From sacadmin Wed Sep 19 13:50:39 2007 Received: from sac.sfbay.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l8JKodL1017446; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:50:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from alanc@localhost) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/Submit) id l8JKodqH017442; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:50:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:50:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Coopersmith Message-Id: <200709192050.l8JKodqH017442@sac.sfbay.sun.com> To: PSARC-record@sac.sfbay.sun.com Cc: Alan.Coopersmith@Sun.COM Subject: Xvnc [PSARC/2007/545 FastTrack] Status: RO Content-Length: 576 Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.64 07/13/07 SMI This information is Copyright 2007 Sun Microsystems 1. Introduction 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: Xvnc 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: Author: Alan Coopersmith 1.3 Date of This Document: 19 September, 2007 4. Technical Description See the case directory for more detail 6. Resources and Schedule 6.4. Steering Committee requested information 6.4.1. Consolidation C-team Name: X Consolidation / Desktop C-Team 6.5. ARC review type: FastTrack 6.6. ARC Exposure: open From alan.coopersmith@sun.com Tue Oct 2 16:56:56 2007 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l92NuuOW005761 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 16:56:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id l92NqpCN040195 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-EXT@sun.com>; Tue, 2 Oct 2007 17:52:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JPB006096DNGX00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-EXT@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-EXT@sun.com); Tue, 02 Oct 2007 17:53:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sfbaymail1sca.SFBay.Sun.COM ([129.145.154.35]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JPB00CSK6DM5UD0@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-EXT@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-EXT@sun.com); Tue, 02 Oct 2007 17:53:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [129.146.108.211] (almas.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.108.211]) by sfbaymail1sca.SFBay.Sun.COM (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id l92NrjpG013419; Tue, 02 Oct 2007 16:53:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 16:53:45 -0700 From: Alan Coopersmith Subject: Xvnc [PSARC/2007/545 - Fasttrack timeout 10/9/2007] To: PSARC-EXT@sun.com Cc: OpenSolaris X Window System List Message-id: <4702DA09.1080906@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_jsI5WyHlgy0vPZyk8tWQbw)" X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.1 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070924) Status: RO Content-Length: 3104 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_jsI5WyHlgy0vPZyk8tWQbw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I am sponsoring this case for myself and requesting a patch release binding. I've set the timeout for Tuesday, October 9. There are a number of supplementary documents in the case materials. These are visible now on the internal ARC web/file server and should be mirrored shortly to the external ARC web server at: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/caselog/2007/545/ -- -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersmith@sun.com Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering --Boundary_(ID_jsI5WyHlgy0vPZyk8tWQbw) Content-type: text/plain; name=Xvnc.txt Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline; filename=Xvnc.txt This case delivers Xvnc, an X server that displays to a Remote Frame Buffer (RFB) protocol client over the network. RFB clients, better known as VNC viewers, are available for most platforms, in both open source and commercial flavors. The Vino project (LSARC 2006/371) already delivers a VNC viewer to Solaris, along with a VNC server that can capture the display from a running session on a normal X server. The Xvnc implementation in this case is RealVNC 4.1.2, the current open source version of the code base maintained by a company formed by some of the original VNC authors. For the X server portions of Xvnc, this implementation uses the Xorg sources already in the X consolidation to reduce the maintenance burden and to share the existing Solaris enhancements in the Xorg sources, including the Xserver dtrace provider probes and Trusted Extensions support. Besides the Xvnc server itself, this case delivers the vncpasswd command used to set the password for connecting to the server, and the vncserver script to allow endusers to more easily start the Xvnc server. (The VNC authentication scheme, including vncpasswd, is described in more detail in the security questionnaire in [1].) This project will add /usr/X11/bin/Xvnc to the set of X servers which may be started by the /usr/X11/bin/Xserver script & x11-server SMF service. Imported interfaces: -------------------- Vino Java Client External LSARC 2006/371 Trusted Solaris X Server Extension Evolving LSARC 2004/109 Xserver dtrace provider Uncommitted PSARC 2006/609 svc:/application/x11/x11-server Evolving PSARC 2004/752 /usr/X11/bin/Xserver Evolving PSARC 2004/752 Xorg server interfaces (various) PSARC 2004/187, PSARC 2004/685, PSARC 2005/450, PSARC 2007/051, PSARC 2007/434 Exported interfaces: -------------------- SUNWxvnc package Uncommitted /usr/bin/vncpasswd Volatile [3] /usr/bin/vncserver Volatile [4] /usr/X11/bin/Xvnc Volatile [5] References: (located in case materials directory) 1) Xvnc-security.txt - Security Questionnaire 2) rfbproto.pdf - RFB Protocol Spec Version 3.8 3) vncpasswd.man.txt - vncpasswd(1) man page 4) vncserver.man.txt - vncserver(1) man page 5) Xvnc.man.txt - Xvnc(1) man page --Boundary_(ID_jsI5WyHlgy0vPZyk8tWQbw)-- From Darren.Moffat@Sun.COM Wed Oct 3 02:18:26 2007 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l939IPHb017556 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 02:18:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id l939FBYH022363 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-EXT@sun.com>; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 10:15:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JPB00A05WDB9900@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-EXT@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-EXT@sun.com); Wed, 03 Oct 2007 