From sacadmin Fri May 5 16:51:56 2006 Received: from sac.sfbay.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.12.9+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k45NpuIQ023213; Fri, 5 May 2006 16:51:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from alanc@localhost) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.12.9+Sun/8.12.9/Submit) id k45Npth4023209; Fri, 5 May 2006 16:51:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 16:51:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Coopersmith Message-Id: <200605052351.k45Npth4023209@sac.sfbay.sun.com> To: PSARC@sac.sfbay.sun.com Cc: lsarc-members@sun.com Subject: Decomposition of SUNWxwplt [PSARC/2006/302 Timeout: 05/12/2006] Status: RO Content-Length: 4112 Subject: PSARC FastTrack [05/12/2006]: Decomposition of SUNWxwplt I am sponsoring this fasttrack for myself with a timeout of Friday, May 12. I am submitting to PSARC and cc'ing LSARC since the projects that primarily depend on this are reviewed by both ARCs. This case has a Minor release binding. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.56 10/26/05 SMI 1. Introduction 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: Decomposition of SUNWxwplt 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: Author: Alan Coopersmith 1.3 Date of This Document: 05 May, 2006 4. Technical Description For many releases, Solaris has contained a SUNWxwplt package that contains the "X Window System Platform", including both the Xsun server and its dependencies, and the X client libraries needed by X applications. This has led to many customer requests to split these packages to allow for minimization, so that servers without local displays can have X client packages, such as the JVM, installed without wasting space on an unnecessary X server, or without the risk of having the setuid/setgid Xserver when hardening for security. Additionally, as we move to the Xorg server, fewer and fewer machines will need Xsun, and once the WOS install miniroot is converted to use Xorg, it will also not need the space burden of Xsun. This case thus splits the SUNWxwplt jumbo package into 4 smaller packages. SUNWxwplt will continue to contain the X client libraries and programs, since that is the portion needed by most packages listing a SUNWxwplt dependency, especially from packages outside of Sun's control. Three new packages will be created: SUNWxsun-server: Xsun server SUNWxsun-keytables: Xsun keytables SUNWxprint-server: Xprt server The contents of SUNWxwplt moved to these packages will be: SUNWxsun-server: /usr/openwin/bin/Xsun 1600 k DPS files in /usr/openwin/lib/X11 247 k /usr/openwin/server/etc/OWconfig 23 k /usr/openwin/server/etc/*im* 80 k /usr/openwin/server/lib/ 4927 k /usr/openwin/server/modules 1201 k SUNWxsun-keytables: /usr/openwin/lib/X11/xkb 1263 k /usr/openwin/share/etc/keytables 906 k SUNWxprint-server: /usr/openwin/bin/Xprt 1840 k /usr/openwin/server/etc/XpConfig/* 37 k SUNWxsun-server will depend on SUNWxsun-keytables. (The keytables are split into a separate package to allow the G11n consolidation to take ownership, since they are responsible for the keyboard layouts.) SUNWxprint-server will depend on SUNWxsun-server (until implementation is switched to Xorg version, when this will change to SUNWxorg-server). The SSG Graphics, x86 Platform, and Sun Ray teams will be notified that they need to change their packages which deliver Xsun modules to depend on SUNWxsun-server instead of SUNWxwplt. (Since SUNWxwplt will still be present, their packages will not fail to install, just fail to enforce the dependency on the Xsun server software.) No case can be found in ARC history that established SUNWxwplt. References to it vary on its stability - PSARC 1993/666 imported it as "Uncommitted", LSARC/2001/125 imported it as "Stable". Due to the large number of packages which must depend on it as the provider of libX11 and related X client libraries, this case assumes that SUNWxwplt as the provider of X client libraries is Stable. For now this case exports SUNWxsun-server & SUNWxsun-keytables as Unstable, with the expectation that a Xsun EOF announcement case will downgrade them to Obsolete at a date TBD. Imported interfaces: -------------------- SUNWxwplt Stable Exported interfaces: -------------------- SUNWxsun-server Unstable SUNWxsun-keytables Unstable SUNWxprint-server Unstable 6. Resources and Schedule 6.4. Steering Committee requested information 6.4.1. Consolidation C-team Name: X Consolidation / Desktop C-Team 6.5. ARC review type: FastTrack From sacadmin Fri May 5 20:17:01 2006 Received: from jurassic.eng.sun.com (jurassic.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.106.31]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.12.9+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k463H1IQ027008; Fri, 5 May 2006 20:17:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hawaiian-sun (vpn-129-150-12-95.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.150.12.95]) by jurassic.eng.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6) with SMTP id k463GstU132014; Fri, 5 May 2006 20:16:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200605060316.k463GstU132014@jurassic.eng.sun.com> Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 17:15:27 -1000 (HST) From: Joseph Kowalski Reply-To: Joseph Kowalski Subject: Re: Decomposition of SUNWxwplt [PSARC/2006/302 Timeout: 05/12/2006] To: PSARC@sac.sfbay.sun.com, alanc@sac.sfbay.sun.com Cc: lsarc-members@sun.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: Ha94hzerNN5mr5aD+g7Euw== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.7_20 SunOS 5.11 i86pc i386 Status: RO Content-Length: 853 > From: Alan Coopersmith ... > This has led to many customer requests to split these packages to allow for > minimization, so that servers without local displays can have X client > packages, such as the JVM, installed without wasting space on an unnecessary > X server, or without the risk of having the setuid/setgid Xserver when > hardening for security. Really? I always think rotating rust is so cheep these days. (Just an aside.) > Imported interfaces: > -------------------- > SUNWxwplt Stable Doesn't this case export the package name? All the references you cited also claimed to import it. Somebody should export it. Also, dispite what other *importing* cases may have said, at least I could live with Unstable/Uncommitted. (I always take importing statements of stability with a grain of salt.) - jek3 From sacadmin Mon May 8 06:11:40 2006 Received: from nis-uk.uk.sun.com (nis-uk.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.41]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.12.9+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k48DBdIQ001390; Mon, 8 May 2006 06:11:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from enospc.uk.sun.com (enospc [129.156.173.14]) by nis-uk.uk.sun.com (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id k48DBboR029391; Mon, 8 May 2006 14:11:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from [129.150.120.102] (vpn-129-150-120-102.UK.Sun.COM [129.150.120.102]) by enospc.uk.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/CTE 3.0) with ESMTP id k48DBaCs012410; Mon, 8 May 2006 14:11:37 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <445F4372.9040006@Sun.COM> Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 14:11:14 +0100 From: Darren J Moffat User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20060113) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joseph Kowalski CC: PSARC@sac.sfbay.sun.com, alanc@sac.sfbay.sun.com, lsarc-members@Sun.COM Subject: Re: Decomposition of SUNWxwplt [PSARC/2006/302 Timeout: 05/12/2006] References: <200605060316.k463GstU132014@jurassic.eng.sun.com> In-Reply-To: <200605060316.k463GstU132014@jurassic.eng.sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Content-Length: 848 Joseph Kowalski wrote: >> From: Alan Coopersmith > ... >> This has led to many customer requests to split these packages to allow for >> minimization, so that servers without local displays can have X client >> packages, such as the JVM, installed without wasting space on an unnecessary >> X server, or without the risk of having the setuid/setgid Xserver when >> hardening for security. > > Really? I always think rotating rust is so cheep these days. (Just an aside.) It isn't a space thing it is a religion thing about not having the bits installed. It has been beaten to death many many times. Personally I believe this case has sufficient merit without the minimization argument that it can be ignored as part of the justification. That being said it will make the minimalists happy. -- Darren J Moffat From sacadmin Mon May 8 10:14:24 2006 Received: from jurassic.eng.sun.com (jurassic.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.56.36]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.12.9+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k48HEOIQ012525; Mon, 8 May 2006 10:14:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hawaiian-sun (vpn-129-150-12-95.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.150.12.95]) by jurassic.eng.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6) with SMTP id k48HEHnr416460; Mon, 8 May 2006 10:14:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200605081714.k48HEHnr416460@jurassic.eng.sun.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 07:12:44 -1000 (HST) From: Joseph Kowalski Reply-To: Joseph Kowalski Subject: Re: Decomposition of SUNWxwplt [PSARC/2006/302 Timeout: 05/12/2006] To: Joseph.Kowalski@eng.sun.com, Darren.Moffat@Sun.COM Cc: PSARC@sac.sfbay.sun.com, alanc@sac.sfbay.sun.com, lsarc-members@Sun.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: PXNLyPW9+ETiRRWYoD9pvQ== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.7_20 SunOS 5.11 i86pc i386 Status: RO Content-Length: 304 > From: Darren J Moffat ... > Personally I believe this case has sufficient merit without the > minimization argument that it can be ignored as part of the > justification. That being said it will make the minimalists happy. So do I (and the question was an aside). - jek3 From sacadmin Wed May 10 10:18:53 2006 Received: from phys-d3-ha21sca-1 (phys-d3-ha21sca-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.163]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4AHIrdK024735 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 10:18:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.ha21sca-mail1.sfbay.sun.com by ha21sca-mail1.sfbay.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.24 (built Dec 19 2003)) id <0IZ200H016PKOD@ha21sca-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> (original mail from alan.coopersmith@sun.com) for PSARC@sac.sfbay.sun.com; Wed, 10 May 2006 10:18:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (vpn-129-150-24-133.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.150.24.133]) by ha21sca-mail1.sfbay.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.24 (built Dec 19 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IZ2004K882TH8@ha21sca-mail1.sfbay.sun.com>; Wed, 10 May 2006 10:18:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:18:41 -0700 From: Alan Coopersmith Subject: Re: Decomposition of SUNWxwplt [PSARC/2006/302 Timeout: 05/12/2006] In-reply-to: <200605052351.k45Npth4023209@sac.sfbay.sun.com> To: PSARC@sac.sfbay.sun.com Cc: lsarc-members@sun.com Message-id: <44622071.1060901@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20060113) References: <200605052351.k45Npth4023209@sac.sfbay.sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 165 This case was approved today during ARC business. -- -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersmith@sun.com Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering