From dwc@sac.sfbay.sun.com Thu Nov 1 21:17:51 2007 Received: from sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA24Ho3v003925 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 21:17:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA24E2cp017822; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 12:14:13 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JQV00G132FMU700@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 22:14:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dm-sfbay-02.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.11.31]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JQV008C72FLDGE0@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 22:14:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sac.sfbay.sun.com (new-sac.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.175.65]) by dm-sfbay-02.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA24E9rW042226; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:14:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sac.sfbay.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA24HhDJ003920; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:17:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dwc@localhost) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/Submit) id lA24HhkS003916; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:17:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:17:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Cragun Subject: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] To: PSARC-ext@sun.com Cc: Craig.Mohrman@sun.com Message-id: <200711020417.lA24HhkS003916@sac.sfbay.sun.com> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 Status: RO Content-Length: 1535 Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.64 07/13/07 SMI This information is Copyright 2007 Sun Microsystems 1. Introduction 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: Author: Craig Mohrman 1.3 Date of This Document: 01 November, 2007 4. Technical Description Summary This project moves GNU tar from /usr/sfw/bin to /usr/bin and updates the version from 1.14 to 1.17. 4.1 Details The actual binary moves from /usr/sfw/bin/gtar to /usr/bin/gtar. A link is left behind from /usr/sfw/bin/gtar to /usr/bin/gtar. In addition /usr/gnu/bin/tar will be a link to /usr/bin/gtar. There is also a GNU rmt command that will move from /usr/sfw/libexec/grmt to /usr/libexec/rmt. The GNU tar man page moves to /usr/share/man and an appropriate link is placed in /usr/gnu/man. Numerous localized message files move from /usr/sfw/lib/locale to /usr/lib/locale. An info file moves from /usr/sfw/share/info/tar.info to /usr/share/info/tar.info. 4.2 BUG/RFE Number(s): 6407045 Upgrade GNU tar (gtar) to 1.15.90 to address CVE-2006-0300 6621125 move GNU gtar from /usr/sfw/bin to /usr/bin 5. References PSARC 2000/488: Solaris/Linux Commands Compatibility PSARC 2005/185: Enabling Serendipitous Discovery PSARC 2007/047: /usr/gnu 6. Resources and Schedule 6.4. Steering Committee requested information 6.4.1. Consolidation C-team Name: SFW 6.5. ARC review type: FastTrack 6.6. ARC Exposure: open From gdamore@sun.com Thu Nov 1 21:37:39 2007 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA24bd3v003997 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 21:37:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA24Y2B1043388; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 22:34:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JQV00D053CQG800@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:34:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.43.132]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JQV00FBC3CP92F0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:34:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lA24Y1ES003319; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:34:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JQV005013AMCI00@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> (original mail from gdamore@sun.com) ; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:34:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.251.106] ([76.174.83.55]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JQV00ACK3COQT80@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com>; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:34:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:30:22 -0700 From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <200711020417.lA24HhkS003916@sac.sfbay.sun.com> Sender: Garrett.Damore@sun.com To: Don Cragun Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com Message-id: <472AA7DE.1050009@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <200711020417.lA24HhkS003916@sac.sfbay.sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (X11/20070827) Status: RO Content-Length: 2451 One area of possible concern is the naming of the info pages. Specifically, GNU/Linux (gawd that sounds awful) call GNU tar "tar", and "info tar" returns meaningful information on that version. On Solaris, /usr/bin/tar (and indeed "tar", unless /usr/gnu is in your path first!) will be the Solaris version, and thus "info tar", as proposed by this case, will have information about the program called "gtar" rather than the program called "tar". IOW, wouldn't it make more sense to rename the info page to "gtar.info"? (Of course, that has its own implications for people working on Linux systems used to typing "info tar".... you just can't win!) Btw, the man pages have the same issue, right? They have to be gtar.1, not tar.1, to avoid collision with our Solaris versions. -- Garrett Don Cragun wrote: > Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.64 07/13/07 SMI > This information is Copyright 2007 Sun Microsystems > 1. Introduction > 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: > Move GNU tar to /usr/bin > 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: > Author: Craig Mohrman > 1.3 Date of This Document: > 01 November, 2007 > 4. Technical Description > > Summary > > This project moves GNU tar from /usr/sfw/bin to /usr/bin and > updates the version from 1.14 to 1.17. > > 4.1 Details > > The actual binary moves from /usr/sfw/bin/gtar to /usr/bin/gtar. > A link is left behind from /usr/sfw/bin/gtar to /usr/bin/gtar. > In addition /usr/gnu/bin/tar will be a link to /usr/bin/gtar. > There is also a GNU rmt command that will move from > /usr/sfw/libexec/grmt to /usr/libexec/rmt. > The GNU tar man page moves to /usr/share/man and an appropriate link > is placed in /usr/gnu/man. > > Numerous localized message files move from /usr/sfw/lib/locale > to /usr/lib/locale. > An info file moves from /usr/sfw/share/info/tar.info to > /usr/share/info/tar.info. > > 4.2 BUG/RFE Number(s): > 6407045 Upgrade GNU tar (gtar) to 1.15.90 to address CVE-2006-0300 > 6621125 move GNU gtar from /usr/sfw/bin to /usr/bin > > 5. References > > PSARC 2000/488: Solaris/Linux Commands Compatibility > PSARC 2005/185: Enabling Serendipitous Discovery > PSARC 2007/047: /usr/gnu > > 6. Resources and Schedule > 6.4. Steering Committee requested information > 6.4.1. Consolidation C-team Name: > SFW > 6.5. ARC review type: FastTrack > 6.6. ARC Exposure: open > > From dwc@spartan.eng.sun.com Thu Nov 1 21:41:39 2007 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA24fdEC004013 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 21:41:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA24c18V007919; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 21:38:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JQV00I0H3JDSR00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 22:38:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM ([129.146.226.64]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JQV00I5Y3JDI800@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 22:38:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lA24c099009134; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:38:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dwc@localhost) by spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6/Submit) id lA24c0wl009133; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:38:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:38:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Cragun Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] To: PSARC-ext@sun.com Cc: Craig.Mohrman@sun.com Message-id: <200711020438.lA24c0wl009133@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 Status: RO Content-Length: 312 I forgot to mention that I am sponsoring this case for Craig Mohrman and this case seeks a minor release binding. This is being filed as a fast track rather than as a self approved case only because the GNU tar version is changing in addition to moving the binaries from /usr/sfw/bin to /usr/bin. Cheers, Don From David.Comay@sun.com Thu Nov 1 21:46:43 2007 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA24khMn004049 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 21:46:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA24h6HV023814; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 21:43:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JQV00J033RU8G00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 22:43:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from izimbra.SFBay.Sun.COM ([129.146.226.141]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JQV00IDP3RTIC00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 22:43:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by izimbra.SFBay.Sun.COM (8.14.1+Sun/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA24h5K6001687; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:43:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:43:05 -0700 (PDT) From: David.Comay@sun.com Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <472AA7DE.1050009@sun.com> Sender: comay@izimbra.sfbay.sun.com To: "Garrett D'Amore" Cc: Don Cragun , PSARC-ext@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <200711020417.lA24HhkS003916@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <472AA7DE.1050009@sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 582 > IOW, wouldn't it make more sense to rename the info page to > "gtar.info"? (Of course, that has its own implications for people > working on Linux systems used to typing "info tar".... you just can't win!) Perhaps it makes sense to also deliver a gtar.info but the information in the file will still refer to just "tar". > Btw, the man pages have the same issue, right? They have to be gtar.1, > not tar.1, to avoid collision with our Solaris versions. gtar.1 will be delivered under /usr/share/man. tar.1 will be delivered under /usr/gnu/share/man as a link to gtar.1 dsc From gdamore@sun.com Thu Nov 1 22:11:36 2007 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA25BaLM005065 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 22:11:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA257xq7014382; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 22:07:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JQV003014XBX800@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 22:07:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.43.132]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JQV00MUW4XBGW90@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 22:07:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lA257xHg004484; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 22:07:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JQV00L014V5C300@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> (original mail from gdamore@sun.com) ; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 22:07:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.251.106] ([76.174.83.55]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JQV00AOM4XAQTD0@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com>; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 22:07:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 22:04:19 -0700 From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: Sender: Garrett.Damore@sun.com To: david.comay@sun.com Cc: Don Cragun , PSARC-ext@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com Message-id: <472AAFD3.6000508@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <200711020417.lA24HhkS003916@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <472AA7DE.1050009@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (X11/20070827) Status: RO Content-Length: 1341 David.Comay@Sun.COM wrote: >> IOW, wouldn't it make more sense to rename the info page to >> "gtar.info"? (Of course, that has its own implications for people >> working on Linux systems used to typing "info tar".... you just can't >> win!) > > Perhaps it makes sense to also deliver a gtar.info but the information > in the file will still refer to just "tar". I guess architecturally, I find it a little dissatisfying (and maybe there is nothing to be done for it) that documentation refers to one program name, while the actual binaries are called something else. Is it unreasonable to suggest/recommend/request that the documentation be edited for delivery into ON? > >> Btw, the man pages have the same issue, right? They have to be gtar.1, >> not tar.1, to avoid collision with our Solaris versions. > > gtar.1 will be delivered under /usr/share/man. tar.1 will be delivered > under /usr/gnu/share/man as a link to gtar.1 Cool. Will the man page reference both /usr/bin/gtar and /usr/gnu/bin/tar as alternative ways of getting to the same program? (I.e. this may be another case where the documentation needs to be edited to reflect actuality.) I understand a desire to minimize changes relative to upstream sources, but I think accuracy of the documentation trumps (or should trump) that concern. -- Garrett From Darren.Moffat@sun.com Fri Nov 2 05:53:33 2007 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA2CrWnq011152 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 05:53:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA2CnrYh014249; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 12:49:55 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JQV0010BQB41I00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 05:49:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gmp-eb-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.6.24]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JQV00625QB3Z7B0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 05:49:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-emea-10.sun.com (gmp-eb-lb-2-fe3.eu.sun.com [192.18.6.12]) by gmp-eb-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lA2CnpYn000573; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 12:49:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-emea-10.sun.com by fe-emea-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JQV00101Q0DQ500@fe-emea-10.sun.com> (original mail from Darren.Moffat@Sun.COM); Fri, 02 Nov 2007 12:49:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [129.156.173.21] by fe-emea-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JQV005HIQB28R10@fe-emea-10.sun.com>; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 12:49:51 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 12:49:50 +0000 From: Darren J Moffat Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <200711020417.lA24HhkS003916@sac.sfbay.sun.com> Sender: Darren.Moffat@sun.com To: Don Cragun Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com Message-id: <472B1CEE.6020302@Sun.