From sommerfeld@sun.com Tue Mar 13 12:39:23 2007 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l2DJdMxZ028992 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:39:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id l2DJdImd029250; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:39:21 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JEU0010DX9JBI00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:39:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.east.sun.com ([129.148.19.3]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JEU00LRSX9IIE10@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:39:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.east.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.east.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l2DJdGHA002902; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:39:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: (from sommerfeld@localhost) by localhost.east.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/Submit) id l2DJdGuR002901; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:39:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:39:15 -0400 From: Bill Sommerfeld Subject: 2007/152 Tadpole Platform Support To: PSARC-EXT@sun.com Cc: garrett@damore.org Message-id: <1173814755.2344.48.camel@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 X-Authentication-warning: localhost.east.sun.com: sommerfeld set sender to sommerfeld@sun.com using -f Status: RO Content-Length: 7385 I'm sponsoring this fast-track for Garrett D'Amore. Timer expires 03/20/2007. Release binding is "Patch"; stability level for the TAD,* platform names defined by this case is "Committed". Problem ------- Sun recently had on the market a line of laptops from OEM vendors under the marketing name Ultra 3. One of these was the Tadpole SPARCLE, which is essentially a grover (SunBlade 100) in a mobile case. There are other changes, such as improvements for power management, touchpad management, and such. Historically, Tadpole has always provided its own kernel software for its platforms, but we would like to integrate as much of our support into OpenSolaris as possible. This will make it easier for customers to run the latest Solaris release, and will also enable customers to install directly from Sun-supplied media rather than requiring custom media from Tadpole. Proposed Solution ----------------- We want to initially provide a uname -i for these platforms, which has already been determined. The platforms we want to do this for are: uname -i platform codename ----------------------------------------------------------------- TAD,UltraBookIIe UltraBookII dinsdale TAD,Sparcbook5000 Sparcbook5000 phoenix TAD,SPARCLE SPARCLE douglas TAD,Viper Viper viper The first three of these are UltraSPARC 2e laptops, but they have very different system boards, and so signficant differences in peripherals, and bus layouts. They also different power management units (PMUs) and batteries. The last is Viper, which is a 15" UltraSPARC 3i based laptop. (It also covers the SPARCLE1000, which is the same except that the cpu is restricted to 1GHz.) A significant point with this last one is that there is also a group of 17" laptops which have the same name in OBP, but which are quite different. Collectively, these are known as Bullfrog, but they include at least 3 three different major board revisions. We are not proposing to deal with Bullfrog at this time. Some will point out that Tadpole is now a part of General Dynamics. However, these platforms have been shipping for a long time, and changing "TAD," to "GD," is not be practical for the installed base. We are only requesting permission to allocate the names, integrate the platmods, and establish the directories for them in /platform and /usr/platform at this time. We will use symbolic links to existing platforms or the generic sun4u directories where appropriate. This will also let us use of some optimized code for UltraSPARC 3i processors that we currently do not get with the default platform name that gets assigned, "sun4u". We would also like to reserve, for future use, the following names: TAD,UltraBookIIi TAD,VoyagerIIi These names will require a firmware update to existing products to make use of, as they currently self-identify as SUNW,Ultra-5_10, which is most definitely not correct (there are in fact some conflicting differences between these platforms.) Reserving the names now gives us the option of releasing a firmware update, so that we can cleanly resolve the differences in Solaris. We would like to use the code names above in the source tree, so that we would be adding directories such as "usr/src/uts/sun4u/douglas" and "usr/src/uts/sun4u/phoenix" to the tree. Missing Functionality --------------------- Power management and other platform-specific features will be introduced in follow-on cases. Generally, without these features, the platforms function properly, but suffer from minor failings. For example, the system beeper may not be active, and there will not be a way to get power status information. The built-in pointing device may not support some enhanced features like palm detection, etc. Some specific peripherals like integrated SDcard and MMC readers and WLAN devices may not function. Generally, the platform will be functional enough to install Solaris, as well as install any additional software received from Tadpole. Also, the changes we are proposing will not conflict with future enhancements received from Tadpole and do not conflict with the software currently provided by Tadpole for these platforms. Commitment Level ---------------- We are request that the above names be established as "Committed", save for the two names we are reserving but not delivering any changes at this time ("TAD,UltraBookIIi" and "TAD,VoyagerIIi"). Appendix I: Future Functionality --------------------------------- We anticipate providing the following in subsequent putbacks, after