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I'm sponsoring the following fast-track for myself.  I'm setting the
time-out to one week from today: November 9, 2007.  Release binding is
Patch due to the desire to include this in the S10 updates.

Thanks,
Danek

===========================================================================

1. Background

	This project proposes to integrate p7zip[1,2], a freeware archiving
	and compression utility.  It is similar in usage to zip, as opposed
	to gzip or tar, and compresses as well as archives.  The compression
	algorithm is LZMA[3], which, compared to bzip2, generally gives
	higher compression ratios, and is generally more cpu and memory
	friendly on decompression.

	These factors are the primary motivators for inclusion in Solaris;
	in particular, delivery of S10, Update 5 is at risk due to the size
	of the CD1 image, and compressing the packages more than they are
	currently is desired.  In addition, it should provide some relief
	to customers in terms of reduced CPU usage during installation and
	upgrade.

	This project requests a Patch binding due to its binding to the
	updates.  It intends to integrate into the SFW consolidation.

2. Architecture

	The architecture, as relevant to integration in Solaris is simple.
	There are three executables: 7z, 7za, and 7zr.  The first is the
	most general.  It supports multiple archive and compression formats
	through shared-object plugins.  7za does not use any plugins, and
	hence supports fewer formats.  7zr is even further reduced,
	supporting only the 7z archive and compression formats.  Despite
	the non-obvious utility of 7za and 7zr on modern systems, all three
	executables are being delivered in order to meet expectations of
	users of p7zip on other platforms, where all three are provided.

	For the purposes of this ARC case, however, only the 7z archive
	format and LZMA compression algorithms are supported.  Bzip2, gzip,
	zip, rar, tar, cpio, and its myriad other capabilities will likely
	be present, but their presence will not be guaranteed on an ongoing
	basis.

	As a caution to anyone who uses 7z, it is not useful as a general
	purpose archiver on unix systems, as it does not store user and
	group permissions.  This is thanks to its Windows heritage.
	However, there is no issue with its usage for compression of
	individual files.

	For those interested in the actual archive format (and others
	available), compression, commandline options, and other features,
	the man pages are available in the materials directory of this
	case, and more information yet may be found at [1].

	All exported interfaces not mentioned in section 3 below are
	considered Volatile.

3. Exported Interfaces

   SUNWp7zip                 Uncommitted          Package name

   /usr/bin/7z               Committed            Executable location
   /usr/bin/7za              Uncommitted          Executable location
   /usr/bin/7zr              Uncommitted          Executable location
   7z, 7za, 7zr              Uncommitted          Commandline syntax
   /usr/lib/7z               Project Private      Plugin directory

4. References

[1] http://www.7-zip.org/
[2] http://p7zip.sourceforge.net/
[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lempel-Ziv-Markov_algorithm

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Danek Duvall <danek.duvall@sun.com> wrote:

> I'm sponsoring the following fast-track for myself.  I'm setting the
> time-out to one week from today: November 9, 2007.  Release binding is
> Patch due to the desire to include this in the S10 updates.
>
> Thanks,
> Danek
>
> ===========================================================================
>
> 1. Background
>
> 	This project proposes to integrate p7zip[1,2], a freeware archiving
> 	and compression utility.  It is similar in usage to zip, as opposed
> 	to gzip or tar, and compresses as well as archives.  The compression
> 	algorithm is LZMA[3], which, compared to bzip2, generally gives
> 	higher compression ratios, and is generally more cpu and memory
> 	friendly on decompression.

I hope the p7zip binary will be included, it is needed by star.

I also hope that someone creates a version that _really_ deals with stdin/stdout
and delivers a compress(1) compatible interface.

The current "p7zip" is a shell script that creates an intermediate /tmp/ file.

Jörg

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On Fri, Nov 02, 2007 at 11:27:08PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote:

> I hope the p7zip binary will be included, it is needed by star.

"binary"?  You do mean the script, like you talk about later, right?  I can
do that.

Consider

       /usr/bin/p7zip            Uncommitted          Executable location

added to the interface table.  I've put the man page in the materials
directory with the rest.