02:15:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gmp-eb-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.6.24]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JPB006LOWDASS60@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-EXT@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-EXT@sun.com); Wed, 03 Oct 2007 02:15:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-emea-09.sun.com (gmp-eb-lb-2-fe1.eu.sun.com [192.18.6.10]) by gmp-eb-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l939FAX1014902 for ; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 09:15:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-emea-09.sun.com by fe-emea-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JPB00901VX62G00@fe-emea-09.sun.com> (original mail from Darren.Moffat@Sun.COM) for PSARC-EXT@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-EXT@sun.com); Wed, 03 Oct 2007 10:15:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from [129.156.173.21] by fe-emea-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JPB004SQWCOJ800@fe-emea-09.sun.com> for PSARC-EXT@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-EXT@sun.com); Wed, 03 Oct 2007 10:14:48 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 10:14:48 +0100 From: Darren J Moffat Subject: Re: Xvnc [PSARC/2007/545 - Fasttrack timeout 10/9/2007] In-reply-to: <4702DA09.1080906@sun.com> Sender: Darren.Moffat@Sun.COM To: Alan Coopersmith Cc: PSARC-EXT@Sun.COM, OpenSolaris X Window System List Message-id: <47035D88.8030808@Sun.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <4702DA09.1080906@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (X11/20070731) Status: RO Content-Length: 516 Alan Coopersmith wrote: > I am sponsoring this case for myself and requesting a patch release binding. > I've set the timeout for Tuesday, October 9. > > There are a number of supplementary documents in the case materials. > These are visible now on the internal ARC web/file server and should > be mirrored shortly to the external ARC web server at: > http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/caselog/2007/545/ The Xorg server is shipped as both a 32 and 64 bit binary, what about Xnvc ? -- Darren J Moffat From jek3@Sun.COM Wed Oct 3 06:12:00 2007 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l93DC05C022317 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 06:12:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id l93D8on2009562; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 06:08:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JPC0010F76PBR00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 06:08:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jurassic.eng.sun.com ([129.146.56.36]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JPC000E076OIN60@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 06:08:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [129.148.174.122] (dhcp-ubur02-174-122.East.Sun.COM [129.148.174.122]) by jurassic.eng.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l93D8hCP309681; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 06:08:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 03:08:42 -1000 From: Joseph Kowalski Subject: Re: Xvnc [PSARC/2007/545 - Fasttrack timeout 10/9/2007] In-reply-to: <4702DA09.1080906@sun.com> To: Alan Coopersmith Cc: PSARC-EXT@Sun.COM, OpenSolaris X Window System List Message-id: <4703945A.1060202@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <4702DA09.1080906@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060911) Status: RO Content-Length: 3366 A couple of questions - *very* high level ones (which may just mean I'm missing something): 1) We have the Vino client. Here we are integrating the RealVNC server. Why are we mixing and matching here? RealVNC provides a very similar client (or two it seems). 2) Volatile seems low for this, based on my "meager, but non-null" understanding of the RealVNC project. Is this a "keep it Volatile for now, higher later" type of thing or is there some other reason? - thanks, - jek3 Alan Coopersmith wrote: > I am sponsoring this case for myself and requesting a patch release binding. > I've set the timeout for Tuesday, October 9. > > There are a number of supplementary documents in the case materials. > These are visible now on the internal ARC web/file server and should > be mirrored shortly to the external ARC web server at: > http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/caselog/2007/545/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > This case delivers Xvnc, an X server that displays to a Remote Frame > Buffer (RFB) protocol client over the network. RFB clients, better > known as VNC viewers, are available for most platforms, in both open > source and commercial flavors. The Vino project (LSARC 2006/371) > already delivers a VNC viewer to Solaris, along with a VNC server > that can capture the display from a running session on a normal X server. > > The Xvnc implementation in this case is RealVNC 4.1.2, the current > open source version of the code base maintained by a company formed by > some of the original VNC authors. For the X server portions of Xvnc, > this implementation uses the Xorg sources already in the X > consolidation to reduce the maintenance burden and to share the > existing Solaris enhancements in the Xorg sources, including the > Xserver dtrace provider probes and Trusted Extensions support. > > Besides the Xvnc server itself, this case delivers the vncpasswd command > used to set the password for connecting to the server, and the vncserver > script to allow endusers to more easily start the Xvnc server. (The VNC > authentication scheme, including vncpasswd, is described in more detail > in the security questionnaire in [1].) > > This project will add /usr/X11/bin/Xvnc to the set of X servers which > may be started by the /usr/X11/bin/Xserver script & x11-server SMF service. > > Imported interfaces: > -------------------- > Vino Java Client External LSARC 2006/371 > Trusted Solaris X Server Extension Evolving LSARC 2004/109 > Xserver dtrace provider Uncommitted PSARC 2006/609 > svc:/application/x11/x11-server Evolving PSARC 2004/752 > /usr/X11/bin/Xserver Evolving PSARC 2004/752 > Xorg server interfaces (various) PSARC 2004/187, > PSARC 2004/685, > PSARC 2005/450, > PSARC 2007/051, > PSARC 2007/434 > > Exported interfaces: > -------------------- > SUNWxvnc package Uncommitted > /usr/bin/vncpasswd Volatile [3] > /usr/bin/vncserver Volatile [4] > /usr/X11/bin/Xvnc Volatile [5] > > References: (located in case materials directory) > > 1) Xvnc-security.txt - Security Questionnaire > 2) rfbproto.pdf - RFB Protocol Spec Version 3.8 > 3) vncpasswd.man.txt - vncpasswd(1) man page > 4) vncserver.man.txt - vncserver(1) man page > 5) Xvnc.man.txt - Xvnc(1) man page > From gww@eng.sun.com Wed Oct 3 07:29:10 2007 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l93ET9SB024100 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 07:29:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id l93EPnC2017464 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-EXT@sun.com>; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:25:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JPC00501ARAT300@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-EXT@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-EXT@sun.com); Wed, 03 Oct 2007 07:25:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm-eng-02.