From sacadmin Thu Jun 17 14:37:37 2004
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 14:36:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: Darren J Moffat <darrenm@borg.sfbay.sun.com>
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Subject: ssh_config(4) option compatibility [PSARC/2004/505 Timeout:  06/24/2004]
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Subject: PSARC FastTrack [06/24/2004]: ssh_config(4) option compatibility


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This information is Copyright 2004 Sun Microsystems, Inc.
1. Introduction
    1.1. Project/Component Working Name:
	 ssh_config(4) option compatibility
    1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier:
	 Author:  Nicolas Williams
    1.3  Date of This Document:
	17 June, 2004
4. Technical Description

I'm submitting this case for Nicolas Williams the time out is 2004-06-24.

The requested release binding is patch.  

The ssh_config(4) file is Evolving, this case is about a set of
changes that may help bring it up to Stable.  This case does not assert that
ssh_config(4) become Stable at this time.  The taxonomy of the new options
is Evolving.

ABSTRACT
--------

This case concerns ssh(1)'s behaviour in the face of unknown
configuration options.

It's been recently discovered that the current behaviour (exit with an
error message) makes per-user ssh configuration files (see ssh(1) and
ssh_config(4)) not extensible in compatible ways.

This behaviour is inherited from OpenSSH and exists ostensibly to
prevent mis-spelling and other errors from causing security problems.

This behaviour affects compatibility between SUNWssh versions as well as
between all versions and derivatives of OpenSSH which share the per-user
configuration file path "~/.ssh/config" and a solution is badly needed.

PROPOSAL
--------

We note that the OpenSSH team feels free to add new ssh_config(4)
parameters at any time, thus refraining from adding parameters to
ssh_config(4) is not an option.  Silently ignoring unknown parameters is
not an option either since this can cause users to assume that ssh(1)
understood a given parameter when it didn't.  Neither is prompting about
unknown parameters appealing.

Therefore we propose to make ssh(1) support a mechanism by which to
inform it of parameters known to other versions of ssh(1) which can then
be safely ignored by it:

 - Add a new ssh_config(4) ssh configuration parameter called
   'IgnoreIfUnknown' whose value(s) is(are) comma-separated lists of
   configuration parameter names.

   Man page text:

     IgnoreIfUnknown
	   Specifies a comma-separated list of ssh_config(4)
	   parameters which, if unknown to ssh(1) are to be
	   ignored by ssh(1).  Multiple values for this parameter
	   may be given; ssh(1) will honor the combined lists.

	   This parameter is primarily intended to be used in the
	   system-wide ssh_config(4), though it may also be used
	   in the per-user ssh_config(4) (~/.ssh/config) files.

 - Add a new ssh_config(4) ssh configuration parameter called
   'DontIgnoreIfUnknown' whose value(s) is(are) comma-separated lists of
   configuration parameter names which must not be ignored by ssh(1)'s
   which do not understand them.  This parameter overrides
   'IgnoreIfUnknown'.

   Man page text:

     DontIgnoreIfUnknown
           Specifies a comma-separated list of ssh_config(4)
	   parameters which must not be ignored by ssh(1) if it
	   does not support them.  Multiple values for this
	   parameter may be given; ssh(1) will honor the combined
	   lists.

	   This parameter is primarily intended to be used in the
	   per-user ssh_config(4) (~/.ssh/config) files.


 - Whenever new ssh_config(4) configuration parameters are added in
   micro/patch releases the release notes will document the need to
   update /etc/ssh/ssh_config on older systems to add the new parameters
   to the IgnoreIfUnknown lists.

 - Whenever new ssh_config(4) configuration parameters are added a patch
   should be considered for previous minor releases to update
   IgnoreIfUnknown in /etc/ssh/ssh_config.

 - Support for IgnoreIfUnknown should be backported to SUNWssh 1.0.x
   (Solaris 9's ssh).

 - Sun will contribute patches to OpenSSH for this new option.

   The OpenSSH team doesn't seem to want to commit to any solution;
   typically they don't like to commit to adding support for any user
   requested features unless patches are included.


REFERENCES
----------

http://bugzilla.mindrot.org/show_bug.cgi?id=866

6. Resources and Schedule
    6.4. Steering Committee requested information
   	6.4.1. Consolidation C-team Name:
		ON
    6.5. ARC review type: FastTrack

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From: James Carlson <james.d.carlson@sun.com>
To: PSARC@sac.sfbay.sun.com
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This fast-track request was approved during ARC business at the
06/23/2004 meeting.  A copy of the specification has been placed in
the case directory as 'spec.txt'.

-- 
James Carlson, IP Systems Group                <james.d.carlson@sun.com>
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From sacadmin Thu Jul 15 10:18:24 2004
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:14:30 -0500
From: Nicolas Williams <Nicolas.Williams@Sun.COM>
To: James Carlson <James.D.Carlson@Sun.COM>
Cc: PSARC@sac.sfbay.sun.com, Darren J Moffat <darrenm@borg.sfbay.sun.com>,
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Implementation experience has shown that whitespace must be allowed as a
separator character, not just commas, for the value list for these
IgnoreIfUnknown and DontIgnoreIfUnknown config parameters.

Nico
-- 

On Wed, Jun 30, 2004 at 04:34:31PM -0400, James Carlson wrote:
> This fast-track request was approved during ARC business at the
> 06/23/2004 meeting.  A copy of the specification has been placed in
> the case directory as 'spec.txt'.