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <200711020417.lA24HhkS003916@sac.sfbay.sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070924) Status: RO Content-Length: 815 Don Cragun wrote: > There is also a GNU rmt command that will move from > /usr/sfw/libexec/grmt to /usr/libexec/rmt. We have no /usr/libexec this case appears to be precedent setting without detailing what the precedent for /usr/libexec is. I know we have /usr/sfw/libexec but that only has the above mentioned rmt and some gcc stuff. I can't approve this case without the rules for /usr/libexec being defined. Personally I do not think we should have /usr/libexec in Solaris we already have a huge amount of non .so content in /usr/lib including what on GNU systems goes in /usr/libexec. I think that this rmt could live in either /usr/gnu/libexec/rmt /usr/lib/grmt or similar, but not /usr/libexec - unless the rules are defined and we expect more than just this to live there. -- Darren J Moffat From Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de Fri Nov 2 06:43:55 2007 Received: from sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA2Dhsb3011707 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 06:43:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA2De82k027824; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 21:40:13 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JQV00303SMZVK00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 06:40:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sca-ea-mail-3.sun.com ([192.18.43.21]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JQV006HASMYZJF0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 06:40:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay16i.sun.com (ip126.net129179-4.block1.us.syntegra.com [129.179.4.126]) by sca-ea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lA2DPof0015603; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 13:40:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mmp12es.sun.com ([160.41.209.22] [160.41.209.22]) by relay16i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-39919; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 13:40:10 +0000 (Z) Received: from relay14i.sun.com (relay14i.sun.com [129.179.4.124]) by mmp12es.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-512797; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 13:40:10 +0000 (Z) Received: from mailgw2.fraunhofer.de ([153.96.1.19] [153.96.1.19]) by relay1i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-176067; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 13:40:09 +0000 (Z) Received: from mailgw2.fraunhofer.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw2.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lA2DMetc020715; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 14:22:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de [195.37.77.164]) by mailgw2.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lA2DMIK7019443 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 02 Nov 2007 14:22:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de (bohr [10.147.9.231]) by pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (8.13.7/8.13.7) with SMTP id lA2D4gpj022911; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 14:04:42 +0100 (MET) Received: from burner ([10.147.65.166]) by EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 02 Nov 2007 14:04:42 +0100 Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 14:04:10 +0100 From: Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <472B1CEE.6020302@Sun.COM> To: don.cragun@sun.com, Darren.Moffat@sun.com Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com Message-id: <472b204a.gFc7BOhT2wmY3h36%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Fraunhofer-Email-Policy: accepted References: <200711020417.lA24HhkS003916@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <472B1CEE.6020302@Sun.COM> User-Agent: nail 11.22 3/20/05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2007 13:04:42.0725 (UTC) FILETIME=[EF2B7150:01C81D50] Status: RO Content-Length: 806 Darren J Moffat wrote: > Don Cragun wrote: > > There is also a GNU rmt command that will move from > > /usr/sfw/libexec/grmt to /usr/libexec/rmt. > > We have no /usr/libexec this case appears to be precedent setting > without detailing what the precedent for /usr/libexec is. There is _absolutely_ no need to have grmt as there is the rmt from the star package that is a superset of all other known rmt packages. ARC already decided to replace /etc/rmt by the rmt from star. Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de Fri Nov 2 06:47:11 2007 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA2DlB59011724 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 06:47:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA2DhY4i016286; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 06:43:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JQV00E0XSSN3300@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 06:43:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sca-ea-mail-4.sun.com ([192.18.43.22]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JQV003MKSSLB750@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 06:43:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay14i.sun.com (ip124.net129179-4.block1.us.syntegra.com [129.179.4.124]) by sca-ea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lA2DhXHf029880; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 13:43:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mmp13es.sun.com ([160.41.209.23] [160.41.209.23]) by relay14i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-38621; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 13:43:33 +0000 (Z) Received: from relay14i.sun.com (relay14i.sun.com [129.179.4.124]) by mmp13es.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-158108; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 13:43:33 +0000 (Z) Received: from mailgw2.fraunhofer.de ([153.96.1.19] [153.96.1.19]) by relay1i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-176635; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 13:43:32 +0000 (Z) Received: from mailgw2.fraunhofer.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw2.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lA2DhViS028694; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 14:43:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de [195.37.77.164]) by mailgw2.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lA2DhUEs028586 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 02 Nov 2007 14:43:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de (bohr [10.147.9.231]) by pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (8.13.7/8.13.7) with SMTP id lA2DdjJi025531; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 14:39:46 +0100 (MET) Received: from burner ([10.147.65.166]) by EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 02 Nov 2007 14:39:46 +0100 Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 14:39:14 +0100 From: Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <200711020417.lA24HhkS003916@sac.sfbay.sun.com> To: PSARC-ext@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com Cc: Craig.Mohrman@sun.com Message-id: <472b2882.80WhDECQ/NGha0pA%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Fraunhofer-Email-Policy: accepted References: <200711020417.lA24HhkS003916@sac.sfbay.sun.com> User-Agent: nail 11.22 3/20/05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2007 13:39:46.0076 (UTC) FILETIME=[D4DD55C0:01C81D55] Status: RO Content-Length: 1003 Don Cragun wrote: > 4.1 Details > > The actual binary moves from /usr/sfw/bin/gtar to /usr/bin/gtar. > A link is left behind from /usr/sfw/bin/gtar to /usr/bin/gtar. > In addition /usr/gnu/bin/tar will be a link to /usr/bin/gtar. > There is also a GNU rmt command that will move from > /usr/sfw/libexec/grmt to /usr/libexec/rmt. Please do not balcanize OpenSolaris! Instead of adding unneeded communication software better implement PSARC/2004/480 It contains the decision to replace /etc/rmt & /usr/sbin/rmt by the rmt program that comes with star. This program implements a superset of all known rmt implementations and is the only grant for compatibility. Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From carlsonj@phorcys.east.sun.com Fri Nov 2 08:47:51 2007 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA2Flpkc013612 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 08:47:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA2FiDUm016497; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 08:44:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JQV0040RYDRL700@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 09:44:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com ([129.148.174.143]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JQV00HA2YDQPC90@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 09:44:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.1+Sun/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA2Fhcqb014427; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:43:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from carlsonj@localhost) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.1+Sun/8.14.1/Submit) id lA2FhcFi014424; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:43:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:43:38 -0400 From: James Carlson Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <200711020417.lA24HhkS003916@sac.sfbay.sun.com> To: Don Cragun Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com Message-id: <18219.17834.786383.874762@gargle.gargle.HOWL> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VM 7.01 under Emacs 21.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <200711020417.lA24HhkS003916@sac.sfbay.sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 656 Don Cragun writes: > There is also a GNU rmt command that will move from > /usr/sfw/libexec/grmt to /usr/libexec/rmt. What is "/usr/libexec"? There's no such thing on Solaris. Is this project intentionally proposing a new /usr entry? If so, I'd like to see a good definition of its semantics for the filesystem(5) page. Otherwise, I think this belongs in "/usr/lib", unless there's some technical reason to prefer "libexec." -- James Carlson, Solaris Networking Sun Microsystems / 35 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677 From David.Comay@sun.com Fri Nov 2 09:52:14 2007 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA2GqEv2015977 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 09:52:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA2Gmc0J023806; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 09:48:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JQW008071D1Z900@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 09:48:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from izimbra.SFBay.Sun.COM ([129.146.226.141]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JQW0089Q1D1HM00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 09:48:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by izimbra.SFBay.Sun.COM (8.14.1+Sun/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA2GmbAn002029; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 09:48:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 09:48:36 -0700 (PDT) From: David.Comay@sun.com Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <472AAFD3.6000508@sun.com> Sender: comay@izimbra.sfbay.sun.com To: "Garrett D'Amore" Cc: Don Cragun , PSARC-ext@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <200711020417.lA24HhkS003916@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <472AA7DE.1050009@sun.com> <472AAFD3.6000508@sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 1074 > Is it unreasonable to suggest/recommend/request that the documentation be > edited for delivery into ON? This component will be delivered via SFW and not ON - and while I share the concern about the discrepancy in the name, we also try to avoid making gratuitous changes to the files delivered components by the consolidation. Admitted, this is perhaps a small enough change that warrants it being done but in general I would recommend against it (perhaps a better idea would be to patch the file with a small note at the beginning indicating it refers to GNU tar but I would leave that to the project team to decide). > Cool. Will the man page reference both /usr/bin/gtar and /usr/gnu/bin/tar as > alternative ways of getting to the same program? (I.e. this may be another > case where the documentation needs to be edited to reflect actuality.) > > I understand a desire to minimize changes relative to upstream sources, but I > think accuracy of the documentation trumps (or should trump) that concern. I think that should be left to the project team. dsc From casper@holland.sun.com Fri Nov 2 09:59:31 2007 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA2GxUtu016556 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 09:59:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA2GtnUb015511; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 16:55:53 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JQW009011P5NC00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 09:55:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm-holland-01.uk.sun.com ([129.156.101.192]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JQW008SR1P4HH00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 09:55:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from holland (casper@room101.Holland.Sun.COM [129.159.130.93]) by dm-holland-01.uk.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA2GtmqT020064; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:55:48 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 17:55:48 +0100 From: Casper.Dik@sun.com Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: Sender: casper@holland.sun.com To: David.Comay@sun.com Cc: "Garrett D'Amore" , Don Cragun , PSARC-ext@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com Message-id: <200711021655.lA2GtmqT020064@dm-holland-01.uk.sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <200711020417.lA24HhkS003916@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <472AA7DE.1050009@sun.com> <472AAFD3.6000508@sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 264 >> I understand a desire to minimize changes relative to upstream sources, but I >> think accuracy of the documentation trumps (or should trump) that concern. > >I think that should be left to the project team. I think that's an architectural matter. Casper From John.Plocher@sun.com Fri Nov 2 12:10:49 2007 Received: from sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA2JAmZr021161 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 12:10:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA2J76Eg025568; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 03:07:10 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JQW00L037RW7B00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 12:07:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.43.133]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JQW00HF07RVFR30@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 12:07:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-09.