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.11.32]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JPC002UUAR9I490@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-EXT@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-EXT@sun.com); Wed, 03 Oct 2007 07:25:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marduk.eng.sun.com (marduk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.108.224]) by dm-eng-02.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id l93EPv8J065276; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 07:25:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marduk.eng.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by marduk.eng.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l93ERhGT002209; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 07:27:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gww@localhost) by marduk.eng.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id l93ERha1002208; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 07:27:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 07:27:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Winiger Subject: Re: Xvnc [PSARC/2007/545 - Fasttrack timeout 10/9/2007] To: PSARC-EXT@sun.com, alan.coopersmith@sun.com Cc: xwin-discuss@opensolaris.org Message-id: <200710031427.l93ERha1002208@marduk.eng.sun.com> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 Status: RO Content-Length: 656 > The Xvnc implementation in this case is RealVNC 4.1.2, the current > open source version of the code base maintained by a company formed by > some of the original VNC authors. For the X server portions of Xvnc, > this implementation uses the Xorg sources already in the X Does Xvnc also run on XSun? If not, do we still care? The Xvnc man page talks about XFree86 server. How do these sections relate to Solaris X servers? The Xvnc man page discusses use under inetd. Will this project ship SMF manifests for use with Solaris inetd? Is inetd operation supported on Solaris? How will the admin know from the materials in this case? Gary.. From alan.coopersmith@sun.com Wed Oct 3 07:52:41 2007 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l93Eqe3P025036 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 07:52:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id l93EnAqY029033; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:49:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JPC00601BUCXA00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 07:49:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sfbaymail1sca.SFBay.Sun.COM ([129.145.154.35]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JPC002FNBUCI5C0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 07:49:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (vpn-129-150-16-162.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.150.16.162]) by sfbaymail1sca.SFBay.Sun.COM (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id l93EnMD9006562; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 07:49:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 07:47:58 -0700 From: Alan Coopersmith Subject: Re: Xvnc [PSARC/2007/545 - Fasttrack timeout 10/9/2007] In-reply-to: <4703945A.1060202@sun.com> To: Joseph Kowalski Cc: PSARC-EXT@sun.com, OpenSolaris X Window System List Message-id: <4703AB9E.9010709@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <4702DA09.1080906@sun.com> <4703945A.1060202@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060602) Status: RO Content-Length: 1122 Joseph Kowalski wrote: > > A couple of questions - *very* high level ones (which may just mean I'm > missing something): > > 1) We have the Vino client. Here we are integrating the RealVNC server. > Why are we mixing and matching here? RealVNC provides a very > similar client (or two it seems). Vino actually uses the RealVNC jar files, it just provides integration with the GNOME desktop for that VNC client software. (To answer another offline question, this is why Vino is listed in the imported interfaces - instead of shipping a second copy of those jar files, if you start Xvnc with -httpd, it will serve the Vino-provided copy of the RealVNC jar files.) > 2) Volatile seems low for this, based on my "meager, but non-null" > understanding > of the RealVNC project. Is this a "keep it Volatile for now, > higher later" type > of thing or is there some other reason? Simply that I have no feeling about the level of interface stability that RealVNC maintains. -- -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersmith@sun.com Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering From alan.coopersmith@sun.com Wed Oct 3 07:57:14 2007 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l93EvEmJ025383 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 07:57:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id l93Es2fv003765 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-EXT@sun.com>; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 07:54:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JPC0071RC244S00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-EXT@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-EXT@sun.com); Wed, 03 Oct 2007 07:54:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sfbaymail1sca.SFBay.Sun.COM ([129.145.154.35]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JPC002OPC23I4D0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-EXT@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-EXT@sun.com); Wed, 03 Oct 2007 07:54:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (vpn-129-150-16-162.