> I also hope that someone creates a version that _really_ deals with stdin/stdout
> and delivers a compress(1) compatible interface.

You'll have to talk to the upstream maintainers to fix that.

Thanks,
Danek

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Danek Duvall <danek.duvall@sun.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 02, 2007 at 11:27:08PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote:
>
> > I hope the p7zip binary will be included, it is needed by star.
>
> "binary"?  You do mean the script, like you talk about later, right?  I can
> do that.

I am talking about the script, but I would like to see something better.
I am not sure whether I had to modify the script to make it work. I have to 
fetch an original version again...

Anyway, an executable "p7zip" in PATH allows star to automatically unpack 7z 
compressed tar archives. 

> Consider
>
>        /usr/bin/p7zip            Uncommitted          Executable location
>
> added to the interface table.  I've put the man page in the materials
> directory with the rest.
>
> > I also hope that someone creates a version that _really_ deals with stdin/stdout
> > and delivers a compress(1) compatible interface.
>
> You'll have to talk to the upstream maintainers to fix that.

I believe I did but I did not get an answer.

Jörg

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On Fri, 2007-11-02 at 15:15 -0700, Danek Duvall wrote:
> 	  There are three executables: 7z, 7za, and 7zr.  The first is the
>         most general.  It supports multiple archive and compression formats
>         through shared-object plugins.  7za does not use any plugins, and
>         hence supports fewer formats.  7zr is even further reduced,
>         supporting only the 7z archive and compression formats. 
...
> 	For the purposes of this ARC case, however, only the 7z archive
> 	format and LZMA compression algorithms are supported.  Bzip2, gzip,
> 	zip, rar, tar, cpio, and its myriad other capabilities will likely
> 	be present, but their presence will not be guaranteed on an ongoing
> 	basis.

Given this caveat, why not make "7zr" the "Committed" variant and have
7z and 7za be "Uncommitted"?

					- Bill



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On Fri, Nov 02, 2007 at 06:50:06PM -0400, Bill Sommerfeld wrote:

> On Fri, 2007-11-02 at 15:15 -0700, Danek Duvall wrote:
> > 	  There are three executables: 7z, 7za, and 7zr.  The first is the
> >         most general.  It supports multiple archive and compression formats
> >         through shared-object plugins.  7za does not use any plugins, and
> >         hence supports fewer formats.  7zr is even further reduced,
> >         supporting only the 7z archive and compression formats. 
> ...
> > 	For the purposes of this ARC case, however, only the 7z archive
> > 	format and LZMA compression algorithms are supported.  Bzip2, gzip,
> > 	zip, rar, tar, cpio, and its myriad other capabilities will likely
> > 	be present, but their presence will not be guaranteed on an ongoing
> > 	basis.
> 
> Given this caveat, why not make "7zr" the "Committed" variant and have
> 7z and 7za be "Uncommitted"?

I want to commit to the executable name which most people expect (and is
thus the least likely to disappear from upstream), and I believe that the
more common commandline invocation is 7z.  If anyone has data to the
contrary, I'm more than happy to switch the stability classifications.

Danek

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Danek Duvall <danek.duvall@sun.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 02, 2007 at 06:50:06PM -0400, Bill Sommerfeld wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 2007-11-02 at 15:15 -0700, Danek Duvall wrote:
> > > 	  There are three executables: 7z, 7za, and 7zr.  The first is the
> > >         most general.  It supports multiple archive and compression formats
> > >         through shared-object plugins.  7za does not use any plugins, and
> > >         hence supports fewer formats.  7zr is even further reduced,
> > >         supporting only the 7z archive and compression formats. 
> > ...
> > > 	For the purposes of this ARC case, however, only the 7z archive
> > > 	format and LZMA compression algorithms are supported.  Bzip2, gzip,
> > > 	zip, rar, tar, cpio, and its myriad other capabilities will likely
> > > 	be present, but their presence will not be guaranteed on an ongoing
> > > 	basis.
> > 
> > Given this caveat, why not make "7zr" the "Committed" variant and have
> > 7z and 7za be "Uncommitted"?
>
> I want to commit to the executable name which most people expect (and is
> thus the least likely to disappear from upstream), and I believe that the
> more common commandline invocation is 7z.  If anyone has data to the
> contrary, I'm more than happy to switch the stability classifications.

