readable and
writable by the owner only what happens if the
permissions are otherwise?
           
I did not check this scenario. This is an unlikely one, though.

Normally, ~/.* directories and files are configuration files for some
systems or programs, such as .bashrc, for instance.

Is there a case when such files are not writeable?

Shura.

         
Thanks,

John

On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 05:56, Alexandre (Shura) Iline wrote:
           
Hi.

Eclipse simply stores encrypted passwords into a file.

The file is
~/.eclipse/org.eclipse.equinox.security/secure_storage file.

No security issue here as far as I can see.

Shura.
             
     


 



--
Michael Kearney
Staff Software Engineer

Sun Microsystems, Inc.
MS UBRM05-390, 500 Eldorado Blvd
Broomfield, CO 80021 US
Phone 303-272-2402
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Sun Microsystems Systems Architecture Committee
Copyright 2008 Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Subject Eclipse For Java Developers
Submitted by Alexandre Iline
File LSARC/2008/626/opinion.html
Date Nov 18, 2008
Committee # This file is automatically generated on a daily basis by create_membershiplists. Mark Carlson, Lloyd Chambers, Thomas Childers, Aniruddh Dikhit, Danek Duvall, John Fischer, Ed Hunter, Chris Kasso, Arieh Markel, Margot Miller, Stephen Uhler, Jyri Virkki. Mark Carlson, Lloyd Chambers, Aniruddh Dikhit, John Fischer, Margot Miller. Minority: (Michael Kearney). Abstain: Tom Childers, Ed Hunter, Jyri Virkki.
Product Approval Committee LSARC

1. Summary

    Eclipse is an integrated development environment (IDE).

    Eclipse for Java Developer is one of the most popular open source Java IDEs, providing functionality in order to simplify development of extensible, modular and cooperating Java based desktop applications.

    URL: http://www.eclipse.org.

2. Decision & Precedence Information

    [The project is approved as specified in reference [1]] [, but as modified by the required technical changes listed in Appendix A]. [The project may be delivered in a minor release of Solaris.] [The project depends on the following other projects and may not be delivered before them.
    Case Name
    [PSARC/1994/038] [Making FNS XFN Compliant]
    [950331_scott.mcnealy] [Making MS SUN Compliant]

    ]

3. Interfaces

    Interfaces Exported
    Interface Name Classification Comment
    eclipse Uncommitted Package
    /usr/eclipse Uncommitted Installation directory
    eclipse Uncommitted Commandline syntax
    SWT Uncommitted Library
    JUnit Uncommitted Java Library
    Eclipse Platform Uncommitted Set of Java Libraries

    Interfaces Imported
    Interface Name Classification Comment
    j6dev Committed Package
    GTK ??? Library

4. Opinion

    [Place the text of any opinion here.]

    4.1 Issue Title

      [Text about that issue here.]

5. Minority Opinion(s)

5.1 SWT Library

My opinion is that it's not a maintenance nightmare to support two versions or locations for the SWT components and I can easily envision the need to have a production version and a development version of a library. How else to produce software for the next supported release?

Secondly, this arrangement makes the Eclipse install on Solaris different from all other OSes. This will serve to reduce acceptance by the development community.

Thirdly, every step Sun takes that diverges our version of Eclipse from the freely downloadable version is wasted effort on our part. It increases the time between new releases and their availability on Solaris as well as putting a burden on the NetBeans team.

I think the fundamental issue is the difference between a developer platform and a production platform. Solaris as a developer platform MUST allow open source tools like this to function as designed, otherwise we sacrifice developer mindshare. The TCRs established by this review actually cripple the deliverable. Furthermore, a developer (non-root) installation has no system-wide reliability or security impact.

SWT actually belongs to Eclipse, and Eclipse has taken ownership of it and will automatically update it through their own mechanism.

5.1 IPS

To my mind, ideally, an open project such as OpenSolaris should not always be held captive to support requirements by SMI. With regard to particular other open source projects, especially where those projects maintain their own community-driven support channels; we should not always, as a rule, opt to override those support ecosystems on the assumption that this provides lower support costs for SMI. In this particular case, this very likely would result in a broken user experience, and is a great departure from the integration of this tool on every other platform that it runs on. I would add that the TCR requiring that the auto-update functionality be decorated with obvious warnings increases the user experience gap. This most likely leaves the user in a lurch the moment he attempts to install one of the copious plug-ins or add-ons and the update functionality is invoked automatically.

I believe the onus here should be on the IPS project team to address the need to integrate future products which feature self-updating functionality. Until SMI develops an answer for how it will thrive as downstream consumer of so many projects originating in other open communities, especially those that provide their own patch/fix/update/extend ecosystems, it can not do no better than always discourage or disable this functionality in projects. A solution should be found for better integration of this functionality within the packaging system so that the answer will not always be "it self-updates everywhere but here".

6. Advisory Information

    [Any editorial or advisory information goes here.]

Appendices

    Appendix A: Technical Changes Required

    1. Eclipse creates the password file with 644 permissions and the directories with 755 permissions. This is too permissive. It must create the file with 600 or 400 and the directories with 700.
    2. Eclipse uses a single key to generate the encrypted password file for CVS for every installation. It must use a different key for each install.
    3. Eclipse uses the SWT libraries, which are included in Solaris as part of LSARC 2008-462. Eclipse must use the common system-wide SWT and not its own.
    4. Eclipse must include a man page with the admonishment that using the standard Eclipse installation and update mechanism will make updates using IPS difficult or impossible.

    Appendix B: Technical Changes Advised

      None

    Appendix C: Reference Material

    Unless otherwise stated, path names are relative to the case directory (LSARC/2008/626).

    1. [commitment.materials/20081104.2008.626.commitment]
      [meeting minutes]
    2. [commitment.materials/20081118.2008.626.commitment]
      [meeting minutes]
--Boundary_(ID_8s5aJQeOCSMnkKcXSKudbw) Content-type: text/html; name=opinion.html Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline; filename=opinion.html Opinion: Eclipse For Java Developers
Sun Microsystems Systems Architecture Committee
Copyright 2008 Sun Microsystems, Inc.
Subject Eclipse For Java Developers
Submitted by Alexandre Iline
File LSARC/2008/626/opinion.html
Date Nov 18, 2008
Committee # This file is automatically generated on a daily basis by create_membershiplists. Mark Carlson, Lloyd Chambers, Thomas Childers, Aniruddh Dikhit, Danek Duvall, John Fischer, Ed Hunter, Chris Kasso, Arieh Markel, Margot Miller, Stephen Uhler, Jyri Virkki. Mark Carlson, Lloyd Chambers, Aniruddh Dikhit, John Fischer, Margot Miller. Minority: (Michael Kearney). Abstain: Tom Childers, Ed Hunter, Jyri Virkki.
Product Approval Committee LSARC

1. Summary

    Eclipse is an integrated development environment (IDE).

    Eclipse for Java Developer is one of the most popular open source Java IDEs, providing functionality in order to simplify development of extensible, modular and cooperating Java based desktop applications.

    URL: http://www.eclipse.org.

2. Decision & Precedence Information

    [The project is approved as specified in reference [1]] [, but as modified by the required technical changes listed in Appendix A]. [The project may be delivered in a minor release of Solaris.] [The project depends on the following other projects and may not be delivered before them.
    Case Name
    [PSARC/1994/038] [Making FNS XFN Compliant]
    [950331_scott.mcnealy] [Making MS SUN Compliant]

    ]

3. Interfaces

    Interfaces Exported
    Interface Name Classification Comment
    eclipse Uncommitted Package
    /usr/eclipse Uncommitted Installation directory
    eclipse Uncommitted Commandline syntax
    SWT Uncommitted Library
    JUnit Uncommitted Java Library
    Eclipse Platform Uncommitted Set of Java Libraries

    Interfaces Imported
    Interface Name Classification Comment
    j6dev Committed Package
    GTK ??? Library

4. Opinion

    [Place the text of any opinion here.]

    4.1 Issue Title

      [Text about that issue here.]

5. Minority Opinion(s)

5.1 SWT Library

My opinion is that it's not a maintenance nightmare to support two versions or locations for the SWT components and I can easily envision the need to have a production version and a development version of a library. How else to produce software for the next supported release?

Secondly, this arrangement makes the Eclipse install on Solaris different from all other OSes. This will serve to reduce acceptance by the development community.

Thirdly, every step Sun takes that diverges our version of Eclipse from the freely downloadable version is wasted effort on our part. It increases the time between new releases and their availability on Solaris as well as putting a burden on the NetBeans team.

I think the fundamental issue is the difference between a developer platform and a production platform. Solaris as a developer platform MUST allow open source tools like this to function as designed, otherwise we sacrifice developer mindshare. The TCRs established by this review actually cripple the deliverable. Furthermore, a developer (non-root) installation has no system-wide reliability or security impact.

SWT actually belongs to Eclipse, and Eclipse has taken ownership of it and will automatically update it through their own mechanism.

5.1 IPS

To my mind, ideally, an open project such as OpenSolaris should not always be held captive to support requirements by SMI. With regard to particular other open source projects, especially where those projects maintain their own community-driven support channels; we should not always, as a rule, opt to override those support ecosystems on the assumption that this provides lower support costs for SMI. In this particular case, this very likely would result in a broken user experience, and is a great departure from the integration of this tool on every other platform that it runs on. I would add that the TCR requiring that the auto-update functionality be decorated with obvious warnings increases the user experience gap. This most likely leaves the user in a lurch the moment he attempts to install one of the copious plug-ins or add-ons and the update functionality is invoked automatically.

I believe the onus here should be on the IPS project team to address the need to integrate future products which feature self-updating functionality. Until SMI develops an answer for how it will thrive as downstream consumer of so many projects originating in other open communities, especially those that provide their own patch/fix/update/extend ecosystems, it can not do no better than always discourage or disable this functionality in projects. A solution should be found for better integration of this functionality within the packaging system so that the answer will not always be "it self-updates everywhere but here".

6. Advisory Information

    [Any editorial or advisory information goes here.]

Appendices

    Appendix A: Technical Changes Required

    1. Eclipse creates the password file with 644 permissions and the directories with 755 permissions. This is too permissive. It must create the file with 600 or 400 and the directories with 700.
    2. Eclipse uses a single key to generate the encrypted password file for CVS for every installation. It must use a different key for each install.
    3. Eclipse uses the SWT libraries, which are included in Solaris as part of LSARC 2008-462. Eclipse must use the common system-wide SWT and not its own.
    4. Eclipse must include a man page with the admonishment that using the standard Eclipse installation and update mechanism will make updates using IPS difficult or impossible.

    Appendix B: Technical Changes Advised

      None

    Appendix C: Reference Material

    Unless otherwise stated, path names are relative to the case directory (LSARC/2008/626).

    1. [commitment.materials/20081104.2008.626.commitment]
      [meeting minutes]
    2. [commitment.materials/20081118.2008.626.commitment]
      [meeting minutes]
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Or at least add my name, please -- Is the precedence list correct or a stub? I didn't see those cases listed on the published stuff.. If they are, you know I'm going to probably ask to open them (and I doubt I'll have much luck given the dates and sources) -- TCA/TCR (Appendix A/B), I had thought one of those was a TCA, but I may be mistaken.. I think #3, but I can't be sure now. -- "5.1 IPS" -> 5.2 -- The links at the bottom (Appendix C) -- mind relating them to the public portal? I'm assuming there'd be another revision coming with more in sections 4 and 6 (even if boilerplate), although I'd probably not say more if all the above get addressed. I do have a question out to the project team regarding packaging, but that is a separate issue. 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Mark Martin wrote:
Michael Kearney wrote:
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A couple of quick comments, if I may.
-- has Sun "XXXprietary" header...
Done
-- I'd like to see the 3 folks who had minority opinions listed.  Or at least add my name, please
Done   Got your moment of glory ;-)
-- Is the precedence list correct or a stub?  I didn't see those cases listed on the published stuff..  If they are, you know I'm going to probably ask to open them (and I doubt I'll have much luck given the dates and sources)
-- TCA/TCR (Appendix A/B), I had thought one of those was a TCA, but I may be mistaken..  I think #3, but I can't be sure now.
This what I found in the minutes.
-- "5.1 IPS" -> 5.2
Done
-- The links at the bottom (Appendix C) -- mind relating them to the public portal?
Fixed the links


I'm assuming there'd be another revision coming with more in sections 4 and 6 (even if boilerplate), although I'd probably not say more if all the above get addressed.  I do have a question out to the project team regarding packaging, but that is a separate issue.


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Michael Kearney
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