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.150.16.162]) by sfbaymail1sca.SFBay.Sun.COM (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id l93Es16D008236; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 07:54:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 07:52:37 -0700 From: Alan Coopersmith Subject: Re: Xvnc [PSARC/2007/545 - Fasttrack timeout 10/9/2007] In-reply-to: <200710031427.l93ERha1002208@marduk.eng.sun.com> To: Gary Winiger Cc: PSARC-EXT@sun.com, xwin-discuss@opensolaris.org Message-id: <4703ACB5.8030806@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <200710031427.l93ERha1002208@marduk.eng.sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060602) Status: RO Content-Length: 1438 Gary Winiger wrote: >> The Xvnc implementation in this case is RealVNC 4.1.2, the current >> open source version of the code base maintained by a company formed by >> some of the original VNC authors. For the X server portions of Xvnc, >> this implementation uses the Xorg sources already in the X > > Does Xvnc also run on XSun? If not, do we still care? Xvnc is it's own Xserver, so it doesn't run on top of Xorg or Xsun, but instead of them, for situations where you never display to local graphics devices but only to a VNC viewer (such as in a local zone, Xen domain, or headless server machine). > The Xvnc man page talks about XFree86 server. How do these > sections relate to Solaris X servers? The section about " and with a VNC-enabled XFree86 server via Options entries in the XF86Config file." should be deleted from the man page since we are not shipping the loadable module for XFree86/Xorg servers in this project. That's the only XFree86 reference I see. > The Xvnc man page discusses use under inetd. Will this project > ship SMF manifests for use with Solaris inetd? > Is inetd operation supported on Solaris? > How will the admin know from the materials in this case? I know of no reason not to allow inetd operation, but have not included an inetd-based SMF manifest at this time. -- -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersmith@sun.com Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering From gww@eng.sun.com Wed Oct 3 08:02:53 2007 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l93F2r7M025497 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 08:02:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id l93EwjT6053986 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-EXT@sun.com>; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 08:58:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JPC00701CBID500@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-EXT@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-EXT@sun.com); Wed, 03 Oct 2007 07:59:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm-eng-02.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.11.32]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JPC002WGCBII4E0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-EXT@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-EXT@sun.com); Wed, 03 Oct 2007 07:59:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marduk.eng.sun.com (marduk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.108.224]) by dm-eng-02.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id l93ExfiN014109; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 07:59:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marduk.eng.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by marduk.eng.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l93F1RMW002290; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 08:01:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gww@localhost) by marduk.eng.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id l93F1Rsw002289; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 08:01:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 08:01:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Winiger Subject: Re: Xvnc [PSARC/2007/545 - Fasttrack timeout 10/9/2007] To: gww@eng.sun.com, alan.coopersmith@sun.com Cc: PSARC-EXT@sun.com, xwin-discuss@opensolaris.org Message-id: <200710031501.l93F1Rsw002289@marduk.eng.sun.com> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 Status: RO Content-Length: 1206 > > Does Xvnc also run on XSun? If not, do we still care? > > Xvnc is it's own Xserver, so it doesn't run on top of Xorg or Xsun, > but instead of them, for situations where you never display to local > graphics devices but only to a VNC viewer (such as in a local zone, > Xen domain, or headless server machine). OK, thanks. > > The Xvnc man page talks about XFree86 server. How do these > > sections relate to Solaris X servers? > > The section about " and with a VNC-enabled XFree86 server via Options entries > in the XF86Config file." should be deleted from the man page > since we are not shipping the loadable module for XFree86/Xorg servers > in this project. That's the only XFree86 reference I see. Yup. It was confusing to me -- but then I'm easily confused.... > > The Xvnc man page discusses use under inetd. Will this project > > ship SMF manifests for use with Solaris inetd? > > Is inetd operation supported on Solaris? > > How will the admin know from the materials in this case? > > I know of no reason not to allow inetd operation, but have not included > an inetd-based SMF manifest at this time. Will this project include an inetd ready SMF manifest? Gary.. From jek3@sun.com Wed Oct 3 08:50:21 2007 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l93FoLdK026558 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 08:50:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id l93FlBhQ000914; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 08:47:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JPC0040BEINMS00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 09:47:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jurassic.eng.sun.com ([129.146.228.50]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JPC001Y8EIMB520@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 09:47:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [129.148.174.122] (dhcp-ubur02-174-122.East.Sun.COM [129.148.174.122]) by jurassic.eng.