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lA2J77TQ011318; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 12:07:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-09.sun.com by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JQW00E015QS7L00@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> (original mail from John.Plocher@Sun.COM); Fri, 02 Nov 2007 12:07:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Macintosh.local ([72.255.28.234]) by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JQW0099F7RRI650@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com>; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 12:07:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 12:07:03 -0700 From: John Plocher Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: Sender: John.Plocher@sun.com To: David.Comay@sun.com Cc: "Garrett D'Amore" , PSARC-ext@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com, Don Cragun Message-id: <472B7557.7050607@Sun.Com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <200711020417.lA24HhkS003916@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <472AA7DE.1050009@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) Status: RO Content-Length: 894 Shouldn't this page have A LINE ADDED to it that tells the user that there are multiple tars on the system and where to look for them? -John David.Comay@Sun.COM wrote: >> IOW, wouldn't it make more sense to rename the info page to >> "gtar.info"? (Of course, that has its own implications for people >> working on Linux systems used to typing "info tar".... you just can't win!) > > Perhaps it makes sense to also deliver a gtar.info but the information > in the file will still refer to just "tar". > >> Btw, the man pages have the same issue, right? They have to be gtar.1, >> not tar.1, to avoid collision with our Solaris versions. > > gtar.1 will be delivered under /usr/share/man. tar.1 will be delivered > under /usr/gnu/share/man as a link to gtar.1 > > dsc > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-arc mailing list > opensolaris-arc@opensolaris.org From jek3@sun.com Fri Nov 2 12:36:45 2007 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA2JajXK021478 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 12:36:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA2JX7PC048672; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 13:33:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JQW00M0P8Z7LU00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; 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Fri, 02 Nov 2007 20:51:09 +0100 Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 20:50:36 +0100 From: Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <472B7B20.9050804@sun.com> To: jek3@sun.com Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com, Darren.Moffat@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com Message-id: <472b7f8c.z+hJ5F1ww4/0Qlq8%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Fraunhofer-Email-Policy: accepted References: <200711020417.lA24HhkS003916@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <472B1CEE.6020302@Sun.COM> <472b204a.gFc7BOhT2wmY3h36%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <472B7B20.9050804@sun.com> User-Agent: nail 11.22 3/20/05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2007 19:51:09.0396 (UTC) FILETIME=[B6C22140:01C81D89] Status: RO Content-Length: 672 Joseph Kowalski wrote: > Joerg Schilling wrote: > > There is _absolutely_ no need to have grmt as there is the rmt from > > the star package that is a superset of all other known rmt packages. > > > > ARC already decided to replace /etc/rmt by the rmt from star. > > > And when this integrates, there will be no issue. What do you understand by "this"? Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From jek3@sun.com Fri Nov 2 14:15:47 2007 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA2LFk35024671 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 14:15:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA2LC6EQ010710; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 15:12:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JQW00M1IDK9MN00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 14:12:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.17.59]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JQW00KF1DK5PH00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 14:12:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [129.150.12.137] (vpn-129-150-12-137.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.150.12.137]) by jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com (8.14.1+Sun/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA2LC4xd441017; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 14:12:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:11:51 -1000 From: Joseph Kowalski Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <200711021655.lA2GtmqT020064@dm-holland-01.uk.sun.com> To: Casper.Dik@sun.com Cc: David.Comay@sun.com, "Garrett D'Amore" , Don Cragun , PSARC-ext@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com Message-id: <472B9297.1050400@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <200711020417.lA24HhkS003916@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <472AA7DE.1050009@sun.com> <472AAFD3.6000508@sun.com> <200711021655.lA2GtmqT020064@dm-holland-01.uk.sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0b2 (X11/20070227) Status: RO Content-Length: 317 Casper.Dik@Sun.COM wrote: > >>> I understand a desire to minimize changes relative to upstream sources, but I >>> think accuracy of the documentation trumps (or should trump) that concern. >>> >> I think that should be left to the project team. >> > > I think that's an architectural matter. > +1 From Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de Sat Nov 3 03:48:27 2007 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA3AmRh6025980 for ; 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Sat, 03 Nov 2007 11:44:46 +0100 Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 11:44:13 +0100 From: Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <472B7557.7050607@Sun.Com> To: John.Plocher@sun.com, David.Comay@sun.com Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, gdamore@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com Message-id: <472c50fd.uZBr8Rf1JLlTp4YW%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Fraunhofer-Email-Policy: accepted References: <200711020417.lA24HhkS003916@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <472AA7DE.1050009@sun.com> <472B7557.7050607@Sun.Com> User-Agent: nail 11.22 3/20/05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Nov 2007 10:44:46.0573 (UTC) FILETIME=[8D1611D0:01C81E06] Status: RO Content-Length: 1097 John Plocher wrote: > Shouldn't this page have A LINE ADDED to it that tells the user > that there are multiple tars on the system and where to look for them? At least after GNU tar is moved to /usr/bin/ it seems to be important that either a newer version is used _and_ the comnpilation is done in a way that tells GNU tar to default to the POSIX.1-1988 tar archive format or that the man mage gets a big warning that GNU tar by default creates non-standard archives that cannot be read by vanilla tar programs. A sidenote: Sun should help to tell the FSF that POSIX mentions man(1) but not "info". Documentation in info style therefore is a second class citizen. A program thatcomes with info but not with a man(1) compliant documentation must be called undocumented. Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From David.Comay@Sun.COM Sat Nov 3 17:32:18 2007 Received: from sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA40WH47009475 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 17:32:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA40SVgK022145; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 08:28:32 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JQY00601HBJD100@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Sat, 03 Nov 2007 18:28:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from izimbra.SFBay.Sun.COM ([129.146.226.141]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JQY001QXHBISS80@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Sat, 03 Nov 2007 18:28:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by izimbra.SFBay.Sun.COM (8.14.1+Sun/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA40SUEf003711; Sat, 03 Nov 2007 17:28:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 17:28:30 -0700 (PDT) From: David.Comay@Sun.COM Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <472B1CEE.6020302@Sun.COM> Sender: comay@izimbra.sfbay.sun.com To: Darren J Moffat Cc: Don Cragun , PSARC-ext@Sun.COM, Craig.Mohrman@Sun.COM Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <200711020417.lA24HhkS003916@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <472B1CEE.6020302@Sun.COM> Status: RO Content-Length: 890 > I know we have /usr/sfw/libexec but that only has the above mentioned > rmt and some gcc stuff. > > I can't approve this case without the rules for /usr/libexec being > defined. Personally I do not think we should have /usr/libexec in > Solaris we already have a huge amount of non .so content in /usr/lib > including what on GNU systems goes in /usr/libexec. > > I think that this rmt could live in either /usr/gnu/libexec/rmt > /usr/lib/grmt or similar, but not /usr/libexec - unless the rules are > defined and we expect more than just this to live there. Given that the traditional use of /usr/lib includes more content than just libraries and that the need for familiarity it much more important for commands instead of support programs such as "rmt", I'm fine with not introducing /usr/libexec. I'll work with the submitter and case sponsor to upgrade the case accordingly. dsc From David.Comay@Sun.COM Sat Nov 3 18:02:43 2007 Received: from sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA412g9Z010007 for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 18:02:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA40x1RF001646; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 08:59:01 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JQY00E03IQC0800@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Sat, 03 Nov 2007 17:59:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from izimbra.SFBay.Sun.COM ([129.146.226.141]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JQY003QKIQBQ5B0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Sat, 03 Nov 2007 17:58:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by izimbra.SFBay.Sun.COM (8.14.1+Sun/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA40wxvS003850; Sat, 03 Nov 2007 17:58:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 17:58:58 -0700 (PDT) From: David.Comay@Sun.COM Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <472c50fd.uZBr8Rf1JLlTp4YW%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Sender: comay@izimbra.sfbay.sun.com To: Joerg Schilling Cc: John.Plocher@Sun.COM, PSARC-ext@Sun.COM, gdamore@Sun.COM, don.cragun@Sun.COM, Craig.Mohrman@Sun.COM Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <200711020417.lA24HhkS003916@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <472AA7DE.1050009@sun.com> <472B7557.7050607@Sun.Com> <472c50fd.uZBr8Rf1JLlTp4YW%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Status: RO Content-Length: 532 Joerg, > At least after GNU tar is moved to /usr/bin/ it seems to be important that > either a newer version is used _and_ the comnpilation is done in a way that > tells GNU tar to default to the POSIX.1-1988 tar archive format or that the man > mage gets a big warning that GNU tar by default creates non-standard archives > that cannot be read by vanilla tar programs. I could understand placing such a warning if GNU tar was replacing the existing implementation under /usr/bin but this case doesn't propose such a thing. dsc From Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de Sun Nov 4 03:08:01 2007 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA4B802h017599 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 03:08:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA4B4GaE025803; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 11:04:19 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JQZ00B03AR56600@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 04:04:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from sca-ea-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.43.24]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JQZ009Q5AR41310@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 04:04:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay25.sun.com (relay21.sun.com [192.12.251.14] (may be forged)) by sca-ea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lA4AtWEN005647; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 11:04:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mms22es.sun.com ([150.143.232.34] [150.143.232.34]) by relay25i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-113035; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 11:04:16 +0000 (Z) Received: from relay22.sun.com (relay22.sun.com [192.12.251.34]) by mms22es.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-55651; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 11:04:15 +0000 (Z) Received: from mailgw11.fraunhofer.de ([153.96.1.23] [153.96.1.23]) by relay22i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-3046406; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 11:04:14 +0000 (Z) Received: from mailgw11.fraunhofer.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw11.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lA4B4Dhe027272; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 12:04:13 +0100 (MET) Received: from pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de [195.37.77.164]) by mailgw11.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lA4B4BXk027215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 04 Nov 2007 12:04:12 +0100 (MET) Received: from EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de (bohr [10.147.9.231]) by pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (8.13.7/8.13.7) with SMTP id lA4B3wRr020214; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 12:03:58 +0100 (MET) Received: from burner ([10.147.65.166]) by EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 04 Nov 2007 12:03:58 +0100 Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 12:03:23 +0100 From: Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: To: David.Comay@sun.com Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, John.Plocher@sun.com, gdamore@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com Message-id: <472da6fb.H23ABUCvCDT5Lgrt%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Fraunhofer-Email-Policy: accepted References: <200711020417.lA24HhkS003916@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <472AA7DE.1050009@sun.com> <472B7557.7050607@Sun.Com> <472c50fd.uZBr8Rf1JLlTp4YW%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> User-Agent: nail 11.22 3/20/05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Nov 2007 11:03:58.0541 (UTC) FILETIME=[66202FD0:01C81ED2] Status: RO Content-Length: 1185 David.Comay@Sun.COM wrote: > Joerg, > > > At least after GNU tar is moved to /usr/bin/ it seems to be important that > > either a newer version is used _and_ the comnpilation is done in a way that > > tells GNU tar to default to the POSIX.1-1988 tar archive format or that the man > > mage gets a big warning that GNU tar by default creates non-standard archives > > that cannot be read by vanilla tar programs. > > I could understand placing such a warning if GNU tar was replacing the > existing implementation under /usr/bin but this case doesn't propose > such a thing. Looks like you missunderstood the current plans: They allow people to set up an environment that looks as if GNU tar replaced the standard tar. If someone set's up such an environment, he could claim that an archive that has been created with "tar" on Solaris cannot be read back on Solaris by other people. Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From casper@holland.sun.com Sun Nov 4 03:19:44 2007 Received: from sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA4BJhWH017653 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 03:19:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA4BFxrI024981; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 19:16:03 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JQZ00301BAQ4200@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 03:16:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from dm-holland-02.uk.sun.com ([129.156.101.225]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JQZ000UWBAOT760@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 03:16:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from holland (casper@room101.Holland.Sun.COM [129.159.130.93]) by dm-holland-02.uk.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA4BFphW018511; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 11:15:51 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 12:15:51 +0100 From: Casper.Dik@sun.com Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <472da6fb.H23ABUCvCDT5Lgrt%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Sender: casper@holland.sun.com To: Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Cc: David.Comay@sun.com, PSARC-ext@sun.com, John.Plocher@sun.com, gdamore@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com Message-id: <200711041115.lA4BFphW018511@dm-holland-02.uk.sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <200711020417.lA24HhkS003916@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <472AA7DE.1050009@sun.com> <472B7557.7050607@Sun.Com> <472c50fd.uZBr8Rf1JLlTp4YW%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <472da6fb.H23ABUCvCDT5Lgrt%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Status: RO Content-Length: 399 >They allow people to set up an environment that looks as if GNU tar replaced >the standard tar. If someone set's up such an environment, he could claim that >an archive that has been created with "tar" on Solaris cannot be read back on >Solaris by other people. It's the default user environment in the Indiana release. (which means it cannot unpack certain Sun created tar archives) Casper From Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de Sun Nov 4 11:21:21 2007 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA4JLKJw021956 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 11:21:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA4JHbpj028884; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 19:17:37 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JQZ00801XLDHQ00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 12:17:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from sca-ea-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.43.25]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JQZ006LHXLCS490@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 12:17:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay22.sun.com (relay22.sun.com [192.12.251.34] (may be forged)) by sca-ea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lA4JFxqn015899; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 19:17:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mms25es.sun.com ([150.143.232.94] [150.143.232.94]) by relay22i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-164423; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 19:17:35 +0000 (Z) Received: from relay21.sun.com (relay21.sun.com [192.12.251.24]) by mms25es.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-1197354; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 19:17:34 +0000 (Z) Received: from mailgw2.fraunhofer.de ([153.96.1.19] [153.96.1.19]) by relay21i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-6402; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 19:17:34 +0000 (Z) Received: from mailgw2.fraunhofer.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw2.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lA4JHWqm000973; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 20:17:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de [195.37.77.164]) by mailgw2.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lA4JH86I029465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 04 Nov 2007 20:17:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de (bohr [10.147.9.231]) by pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (8.13.7/8.13.7) with SMTP id lA4JH7rd020547; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 20:17:07 +0100 (MET) Received: from burner ([10.147.65.166]) by EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 04 Nov 2007 20:17:07 +0100 Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 20:16:32 +0100 From: Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <200711041115.lA4BFphW018511@dm-holland-02.uk.sun.com> To: Casper.Dik@sun.com Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, John.Plocher@sun.com, gdamore@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com, David.Comay@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com Message-id: <472e1a90.r/9hd80XnOd8rYzy%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Fraunhofer-Email-Policy: accepted References: <200711020417.lA24HhkS003916@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <472AA7DE.1050009@sun.com> <472B7557.7050607@Sun.Com> <472c50fd.uZBr8Rf1JLlTp4YW%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <472da6fb.H23ABUCvCDT5Lgrt%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <200711041115.lA4BFphW018511@dm-holland-02.uk.sun.com> User-Agent: nail 11.22 3/20/05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Nov 2007 19:17:07.0706 (UTC) FILETIME=[4AA475A0:01C81F17] Status: RO Content-Length: 1393 Casper.Dik@Sun.COM wrote: > > >They allow people to set up an environment that looks as if GNU tar replaced > >the standard tar. If someone set's up such an environment, he could claim that > >an archive that has been created with "tar" on Solaris cannot be read back on > >Solaris by other people. > > > It's the default user environment in the Indiana release. > > (which means it cannot unpack certain Sun created tar archives) Could you please elaborate? I did not yet have the time to test the preview but if the default user setup creates a non-UNIX environment, this would be a really bad idea. Regarding tar compatibility... Did you understand why I am talking about tarcompatibility often? Unfortunately, Sun tar definitely creates similar problems as GNU tar. Sun tar may create archives with vendor uniqie extensions that make it hard to unpack with other standard tar archivers. It would be great if Sun is finally ready for a useful discussion on tar and if people understand that all tar reated PSARC cases from the last 2 years did harm the tar compatibility of Solaris. Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From don.cragun@sun.com Tue Nov 6 11:39:46 2007 Received: from sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA6JdekI021030 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 11:39:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA6JZDAT014032; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 03:35:19 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JR300409NQKYM00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 11:35:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM ([129.146.226.64]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JR300IPVNQKWDD0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 11:35:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM (spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.226.64]) by spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6) with SMTP id lA6JZ84e022328; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 11:35:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 11:35:08 -0800 (PST) From: Don Cragun Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] To: PSARC-ext@sun.com Cc: Craig.Mohrman@sun.com, David.Comay@sun.com Reply-to: Don Cragun Message-id: <200711061935.lA6JZ84e022328@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.5.5 SunOS 5.9 sun4u sparc Content-type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-MD5: HElQX4GMWSkB0zy6PqvDCQ== X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 Status: RO Content-Length: 821 The project team has made minor updates to the proposal to address concerns raised by Darren, Garrett, and internal project team members. (GNU rmt will move from /usr/sfw/libexec/grmt to /usr/lib/grmt instead of /usr/libexec/rmt, man page links will be placed in /usr/gnu/share/man instead of /usr/gnu/man, localized message files will move from /usr/sfw/lib/locale to /usr/share/locale instead of /usr/lib/locale, and /usr/sfw/share/info/tar.info moves to /usr/share/info/gtar.info instead of /usr/share/info/tar.info.) The original proposal is in the case directory as the file "proposal.orig" and the diffmarked, updated proposal is in the case directory as the file "proposal". The project team is still looking at possible changes to gtar.info to make it clearer that there are multiple versions of tar. - Don From Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de Tue Nov 6 11:48:44 2007 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA6Jmh7K021569 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 11:48:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA6JiNKQ012109; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:45:00 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JR300F0PO6T4100@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 12:44:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from sca-ea-mail-3.sun.com ([192.18.43.21]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JR3006M2O6S8T70@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 12:44:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay14i.sun.com (ip124.net129179-4.block1.us.syntegra.com [129.179.4.124]) by sca-ea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lA6JipqL021163; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:44:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mmp13es.sun.com ([160.41.209.23] [160.41.209.23]) by relay14i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-22245; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:44:51 +0000 (Z) Received: from relay15i.sun.com (relay15i.sun.com [129.179.4.125]) by mmp13es.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-77486; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:44:50 +0000 (Z) Received: from mailgw10.fraunhofer.de ([153.96.1.22] [153.96.1.22]) by relay1i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-66321; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:44:45 +0000 (Z) Received: from mailgw10.fraunhofer.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw10.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lA6Jihls026687; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:44:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de [195.37.77.164]) by mailgw10.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lA6JidpF026603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:44:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de (bohr [10.147.9.231]) by pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (8.13.7/8.13.7) with SMTP id lA6JiV6X014597; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:44:31 +0100 (MET) Received: from burner ([10.147.65.166]) by EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:44:31 +0100 Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:43:53 +0100 From: Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <200711061935.lA6JZ84e022328@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> To: PSARC-ext@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com Cc: Craig.Mohrman@sun.com Message-id: <4730c3f9.yrGYeGk7u9fMJeiQ%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Fraunhofer-Email-Policy: accepted References: <200711061935.lA6JZ84e022328@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> User-Agent: nail 11.22 3/20/05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Nov 2007 19:44:31.0282 (UTC) FILETIME=[731DC120:01C820AD] Status: RO Content-Length: 806 Don Cragun wrote: > The project team has made minor updates to the proposal to address > concerns raised by Darren, Garrett, and internal project team members. > (GNU rmt will move from /usr/sfw/libexec/grmt to /usr/lib/grmt instead > of /usr/libexec/rmt, man page links will be placed in As I mentioned already, grmt is not needed as the rmt program from star is replacing /etc/rmt ans this rmt implementation is a true superset of the functionality of all known rmt implementation. Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From don.cragun@sun.com Tue Nov 6 12:02:31 2007 Received: from sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA6K2Paw022519 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 12:02:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA6JuMCN020993; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 03:57:51 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JR300701OS65Z00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 11:57:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM ([129.146.226.64]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JR3006JVOS53N30@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 11:57:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM (spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.226.64]) by spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6) with SMTP id lA6JvfAO022809; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 11:57:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 11:57:41 -0800 (PST) From: Don Cragun Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] To: PSARC-ext@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com, Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de Cc: Craig.Mohrman@sun.com Reply-to: Don Cragun Message-id: <200711061957.lA6JvfAO022809@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.5.5 SunOS 5.9 sun4u sparc Content-type: TEXT/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-MD5: /hh/P1Az5udo2zu+WTrDJg== X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by sac.sfbay.sun.com id lA6K2Paw022519 Status: RO Content-Length: 934 >Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:43:53 +0100 >From: Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) > >Don Cragun wrote: > >> The project team has made minor updates to the proposal to address >> concerns raised by Darren, Garrett, and internal project team members. >> (GNU rmt will move from /usr/sfw/libexec/grmt to /usr/lib/grmt instead >> of /usr/libexec/rmt, man page links will be placed in > >As I mentioned already, grmt is not needed as the rmt program from star >is replacing /etc/rmt ans this rmt implementation is a true superset of the >functionality of all known rmt implementation. And, has already been pointed out, star has been in the process of replacing stuff for well over three years. When you integrate star into a Solaris gate, then we can consider dropping support for grmt; until then, your proposed replacement for /etc/rmt is not an actual replacement for grmt. - Don > >Jörg From carlsonj@phorcys.east.sun.com Tue Nov 6 12:29:41 2007 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA6KTfxf022986 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 12:29:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA6KPwSQ020704; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 12:26:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JR300707Q3C5N00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 12:26:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com ([129.148.174.143]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JR30055WQ3B4530@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 12:26:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.1+Sun/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA6KHpaj028243; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:17:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from carlsonj@localhost) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.1+Sun/8.14.1/Submit) id lA6KHisN028236; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:17:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:17:44 -0500 From: James Carlson Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <4730c3f9.yrGYeGk7u9fMJeiQ%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> To: Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com Message-id: <18224.52200.622566.948472@gargle.gargle.HOWL> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VM 7.01 under Emacs 21.