obtaining any additional needed ARC approval. (Note however that this is just for informational purposes, and is not part of what we are requesting permission for at this time.) - power button support - power management support (pending support from Solaris framework, such as that used by ACPI). This includes details like lidswitch actions, battery management, LCD backlight control, etc. We'd like this to include features for defining the action to take on events such as external DC power being removed, the battery hitting certain low-power thresholds, etc. - "extra" button support ("E" buttons)... though the details of how these get to userland are not worked out (ACPI? sysevent?) - integrated WLAN support (pcpw enhancements, if neeeded, to work with miniPCI PRISM 2.5 devices) -- these aren't necessarily platform specific. - integrated SDcard/MMC/Memory Stick reader support. This might have to come as a closed binary delivery, due to the NDAs under which they were developed. - keyboard enhancements for Sun keys on PS/2 keyboards (CR 6484159) - enhancements to touchpad support (palm detection, doubletap, etc.) - bug fixes to cardbus for any platforms that need it Appendix II: Past and present Tadpole platforms ----------------------------------------------- Here are the platforms that Tadpole has shipped in the past (for which at some point we might want to add support to Solaris): name uname -i code name notes ------------------------------------------------------------------------ SPARCbook5000 TAD,Sparcbook5000 phoenix ultra2e laptop (also SPARCbook6000), black case, dual hard disks, SXGA+ DFP, rage graphics SPARCLE TAD,SPARCLE douglas ultra2e laptop, sun blue case, also OEM'd as Ultra 3. single hdd, SD/MMC reader, XGA DFP, rage UltraBook IIe TAD,UltraBookIIe dinsdale 1st gen ultra2e laptop, heavy metal case, XGA DFP, derived from UltraIIi. Viper TAD,Viper viper ultrasparc3i based 15" laptop. (same case as douglas) aka SPARCLE1000 Bullfrog TAD,Viper bullfrog this covers a variety of 17" mobile servers, including single and dual cpu models, diff. graphics boards, etc. Unfortunately, these reused the TAD,Viper designation. Voyager IIi SUNW,Ultra-5_10 voyager2i a shoebox-ish model, largely a U10 in a box, but with custom power, etc. its unfortunate that the uname -i was not changed. there are two submodels with some significant differences in the busses. UltraBook IIi SUNW,Ultra-5_10 ultrabook2i basically a mobile U10. again, unfortunately, a different value for uname -i was not used. From garrett@damore.org Tue Mar 13 12:50:37 2007 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l2DJobXS029130 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:50:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id l2DJoXQi017682; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:50:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JEU00I1DXSBR600@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:50:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com ([192.18.98.34]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JEU00G6SXSAHW90@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:50:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay43i.sun.com ([192.5.209.74]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l2DItDHf014029; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:50:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mms49es.sun.com ([160.41.221.233] [160.41.221.233]) by relay43i.sun.com with ESMTP; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:50:34 +0000 (Z) Received: from relay43i.sun.com ([192.5.209.74] [192.5.209.74]) by mms49es.sun.com with ESMTP; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:50:32 +0000 (Z) Received: from occp5.ocservers.net ([216.73.122.2] [216.73.122.2]) by relay4i.sun.com with ESMTP; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:50:31 +0000 (Z) Received: from cpe-76-175-131-112.socal.res.rr.com ([76.175.131.112] helo=[192.168.251.21]) by occp5.ocservers.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HRD10-00034o-9x; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:50:34 -0700 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:50:30 -0700 From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: Re: 2007/152 Tadpole Platform Support In-reply-to: <1173814755.2344.48.camel@localhost> To: Bill Sommerfeld Cc: PSARC-EXT@sun.com Message-id: <45F70086.6050009@damore.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - occp5.ocservers.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - sun.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - damore.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: References: <1173814755.2344.48.camel@localhost> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060915) Status: RO Content-Length: 210 One small correction, the UltraBook IIi does actually have a real code-name, "huxley". I'd like to use that as the directory name for it, if we ever get around to adding support in properly. -- Garrett From alan.coopersmith@sun.com Tue Mar 13 14:03:14 2007 Received: from sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l2DL3DAb003390 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:03:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id l2DL37mR026137; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 05:03:12 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JEV00D111588T00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:03:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sfbaymail1sca.SFBay.Sun.COM ([129.145.154.35]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JEV00LI7157IAB0@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:03:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [129.146.108.211] (almas.