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l93Fl6fK313990; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 08:47:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 05:47:05 -1000 From: Joseph Kowalski Subject: Re: Xvnc [PSARC/2007/545 - Fasttrack timeout 10/9/2007] In-reply-to: <4703AB9E.9010709@sun.com> To: Alan Coopersmith Cc: PSARC-EXT@sun.com, OpenSolaris X Window System List Message-id: <4703B979.5000509@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <4702DA09.1080906@sun.com> <4703945A.1060202@sun.com> <4703AB9E.9010709@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060911) Status: RO Content-Length: 1321 Alan Coopersmith wrote: > Joseph Kowalski wrote: >> >> A couple of questions - *very* high level ones (which may just mean I'm >> missing something): >> >> 1) We have the Vino client. Here we are integrating the RealVNC >> server. >> Why are we mixing and matching here? RealVNC provides a very >> similar client (or two it seems). > > Vino actually uses the RealVNC jar files, it just provides integration > with > the GNOME desktop for that VNC client software. (To answer another > offline > question, this is why Vino is listed in the imported interfaces - instead > of shipping a second copy of those jar files, if you start Xvnc with > -httpd, > it will serve the Vino-provided copy of the RealVNC jar files.) Good answer. Thanks! >> 2) Volatile seems low for this, based on my "meager, but non-null" >> understanding >> of the RealVNC project. Is this a "keep it Volatile for now, >> higher later" type >> of thing or is there some other reason? > > Simply that I have no feeling about the level of interface stability that > RealVNC maintains. Sounds reasonable. In that case, Volatile is probably the right choice for now. Maybe after more experience with RealVNC, we might want to raise this to Uncommitted (which is more committed than Volatile). - thanks, - jek3 From peter.tribble@gmail.com Wed Oct 3 09:08:48 2007 Received: from sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l93G8lsJ028044 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 09:08:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id l93G5S00025807 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-EXT@sun.com>; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 00:05:37 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JPC0020JFDBZZ00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-EXT@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-EXT@sun.com); Wed, 03 Oct 2007 09:05:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sca-ea-mail-4.sun.com ([192.18.43.22]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JPC00CGLFDAIYB0@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-EXT@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-EXT@sun.com); Wed, 03 Oct 2007 09:05:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay13i.sun.com (ip123.net129179-4.block1.us.syntegra.com [129.179.4.123]) by sca-ea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l93G0J2B004054 for ; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 16:05:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mmp14es.sun.com ([160.41.209.24] [160.41.209.24]) by relay13i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-463720 for PSARC-EXT@sun.com; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 16:05:34 +0000 (Z) Received: from relay14i.sun.com (relay14i.sun.com [129.179.4.124]) by mmp14es.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-38279 for PSARC-EXT@sun.com; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 16:05:34 +0000 (Z) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.228] [66.249.82.228]) by relay1ib.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-2114860 for PSARC-EXT@sun.com; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 16:05:34 +0000 (Z) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s11so3300847wxc for ; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 09:05:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.11.5 with SMTP id 5mr1383510wxk.1191427532617; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 09:05:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.50.15 with HTTP; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 09:05:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 17:05:32 +0100 From: Peter Tribble Subject: Re: Xvnc [PSARC/2007/545 - Fasttrack timeout 10/9/2007] In-reply-to: <4703945A.1060202@sun.com> To: Joseph Kowalski Cc: Alan Coopersmith , OpenSolaris X Window System List , PSARC-EXT@Sun.COM Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=r3yANpgbpXREZl++763epQ+AwCJTopjBybOxz//E9z8=; b=mxCIZPTv8tkfKM8Dyx74LfareLhQH0DoRk952on1e/n3c25XsNSVpqHHFp6qlArYvXKrT6mtJJafpfZuEIvAKATCW6KPgZcxL1/eDvhF8qh2HMOSSjl+3A+JCev2ieOOQbCMPAmBUwhvMETB9RtAL07LG6lcKo1rbAdjduGt2Fc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=iS6ed9s1do+bqIrPf7GjeR3lNdTqt6bvxjSwh5vU16R6IkukKH7InIIbGWO9OylJFAVy6Nvq8QeM62Rak/rUG4I2bJ8oBmEBtbjktmg/gnSXg96wQiaOQM7HZ75huB7//HzdmFGBeV5h/oNzdVyejokiFjVcnGN4vfuR+wRUMYk= X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <4702DA09.1080906@sun.com> <4703945A.1060202@sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 580 On 10/3/07, Joseph Kowalski wrote: > > A couple of questions - *very* high level ones (which may just mean I'm > missing something): > > 1) We have the Vino client. Here we are integrating the RealVNC server. > Why are we mixing and matching here? RealVNC provides a very > similar client (or two it seems). Ugh. We should ship the (native, not java) RealVNC client, and remove the vino client. There are significant differences in functionality and performance. -- -Peter Tribble http://www.petertribble.co.uk/ - http://ptribble.blogspot.com/ From alan.coopersmith@sun.com Wed Oct 3 09:15:16 2007 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l93GFGY9028280 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 09:15:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id l93GC6OW008382; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 09:12:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JPC00617FO67U00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 10:12:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sfbaymail1sca.SFBay.Sun.COM ([129.145.154.35]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JPC001ZEFO6B830@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 10:12:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (vpn-129-150-16-162.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.150.16.162]) by sfbaymail1sca.SFBay.Sun.COM (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id l93GC3fw010173; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 09:12:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 09:10:39 -0700 From: Alan Coopersmith Subject: Re: Xvnc [PSARC/2007/545 - Fasttrack timeout 10/9/2007] In-reply-to: To: Peter Tribble Cc: Joseph Kowalski , OpenSolaris X Window System List , PSARC-EXT@sun.com Message-id: <4703BEFF.8080209@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <4702DA09.1080906@sun.com> <4703945A.1060202@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060602) Status: RO Content-Length: 901 Peter Tribble wrote: > On 10/3/07, Joseph Kowalski wrote: >> A couple of questions - *very* high level ones (which may just mean I'm >> missing something): >> >> 1) We have the Vino client. Here we are integrating the RealVNC server. >> Why are we mixing and matching here? RealVNC provides a very >> similar client (or two it seems). > > Ugh. We should ship the (native, not java) RealVNC client, and remove the > vino client. There are significant differences in functionality and performance. That's an issue to raise with the JDS team, not this case. I know there's been recent discussion about moving from Vino to Vinagre, especially if the GNOME community adopts Vinagre as part of the official platform, but I don't know how the two compare. -- -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersmith@sun.com Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering From Nicolas.Williams@sun.com Wed Oct 3 09:20:31 2007 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l93GKVTX028404 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 09:20:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id l93GHA3i009997; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 17:17:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JPC0062LFWSKS00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 10:17:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from binky.Central.Sun.COM ([129.153.128.104]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JPC001DLFWQB040@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 10:17:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from binky.Central.Sun.COM (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by binky.Central.Sun.COM (8.14.1+Sun/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l93GHDYM019277; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 11:17:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from nw141292@localhost) by binky.Central.Sun.COM (8.14.1+Sun/8.14.1/Submit) id l93GHDAx019276; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 11:17:13 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 11:17:13 -0500 From: Nicolas Williams Subject: Re: Xvnc [PSARC/2007/545 - Fasttrack timeout 10/9/2007] In-reply-to: <4703B979.5000509@sun.com> To: Joseph Kowalski Cc: Alan Coopersmith , psarc-ext@sun.com, OpenSolaris X Window System List Message-id: <20071003161713.GV11376@Sun.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <4702DA09.1080906@sun.com> <4703945A.1060202@sun.com> <4703AB9E.9010709@sun.com> <4703B979.5000509@sun.com> X-Authentication-warning: binky.Central.Sun.COM: nw141292 set sender to Nicolas.Williams@sun.com using -f User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i Status: RO Content-Length: 801 On Wed, Oct 03, 2007 at 05:47:05AM -1000, Joseph Kowalski wrote: > Alan Coopersmith wrote: > >>2) Volatile seems low for this, based on my "meager, but non-null" > >>understanding of the RealVNC project. Is this a "keep it Volatile > >>for now, higher later" type of thing or is there some other reason? > > > >Simply that I have no feeling about the level of interface stability that > >RealVNC maintains. > Sounds reasonable. In that case, Volatile is probably the right > choice for now. Maybe after more experience with RealVNC, we might > want to raise this to Uncommitted (which is more committed than > Volatile). Wouldn't we want to commit to the executable names but leave the CLIs, feature lists, config file formats, ... as volatile? (Wasn't that what was done for Mozilla/Firefox?) From jek3@sun.com Wed Oct 3 12:14:40 2007 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l93JEd5D007902 for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 12:14:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id l93JBQeD022205; Wed, 3 Oct 2007 20:11:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JPC00I01NZ1M300@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 13:11:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jurassic.eng.sun.com ([129.146.104.45]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JPC001DQNZ0BAE0@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 13:11:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [129.148.174.122] (dhcp-ubur02-174-122.East.Sun.COM [129.148.174.122]) by jurassic.eng.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l93JBN3J320692; Wed, 03 Oct 2007 12:11:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 09:11:23 -1000 From: Joseph Kowalski Subject: Re: Xvnc [PSARC/2007/545 - Fasttrack timeout 10/9/2007] In-reply-to: <20071003161713.GV11376@Sun.COM> To: Nicolas Williams Cc: Alan Coopersmith , psarc-ext@sun.com, OpenSolaris X Window System List Message-id: <4703E95B.2050405@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <4702DA09.1080906@sun.com> <4703945A.1060202@sun.com> <4703AB9E.9010709@sun.com> <4703B979.5000509@sun.com> <20071003161713.GV11376@Sun.COM> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060911) Status: RO Content-Length: 1350 Nicolas Williams wrote: > On Wed, Oct 03, 2007 at 05:47:05AM -1000, Joseph Kowalski wrote: > >> Alan Coopersmith wrote: >> >>>> 2) Volatile seems low for this, based on my "meager, but non-null" >>>> understanding of the RealVNC project. Is this a "keep it Volatile >>>> for now, higher later" type of thing or is there some other reason? >>>> >>> Simply that I have no feeling about the level of interface stability that >>> RealVNC maintains. >>> >> Sounds reasonable. In that case, Volatile is probably the right >> choice for now. Maybe after more experience with RealVNC, we might >> want to raise this to Uncommitted (which is more committed than >> Volatile). >> > > Wouldn't we want to commit to the executable names but leave the CLIs, > feature lists, config file formats, ... as volatile? (Wasn't that what > was done for Mozilla/Firefox?) > For almost any combination of stabilities, I can probably point to an example: :-) A common case is that the executable names are "more committed" that other items. Many things like this (where we believe the community is "well behaved") a common case is: executable names: Committed cli options: Uncommitted other (config files, etc.): Volatile I'm not suggesting this. Its just a common example. - jek3 From alan.coopersmith@sun.com Thu Oct 4 13:22:34 2007 Received: from sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l94KMX2v010107 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:22:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id l94KJJt9023820 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-EXT@sun.com>; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 04:19:23 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JPE00801LSBOX00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-EXT@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-EXT@sun.com); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 14:19:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sfbaymail1sca.SFBay.Sun.COM ([129.145.154.35]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JPE00KUMLS8N9E0@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-EXT@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-EXT@sun.com); Thu, 04 Oct 2007 14:19:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [129.146.108.211] (almas.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.108.211]) by sfbaymail1sca.SFBay.Sun.COM (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id l94KI5Nk005638; Thu, 04 Oct 2007 13:19:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 13:18:05 -0700 From: Alan Coopersmith Subject: Re: Xvnc [PSARC/2007/545 - Fasttrack timeout 10/9/2007] In-reply-to: <47035D88.8030808@Sun.COM> To: Darren J Moffat Cc: PSARC-EXT@sun.com, OpenSolaris X Window System List Message-id: <47054A7D.3020304@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.1 References: <4702DA09.1080906@sun.com> <47035D88.8030808@Sun.COM> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070924) Status: RO Content-Length: 836 Darren J Moffat wrote: > Alan Coopersmith wrote: >> I am sponsoring this case for myself and requesting a patch release >> binding. >> I've set the timeout for Tuesday, October 9. >> >> There are a number of supplementary documents in the case materials. >> These are visible now on the internal ARC web/file server and should >> be mirrored shortly to the external ARC web server at: >> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/caselog/2007/545/ > > The Xorg server is shipped as both a 32 and 64 bit binary, what about > Xnvc ? At this time I'm only planning on shipping one Xvnc binary per platform (32-bit on x86, 64-bit on SPARC, since it shares libraries with the Xorg server which is 64-bit-only on SPARC). -- -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersmith@sun.com Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering From Darren.Moffat@sun.com Fri Oct 5 02:21:37 2007 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l959LaPa023465 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 02:21:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id l959IMKE000160 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-EXT@sun.com>; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 10:18:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JPF00101LUPA200@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-EXT@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-EXT@sun.com); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 02:18:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gmp-eb-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.6.24]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JPF00A5QLUOE5F0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-EXT@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-EXT@sun.com); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 02:18:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-emea-09.sun.com (gmp-eb-lb-2-fe2.eu.sun.com [192.18.6.11]) by gmp-eb-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l959IN1j010512 for ; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 09:18:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-emea-09.sun.com by fe-emea-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JPF00601L4P6M00@fe-emea-09.sun.com> (original mail from Darren.Moffat@Sun.COM) for PSARC-EXT@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-EXT@sun.com); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 10:18:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from [129.156.173.21] by fe-emea-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JPF005XELUFOK00@fe-emea-09.sun.com> for PSARC-EXT@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-EXT@sun.com); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 10:18:18 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 10:18:15 +0100 From: Darren J Moffat Subject: Re: Xvnc [PSARC/2007/545 - Fasttrack timeout 10/9/2007] In-reply-to: <47054A7D.3020304@sun.com> Sender: Darren.Moffat@sun.com To: Alan Coopersmith Cc: PSARC-EXT@sun.com, OpenSolaris X Window System List Message-id: <47060157.3020101@Sun.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <4702DA09.1080906@sun.com> <47035D88.8030808@Sun.COM> <47054A7D.3020304@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (X11/20070731) Status: RO Content-Length: 856 Alan Coopersmith wrote: > Darren J Moffat wrote: >> Alan Coopersmith wrote: >>> I am sponsoring this case for myself and requesting a patch release >>> binding. >>> I've set the timeout for Tuesday, October 9. >>> >>> There are a number of supplementary documents in the case materials. >>> These are visible now on the internal ARC web/file server and should >>> be mirrored shortly to the external ARC web server at: >>> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/caselog/2007/545/ >> The Xorg server is shipped as both a 32 and 64 bit binary, what about >> Xnvc ? > > At this time I'm only planning on shipping one Xvnc binary per platform > (32-bit on x86, 64-bit on SPARC, since it shares libraries with the Xorg > server which is 64-bit-only on SPARC). So the reason for shipping a 64 bit Xorg on x86 doesn't apply to Xvnc ? -- Darren J Moffat From alan.coopersmith@Sun.COM Fri Oct 5 08:00:15 2007 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l95F0F7c029011 for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 08:00:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id l95Ev1RV007513 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-EXT@sun.com>; Fri, 5 Oct 2007 07:57:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JPG00H1H1J3B600@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-EXT@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-EXT@sun.com); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 08:57:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sfbaymail1sca.SFBay.Sun.COM ([129.145.154.35]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JPG00DKZ1J1L550@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-EXT@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-EXT@sun.com); Fri, 05 Oct 2007 08:57:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (vpn-129-150-18-224.