I believe 7z is more common. I did decide to use the option -7z for star
when I added support for p7zip to star in spring.

Jörg

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On Fri, Nov 02, 2007 at 03:15:48PM -0700, Danek Duvall wrote:
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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=3D
>=20
> 1. Background
>=20
> 	This project proposes to integrate p7zip[1,2], a freeware archiving
> 	and compression utility.  It is similar in usage to zip, as opposed
> 	to gzip or tar, and compresses as well as archives.  The compression
> 	algorithm is LZMA[3], which, compared to bzip2, generally gives
> 	higher compression ratios, and is generally more cpu and memory
> 	friendly on decompression.
>=20
> 	These factors are the primary motivators for inclusion in Solaris;
> 	in particular, delivery of S10, Update 5 is at risk due to the size
> 	of the CD1 image, and compressing the packages more than they are
> 	currently is desired.  In addition, it should provide some relief
> 	to customers in terms of reduced CPU usage during installation and
> 	upgrade.

Is there an implication that systems without this utility will not be
able to read s10u5 packages?

Ceri
--=20
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On Sat, Nov 03, 2007 at 10:47:25AM +0000, Ceri Davies wrote:

> Is there an implication that systems without this utility will not be
> able to read s10u5 packages?

I believe so, but that's definitely not this case; this case is merely an
enabler for the new faspac behavior.  A new case would not be required for
the faspac change, as there are no interface changes involved.  It just has
to work.

Typically, I believe, a patch would be issued to allow any system which
required the ability to install packages with the new compression to have
the new utility, much like you need to patch live upgrade first, before
using it to upgrade your system.

Danek

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Danek Duvall writes:
> 	As a caution to anyone who uses 7z, it is not useful as a general
> 	purpose archiver on unix systems, as it does not store user and
> 	group permissions.  This is thanks to its Windows heritage.
> 	However, there is no issue with its usage for compression of
> 	individual files.

With Windows heritage, shouldn't this feature eventually support the
PSARC 2007/315 interfaces used by the CIFS server?

If it's a well-known Windows thing, I'd expect it to work with other
Windows-related bits in Solaris.

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From: Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling)
Subject: Re: PSARC/2007/617 p7zip 4.55
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James Carlson <james.d.carlson@sun.com> wrote:

> Danek Duvall writes:
> > 	As a caution to anyone who uses 7z, it is not useful as a general
> > 	purpose archiver on unix systems, as it does not store user and
> > 	group permissions.  This is thanks to its Windows heritage.
> > 	However, there is no issue with its usage for compression of
> > 	individual files.
>
> With Windows heritage, shouldn't this feature eventually support the
> PSARC 2007/315 interfaces used by the CIFS server?

star will do this soon..... it already allows to archive and restore the *BSD
extended file flags.

Jörg

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Joerg Schilling writes:
> James Carlson <james.d.carlson@sun.com> wrote:
> 
> > Danek Duvall writes:
> > > 	As a caution to anyone who uses 7z, it is not useful as a general
> > > 	purpose archiver on unix systems, as it does not store user and
> > > 	group permissions.  This is thanks to its Windows heritage.
> > > 	However, there is no issue with its usage for compression of
> > > 	individual files.
> >
> > With Windows heritage, shouldn't this feature eventually support the
> > PSARC 2007/315 interfaces used by the CIFS server?
> 
> star will do this soon..... it already allows to archive and restore the *BSD
> extended file flags.

Can we _please_ stay on topic here?  The topic is an architectural
review of "7z."

