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I am sponsoring this fasttrack for Stuart Kreitman of the X team.
The timer is set for next Wednesday, October 22.   The case requests
a patch release binding, though delivery is currently only planned for
Nevada.

        -Alan Coopersmith-           alan.coopersmith@sun.com
         Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering

Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase %I% %G% SMI
This information is Copyright 2008 Sun Microsystems
1. Introduction
    1.1. Project/Component Working Name:
	 pixman
    1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier:
	 Author:  Stuart Kreitman
    1.3  Date of This Document:
	15 October, 2008
4. Technical Description

"pixman is a library that provides low-level pixel manipulation
features such as image compositing and trapezoid rasterization."

It is consumed by Cairo and by the Xorg server 1.5.  It has been
delivered by JDS as a private interface for expediancy sake but was
always intended to be delivered by the Xorg group.  We're getting
around to it now.

The API is unmodified from the upstream X.Org community sources.

This library is still under active development and refinement, and the
community has not yet committed to keeping it compatible, so we are
integrating with a stability level of Volatile at this time.
The community has documented this versioning scheme to manage incompatible
change:

   - Released development versions have an odd MINOR number

   - Released stable versions have an event MINOR number

   - Versions that break ABI must have a new MAJOR number

   - If you break the ABI, then at least this must be done:

        - increment MAJOR

        - In the first development release where you break ABI, find
          all instances of "pixman-n" and change them to pixman-(n+1)

          This needs to be done at least in
                    configure.ac
                    all Makefile.am's
                    pixman-n.pc.in

      This ensures that binary incompatible versions can be installed
      in parallel.  See http://www106.pair.com/rhp/parallel.html for
      more information


We don't expect most user applications to consume this library - the
expected consumers are the Xorg graphics drivers and the Cairo drawing
libraries, so Volatile stability does not appear to pose a hardship
to a significant number of consumers.

Exported Interfaces:
--------------------
SUNWpixman					Uncommitted
/usr/include/pixman-1/pixman.h			Volatile
/usr/include/pixman-1/pixman-version.h		Volatile
/usr/lib/libpixman-1.so.0			Volatile
/usr/lib/64/libpixman-1.so.0			Volatile
/usr/lib/pkgconfig/pixman-1.pc			Volatile
/usr/lib/64/pkgconfig/pixman-1.pc		Volatile 

6. Resources and Schedule
    6.4. Steering Committee requested information
   	6.4.1. Consolidation C-team Name:
		X
    6.5. ARC review type: FastTrack
    6.6. ARC Exposure: open


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Alan Coopersmith writes:
> "pixman is a library that provides low-level pixel manipulation
> features such as image compositing and trapezoid rasterization."

Nature abhors an unrasterized trapezoid.  ;-}

>       This ensures that binary incompatible versions can be installed
>       in parallel.  See http://www106.pair.com/rhp/parallel.html for
>       more information

That doesn't work as a precedent for Solaris (and probably not for any
other OS with dynamic linking).  The problem is that it runs right
into the well-known single application address space problems.  An
application can easily end up with a melange of library versions
colliding with each other through no fault of its own, and this scheme
just enables that failure mode.

I hope we're not really planning to apply it here.

> We don't expect most user applications to consume this library - the
> expected consumers are the Xorg graphics drivers and the Cairo drawing
> libraries, so Volatile stability does not appear to pose a hardship
> to a significant number of consumers.

That seems like the good part.  ;-}

> /usr/lib/libpixman-1.so.0			Volatile

Wouldn't we ordinarily call this something like "libpixman.so.1"?  (It
looks like this is an Ubuntuism, and other systems have it installed
differently ... *sigh*.)

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James Carlson wrote:
> Alan Coopersmith writes:
>>       This ensures that binary incompatible versions can be installed
>>       in parallel.  See http://www106.pair.com/rhp/parallel.html for
>>       more information
> 
> That doesn't work as a precedent for Solaris (and probably not for any
> other OS with dynamic linking).  The problem is that it runs right
> into the well-known single application address space problems.  An
> application can easily end up with a melange of library versions
> colliding with each other through no fault of its own, and this scheme
> just enables that failure mode.
> 
> I hope we're not really planning to apply it here.

Fully understood, and we already argued that with the maintainer when he
implemented this scheme last year.   His answer was:

* Linking two incompatible versions of pixman into the same process
  can *never* work. It's retarded and irrelevant to the issue. I am
  not listening about obscure ELF and ld.so features.

* Two incompatible versions of a library can be *installed* at the
  same time and linked to two different executables if the libraries
  have different names. This is useful and required so that separate
  projects can upgrade at separate times.

[ http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2007-August/026876.html ]

Certainly if there is ever a libpixman-2, we will have to be very careful
about how it's integrated, but having Cairo on the client side link against
libpixman-2 while Xorg links against libpixman-1 on the server side should
work - it's just situations like Xorg using libpixman-1 while an Xorg
driver links to libpixman-2 that we have to avoid.

>> /usr/lib/libpixman-1.so.0			Volatile
> 
> Wouldn't we ordinarily call this something like "libpixman.so.1"?  (It
> looks like this is an Ubuntuism, and other systems have it installed
> differently ... *sigh*.)

Yes, but this is the name from upstream that will be used on all other OS'es,
due to the above mentioned plan for allowing parallel versions to be installed.
We've already got plenty of precedent for these in the GNOME libraries (since
the referenced URL promoting this scheme comes from GNOME developer Havoc
Pennington, who used it heavily in GNOME).

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Alan Coopersmith writes:
> Certainly if there is ever a libpixman-2, we will have to be very careful
> about how it's integrated, but having Cairo on the client side link against
> libpixman-2 while Xorg links against libpixman-1 on the server side should
> work - it's just situations like Xorg using libpixman-1 while an Xorg
> driver links to libpixman-2 that we have to avoid.

Right; it'd be third-party drivers that'd be potentially toxic.

> Yes, but this is the name from upstream that will be used on all other OS'es,
> due to the above mentioned plan for allowing parallel versions to be installed.
> We've already got plenty of precedent for these in the GNOME libraries (since
> the referenced URL promoting this scheme comes from GNOME developer Havoc
> Pennington, who used it heavily in GNOME).

OK; thanks.  I'm not sure that "la-la-la-la I can't hear you" is a
good answer for the upstream maintainer to provide to a technical
problem, but it sounds like we've at least done our due diligence by
raising the issue.  Customers can always sort out any smoking craters
that result.

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Alan Coopersmith wrote:
> I am sponsoring this fasttrack for Stuart Kreitman of the X team.
> The timer is set for next Wednesday, October 22. 

Having reached the timeout with no open issues, this case is now
marked as "Closed Approved".

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:11:25 -0700
From: Stuart Kreitman <Stuart.Kreitman@sun.com>
Subject: Re: pixman [LSARC/2008/637 FastTrack timeout 10/22/2008]
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:-)

Alan Coopersmith wrote:
> Alan Coopersmith wrote:
>   
>> I am sponsoring this fasttrack for Stuart Kreitman of the X team.
>> The timer is set for next Wednesday, October 22. 
>>     
>
> Having reached the timeout with no open issues, this case is now
> marked as "Closed Approved".
>
>   