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.150.18.224]) by sfbaymail1sca.SFBay.Sun.COM (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id l95EuwCc014929; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 07:56:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 07:55:34 -0700 From: Alan Coopersmith Subject: Re: Xvnc [PSARC/2007/545 - Fasttrack timeout 10/9/2007] In-reply-to: <47060157.3020101@Sun.COM> To: Darren J Moffat Cc: PSARC-EXT@Sun.COM, OpenSolaris X Window System List Message-id: <47065066.2010104@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <4702DA09.1080906@sun.com> <47035D88.8030808@Sun.COM> <47054A7D.3020304@sun.com> <47060157.3020101@Sun.COM> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060602) Status: RO Content-Length: 656 Darren J Moffat wrote: > Alan Coopersmith wrote: >> At this time I'm only planning on shipping one Xvnc binary per platform >> (32-bit on x86, 64-bit on SPARC, since it shares libraries with the Xorg >> server which is 64-bit-only on SPARC). > > So the reason for shipping a 64 bit Xorg on x86 doesn't apply to Xvnc ? Xvnc doesn't map in frame buffer memory, so won't be running out of address space on a system with two 2gb video cards (already on the market) or the coming future generations which will continue to increase VRAM sizes. -- -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersmith@sun.com Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering From alan.coopersmith@sun.com Tue Oct 9 11:44:10 2007 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l99IiA2h012407 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2007 11:44:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id l99IdqmQ002258 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-EXT@sun.com>; Tue, 9 Oct 2007 12:39:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JPN00807QK6NH00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-EXT@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-EXT@sun.com); Tue, 09 Oct 2007 11:40:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sfbaymail1sca.SFBay.Sun.COM ([129.145.154.35]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JPN006HXQK4C120@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-EXT@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-EXT@sun.com); Tue, 09 Oct 2007 11:40:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [129.146.108.211] (almas.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.108.211]) by sfbaymail1sca.SFBay.Sun.COM (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id l99Ieplg011926; Tue, 09 Oct 2007 11:40:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 11:40:51 -0700 From: Alan Coopersmith Subject: Re: Xvnc [PSARC/2007/545 - Fasttrack timeout 10/9/2007] In-reply-to: <200710031501.l93F1Rsw002289@marduk.eng.sun.com> To: Gary Winiger Cc: PSARC-EXT@sun.com, xwin-discuss@opensolaris.org Message-id: <470BCB33.7090601@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.1 References: <200710031501.l93F1Rsw002289@marduk.eng.sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070924) Status: RO Content-Length: 750 Gary Winiger wrote: >>> The Xvnc man page discusses use under inetd. Will this project >>> ship SMF manifests for use with Solaris inetd? >>> Is inetd operation supported on Solaris? >>> How will the admin know from the materials in this case? >> I know of no reason not to allow inetd operation, but have not included >> an inetd-based SMF manifest at this time. > > Will this project include an inetd ready SMF manifest? Yes. An inetd framework manifest has been placed in the case materials along with an updated Xvnc.man.txt with the XFree86 reference removed and the inetd section modified to reflect the SMF manifest. -- -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersmith@sun.com Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering From alan.coopersmith@sun.com Wed Oct 10 10:12:06 2007 Received: from sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l9AHC54C015402 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:12:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id l9AH8jiU008526 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-EXT@sun.com>; Thu, 11 Oct 2007 01:08:49 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JPP00F0FGYMI100@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-EXT@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-EXT@sun.com); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:08:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sfbaymail1sca.SFBay.Sun.COM ([129.145.154.35]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JPP00B2CGYL1120@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-EXT@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-EXT@sun.com); Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:08:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (vpn-129-150-19-30.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.150.19.30]) by sfbaymail1sca.SFBay.Sun.COM (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id l9AH8eri025603; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:08:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:07:15 -0700 From: Alan Coopersmith Subject: Re: Xvnc [PSARC/2007/545 - Fasttrack timeout 10/9/2007] In-reply-to: <4702DA09.1080906@sun.com> To: PSARC-EXT@sun.com Cc: OpenSolaris X Window System List Message-id: <470D06C3.9020005@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <4702DA09.1080906@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060602) Status: RO Content-Length: 504 Alan Coopersmith wrote: > I am sponsoring this case for myself and requesting a patch release binding. > I've set the timeout for Tuesday, October 9. The case timed out last night, but I let it run until the PSARC meeting today in case anyone wanted more time to review the inetd SMF manifest that I just submitted yesterday. No one spoke up at PSARC today, so it's now closed approved. -- -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersmith@sun.com Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering