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From: "Garrett D'Amore - sun microsystems" <gd78059@sac.sfbay.sun.com>
Subject: QFE/HME merge [PSARC/2007/404 FastTrack timeout 07/18/2007]
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I'm submitting the following on my own behalf; its another hme/qfe related
case.

Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.63 06/14/07 SMI
This information is Copyright 2007 Sun Microsystems
1. Introduction
    1.1. Project/Component Working Name:
	 QFE/HME merge
    1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier:
	 Author:  Garrett D'Amore
    1.3  Date of This Document:
	10 July, 2007
4. Technical Description

Background
----------

Sun currently ships an unbundled device driver for old
quad-fast-ethernet boards (qfe).  These devices are the same controller
as the Happy Meal Ethernet (hme), but there are four of them to a NIC, stuck
behind an Intel PCI bridge.  (SBus qfe cards exist as well, and are also
driven by the same Happy Meal Ethernet mac controller.)  The only
distinguishing feature of them is the presence of Fcode to change the
device name to "SUNW,qfe".

The qfe driver offered a few features that the old hme driver lacked: 
802.3ad trunking was supported using the unbundled Sun Trunking product
(but only between qfe ports), the qfe supported Sheffield-specific
fault tolerance.  (This was on the Netra ft1800, see PSARC 1997/146 for
more detail.)


Problem
-------

As a result of the commitment of the updated GLDv3 hme driver (see
PSARC 2007/319) hme on Solaris Nevada will have support for generic 802.3ad
link aggregation, VLAN support, IP instances, network auto-magic and IP
multipathing.  The new hme driver also supports IP hardware checksum offload, 
and has several other more minor enhancements.  (We expect that this new
hme driver will be putback in build 70 or 71, an RTI should be filed the
week of July 10.)

It would be nice if qfe could have these same features, could have its
source code be part of ON, and (since it is the same hardware!) use the
same source code as hme.


Propsal
-------

We propose the following course of action:

* move the bulk of hme into a common misc module (happymeal)
* make hme a thin layer above "happymeal" misc module
* create a new qfe driver in ON, which is also a thin layer above "happymeal"
* qfe/hme will use Solaris IP multipathing (instead of sheffield-specific fault
  tolerance)
* qfe will support Solaris/Nemo link aggregation
* Sun Trunking will continue to be used (for now) with ce and gem gigabit NICs

Customers will see the same issues with this transition that the hme and
eri nemo conversions created; namely there will be some impact to kstats
and ndd.  (ndd users must use the style 1 /dev/hmeX node.  some of the
kstats will be moved or renamed to facilitate more standard Nemo kstat
reporting.)

These details are recorded fully in PSARC 2007/319.


Sun Trunking Impact
-------------------

Customers with existing Sun Trunking configurations will, on upgrade to
Nevada (with this release) have their trunks destroyed, so that only
a single NIC (the active Trunk head) is plumbed.  Other former trunk
members will not be plumbed.  The customer will need to reconfigure
link aggregation manually using dladm.  (However, the customer will now
be able to use a larger set of devices in trunks.)

The reason for choosing this approach (as opposed to trying to automatically
"convert" Sun Trunking configurations) is that the Nevada link aggregation
facility introduces a new DLPI provider, aggr, such that customer
configurations (such as /etc/hostname.* files)  must be changed to reflect
the new aggregate devices.

For example, the old trunk "qfe0" maybe called "aggr0" after conversion
to the new Nemo aggregation code.

Attempting to discover all cases of use and automate the upgrade
would probably work for most cases, but for some cases where we are unaware
of the network configuration data, it is likely to cause more problems than
just asking the customer to manually recreate their configuration.

Additionally, with Nemo aggregation, the customer will now have new options
to choose from different devices to aggregate.

6. Resources and Schedule
    6.4. Steering Committee requested information
   	6.4.1. Consolidation C-team Name:
		ON
    6.5. ARC review type: FastTrack
    6.6. ARC Exposure: open


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On 7/10/07, Garrett D'Amore - sun microsystems
<gd78059@sac.sfbay.sun.com> wrote:
> I'm submitting the following on my own behalf; its another hme/qfe related
> case.
>
> Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.63 06/14/07 SMI
> This information is Copyright 2007 Sun Microsystems
> 1. Introduction
>     1.1. Project/Component Working Name:
>          QFE/HME merge
>     1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier:
>          Author:  Garrett D'Amore
>     1.3  Date of This Document:
>         10 July, 2007
> 4. Technical Description

Are you going to support QFE cards on x86?

Irek

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    Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:47:48 -0700 (PDT)
    From: "Garrett D'Amore" <gd78059@sac.sfbay.sun.com>
    Subject: QFE/HME merge [PSARC/2007/404 FastTrack timeout
	    07/18/2007]

    I'm submitting the following on my own behalf; its another hme/qfe
    related case.

    ...
    Sun Trunking Impact
    -------------------

    Customers with existing Sun Trunking configurations will, on
    upgrade to Nevada (with this release) have their trunks destroyed,
    so that only a single NIC (the active Trunk head) is plumbed.
    Other former trunk members will not be plumbed.  The customer will
    need to reconfigure link aggregation manually using dladm.
    (However, the customer will now be able to use a larger set of
    devices in trunks.)
    ...

I didn't see a release binding stated in the proposal.  Given the
trunking impact outlined above, it seems that it has to be minor.
Right?

		-- Glenn


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Glenn Skinner wrote:
>     Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:47:48 -0700 (PDT)
>     From: "Garrett D'Amore" <gd78059@sac.sfbay.sun.com>
>     Subject: QFE/HME merge [PSARC/2007/404 FastTrack timeout
> 	    07/18/2007]
>
>     I'm submitting the following on my own behalf; its another hme/qfe
>     related case.
>
>     ...
>     Sun Trunking Impact
>     -------------------
>
>     Customers with existing Sun Trunking configurations will, on
>     upgrade to Nevada (with this release) have their trunks destroyed,
>     so that only a single NIC (the active Trunk head) is plumbed.
>     Other former trunk members will not be plumbed.  The customer will
>     need to reconfigure link aggregation manually using dladm.
>     (However, the customer will now be able to use a larger set of
>     devices in trunks.)
>     ...
>
> I didn't see a release binding stated in the proposal.  Given the
> trunking impact outlined above, it seems that it has to be minor.
> Right?
>   

Doh, I should have mentioned that.  Yes, its minor binding.  (I wonder 
if that should be one of the standard questions that sac_nextcase asks.)

And not just because of trunking.  ndd scripts that use /dev/qfe will 
have to be updated to use /dev/qfeX (where X is the device instance number).

    -- Garret


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I. Szczesniak wrote:
> On 7/10/07, Garrett D'Amore - sun microsystems
> <gd78059@sac.sfbay.sun.com> wrote:
>> I'm submitting the following on my own behalf; its another hme/qfe 
>> related
>> case.
>>
>> Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.63 06/14/07 SMI
>> This information is Copyright 2007 Sun Microsystems
>> 1. Introduction
>>     1.1. Project/Component Working Name:
>>          QFE/HME merge
>>     1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier:
>>          Author:  Garrett D'Amore
>>     1.3  Date of This Document:
>>         10 July, 2007
>> 4. Technical Description
>
> Are you going to support QFE cards on x86?
>
> Irek

Not as part of this case.

I have asked around and gotten *very* little interest in x86 support for 
these NICs.  Adding such support is not too hard, but it isn't trivial 
either.  Right now only you and Darren Reed have expressed interest.  
(Assuming you are expressing interest?)

If more people come forward asking for support, I might work on it on 
the side.  Its scope-of-effort is a day or so.  (Testing being the 
*bigger* consideration.)

    -- Garrett


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On Tue, 10 Jul 2007, Garrett D'Amore wrote:

> I. Szczesniak wrote:
>> On 7/10/07, Garrett D'Amore - sun microsystems
>> <gd78059@sac.sfbay.sun.com> wrote:
>>> I'm submitting the following on my own behalf; its another hme/qfe
>>> related
>>> case.
>>>
>>> Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.63 06/14/07 SMI
>>> This information is Copyright 2007 Sun Microsystems
>>> 1. Introduction
>>>     1.1. Project/Component Working Name:
>>>          QFE/HME merge
>>>     1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier:
>>>          Author:  Garrett D'Amore
>>>     1.3  Date of This Document:
>>>         10 July, 2007
>>> 4. Technical Description
>>
>> Are you going to support QFE cards on x86?
>>
>> Irek
>
> Not as part of this case.
>
> I have asked around and gotten *very* little interest in x86 support for
> these NICs.  Adding such support is not too hard, but it isn't trivial
> either.  Right now only you and Darren Reed have expressed interest.
> (Assuming you are expressing interest?)
>
> If more people come forward asking for support, I might work on it on
> the side.  Its scope-of-effort is a day or so.  (Testing being the
> *bigger* consideration.)

We have 3 or 4 qfe cards lying around here and I'd love to be able to 
use them in x86 boxes.  With zones supporting separate IP stack per 
physical port, dual and quad port cards become even more useful - 
altough we've been equiping boxes with gigabit cards for a long time 
now and the majority of our production ports are gigabit capable.

So ... "nice to have" is how I'd rate it .... and I'm willing to help 
you test if you decide to make it a priority.

Regards,

Al Hopper  Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX.  al@logical-approach.com
            Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134  Timezone: US CDT
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On 7/11/07, Al Hopper <al@logical-approach.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 10 Jul 2007, Garrett D'Amore wrote:
>
> > I. Szczesniak wrote:
> >> On 7/10/07, Garrett D'Amore - sun microsystems
> >> <gd78059@sac.sfbay.sun.com> wrote:
> >>> I'm submitting the following on my own behalf; its another hme/qfe
> >>> related
> >>> case.
> >>>
> >>> Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.63 06/14/07 SMI
> >>> This information is Copyright 2007 Sun Microsystems
> >>> 1. Introduction
> >>>     1.1. Project/Component Working Name:
> >>>          QFE/HME merge
> >>>     1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier:
> >>>          Author:  Garrett D'Amore
> >>>     1.3  Date of This Document:
> >>>         10 July, 2007
> >>> 4. Technical Description
> >>
> >> Are you going to support QFE cards on x86?
> >>
> >> Irek
> >
> > Not as part of this case.
> >
> > I have asked around and gotten *very* little interest in x86 support for
> > these NICs.  Adding such support is not too hard, but it isn't trivial
> > either.  Right now only you and Darren Reed have expressed interest.
> > (Assuming you are expressing interest?)
> >
> > If more people come forward asking for support, I might work on it on
> > the side.  Its scope-of-effort is a day or so.  (Testing being the
> > *bigger* consideration.)
>
> We have 3 or 4 qfe cards lying around here and I'd love to be able to
> use them in x86 boxes.  With zones supporting separate IP stack per
> physical port, dual and quad port cards become even more useful -
> altough we've been equiping boxes with gigabit cards for a long time
> now and the majority of our production ports are gigabit capable.
>
> So ... "nice to have" is how I'd rate it .... and I'm willing to help
> you test if you decide to make it a priority.
>

Nice to have for me too.

Boyd

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<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 7/11/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Al Hopper</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:al@logical-approach.com">al@logical-approach.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007, Garrett D&#39;Amore wrote:<br><br>&gt; I. Szczesniak wrote:<br>&gt;&gt; On 7/10/07, Garrett D&#39;Amore - sun microsystems<br>&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:gd78059@sac.sfbay.sun.com">gd78059@sac.sfbay.sun.com
</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; I&#39;m submitting the following on my own behalf; its another hme/qfe<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; related<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; case.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.63 06/14/07 SMI
<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; This information is Copyright 2007 Sun Microsystems<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; 1. Introduction<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1.1. Project/Component Working Name:<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;QFE/HME merge<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier:
<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Author:&nbsp;&nbsp;Garrett D&#39;Amore<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1.3&nbsp;&nbsp;Date of This Document:<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 10 July, 2007<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; 4. Technical Description<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Are you going to support QFE cards on x86?
<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Irek<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Not as part of this case.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I have asked around and gotten *very* little interest in x86 support for<br>&gt; these NICs.&nbsp;&nbsp;Adding such support is not too hard, but it isn&#39;t trivial
<br>&gt; either.&nbsp;&nbsp;Right now only you and Darren Reed have expressed interest.<br>&gt; (Assuming you are expressing interest?)<br>&gt;<br>&gt; If more people come forward asking for support, I might work on it on<br>&gt; the side.&nbsp;&nbsp;Its scope-of-effort is a day or so.&nbsp;&nbsp;(Testing being the
<br>&gt; *bigger* consideration.)<br><br>We have 3 or 4 qfe cards lying around here and I&#39;d love to be able to<br>use them in x86 boxes.&nbsp;&nbsp;With zones supporting separate IP stack per<br>physical port, dual and quad port cards become even more useful -
<br>altough we&#39;ve been equiping boxes with gigabit cards for a long time<br>now and the majority of our production ports are gigabit capable.<br><br>So ... &quot;nice to have&quot; is how I&#39;d rate it .... and I&#39;m willing to help
<br>you test if you decide to make it a priority.<br></blockquote></div><br>Nice to have for me too.<br><br>Boyd<br><br>

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On 7/10/07, Garrett D'Amore <Garrett.Damore@sun.com> wrote:
> I. Szczesniak wrote:
> > On 7/10/07, Garrett D'Amore - sun microsystems
> > <gd78059@sac.sfbay.sun.com> wrote:
> >> I'm submitting the following on my own behalf; its another hme/qfe
> >> related
> >> case.
> >>
> >> Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.63 06/14/07 SMI
> >> This information is Copyright 2007 Sun Microsystems
> >> 1. Introduction
> >>     1.1. Project/Component Working Name:
> >>          QFE/HME merge
> >>     1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier:
> >>          Author:  Garrett D'Amore
> >>     1.3  Date of This Document:
> >>         10 July, 2007
> >> 4. Technical Description
> >
> > Are you going to support QFE cards on x86?
> >
> > Irek
>
> Not as part of this case.
>
> I have asked around and gotten *very* little interest in x86 support for
> these NICs.

Did you ask in alt.solaris.x86 or Sun Managers?

> Adding such support is not too hard, but it isn't trivial
> either.  Right now only you and Darren Reed have expressed interest.
> (Assuming you are expressing interest?)

I am expressing interest.

Irek

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I. Szczesniak wrote:
> On 7/10/07, Garrett D'Amore <Garrett.Damore@sun.com> wrote:
>> I. Szczesniak wrote:
>> > On 7/10/07, Garrett D'Amore - sun microsystems
>> > <gd78059@sac.sfbay.sun.com> wrote:
>> >> I'm submitting the following on my own behalf; its another hme/qfe
>> >> related
>> >> case.
>> >>
>> >> Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.63 06/14/07 SMI
>> >> This information is Copyright 2007 Sun Microsystems
>> >> 1. Introduction
>> >>     1.1. Project/Component Working Name:
>> >>          QFE/HME merge
>> >>     1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier:
>> >>          Author:  Garrett D'Amore
>> >>     1.3  Date of This Document:
>> >>         10 July, 2007
>> >> 4. Technical Description
>> >
>> > Are you going to support QFE cards on x86?
>> >
>> > Irek
>>
>> Not as part of this case.
>>
>> I have asked around and gotten *very* little interest in x86 support for
>> these NICs.
>
> Did you ask in alt.solaris.x86 or Sun Managers?

No.   I asked around the OpenSolaris community lists though.

I also put a poll up on my blog.

The responses were that folks mostly wanted GLDv3 support for qfe, but 
that very few people would really care much if qfe worked on x86.

>
>> Adding such support is not too hard, but it isn't trivial
>> either.  Right now only you and Darren Reed have expressed interest.
>> (Assuming you are expressing interest?)
>
> I am expressing interest.

Understood.

    -- Garrett
>
> Irek


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>>> Adding such support is not too hard, but it isn't trivial
>>> either.  Right now only you and Darren Reed have expressed interest.
>>> (Assuming you are expressing interest?)
>>
>> I am expressing interest.
>
>Understood.


I know of a few other people inside Sun who are using a ported x86 qfe
driver and I am sure they would be interested in a "supoorted" one.

There aren't all that many four-port fast ethernet cards (I know of
only one other currently for sale: the Routerboard 44 of which I
have one)

Casper

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Garrett D'Amore wrote:
> I. Szczesniak wrote:
>> On 7/10/07, Garrett D'Amore <Garrett.Damore@sun.com> wrote:
>>> I. Szczesniak wrote:
>>> > On 7/10/07, Garrett D'Amore - sun microsystems
>>> > <gd78059@sac.sfbay.sun.com> wrote:
>>> >> I'm submitting the following on my own behalf; its another hme/qfe
>>> >> related
>>> >> case.
>>> >>
>>> >> Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.63 06/14/07 SMI
>>> >> This information is Copyright 2007 Sun Microsystems
>>> >> 1. Introduction
>>> >>     1.1. Project/Component Working Name:
>>> >>          QFE/HME merge
>>> >>     1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier:
>>> >>          Author:  Garrett D'Amore
>>> >>     1.3  Date of This Document:
>>> >>         10 July, 2007
>>> >> 4. Technical Description
>>> >
>>> > Are you going to support QFE cards on x86?
>>> >
>>> > Irek
>>>
>>> Not as part of this case.
>>>
>>> I have asked around and gotten *very* little interest in x86 support for
>>> these NICs.
>>
>> Did you ask in alt.solaris.x86 or Sun Managers?
> 
> No.   I asked around the OpenSolaris community lists though.
> 
> I also put a poll up on my blog.
> 
> The responses were that folks mostly wanted GLDv3 support for qfe, but 
> that very few people would really care much if qfe worked on x86.