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James Carlson <james.d.carlson@Sun.COM> wrote:

> Joerg Schilling writes:
> > James Carlson <james.d.carlson@sun.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > Danek Duvall writes:
> > > > 	As a caution to anyone who uses 7z, it is not useful as a general
> > > > 	purpose archiver on unix systems, as it does not store user and
> > > > 	group permissions.  This is thanks to its Windows heritage.
> > > > 	However, there is no issue with its usage for compression of
> > > > 	individual files.
> > >
> > > With Windows heritage, shouldn't this feature eventually support the
> > > PSARC 2007/315 interfaces used by the CIFS server?
> > 
> > star will do this soon..... it already allows to archive and restore the *BSD
> > extended file flags.
>
> Can we _please_ stay on topic here?  The topic is an architectural
> review of "7z."

Please stay on topic.....you started this off-topic thread.

Your question has already been answered: If you talk to the upstream maintainer,
go ahead.

Jörg

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Joerg Schilling wrote:
> James Carlson <james.d.carlson@Sun.COM> wrote:
> 
>> Joerg Schilling writes:
>>> James Carlson <james.d.carlson@sun.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Danek Duvall writes:
>>>>> 	As a caution to anyone who uses 7z, it is not useful as a general
>>>>> 	purpose archiver on unix systems, as it does not store user and
>>>>> 	group permissions.  This is thanks to its Windows heritage.
>>>>> 	However, there is no issue with its usage for compression of
>>>>> 	individual files.
>>>> With Windows heritage, shouldn't this feature eventually support the
>>>> PSARC 2007/315 interfaces used by the CIFS server?
>>> star will do this soon..... it already allows to archive and restore the *BSD
>>> extended file flags.
>> Can we _please_ stay on topic here?  The topic is an architectural
>> review of "7z."
> 
> Please stay on topic.....you started this off-topic thread.

Jim's comment was completely on topic for ARC review of 7z.  The project 
team said 7z has Windows heritage and Jim pointed out a Windows 
filesystem related ARC case.

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Darren J Moffat <Darren.Moffat@Sun.COM> wrote:

> >>>> With Windows heritage, shouldn't this feature eventually support the
> >>>> PSARC 2007/315 interfaces used by the CIFS server?
> >>> star will do this soon..... it already allows to archive and restore the *BSD
> >>> extended file flags.
> >> Can we _please_ stay on topic here?  The topic is an architectural
> >> review of "7z."
> > 
> > Please stay on topic.....you started this off-topic thread.
>
> Jim's comment was completely on topic for ARC review of 7z.  The project 
> team said 7z has Windows heritage and Jim pointed out a Windows 
> filesystem related ARC case.

Sure?

MS-Win has different interfaces and if you like to support the aditional flags, 
you would need to write compltely new interface code.

For this reason, James introduced the level of off-topic-ness that I just 
followed up.

Jörg

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Joerg Schilling writes:
> MS-Win has different interfaces and if you like to support the aditional flags, 
> you would need to write compltely new interface code.
> 
> For this reason, James introduced the level of off-topic-ness that I just 
> followed up.

I never asked the team to make any changes.  I asked a question.  I'm
expecting an answer that looks something like one of these:

  - "Yes, that's a trivial change.  We'll do it and feed it upstream."

  - "Yes, it sounds like that could be done.  We'll discuss it with
    the upstream maintainers, but it's not part of this project."

  - "No, it can't or shouldn't be done, because <insert reason here>."

Stating that "star" will one day support these features is just beside
the point.  It doesn't help determine how or whether this "7z" project
will fit in OpenSolaris.  Figuring out whether 7z works with other
ARC-approved Windows-supporting interfaces *does* help.

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On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 07:37:37AM -0500, James Carlson wrote:

> Danek Duvall writes:
> > 	As a caution to anyone who uses 7z, it is not useful as a general
> > 	purpose archiver on unix systems, as it does not store user and
> > 	group permissions.  This is thanks to its Windows heritage.
> > 	However, there is no issue with its usage for compression of
> > 	individual files.
> 
> With Windows heritage, shouldn't this feature eventually support the
> PSARC 2007/315 interfaces used by the CIFS server?

