From sacadmin Wed Apr 25 08:53:17 2007 Received: from sac.sfbay.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l3PFrHDY001879; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:53:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from darrenm@localhost) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/Submit) id l3PFrHO7001872; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:53:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:53:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Darren J Moffat Message-Id: <200704251553.l3PFrHO7001872@sac.sfbay.sun.com> To: PSARC@sac.sfbay.sun.com Cc: roland.mainz@nrubsig.org, shell-discussion@opensolaris.org Subject: Default shell environment: Skeleton user sh/ksh/ksh93/bash [PSARC/2007/234 Timeout: 05/02/2007] Status: RO Content-Length: 3721 Subject: PSARC FastTrack [05/02/2007]: Default shell environment: Skeleton user sh/ksh/ksh93/bash Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase %I% %G% SMI 1. Introduction 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: Default shell environment: Skeleton user sh/ksh/ksh93/bash 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: Author: Roland Mainz 1.3 Date of This Document: 25 April, 2007 4. Technical Description Default shell environment enhancements: Skeleton user sh/ksh/ksh93/bash Description and Justification: This case proposes to introduce a set of enhancements for the default shell environment in Solaris to provide a more user-friendly environment for new users which are not yet familar with all the details in Unix and to provide some help for adminstrators via introducing better system-wide defaults and more configuration options. The proposed changes are: - A change to "/etc/skel/local.profile". Currently the file contains (without lines beginning with '#'): -- snip -- stty istrip PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/ucb:/etc:. export PATH -- snip -- which is in the best case sub-optimal for a new user (e.g. the use of "/usr/ucb/" in a novice users default PATH may even be considered as harmfull). The case proposes that the current content should be removed and replaced with a comment that admins should edit "/etc/profile" (for sh/ksh/ksh93/bash/etc.) to change the PATH variable "globally" (e.g. machine-wide/site-wide) for all accounts (users can always edit "~/.profile" to override the settings but this should only be done optionally by _experienced_ users and _not_ by default for all new users). Any default settings of the default user login session environment should be done in "/etc/profile" or elsewhere but not in a per-user configuration file where it may be difficult for the adminstrator to redefine machine-/site-wide defaults later. Per-user files should strictly be used for user-specific customisations and if the user does not make any customisations the machine-/side-wide defaults should apply (e.g. the per-user files should be empty, however the empty files should still be delivered as documentation/hint/etc. how the system+user environment should be configured correctly - too many sites make a mess out of these little details). - "/etc/skel/local.bashrc" as a new file to the system as a per-user version of "/etc/bash.bashrc", the content should only be a comment that admins should edit "/etc/bash.bashrc" instead to define machine-/site-wide settings. - "/etc/skel/local.kshrc" as a new file to the system as a per-user version of "/etc/ksh.kshrc", the content should only be a comment that admins should edit "/etc/ksh.kshrc" instead to define machine-/site-wide settings. Interfaces: Interface Stability Description ========= ========= =========== /etc/skel/local.profile Uncommitted Per-system configuration file for sh/ksh/ksh93/bash login sessions, installed for new users /etc/skel/local.bashrc Uncommitted Per-user configuration file for interactive bash sessions, installed for new users /etc/skel/local.kshrc Uncommitted Per-user configuration file for interactive ksh/ksh93 sessions, installed for new users References: 1) Korn Shell 93 Integration external PSARC case which adds /etc/ksh.kshrc http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/caselog/2006/587/ 6. Resources and Schedule 6.4. Steering Committee requested information 6.4.1. Consolidation C-team Name: ON 6.5. ARC review type: FastTrack From Darren.Moffat@sun.com Fri May 4 03:19:17 2007 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l44AJHd6026796 for ; Fri, 4 May 2007 03:19:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id l44AII1a013498 for <@sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-EXT@sun.com>; Fri, 4 May 2007 03:18:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JHI00M0LHYE1W00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-EXT@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-EXT@sun.com); Fri, 04 May 2007 03:18:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gmp-ea-fw-1.sun.com ([129.156.42.6]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JHI00DM1HYD9K80@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-EXT@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-EXT@sun.com); Fri, 04 May 2007 03:18:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from d1-emea-09.sun.com ([192.18.2.119]) by gmp-ea-fw-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l44AIC80023235 for ; Fri, 04 May 2007 10:18:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.d1-emea-09.sun.com by d1-emea-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0JHI00F01HUCOU00@d1-emea-09.sun.com> (original mail from Darren.Moffat@Sun.COM) for PSARC-EXT@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-EXT@sun.com); Fri, 04 May 2007 11:18:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from [129.156.173.21] by d1-emea-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0JHI000KSHYCCR10@d1-emea-09.sun.com> for PSARC-EXT@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-EXT@sun.com); Fri, 04 May 2007 11:18:12 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 11:18:12 +0100 From: Darren J Moffat Subject: PSARC/2007/234 Default shell environment: Skeleton user sh/ksh/ksh93/bash In-reply-to: <20070504045537.GB5001@Sun.COM> Sender: Darren.Moffat@sun.com To: PSARC-EXT@sun.com Cc: shell-discuss@opensolaris.org Message-id: <463B0864.8030900@Sun.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <46312E4C.1020702@sun.com> <4632B411.9FC4D9C0@nrubsig.org> <46334f71.Fspbbj2lxSDxYvlQ%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4634E881.7020303@sun.com> <4639e213.HxGcPKKZCCfnNpOr%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <463a071f.riHD0ricfsQYHFDG%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <463A1657.5070504@Sun.Com> <463a44da.yugUJHFxs2nAKwvB%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <463AB26D.5040209@sun.com> <20070504045537.GB5001@Sun.COM> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0b2 (X11/20070326) Status: RO Content-Length: 532 The timer for this case was extended by one week, the timer now expires on Wednesday 9th May 2007. A point or two of order: Please keep comments specific to the proposal under review. Please keep the feedback technical: the following are good: change x causes a regression change x is incomplete change x has a security problem change x won't work with the foo part of the system the following aren't relevant for architecture review: I prefer y over x thing x that is unrelated should be done first -- Darren J Moffat From Darren.Moffat@sun.com Mon May 14 05:31:59 2007 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l4ECVxP2004398 for ; Mon, 14 May 2007 05:31:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id l4ECUpt0027841 for <@sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-EXT@sun.com>; Mon, 14 May 2007 05:30:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JI100F0P6RFRS00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-EXT@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-EXT@Sun.COM); Mon, 14 May 2007 05:30:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gmp-ea-fw-1.sun.com ([129.156.42.6]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JI100FGY6RFEL00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-EXT@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-EXT@Sun.COM); Mon, 14 May 2007 05:30:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from d1-emea-09.sun.com ([192.18.2.119]) by gmp-ea-fw-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l4ECUoGY016545 for ; Mon, 14 May 2007 12:30:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.d1-emea-09.sun.com by d1-emea-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0JI100J016KHH000@d1-emea-09.sun.com> (original mail from Darren.Moffat@Sun.COM) for PSARC-EXT@Sun.COM (ORCPT PSARC-EXT@Sun.COM); Mon, 14 May 2007 13:30:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from [129.156.173.21] by d1-emea-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0JI100CMJ6RE3B20@d1-emea-09.sun.com> for PSARC-EXT@Sun.COM (ORCPT PSARC-EXT@Sun.COM); Mon, 14 May 2007 13:30:50 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 13:30:50 +0100 From: Darren J Moffat Subject: PSARC/2007/234 [derailed] Default shell environment: Skeleton user sh/ksh/ksh93/bash Sender: Darren.Moffat@sun.com To: PSARC-EXT@sun.com Message-id: <4648567A.1020605@Sun.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0b2 (X11/20070326) Status: RO Content-Length: 813 This case was derailed at PSARC on Wednesday 9th May, since it was clear from the discussion that is was not reaching consensus and is deemed controversial to at least some members. The recommendation is to bring a full case to review covering all four of: 2007/233 Default shell environment: machine ksh93/bash environment 2007/234 Default shell environment: Skeleton user sh/ksh/ksh93/bash 2007/235 Default shell environment: manual page subsystem 2007/236 Default shell environment: TMPDIR There should be no further email discussion on this alias about these cases since they are no longer fast-tracks. The submitter and sponsor will arrange the next steps. The full case review should it happen will be an open review, details of how to attend will be sent if/when it is schedule. -- Darren J Moffat