If you had asked on the Yahoo Solaris X86 group you would have gotten some 
positive responses.  There are not many quad ethernet solutions for X86 at 
this time.  A couple of dnet models that are no longer made and Intel 
e1000g, which is sometimes a bit of overkill, which is the only solution 
still in production that I am aware of.

Mike

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>If you had asked on the Yahoo Solaris X86 group you would have gotten some 
>positive responses.  There are not many quad ethernet solutions for X86 at 
>this time.  A couple of dnet models that are no longer made and Intel 
>e1000g, which is sometimes a bit of overkill, which is the only solution 
>still in production that I am aware of.

http://www.routerboard.com/rb44.html

(Surprisingly, there's now also a Routerboard 44G (4 x 1GB Realtek)


Casper


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Casper.Dik@Sun.COM wrote:
>>>> Adding such support is not too hard, but it isn't trivial
>>>> either.  Right now only you and Darren Reed have expressed interest.
>>>> (Assuming you are expressing interest?)
>>> I am expressing interest.
>> Understood.
> 
> 
> I know of a few other people inside Sun who are using a ported x86 qfe
> driver and I am sure they would be interested in a "supoorted" one.
> 

I would be interested in a qfe driver for x86, but only for its GLD v3 
features and the benefits that that brings. Being one of the folks that 
ported the (closed source) DLPI qfe driver to x86, support is not an 
issue for me obviously.

If you need someone to test the x86 version, let me know.

Menno
-- 
Menno Lageman - Sun Microsystems - http://blogs.sun.com/menno

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> >
> >> Adding such support is not too hard, but it isn't trivial
> >> either.  Right now only you and Darren Reed have expressed interest.
> >> (Assuming you are expressing interest?)
> >
> > I am expressing interest.
> 
> Understood.
> 
>     -- Garrett
> >
> > Irek


  The common case is that unless there is an significant reason for not
supporting a driver on all platforms (i.e. nge is a network driver for
chipsets _only_ found on x86 motherboards), then a driver must support
all platforms.

  So if this hardware is available on both Sparc and x86, then
architectual correctness indicates that it must be supported on those
platforms.  Phased delivery is between the implementor and the c-team
the driver delivers into.


	---- Randy

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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:50:58 -0700
From: "Garrett D'Amore" <Garrett.Damore@sun.com>
Subject: Re: QFE/HME merge [PSARC/2007/404 FastTrack timeout 07/18/2007]
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Randy Fishel wrote:
>>>> Adding such support is not too hard, but it isn't trivial
>>>> either.  Right now only you and Darren Reed have expressed interest.
>>>> (Assuming you are expressing interest?)
>>>>         
>>> I am expressing interest.
>>>       
>> Understood.
>>
>>     -- Garrett
>>     
>>> Irek
>>>       
>
>
>   The common case is that unless there is an significant reason for not
> supporting a driver on all platforms (i.e. nge is a network driver for
> chipsets _only_ found on x86 motherboards), then a driver must support
> all platforms.
>
>   So if this hardware is available on both Sparc and x86, then
> architectual correctness indicates that it must be supported on those
> platforms.  Phased delivery is between the implementor and the c-team
> the driver delivers into.
>   

I would tend to agree, but there are considerations as well.

1) the hardware was only ever sold into SPARC markets, never to x86 markets
2) the hardware has long since stopped shipping
3) because of the inability to evaluate FCode, we cannot distinguish 
between qfe and hme boards on x86
4) which means that there may be different driver names used on x86 and 
SPARC.

Anyway, we've already agreed (at PSARC) that the issue of x86 delivery 
is out of scope for this case, and may be handled by follow on work.

    -- Garrett
>
> 	---- Randy
>   


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FYI, this case was approved at today's PSARC meeting.

    -- Garrett


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FYI, this case timed out a long time, without issues.  I've updated the
IAM file.  Sorry for the long delay on this.

	-- Garrett