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.108.211]) by sfbaymail1sca.SFBay.Sun.COM (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id l2DL35SJ015427; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:03:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:03:05 -0700 From: Alan Coopersmith Subject: Re: 2007/152 Tadpole Platform Support In-reply-to: <1173814755.2344.48.camel@localhost> To: Bill Sommerfeld Cc: PSARC-EXT@sun.com, garrett@damore.org Message-id: <45F71189.4020603@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <1173814755.2344.48.camel@localhost> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0pre (X11/20070214) Status: RO Content-Length: 923 Bill Sommerfeld wrote: > Appendix I: Future Functionality > --------------------------------- > > - power management support (pending support from Solaris framework, > such as that used by ACPI). This includes details like lidswitch > actions, battery management, LCD backlight control, etc. We'd like > this to include features for defining the action to take on events > such as external DC power being removed, the battery hitting certain > low-power thresholds, etc. For said future project, please work with the framework defined in PSARC 2006/601, so that existing consumers of that framework, such as the GNOME battery monitor (LSARC/2006/640) just work. [Of course, we'll need to prod the owners of both those cases to make them open, since they're both currently closed.] -- -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersmith@sun.com Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering From garrett@damore.org Tue Mar 13 14:13:41 2007 Received: from sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l2DLDdfR003531 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:13:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id l2DLDY80029488; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 05:13:36 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JEV0070L1MNEI00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:13:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sca-ea-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.43.24]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JEV004MC1MM6V80@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:13:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay42i.sun.com ([192.5.209.72]) by sca-ea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l2DLDYpU008265; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:13:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mms48es.sun.com ([160.41.221.231] [160.41.221.231]) by relay42i.sun.com with ESMTP; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:13:34 +0000 (Z) Received: from relay44i.sun.com ([192.5.209.118] [192.5.209.118]) by mms48es.sun.com with ESMTP; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:13:34 +0000 (Z) Received: from occp5.ocservers.net ([216.73.122.2] [216.73.122.2]) by relay4i.sun.com with ESMTP; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:13:33 +0000 (Z) Received: from cpe-76-175-131-112.socal.res.rr.com ([76.175.131.112] helo=[192.168.251.21]) by occp5.ocservers.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HREJM-0007Mp-Sk; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:13:36 -0700 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:13:32 -0700 From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: Re: 2007/152 Tadpole Platform Support In-reply-to: <45F71189.4020603@sun.com> To: Alan Coopersmith Cc: Bill Sommerfeld , PSARC-EXT@sun.com Message-id: <45F713FC.3050005@damore.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - occp5.ocservers.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - sun.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - damore.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: References: <1173814755.2344.48.camel@localhost> <45F71189.4020603@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060915) Status: RO Content-Length: 1071 Alan Coopersmith wrote: > Bill Sommerfeld wrote: >> Appendix I: Future Functionality >> --------------------------------- >> >> - power management support (pending support from Solaris framework, >> such as that used by ACPI). This includes details like lidswitch >> actions, battery management, LCD backlight control, etc. We'd >> like >> this to include features for defining the action to take on events >> such as external DC power being removed, the battery hitting >> certain >> low-power thresholds, etc. > > For said future project, please work with the framework defined in > PSARC 2006/601, so that existing consumers of that framework, such as > the GNOME > battery monitor (LSARC/2006/640) just work. > > [Of course, we'll need to prod the owners of both those cases to make > them > open, since they're both currently closed.] Absolutely, I want to work with the frameworks that area already there, I don't want to create new frameworks or introduce Tadpole proprietary ones if we can at all help it. -- Garrett From Darren.Reed@Sun.COM Tue Mar 13 14:15:21 2007 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l2DLFKK2003553 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:15:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id l2DLFKYr029034; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:15:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JEV00F051PH1R00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:15:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sineb-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.19.6]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JEV00LXA1PGIF90@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:15:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-apac-06.sun.com (fe-apac-06.sun.com [192.18.19.177] (may be forged)) by sineb-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l2DLFFsc020265; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:15:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-apac.sun.com by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0JEV000011DYDE00@mail-apac.sun.com> (original mail from Darren.Reed@Sun.COM); Wed, 14 Mar 2007 05:15:15 +0800 (SGT) Received: from [129.146.106.55] by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0JEV001VH1PDQ86L@mail-apac.sun.com>; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 05:15:15 +0800 (SGT) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:14:53 -0700 From: Darren.Reed@Sun.COM Subject: Re: 2007/152 Tadpole Platform Support In-reply-to: <1173814755.2344.48.camel@localhost> Sender: Darren.Reed@Sun.COM To: garrett@damore.org Cc: Bill Sommerfeld , PSARC-EXT@Sun.COM Message-id: <45F7144D.6070506@Sun.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <1173814755.2344.48.camel@localhost> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS i86pc; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20060120 Status: RO Content-Length: 994 Bill Sommerfeld wrote: >... >We are only requesting permission to allocate the names, integrate the >platmods, and establish the directories for them in /platform and >/usr/platform at this time. We will use symbolic links to existing >platforms or the generic sun4u directories where appropriate. > >... >We would like to use the code names above in the source tree, so that >we would be adding directories such as "usr/src/uts/sun4u/douglas" and >"usr/src/uts/sun4u/phoenix" to the tree. > Has any consideration been given to using the prefix (TAD) as either a directory or part of the name of the directory in usr/src? While we don't have a large number of competitors here, it would seem reasonable to provide/enforce the means for multiple vendors to use the same "code name" without stepping on each other's toes for directories. Whilst I'm aware that there are presently only two vendors active in this space (and not likely to be many more), it would seem we can benefit. Darren From garrett@damore.org Tue Mar 13 14:57:38 2007 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l2DLvcIE007246 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:57:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id l2DLvZUe007931; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JEV00L073NZBI00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:57:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.98.31]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JEV00K8B3NZH300@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:57:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay44i.sun.com ([192.5.209.118]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l2DLoQb8009377; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:57:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mms49es.sun.com ([160.41.221.233] [160.41.221.233]) by relay44i.sun.com with ESMTP; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:57:34 +0000 (Z) Received: from relay44i.sun.com ([192.5.209.118] [192.5.209.118]) by mms49es.sun.com with ESMTP; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:57:33 +0000 (Z) Received: from occp5.ocservers.net ([216.73.122.2] [216.73.122.2]) by relay4i.sun.com with ESMTP; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:57:33 +0000 (Z) Received: from cpe-76-175-131-112.socal.res.rr.com ([76.175.131.112] helo=[192.168.251.21]) by occp5.ocservers.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HREzw-0001EV-E9; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:57:36 -0700 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:57:31 -0700 From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: Re: 2007/152 Tadpole Platform Support In-reply-to: <45F7144D.6070506@Sun.COM> To: Darren.Reed@sun.com Cc: Bill Sommerfeld , PSARC-EXT@sun.com Message-id: <45F71E4B.7080901@damore.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - occp5.ocservers.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - sun.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - damore.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: References: <1173814755.2344.48.camel@localhost> <45F7144D.6070506@Sun.COM> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060915) Status: RO Content-Length: 2342 Darren.Reed@Sun.COM wrote: > Bill Sommerfeld wrote: > >> ... >> We are only requesting permission to allocate the names, integrate the >> platmods, and establish the directories for them in /platform and >> /usr/platform at this time. We will use symbolic links to existing >> platforms or the generic sun4u directories where appropriate. >> >> ... >> We would like to use the code names above in the source tree, so that >> we would be adding directories such as "usr/src/uts/sun4u/douglas" and >> "usr/src/uts/sun4u/phoenix" to the tree. >> > > Has any consideration been given to using the prefix (TAD) > as either a directory or part of the name of the directory in > usr/src? While we don't have a large number of competitors > here, it would seem reasonable to provide/enforce the means > for multiple vendors to use the same "code name" without > stepping on each other's toes for directories. > > Whilst I'm aware that there are presently only two vendors > active in this space (and not likely to be many more), it > would seem we can benefit. I don't mind having TAD, as a directory prefix, but I do not want to create a separate hierarchy, for the simple reason that having the directories live at different levels will introduce gratuitous change in Makefiles that are otherwise nearly identical. (E.g. sparcle has Makefiles that are copied from grover, and are almost identical.) At this point, I consider the likelihood of directory name collisions to be really small though, and the extra TAD, prefix on some directories will have some ugly effects: 1) it will group the Tadpole platforms together -- AT THE TOP OF THE LISTING -- just after the Makefiles. 2) because of the above, it may imply that there is something "special" about either those names, or the platforms (and indeed there is, in so much as the fact that they are not Sun produced.) 