That would certainly be a useful enhancement, but this case is intended to
integrate p7zip as-is, without modification.  Feel free to engage the
upstream maintainer to find out if he would be willing to accept patches or
do the work.

Danek

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Danek Duvall writes:
> On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 07:37:37AM -0500, James Carlson wrote:
> 
> > Danek Duvall writes:
> > > 	As a caution to anyone who uses 7z, it is not useful as a general
> > > 	purpose archiver on unix systems, as it does not store user and
> > > 	group permissions.  This is thanks to its Windows heritage.
> > > 	However, there is no issue with its usage for compression of
> > > 	individual files.
> > 
> > With Windows heritage, shouldn't this feature eventually support the
> > PSARC 2007/315 interfaces used by the CIFS server?
> 
> That would certainly be a useful enhancement, but this case is intended to
> integrate p7zip as-is, without modification.  Feel free to engage the
> upstream maintainer to find out if he would be willing to accept patches or
> do the work.

OK.  If there's any chance for such confusion with Windows attributes,
then I'd suggest at least a note to the contrary as part of the
documentation delivered with the project.

Otherwise, no, I'm not going to go off and implement this.  :-/

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Danek Duvall wrote:
> 
> I'm sponsoring the following fast-track for myself.  I'm setting the
> time-out to one week from today: November 9, 2007.  Release binding is
> Patch due to the desire to include this in the S10 updates.
> 
> Thanks,
> Danek
[snip]
> 3. Exported Interfaces
> 
>    SUNWp7zip                 Uncommitted          Package name
> 
>    /usr/bin/7z               Committed            Executable location
>    /usr/bin/7za              Uncommitted          Executable location
>    /usr/bin/7zr              Uncommitted          Executable location

I really wish you would've used longer command names (e.g. greater than
three letters (Ok... I'm mainly sulking about the two-letter "7z" thing
and that it starts with a number)) and avoided the number at the
beginning... ;-(

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On Wed, Nov 07, 2007 at 04:34:46PM +0100, Roland Mainz wrote:

> >    /usr/bin/7z               Committed            Executable location
> >    /usr/bin/7za              Uncommitted          Executable location
> >    /usr/bin/7zr              Uncommitted          Executable location
> 
> I really wish you would've used longer command names (e.g. greater than
> three letters (Ok... I'm mainly sulking about the two-letter "7z" thing
> and that it starts with a number)) and avoided the number at the
> beginning... ;-(

It wasn't my choice.  Don't forget, this is a pass-thru case -- I'm making
as minimal a change as possible to what comes out of the tarball's default
build as possible to minimize the ongoing maintenance burden of the
component and to preserve expectations of users coming from other operating
environments.

Sulk all you like, but doing so in public is a waste of time and generally
just looks bad.

Danek

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From: Darren J Moffat <Darren.Moffat@sun.com>
Subject: Re: PSARC/2007/617 p7zip 4.55
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Roland Mainz wrote:
> Danek Duvall wrote:
>> I'm sponsoring the following fast-track for myself.  I'm setting the
>> time-out to one week from today: November 9, 2007.  Release binding is
>> Patch due to the desire to include this in the S10 updates.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Danek
> [snip]
>> 3. Exported Interfaces
>>
>>    SUNWp7zip                 Uncommitted          Package name
>>
>>    /usr/bin/7z               Committed            Executable location
>>    /usr/bin/7za              Uncommitted          Executable location
>>    /usr/bin/7zr              Uncommitted          Executable location
> 
> I really wish you would've used longer command names (e.g. greater than
> three letters (Ok... I'm mainly sulking about the two-letter "7z" thing
> and that it starts with a number)) and avoided the number at the
> beginning... ;-(

*This* project team didn't pick the names and using names that are 
different to the upstream open source community is unnecessary 
difference (given there is no clash otherwise) and worse then the mess 
that was created with /usr/sfw/bin.

If *this* project team had said they picked a different name I would 
have objected based on the above.

-- 
Darren J Moffat

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This case was approved today in PSARC business.

Danek