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From: Jan Pechanec <Jan.Pechanec@sun.com>
Subject: ad PSARC/2004/505 ssh_config(4) option compatibility
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	hi,

	this case was filed by Nico and I was to take it over now and 
implement it. However, it looks to me that only 1/2 of it is needed and Nico 
also agrees. My question is - what to do? Can I just change it and file it 
again, or can changes be approved on this alias, or shall I close it and 
file a new case?

	technical info:

	IgnoreIfUnknown is fine, DontIgnoreIfUknown is not needed. Unknown 
options are not ignored by default so this could be used only to overrule 
what is in IgnoreIfUnknown. Well, it's just much better to change 
IgnoreIfUnknown to avoid confusion and mistakes.

	there might be 2 situations where DontIgnoreIfUknown could be 
useful.

	(1) if admin could set DontIgnoreIfUknown in /etc/ssh/ssh_config to 
prevent users to ignore some options set per user in IgnoreIfUnknown 
(DontIgnoreIfUnknown is of higher priority). This can't work since any 
ssh(1)'s option can be overridden on the command line so this usage can't be 
achieved now. We can't have options to use only in the system wide config 
file.

	(2) using wildcards - IgnoreIfUnknown=* and then use 
DontIgnoreIfUknown for those that are not be ignored. However, using 
wildcards leads exactly to the situation we wanted to avoid - where 
important options might be misspelled and then silently ignored which is not 
good at all. The PSARC case didn't mention wild cards anyway.


	given this, we should implement IgnoreIfUnknown only. If needed from 
any reason, DontIgnoreIfUknown can be added and it would just an extension.

	thanks, Jan.

-- 
Jan Pechanec

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Jan Pechanec wrote:
> 	hi,
>
> 	this case was filed by Nico and I was to take it over now and 
> implement it. However, it looks to me that only 1/2 of it is needed and Nico 
> also agrees. My question is - what to do? Can I just change it and file it 
> again, or can changes be approved on this alias, or shall I close it and 
> file a new case?
>   
Technically, you file a new case (fast-track) and change the old case to 
"closed superceed <case>".

However, that seems like too much work.

I'd suggest just change the old case, send mail and change the status to 
"waiting need fast-track <date>".  From that point, its just fast-track 
and should be approved next Wednesday.

- jek3


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> Jan Pechanec wrote:
> > 	hi,
> >
> > 	this case was filed by Nico and I was to take it over now and 
> > implement it. However, it looks to me that only 1/2 of it is needed and Nico 
> > also agrees. My question is - what to do? Can I just change it and file it 
> > again, or can changes be approved on this alias, or shall I close it and 
> > file a new case?
> >   
> Technically, you file a new case (fast-track) and change the old case to 
> "closed superceed <case>".
> 
> However, that seems like too much work.
> 
> I'd suggest just change the old case, send mail and change the status to 
> "waiting need fast-track <date>".  From that point, its just fast-track 
> and should be approved next Wednesday.

	Is someone going to follow Joe's advice?  For example the
	original case owner?  Or is there going to be a new case
	to modify this one?

Gary..
P.S.  What was implemented?  I'd guessed nothing had yet been putback,
	is that correct?

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On Mon, Oct 01, 2007 at 09:12:22PM -0700, Gary Winiger wrote:
> 	Is someone going to follow Joe's advice?  For example the
> 	original case owner?  Or is there going to be a new case
> 	to modify this one?

Jan has pinged Darren to follow through on Joe's advice.

> Gary..
> P.S.  What was implemented?  I'd guessed nothing had yet been putback,
> 	is that correct?

Nothing has been implemented yet.

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> On Mon, Oct 01, 2007 at 09:12:22PM -0700, Gary Winiger wrote:
> > 	Is someone going to follow Joe's advice?  For example the
> > 	original case owner?  Or is there going to be a new case
> > 	to modify this one?
> 
> Jan has pinged Darren to follow through on Joe's advice.
> 
> > Gary..
> > P.S.  What was implemented?  I'd guessed nothing had yet been putback,
> > 	is that correct?
> 
> Nothing has been implemented yet.

	OK to both.  Seems like a no-brainer.  Thanks for Jan and you bringing
	it to the cases attention.

Gary..

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From: Jan Pechanec <Jan.Pechanec@sun.com>
Subject: Re: ad PSARC/2004/505 ssh_config(4) option compatibility
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On Mon, 1 Oct 2007, Gary Winiger wrote:

>> On Mon, Oct 01, 2007 at 09:12:22PM -0700, Gary Winiger wrote:
>> > 	Is someone going to follow Joe's advice?  For example the
>> > 	original case owner?  Or is there going to be a new case
>> > 	to modify this one?
>> 
>> Jan has pinged Darren to follow through on Joe's advice.
>> 
>> > Gary..
>> > P.S.  What was implemented?  I'd guessed nothing had yet been putback,
>> > 	is that correct?
>> 
>> Nothing has been implemented yet.
>
>	OK to both.  Seems like a no-brainer.  Thanks for Jan and you bringing
>	it to the cases attention.

	hi Gary, Darren is travelling and finishing ZFS alpha release 
binaries now so that's why it wasn't sponsored yet.

	Jan.

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Jan Pechanec

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From: Darren J Moffat <Darren.Moffat@sun.com>
Subject: [reopened] PSARC/2004/505 ssh_config(4) option compatibility
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I'm re-opening this case to update the spec as discussed in the mail 
log.  The only architectural change removes the unneeded 
DontIgnoreIfUnknown option. The updated spec also uses the current 
interface taxonomy.

I've set the timer to expire 10th October 2007.

-- 
Darren J Moffat

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Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 18:09:39 +0100
From: Darren J Moffat <Darren.Moffat@Sun.COM>
Subject: [closed approved (again!)] PSARC/2004/505 ssh_config(4) option
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This case was closed (again) in PSARC today.

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Darren J Moffat