3) it will just "look" ugly in the directory listings. Now, if we were to rename "all" the platform directories, such that SUNW,xxx is there next to TAD,xxx, that might work out ok. But then I would propose to abandon the code names in the directories, and instead use the actual uname -i's as the directory names. E.g. TAD,SPARCE, or SUNW,Ultra-5_10. :-) That would certainly reduce on layer of obfuscation in the source tree. :-) -- Garrett > > Darren > From Darren.Reed@sun.com Tue Mar 13 18:08:20 2007 Received: from sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l2E18JZd013735 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 18:08:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id l2E188CC005110; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:08:18 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JEV00G07CHR4000@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:08:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sineb-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.19.6]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JEV00AE3CHPFB80@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:08:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fe-apac-05.sun.com (fe-apac-05.sun.com [192.18.19.176] (may be forged)) by sineb-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l2E18DfN027018; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 01:08:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-apac.sun.com by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0JEV00L01CDCK300@mail-apac.sun.com> (original mail from Darren.Reed@Sun.COM); Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:08:13 +0800 (SGT) Received: from [129.146.106.55] by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0JEV00BCYCHNZJLZ@mail-apac.sun.com>; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:08:13 +0800 (SGT) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 18:07:50 -0700 From: Darren.Reed@sun.com Subject: Re: 2007/152 Tadpole Platform Support In-reply-to: <45F71E4B.7080901@damore.org> Sender: Darren.Reed@sun.com To: "Garrett D'Amore" Cc: Bill Sommerfeld , PSARC-EXT@sun.com Message-id: <45F74AE6.7020507@Sun.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <1173814755.2344.48.camel@localhost> <45F7144D.6070506@Sun.COM> <45F71E4B.7080901@damore.org> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS i86pc; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20060120 Status: RO Content-Length: 2072 Garrett D'Amore wrote: >Darren.Reed@Sun.COM wrote: > > >>Bill Sommerfeld wrote: >> >> >> >>>... >>>We are only requesting permission to allocate the names, integrate the >>>platmods, and establish the directories for them in /platform and >>>/usr/platform at this time. We will use symbolic links to existing >>>platforms or the generic sun4u directories where appropriate. >>> >>>... >>>We would like to use the code names above in the source tree, so that >>>we would be adding directories such as "usr/src/uts/sun4u/douglas" and >>>"usr/src/uts/sun4u/phoenix" to the tree. >>> >>> >>> >>Has any consideration been given to using the prefix (TAD) >>as either a directory or part of the name of the directory in >>usr/src? While we don't have a large number of competitors >>here, it would seem reasonable to provide/enforce the means >>for multiple vendors to use the same "code name" without >>stepping on each other's toes for directories. >> >>Whilst I'm aware that there are presently only two vendors >>active in this space (and not likely to be many more), it >>would seem we can benefit. >> >> > >I don't mind having TAD, as a directory prefix, but I do not want to >create a separate hierarchy, for the simple reason that having the >directories live at different levels will introduce gratuitous change in >Makefiles that are otherwise nearly identical. (E.g. sparcle has >Makefiles that are copied from grover, and are almost identical.) > > ... It seems like the criticisms of using "TAD," as a prefix are mostly to do with the cosmetic appearance. Directory naming for platforms doesn't appear to be an issue for the x86 platform and it is really too late in the piece to bring in a new naming standard for outsiders, so I can't see why we should require "TAD,douglas" instead of "douglas" (in other words, stay as proposed.) But it is worth noting that this case causes the directory name space for platforms to become shared between all vendors wishing to provide code as part of OpenSolaris and is no longer just Sun's. Darren From carlsonj@phorcys.east.sun.com Wed Mar 14 05:39:05 2007 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l2ECd5wb025546 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 05:39:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id l2ECcvRo019415; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 12:39:02 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JEW00M058GX5O00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 05:38:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com ([129.148.174.143]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JEW0089K8GWUSE0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 05:38:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.0+Sun/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2ECcuwi010124; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:38:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from carlsonj@localhost) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.0+Sun/8.14.0/Submit) id l2ECcuxr010121; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:38:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:38:55 -0400 From: James Carlson Subject: Re: 2007/152 Tadpole Platform Support In-reply-to: <45F74AE6.7020507@Sun.COM> To: Darren.Reed@sun.com Cc: "Garrett D'Amore" , Bill Sommerfeld , PSARC-EXT@sun.com Message-id: <17911.60639.593667.581657@gargle.gargle.HOWL> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VM 7.01 under Emacs 21.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <1173814755.2344.48.camel@localhost> <45F7144D.6070506@Sun.COM> <45F71E4B.7080901@damore.org> <45F74AE6.7020507@Sun.COM> Status: RO Content-Length: 856 Darren.Reed@Sun.COM writes: > It seems like the criticisms of using "TAD," as a prefix are > mostly to do with the cosmetic appearance. This has to do with the way platform names are constructed, and a fair amount of software (including DHCP) depends on the format of these names. Yes, "TAD,douglas" is a good way to name the platform. > But it is worth noting that this case causes the directory > name space for platforms to become shared between all > vendors wishing to provide code as part of OpenSolaris > and is no longer just Sun's. True, but I would suggest that the source layout isn't really architectural in nature. -- James Carlson, Solaris Networking Sun Microsystems / 1 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677 From garrett@damore.org Wed Mar 14 08:15:49 2007 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l2EFFm6x029191 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:15:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id l2EFFiK5011441; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:15:44 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JEW00D09FQ7BH00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sca-ea-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.43.24]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JEW000JHFQ7A6E0@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay24.sun.com (ip192-12-251-74.block6.us.syntegra.com [192.12.251.74]) by sca-ea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l2EFFeCX000792; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:15:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mms23es.sun.com ([150.143.232.54] [150.143.232.54]) by relay24.sun.com with ESMTP; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:15:40 +0000 (Z) Received: from relay22.sun.com (relay22.sun.com [192.12.251.34]) by mms23es.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-1729260; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:15:39 +0000 (Z) Received: from occp5.ocservers.net ([216.73.122.2] [216.73.122.2]) by relay22.sun.com with ESMTP; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:15:39 +0000 (Z) Received: from cpe-76-175-131-112.socal.res.rr.com ([76.175.131.112] helo=[192.168.251.21]) by occp5.ocservers.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HRVCW-0001dC-T6; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:15:40 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:15:37 -0700 From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: Re: 2007/152 Tadpole Platform Support In-reply-to: <17911.60639.593667.581657@gargle.gargle.HOWL> To: James Carlson Cc: Darren.Reed@sun.com, Bill Sommerfeld , PSARC-EXT@sun.com Message-id: <45F81199.1060901@damore.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - occp5.ocservers.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - sun.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - damore.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: References: <1173814755.2344.48.camel@localhost> <45F7144D.6070506@Sun.COM> <45F71E4B.7080901@damore.org> <45F74AE6.7020507@Sun.COM> <17911.60639.593667.581657@gargle.gargle.HOWL> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060915) Status: RO Content-Length: 1263 James Carlson wrote: > Darren.Reed@Sun.COM writes: > >> It seems like the criticisms of using "TAD," as a prefix are >> mostly to do with the cosmetic appearance. >> > > This has to do with the way platform names are constructed, and a > fair amount of software (including DHCP) depends on the format of > these names. > > Yes, "TAD,douglas" is a good way to name the platform. > I don't think we're talking about the uname -i (i.e. the "name" property on the root node in the devinfo tree.) For uname -i names, I totally concur. But the issue was in respect to how directories in the source tree are named. Right now, code names are used that have no relationship to the uname -i names. (E.g. "grover" instead of "SUNW,Sun-Blade-100".) > >> But it is worth noting that this case causes the directory >> name space for platforms to become shared between all >> vendors wishing to provide code as part of OpenSolaris >> and is no longer just Sun's. >> > > True, but I would suggest that the source layout isn't really > architectural in nature. > Yes, but _someone_ has to approve these changes. I suppose a C-Team might be the right body to do so, but they're also going to take a lot of input from PSARC, I think. -- Garrett From sommerfeld@Sun.COM Wed Mar 21 16:10:05 2007 Received: from sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l2LNA4ki017190 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id l2LN9VeP020084; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 07:10:03 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JFA007010C4US00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:09:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastmail1bur.East.Sun.COM ([129.148.9.49]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JFA00ACL0C3GMB0@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:09:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thunk.east.sun.com (thunk.East.Sun.COM [129.148.174.66]) by eastmail1bur.East.Sun.COM (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id l2LN9cGx004307; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:09:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by thunk.east.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l2LN9crv024287; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:09:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:09:37 -0400 From: Bill Sommerfeld Subject: Re: 2007/152 Tadpole Platform Support In-reply-to: <1173814755.2344.48.camel@localhost> To: PSARC-EXT@Sun.COM Cc: garrett@damore.org Message-id: <1174518577.22436.81.camel@thunk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <1173814755.2344.48.camel@localhost> Status: RO Content-Length: 68 This case was approved during today's PSARC meeting. - Bill