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <200711061935.lA6JZ84e022328@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> <4730c3f9.yrGYeGk7u9fMJeiQ%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Status: RO Content-Length: 2016 Joerg Schilling writes: > Don Cragun wrote: > > > The project team has made minor updates to the proposal to address > > concerns raised by Darren, Garrett, and internal project team members. > > (GNU rmt will move from /usr/sfw/libexec/grmt to /usr/lib/grmt instead > > of /usr/libexec/rmt, man page links will be placed in > > As I mentioned already, grmt is not needed as the rmt program from star > is replacing /etc/rmt ans this rmt implementation is a true superset of the > functionality of all known rmt implementation. I've taken a look at the GNU tar documentation, and unless I'm misunderstanding this, it looks like this issue has gotten pretty confused, and it seems that we need some technical input from the project team. First of all, there doesn't appear to be a GNU variant of "rmt." Instead, GNU tar comes with a copy of the original BSD rmt, just as we already have. Secondly, as there doesn't appear to be a variant here, issues about replacing it or preserving the GNU-ness seem to be misplaced. We should just discard it as unnecessary. The *one* important issue is the one we've actually trampled into the ground, and that's the issue about the location. According to the GNU documentation, /usr/libexec/rmt isn't negotiable. My guess would be (and I haven't looked at the sources) that they try /usr/libexec/rmt first and then historical /etc/rmt when invoking it. On that theory (project team: please verify), both delivering as /usr/libexec/grmt and as /usr/lib/grmt are wrong, because nothing will look there for this helper binary. It won't be compatible, because the path is effectively part of the wire protocol. If that's correct, then we should either deliver /usr/libexec/rmt as a symlink or (perhaps better yet) do nothing. -- James Carlson, Solaris Networking Sun Microsystems / 35 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677 From Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de Tue Nov 6 12:52:51 2007 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA6KqpL3024116 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 12:52:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA6Kn9au021018; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 13:49:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JR300F0HR5XBM00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 12:49:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.98.43]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JR300B3YR5V1710@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 12:49:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay23.sun.com (relay23.sun.com [192.12.251.54] (may be forged)) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lA6Ki6Tj001055; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:49:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mms25es.sun.com ([150.143.232.94] [150.143.232.94]) by relay23i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-52631; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:49:06 +0000 (Z) Received: from relay23.sun.com (relay23.sun.com [192.12.251.54]) by mms25es.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-1355430; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:49:06 +0000 (Z) Received: from mailgw2.fraunhofer.de ([153.96.1.19] [153.96.1.19]) by relay23i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-685273; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:49:05 +0000 (Z) Received: from mailgw2.fraunhofer.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw2.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lA6Kn5CH019339; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:49:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de [195.37.77.164]) by mailgw2.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lA6Kn4oc019237 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:49:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de (bohr [10.147.9.231]) by pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (8.13.7/8.13.7) with SMTP id lA6Kn0Pf021188; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:49:00 +0100 (MET) Received: from burner ([10.147.65.166]) by EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:49:00 +0100 Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:48:23 +0100 From: Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <200711061957.lA6JvfAO022809@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> To: PSARC-ext@Sun.COM, don.cragun@Sun.COM Cc: Craig.Mohrman@Sun.COM Message-id: <4730d317.HedXPInlBcSZYWgw%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Fraunhofer-Email-Policy: accepted References: <200711061957.lA6JvfAO022809@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> User-Agent: nail 11.22 3/20/05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Nov 2007 20:49:00.0817 (UTC) FILETIME=[7589F010:01C820B6] Status: RO Content-Length: 1580 Don Cragun wrote: > >Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:43:53 +0100 > >From: Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) > > > >Don Cragun wrote: > > > >> The project team has made minor updates to the proposal to address > >> concerns raised by Darren, Garrett, and internal project team members. > >> (GNU rmt will move from /usr/sfw/libexec/grmt to /usr/lib/grmt instead > >> of /usr/libexec/rmt, man page links will be placed in > > > >As I mentioned already, grmt is not needed as the rmt program from star > >is replacing /etc/rmt ans this rmt implementation is a true superset of the > >functionality of all known rmt implementation. > > And, has already been pointed out, star has been in the process of > replacing stuff for well over three years. When you integrate star > into a Solaris gate, then we can consider dropping support for grmt; > until then, your proposed replacement for /etc/rmt is not an actual > replacement for grmt. Is there a chance that you come to reality? The case PSARC/2004/480 has not been made for fun but because there is a _need_ to integrate star into Solaris. The people who are currently working on the GNU tar could e.g. do the more important tasks first and make PSARC/2004/480 reality. Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de Tue Nov 6 13:13:14 2007 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA6LDEgQ025049 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 13:13:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA6L9WG3028393; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:09:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JR300L03S3VM300@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:09:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.98.31]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JR30065GS3V95A0@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:09:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay17i.sun.com (ip127.net129179-4.block1.us.syntegra.com [129.179.4.127]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lA6L9ULu019349; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:09:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mmp13es.sun.com ([160.41.209.23] [160.41.209.23]) by relay17i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-27298; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:09:30 +0000 (Z) Received: from relay16i.sun.com (relay16i.sun.com [129.179.4.126]) by mmp13es.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-765; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:09:30 +0000 (Z) Received: from mailgw10.fraunhofer.de ([153.96.1.22] [153.96.1.22]) by relay1i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-72174; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:09:29 +0000 (Z) Received: from mailgw10.fraunhofer.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw10.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lA6L9Sqr022902; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:09:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de [195.37.77.164]) by mailgw10.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lA6L9R8V022877 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:09:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de (bohr [10.147.9.231]) by pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (8.13.7/8.13.7) with SMTP id lA6L5IeJ021790; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:05:19 +0100 (MET) Received: from burner ([10.147.65.166]) by EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:05:18 +0100 Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:04:41 +0100 From: Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <18224.52200.622566.948472@gargle.gargle.HOWL> To: james.d.carlson@sun.com Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com Message-id: <4730d6e9.VPrVXI2oKu6mxvex%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Fraunhofer-Email-Policy: accepted References: <200711061935.lA6JZ84e022328@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> <4730c3f9.yrGYeGk7u9fMJeiQ%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <18224.52200.622566.948472@gargle.gargle.HOWL> User-Agent: nail 11.22 3/20/05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Nov 2007 21:05:18.0820 (UTC) FILETIME=[BC795A40:01C820B8] Status: RO Content-Length: 2436 James Carlson wrote: > Joerg Schilling writes: > > Don Cragun wrote: > > > > > The project team has made minor updates to the proposal to address > > > concerns raised by Darren, Garrett, and internal project team members. > > > (GNU rmt will move from /usr/sfw/libexec/grmt to /usr/lib/grmt instead > > > of /usr/libexec/rmt, man page links will be placed in > > > > As I mentioned already, grmt is not needed as the rmt program from star > > is replacing /etc/rmt ans this rmt implementation is a true superset of the > > functionality of all known rmt implementation. > > I've taken a look at the GNU tar documentation, and unless I'm > misunderstanding this, it looks like this issue has gotten pretty > confused, and it seems that we need some technical input from the > project team. > > First of all, there doesn't appear to be a GNU variant of "rmt." > Instead, GNU tar comes with a copy of the original BSD rmt, just as we > already have. PSARC/2004/480 has not been done for fun but because Solaris urgently _needs_ the code from star for compatibility. Your claim is wrong in two ways: - GNU tar does _not_ come with a copy of the original BSD rmt. It comes with some important extensions that give better compatibility. Well, it is based on the original 1981 rmt source from BSD... but this does not mean anything. - Solaris /etc/rmt is not even truely _based_ on the original BSD rmt. It has been written at UCB for Sun but it behaves different. Sun rmt implements some other addidions that give better compatibility and it implements it's code dual-threaded which makes it ~ 30% slower than the star implementation. Star's "rmt" implements all additions from all known rmt implementations and it implements own additions that give further enhanced compatibolity. Star's rmt in addition implements: - IPv6 support - ssh support - better and configurable security. Star's "rmt" server is the only rmt server that nicely plays with all rmt clients. It makes no sense to add just another rmt implementation that inly gives very limited compatibility. Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From peter.tribble@gmail.com Tue Nov 6 13:19:28 2007 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA6LJSXr025152 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 13:19:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA6LFj0V031307 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:15:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JR300M03SEB3O00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:15:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from sca-ea-mail-3.sun.com ([192.18.43.21]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JR3006GCSEB93A0@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:15:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay41i.sun.com ([192.5.209.70]) by sca-ea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lA6LBBVF023690 for ; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:15:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mms48es.sun.com ([160.41.221.231] [160.41.221.231]) by relay41i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-43828 for PSARC-ext@sun.com; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:15:46 +0000 (Z) Received: from relay42i.sun.com ([192.5.209.72] [192.5.209.72]) by mms48es.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-2589352 for PSARC-ext@sun.com; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:15:46 +0000 (Z) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.238] [64.233.184.238]) by relay4i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-375149 for PSARC-ext@sun.com; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:15:46 +0000 (Z) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c48so199398wra for ; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 13:15:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.229.4 with SMTP id b4mr1868291wfh.1194383744450; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 13:15:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.223.15 with HTTP; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 13:15:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:15:44 +0000 From: Peter Tribble Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <18224.52200.622566.948472@gargle.gargle.HOWL> To: James Carlson Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Mjh/e2JgCyEJnz1yV/E5dlNrlMlcbdwbu68SjwlWc+o=; b=A8WQVzBMUOjwF3pxSlRK378uTC9BuDq0+mmEEv8lNCtwOOqry9oA5OebjK4N8b9YkabEVtvrCUhZ67EtoVLGJI5i9CqyJaY2KxBw7vBKxzyVWhTdbEOypHlsayoZqlkEFopnylqmqJU1EBK2v8eHOI11chYCRENYnUVZS5Hrv1A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=bFTJQHt+PDk9aoYkF3/I28/ipfZC+9mXbzLj8WbNTghptHGLIXmsEfXJXJZGZ4W+33g3kZJ6K8hqYVEAoWqVG2QYEaBBnC+g9d4EhGug337sv9JfvWXfbnPHYUzJrcjLou8CNPRV2fp3ru1DVdZ7Tz9YQn8QN02NxTsha0fIbpo= X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== References: <200711061935.lA6JZ84e022328@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> <4730c3f9.yrGYeGk7u9fMJeiQ%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <18224.52200.622566.948472@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Status: RO Content-Length: 2132 On Nov 6, 2007 8:17 PM, James Carlson wrote: > > The *one* important issue is the one we've actually trampled into the > ground, and that's the issue about the location. According to the > GNU documentation, /usr/libexec/rmt isn't negotiable. My guess would > be (and I haven't looked at the sources) that they try > /usr/libexec/rmt first and then historical /etc/rmt when invoking it. My experience is that they try just the first compiled in path. > On that theory (project team: please verify), both delivering as > /usr/libexec/grmt and as /usr/lib/grmt are wrong, because nothing will > look there for this helper binary. It won't be compatible, because > the path is effectively part of the wire protocol. Not entirely. The client gtar will look for rmt on the remote machine vaia a path that it thinks is sensible. For example, /usr/sfw/bin/gtar expects to find /usr/sfw/libexec/rmt on the remote machine. So provided that the path where rmt lives and the path compiled into gtar match, everything is fine. Which all breaks down in a heterogeneous environment. Two different machines may have different ideas where rmt lives. > If that's correct, then we should either deliver /usr/libexec/rmt as a > symlink or (perhaps better yet) do nothing. It depends which gtar we're trying to match the behaviour of. If we want to interoperate with Solaris 10 clients, then we need to deliver /usr/sfw/libexec/rmt. If we want to interoperate with gtar from another OS, then we need to deliver rmt where that OS expects to find it. If we want to interoperate with the gtar covered by this case, then we need to be sure that we either configure it to look for /etc/rmt or have a copy of rmt where we're going to look for it. It goes the other way. If we expect users to use gtar to talk to rmt on remote systems, then we should choose an rmt location that's going to exist on other systems. I don't have access to any other systems, but it might be sensible to make a survey of where other platforms place their rmt. -- -Peter Tribble http://www.petertribble.co.uk/ - http://ptribble.blogspot.com/ From bart.smaalders@sun.com Tue Nov 6 13:35:36 2007 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA6LZZca025402 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 13:35:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA6LViBZ025814; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 21:31:53 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JR30093BT4YZG00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 13:31:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from zion.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.17.75]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JR3005QLT4X4970@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 13:31:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from [129.146.228.109] (cyber.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.228.109]) by zion.sfbay.sun.com (8.14.1+Sun/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA6LOF6V675019; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:24:15 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 13:20:26 -0800 From: Bart Smaalders Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <4730d317.HedXPInlBcSZYWgw%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> To: Joerg Schilling Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com Message-id: <4730DA9A.70809@Sun.COM> Organization: Sun Microsystems MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <200711061957.lA6JvfAO022809@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> <4730d317.HedXPInlBcSZYWgw%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (X11/20070723) Status: RO Content-Length: 1592 Joerg Schilling wrote: > Don Cragun wrote: > >>> Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:43:53 +0100 >>> From: Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) >>> >>> Don Cragun wrote: >>> >>>> The project team has made minor updates to the proposal to address >>>> concerns raised by Darren, Garrett, and internal project team members. >>>> (GNU rmt will move from /usr/sfw/libexec/grmt to /usr/lib/grmt instead >>>> of /usr/libexec/rmt, man page links will be placed in >>> As I mentioned already, grmt is not needed as the rmt program from star >>> is replacing /etc/rmt ans this rmt implementation is a true superset of the >>> functionality of all known rmt implementation. >> And, has already been pointed out, star has been in the process of >> replacing stuff for well over three years. When you integrate star >> into a Solaris gate, then we can consider dropping support for grmt; >> until then, your proposed replacement for /etc/rmt is not an actual >> replacement for grmt. > > Is there a chance that you come to reality? > > The case PSARC/2004/480 has not been made for fun but because there is a _need_ > to integrate star into Solaris. > > The people who are currently working on the GNU tar could e.g. do the more > important tasks first and make PSARC/2004/480 reality. > > Jörg > Jörg - Could you do this yourself? If you're too busy, imagine that others are too. Whatever you do, please stop going on about star. - Bart -- Bart Smaalders Solaris Kernel Performance barts@cyber.eng.sun.com http://blogs.sun.com/barts From casper@holland.sun.com Tue Nov 6 13:37:39 2007 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA6Lbcc1025441 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 13:37:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA6LXhQh026382 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-EXT@Sun.COM>; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 21:33:58 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JR300A0NT8F2S00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-EXT@Sun.COM (ORCPT PSARC-EXT@Sun.COM); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 13:33:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from dm-holland-02.uk.sun.com ([129.156.101.225]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JR30052PT8E4670@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-EXT@Sun.COM (ORCPT PSARC-EXT@Sun.COM); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 13:33:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from holland (casper@room101.Holland.Sun.COM [129.159.130.93]) by dm-holland-02.uk.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA6LXggO016644; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:33:42 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:33:42 +0100 From: Casper.Dik@sun.com Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <4730d6e9.VPrVXI2oKu6mxvex%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Sender: casper@holland.sun.com To: Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Cc: James.D.Carlson@sun.com, PSARC-EXT@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com Message-id: <200711062133.lA6LXggO016644@dm-holland-02.uk.sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <200711061935.lA6JZ84e022328@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> <4730c3f9.yrGYeGk7u9fMJeiQ%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <18224.52200.622566.948472@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <4730d6e9.VPrVXI2oKu6mxvex%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Status: RO Content-Length: 394 > >PSARC/2004/480 has not been done for fun but because Solaris urgently >_needs_ the code from star for compatibility. Joerg, either do the work to integrate star or stop complaining it isn't integrated. With doing the work I mean: - do the work upto the point that it you or someone else can do a commit/putback. Expecting other people to do that work is beyond reason. Casper From jek3@Sun.COM Tue Nov 6 14:10:51 2007 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA6MApdw026932 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:10:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA6M79vs000043; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:07:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JR30020PURWVC00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:07:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.17.63]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JR3006GBURW95D0@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:07:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from [129.150.12.137] (vpn-129-150-12-137.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.150.12.137]) by jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com (8.14.1+Sun/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA6M77OA511473; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:07:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 12:06:49 -1000 From: Joseph Kowalski Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <4730d317.HedXPInlBcSZYWgw%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> To: Joerg Schilling Cc: PSARC-ext@Sun.COM, don.cragun@Sun.COM, Craig.Mohrman@Sun.COM Message-id: <4730E579.1080008@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <200711061957.lA6JvfAO022809@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> <4730d317.HedXPInlBcSZYWgw%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0b2 (X11/20070227) Status: RO Content-Length: 838 Joerg Schilling wrote: > Is there a chance that you come to reality? > > The case PSARC/2004/480 has not been made for fun but because there is a _need_ > to integrate star into Solaris. > Reality is that *you* need to drive star integration. I tried. You want to integrate a star which provides interfaces beyond those in 2004/480. I tried several times to get you to provide a new case, which adds the new interfaces and then depends upon 480. I tried for a couple of weeks and could not get you to write a declarative document. Eventually, I lost interest. I understand that you had trouble getting a sponsor. Until the specification is produced, that is irrelevant. If this is important to you, then make it be so. If you are more interested with casting aspersions on others to cover you failings, please stop. - jek3 From Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de Tue Nov 6 14:14:39 2007 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA6MEcrv026967 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:14:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA6MArhd010712; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 22:10:55 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JR30030DUY16700@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:10:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com ([192.18.98.36]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JR3006EFUY090E0@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:10:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay15i.sun.com (ip125.net129179-4.block1.us.syntegra.com [129.179.4.125]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lA6MA6UF012382; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:10:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mmp13es.sun.com ([160.41.209.23] [160.41.209.23]) by relay15i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-26666; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:10:48 +0000 (Z) Received: from relay12i.sun.com (relay12i.sun.com [129.179.4.122]) by mmp13es.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-13169; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:10:47 +0000 (Z) Received: from mailgwb1.fraunhofer.de ([153.96.87.18] [153.96.87.18]) by relay1i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-76948; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:10:15 +0000 (Z) Received: from mailgwb1.fraunhofer.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgwb1.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lA6MA6wJ023891; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:10:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de [195.37.77.164]) by mailgwb1.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lA6M9tdI023122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:09:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de (bohr [10.147.9.231]) by pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (8.13.7/8.13.7) with SMTP id lA6M9tdG024876; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:09:55 +0100 (MET) Received: from burner ([10.147.65.166]) by EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:09:54 +0100 Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:09:17 +0100 From: Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <4730DA9A.70809@Sun.COM> To: bart.smaalders@sun.com Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com Message-id: <4730e60d.fdfjPeY5zH10Dua5%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Fraunhofer-Email-Policy: accepted References: <200711061957.lA6JvfAO022809@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> <4730d317.HedXPInlBcSZYWgw%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4730DA9A.70809@Sun.COM> User-Agent: nail 11.22 3/20/05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Nov 2007 22:09:54.0986 (UTC) FILETIME=[C2D958A0:01C820C1] Status: RO Content-Length: 1003 Bart Smaalders wrote: > > The case PSARC/2004/480 has not been made for fun but because there is a _need_ > > to integrate star into Solaris. > > > > The people who are currently working on the GNU tar could e.g. do the more > > important tasks first and make PSARC/2004/480 reality. > > > > Jörg > > > > Jörg - > > Could you do this yourself? If you're too busy, imagine that others are > too. Whatever you do, please stop going on about star. Bart, I need help with the makefiles and other Sun specific parts. Star itself is ready for the task. Note that I am even willing to help modifying ufsdump to use the librmt client code later - first we need the code in... Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de Tue Nov 6 14:14:58 2007 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA6MEvnv026984 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:14:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA6MBCDm010887; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 22:11:13 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JR300B05UYOR400@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:11:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from sca-ea-mail-3.sun.com ([192.18.43.21]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JR300523UYM4BA0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:11:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay23.sun.com (relay23.sun.com [192.12.251.54] (may be forged)) by sca-ea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lA6LDPg0024358; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:11:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mms25es.sun.com ([150.143.232.94] [150.143.232.94]) by relay23i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-65377; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:11:09 +0000 (Z) Received: from relay22.sun.com (relay22.sun.com [192.12.251.34]) by mms25es.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-1497845; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:11:09 +0000 (Z) Received: from mailgwb1.fraunhofer.de ([153.96.87.18] [153.96.87.18]) by relay22i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-839637; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:11:08 +0000 (Z) Received: from mailgwb1.fraunhofer.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgwb1.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lA6MB7pN026945; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:11:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de [195.37.77.164]) by mailgwb1.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lA6MB6nY026912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:11:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de (bohr [10.147.9.231]) by pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (8.13.7/8.13.7) with SMTP id lA6MB6Dc024947; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:11:06 +0100 (MET) Received: from burner ([10.147.65.166]) by EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:11:06 +0100 Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:10:28 +0100 From: Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <200711062133.lA6LXggO016644@dm-holland-02.uk.sun.com> To: Casper.Dik@sun.com Cc: PSARC-EXT@sun.com, James.D.Carlson@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com Message-id: <4730e654.AxWIo11AaBFQnPpW%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Fraunhofer-Email-Policy: accepted References: <200711061935.lA6JZ84e022328@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> <4730c3f9.yrGYeGk7u9fMJeiQ%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <18224.52200.622566.948472@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <4730d6e9.VPrVXI2oKu6mxvex%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <200711062133.lA6LXggO016644@dm-holland-02.uk.sun.com> User-Agent: nail 11.22 3/20/05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Nov 2007 22:11:06.0488 (UTC) FILETIME=[ED77AF80:01C820C1] Status: RO Content-Length: 887 Casper.Dik@Sun.COM wrote: > > > > > >PSARC/2004/480 has not been done for fun but because Solaris urgently > >_needs_ the code from star for compatibility. > > Joerg, either do the work to integrate star or stop complaining it isn't > integrated. > > With doing the work I mean: > > - do the work upto the point that it you or someone else can do > a commit/putback. > > > Expecting other people to do that work is beyond reason. I read this frequently but people who write this forget that star itself is ready since some time. I am just waiting for help with Sun specifics.... Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de Tue Nov 6 14:17:29 2007 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA6MHS12027140 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:17:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA6MDipM011811; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 22:13:45 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JR300507V2WEM00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:13:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from sca-ea-mail-3.sun.com ([192.18.43.21]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JR300BG6V2V1B50@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:13:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay15i.sun.com (ip125.net129179-4.block1.us.syntegra.com [129.179.4.125]) by sca-ea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lA6MDh3o017755; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:13:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mmp14es.sun.com ([160.41.209.24] [160.41.209.24]) by relay15i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-26735; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:13:42 +0000 (Z) Received: from relay11i.sun.com (relay11i.sun.com [129.179.4.121]) by mmp14es.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-13300; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:13:42 +0000 (Z) Received: from mailgwb1.fraunhofer.de ([153.96.87.18] [153.96.87.18]) by relay1ib.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-51021; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:13:28 +0000 (Z) Received: from mailgwb1.fraunhofer.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgwb1.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lA6MDRsp004437; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:13:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de [195.37.77.164]) by mailgwb1.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lA6MDQ3a004416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:13:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de (bohr [10.147.9.231]) by pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (8.13.7/8.13.7) with SMTP id lA6MDQYb025041; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:13:26 +0100 (MET) Received: from burner ([10.147.65.166]) by EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:13:26 +0100 Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:12:49 +0100 From: Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <4730E579.1080008@sun.com> To: jek3@sun.com Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com Message-id: <4730e6e1.LgkXdeOzjzXGDRej%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Fraunhofer-Email-Policy: accepted References: <200711061957.lA6JvfAO022809@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> <4730d317.HedXPInlBcSZYWgw%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4730E579.1080008@sun.com> User-Agent: nail 11.22 3/20/05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Nov 2007 22:13:26.0507 (UTC) FILETIME=[40ECE3B0:01C820C2] Status: RO Content-Length: 858 Joseph Kowalski wrote: > Joerg Schilling wrote: > > Is there a chance that you come to reality? > > > > The case PSARC/2004/480 has not been made for fun but because there is a _need_ > > to integrate star into Solaris. > > > Reality is that *you* need to drive star integration. > > I tried. You want to integrate a star which provides interfaces beyond > those You tried but then you told me that you lack the time for more help. Star itself is ready since about a year, I am waiting for someone to help with the Sun specific stuff. Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From bart.smaalders@Sun.COM Tue Nov 6 14:26:53 2007 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA6MQrh3027285 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:26:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA6MNDB6002677; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:23:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JR300401VIOA300@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:23:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from zion.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.17.75]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JR30065TVIO8ZF0@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:23:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from [129.146.228.109] (cyber.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.228.109]) by zion.sfbay.sun.com (8.14.1+Sun/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA6MFgPU676410; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:15:42 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:11:53 -0800 From: Bart Smaalders Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <4730e60d.fdfjPeY5zH10Dua5%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> To: Joerg Schilling Cc: PSARC-ext@Sun.COM, don.cragun@Sun.COM, Craig.Mohrman@Sun.COM Message-id: <4730E6A9.30300@Sun.COM> Organization: Sun Microsystems MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <200711061957.lA6JvfAO022809@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> <4730d317.HedXPInlBcSZYWgw%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4730DA9A.70809@Sun.COM> <4730e60d.fdfjPeY5zH10Dua5%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (X11/20070723) Status: RO Content-Length: 1044 Joerg Schilling wrote: > Bart Smaalders wrote: > >>> The case PSARC/2004/480 has not been made for fun but because there is a _need_ >>> to integrate star into Solaris. >>> >>> The people who are currently working on the GNU tar could e.g. do the more >>> important tasks first and make PSARC/2004/480 reality. >>> >>> Jörg >>> >> Jörg - >> >> Could you do this yourself? If you're too busy, imagine that others are >> too. Whatever you do, please stop going on about star. > > Bart, I need help with the makefiles and other Sun specific parts. > > Star itself is ready for the task. > > Note that I am even willing to help modifying ufsdump to use the librmt client > code later - first we need the code in... > > Jörg > I would put this into the sfw consolidation; you can deliver to whatever directories you specified in the PSARC case. In that way your makefile structure can stay the same... - Bart -- Bart Smaalders Solaris Kernel Performance barts@cyber.eng.sun.com http://blogs.sun.com/barts From jek3@sun.com Tue Nov 6 14:33:56 2007 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA6MXtlm027376 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:33:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA6MU774019370; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 22:30:12 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JR300C0BVUCLT00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:30:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.17.59]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JR3005VYVUC45A0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:30:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from [129.150.12.137] (vpn-129-150-12-137.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.150.12.137]) by jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com (8.14.1+Sun/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA6MU5Gq514909; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:30:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 12:29:46 -1000 From: Joseph Kowalski Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <4730e6e1.LgkXdeOzjzXGDRej%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> To: Joerg Schilling Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com Message-id: <4730EADA.7030905@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <200711061957.lA6JvfAO022809@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> <4730d317.HedXPInlBcSZYWgw%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4730E579.1080008@sun.com> <4730e6e1.LgkXdeOzjzXGDRej%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0b2 (X11/20070227) Status: RO Content-Length: 775 Joerg Schilling wrote: > Joseph Kowalski wrote: > > >> Joerg Schilling wrote: >> >>> Is there a chance that you come to reality? >>> >>> The case PSARC/2004/480 has not been made for fun but because there is a _need_ >>> to integrate star into Solaris. >>> >>> >> Reality is that *you* need to drive star integration. >> >> I tried. You want to integrate a star which provides interfaces beyond >> those >> > > You tried but then you told me that you lack the time for more help. > I *may* have said this about being a sponsor -- I don't exactly recall -- I suspect you might be right. There certainly was a lack of sponsors at that time. However, I never said I wouldn't sponsor the fast-track to add the new features. - jek3 From gdamore@Sun.COM Tue Nov 6 15:30:04 2007 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA6NU46A001856 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:30:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA6NQ7oi011660; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 23:26:22 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JR300F09YFT9V00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:26:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from sca-es-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.43.133]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JR3005KIYFS46D0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:26:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lA6NQG8F020415; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:26:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JR300401Y7VOF00@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> (original mail from gdamore@sun.com) ; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:26:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.251.106] ([76.174.83.55]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JR3008DAYFOX5B0@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com>; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:26:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:22:18 -0800 From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <200711062133.lA6LXggO016644@dm-holland-02.uk.sun.com> Sender: Garrett.Damore@Sun.COM To: Casper.Dik@Sun.COM Cc: Joerg Schilling , James.D.Carlson@Sun.COM, psarc-ext@Sun.COM, don.cragun@Sun.COM, Craig.Mohrman@Sun.COM Message-id: <4730F72A.1090605@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <200711061935.lA6JZ84e022328@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> <4730c3f9.yrGYeGk7u9fMJeiQ%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <18224.52200.622566.948472@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <4730d6e9.VPrVXI2oKu6mxvex%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <200711062133.lA6LXggO016644@dm-holland-02.uk.sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (X11/20070827) Status: RO Content-Length: 1509 Casper.Dik@Sun.COM wrote: > >> PSARC/2004/480 has not been done for fun but because Solaris urgently >> _needs_ the code from star for compatibility. >> > > Joerg, either do the work to integrate star or stop complaining it isn't > integrated. > > With doing the work I mean: > > - do the work upto the point that it you or someone else can do > a commit/putback. > Just so its clear, that work involves: * Any PSARC efforts (if any interfaces, including CLI options, protocols, or file formats, have changed, then an update fasttrack is probably required) * Get code reviews done (I think you need to have input from someone in Don Cragun's group here) * Get testing done. There may be compliance tests for POSIX that need to be done. Again, Don can probably help you find someone who can identify what those tests are, and either enable you to run them or have someone run them for you. * Submit a request-sponsor to find someone willing to help with the final RTI None of this is terribly difficult, *IF* there is not any technically controversial bits. I'm not sure that "IF" clause holds in your case though... I know that part of the problem is compatibility is with Sun products (which may or may not be POSIX compatible by default... that's actually irrelevant). I'm not interested in hearing the details, so don't bother responding to me directly. But I don't want you to feel like we've left you with no idea how to proceed. -- Garrett From jek3@sun.com Tue Nov 6 15:42:55 2007 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA6NgsEZ002098 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:42:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA6Nd3Np019004; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 23:39:11 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JR300A01Z1ADR00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 16:39:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.17.63]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JR30051CZ1AIE40@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 16:39:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from [129.150.12.137] (vpn-129-150-12-137.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.150.12.137]) by jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com (8.14.1+Sun/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA6Nd807527000; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:39:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 13:38:50 -1000 From: Joseph Kowalski Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <4730e60d.fdfjPeY5zH10Dua5%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> To: Joerg Schilling Cc: bart.smaalders@sun.com, PSARC-ext@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com Message-id: <4730FB0A.7050107@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <200711061957.lA6JvfAO022809@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> <4730d317.HedXPInlBcSZYWgw%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4730DA9A.70809@Sun.COM> <4730e60d.fdfjPeY5zH10Dua5%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0b2 (X11/20070227) Status: RO Content-Length: 219 Joerg Schilling wrote: > Bart, I need help with the makefiles and other Sun specific parts. > > Star itself is ready for the task. > What about the extensions beyond the currently approved case (2004/480)? - jek3 From richlowe@richlowe.net Tue Nov 6 15:59:52 2007 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA6NxpOB002809 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:59:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA6Nu97B026603 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:psarc-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 23:56:10 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JR300B01ZTLPB00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-ext@sun.com); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 16:56:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.98.43]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JR3005XAZTLID40@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-ext@sun.com); Tue, 06 Nov 2007 16:56:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay42i.sun.com ([192.5.209.72]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lA6NAPce008983 for ; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:56:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mms48es.sun.com ([160.41.221.231] [160.41.221.231]) by relay42i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-59053 for psarc-ext@sun.com; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:56:08 +0000 (Z) Received: from relay41i.sun.com ([192.5.209.70] [192.5.209.70]) by mms48es.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-2800704 for psarc-ext@sun.com; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:56:08 +0000 (Z) Received: from QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.24] [76.96.30.24]) by relay4i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-489613 for psarc-ext@sun.com; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:56:08 +0000 (Z) Received: from OMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.19]) by QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with smtp id 9Y5c1Y0060QkzPw010DK00; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:56:10 +0000 Received: from metropolis ([71.203.214.110]) by OMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9bw71Y00D2PV7Mj0000000; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:56:09 +0000 Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 18:54:58 -0500 From: Richard Lowe Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <4730EADA.7030905@sun.com> To: Joseph Kowalski Cc: Joerg Schilling , PSARC-ext@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qUkyQE1JYKPiqZNP5twA:9 a=r9vN_3NoERIqM9jOmCfvRAw2DVEA:4 a=KdsN9ty_cgEA:10 a=zUBsD6tbDSsA:10 References: <200711061957.lA6JvfAO022809@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> <4730d317.HedXPInlBcSZYWgw%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4730E579.1080008@sun.com> <4730e6e1.LgkXdeOzjzXGDRej%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4730EADA.7030905@sun.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.99 (usg-unix-v) Status: RO Content-Length: 981 Joseph Kowalski writes: > Joerg Schilling wrote: >> Joseph Kowalski wrote: >> >> >>> Joerg Schilling wrote: >>> >>>> Is there a chance that you come to reality? >>>> >>>> The case PSARC/2004/480 has not been made for fun but because there is a _need_ >>>> to integrate star into Solaris. >>>> >>>> >>> Reality is that *you* need to drive star integration. >>> >>> I tried. You want to integrate a star which provides interfaces beyond >>> those >>> >> >> You tried but then you told me that you lack the time for more help. >> > I *may* have said this about being a sponsor -- I don't exactly recall -- I > suspect you might be right. There certainly was a lack of sponsors at > that time. > > However, I never said I wouldn't sponsor the fast-track to add the new > features. This entire subthread is at best barely related with the case at hand, once again. May I suggest it move to a more appropriate list? -- Rich From gdamore@sun.com Tue Nov 6 20:45:27 2007 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA74jQ4Z009555 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 20:45:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA74fXWB029764; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 04:41:44 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JR400C01D10KJ00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:41:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from sca-es-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.43.132]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JR400359D0Z7L60@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:41:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lA74fNdt029678; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:41:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JR400K01D0TBC00@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> (original mail from gdamore@sun.com) ; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:41:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.251.106] ([76.174.83.55]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JR400ITRD0YU500@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com>; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:41:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:37:28 -0800 From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <4730EADA.7030905@sun.com> Sender: Garrett.Damore@sun.com To: Joseph Kowalski Cc: Joerg Schilling , PSARC-ext@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com Message-id: <47314108.9080107@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <200711061957.lA6JvfAO022809@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> <4730d317.HedXPInlBcSZYWgw%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4730E579.1080008@sun.com> <4730e6e1.LgkXdeOzjzXGDRej%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4730EADA.7030905@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (X11/20070827) Status: RO Content-Length: 1144 Joseph Kowalski wrote: > Joerg Schilling wrote: >> Joseph Kowalski wrote: >> >> >>> Joerg Schilling wrote: >>> >>>> Is there a chance that you come to reality? >>>> >>>> The case PSARC/2004/480 has not been made for fun but because there >>>> is a _need_ >>>> to integrate star into Solaris. >>>> >>> Reality is that *you* need to drive star integration. >>> >>> I tried. You want to integrate a star which provides interfaces >>> beyond those >>> >> >> You tried but then you told me that you lack the time for more help. >> > I *may* have said this about being a sponsor -- I don't exactly recall > -- I > suspect you might be right. There certainly was a lack of sponsors at > that time. > > However, I never said I wouldn't sponsor the fast-track to add the new > features. Joerg: Getting a fast-track sponsor for a case would be relatively trivial *if* you do the up front work to write up the draft materials. The sponsor would presumably even offer editorial advice. Of course, since you are Sun now, you could even request to become either a PSARC intern or licensee. -- Garrett From Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de Wed Nov 7 02:40:54 2007 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA7AeseV015102 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 02:40:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA7AbCUf029567; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 02:37:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JR400J0FTI0CO00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 02:37:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.98.31]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JR4004YRTHZ9AA0@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 02:37:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay16i.sun.com (ip126.net129179-4.block1.us.syntegra.com [129.179.4.126]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lA7AZK6u000574; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:37:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mmp11es.sun.com ([160.41.209.21] [160.41.209.21]) by relay16i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-47914; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:37:10 +0000 (Z) Received: from relay15i.sun.com (relay15i.sun.com [129.179.4.125]) by mmp11es.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-269519; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:37:10 +0000 (Z) Received: from mailgw2.fraunhofer.de ([153.96.1.19] [153.96.1.19]) by relay1i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-141596; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:37:10 +0000 (Z) Received: from mailgw2.fraunhofer.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw2.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lA7Ab9m1011710; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:37:09 +0100 (CET) Received: from pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de [195.37.77.164]) by mailgw2.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lA7Ab6oF011367 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:37:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de (bohr [10.147.9.231]) by pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (8.13.7/8.13.7) with SMTP id lA7AV1ZT019965; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:31:01 +0100 (MET) Received: from burner ([10.147.65.166]) by EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:31:01 +0100 Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:30:23 +0100 From: Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <4730EADA.7030905@sun.com> To: jek3@sun.com Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com Message-id: <473193bf.f8tWumjQFR0ghHt0%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Fraunhofer-Email-Policy: accepted References: <200711061957.lA6JvfAO022809@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> <4730d317.HedXPInlBcSZYWgw%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4730E579.1080008@sun.com> <4730e6e1.LgkXdeOzjzXGDRej%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4730EADA.7030905@sun.com> User-Agent: nail 11.22 3/20/05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2007 10:31:01.0569 (UTC) FILETIME=[4AFF7310:01C82129] Status: RO Content-Length: 1198 Joseph Kowalski wrote: > Joerg Schilling wrote: > > Joseph Kowalski wrote: > > > > > >> Joerg Schilling wrote: > >> > >>> Is there a chance that you come to reality? > >>> > >>> The case PSARC/2004/480 has not been made for fun but because there is a _need_ > >>> to integrate star into Solaris. > >>> > >>> > >> Reality is that *you* need to drive star integration. > >> > >> I tried. You want to integrate a star which provides interfaces beyond > >> those > >> > > > > You tried but then you told me that you lack the time for more help. > > > I *may* have said this about being a sponsor -- I don't exactly recall -- I > suspect you might be right. There certainly was a lack of sponsors at > that time. > > However, I never said I wouldn't sponsor the fast-track to add the new > features. I thought that we first need to get it in. Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de Wed Nov 7 02:47:46 2007 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA7Aljm1015141 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 02:47:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA7AhujX024647; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:44:00 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JR400J01TT9DY00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 03:43:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com ([192.18.98.36]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JR400G0GTT8SOA0@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 03:43:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay41i.sun.com ([192.5.209.70]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lA7AhukZ015754; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:43:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mms48es.sun.com ([160.41.221.231] [160.41.221.231]) by relay41i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-109222; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:43:55 +0000 (Z) Received: from relay41i.sun.com ([192.5.209.70] [192.5.209.70]) by mms48es.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-3475108; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:43:55 +0000 (Z) Received: from mailgw2.fraunhofer.de ([153.96.1.19] [153.96.1.19]) by relay4i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-871398; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:43:54 +0000 (Z) Received: from mailgw2.fraunhofer.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw2.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lA7Ahr7v026627; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:43:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de [195.37.77.164]) by mailgw2.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lA7AhfpF026111 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:43:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de (bohr [10.147.9.231]) by pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (8.13.7/8.13.7) with SMTP id lA7AhVXQ020695; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:43:31 +0100 (MET) Received: from burner ([10.147.65.166]) by EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:43:31 +0100 Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:42:53 +0100 From: Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <4730F72A.1090605@sun.com> To: gdamore@sun.com, Casper.Dik@sun.com Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, James.D.Carlson@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com Message-id: <473196ad.w3GfAXfwZLtY+9fj%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Fraunhofer-Email-Policy: accepted References: <200711061935.lA6JZ84e022328@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> <4730c3f9.yrGYeGk7u9fMJeiQ%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <18224.52200.622566.948472@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <4730d6e9.VPrVXI2oKu6mxvex%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <200711062133.lA6LXggO016644@dm-holland-02.uk.sun.com> <4730F72A.1090605@sun.com> User-Agent: nail 11.22 3/20/05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2007 10:43:31.0510 (UTC) FILETIME=[09FF5D60:01C8212B] Status: RO Content-Length: 2307 "Garrett D'Amore" wrote: > Casper.Dik@Sun.COM wrote: > > > >> PSARC/2004/480 has not been done for fun but because Solaris urgently > >> _needs_ the code from star for compatibility. > >> > > > > Joerg, either do the work to integrate star or stop complaining it isn't > > integrated. > > > > With doing the work I mean: > > > > - do the work upto the point that it you or someone else can do > > a commit/putback. > > > > Just so its clear, that work involves: > > * Any PSARC efforts (if any interfaces, including CLI options, > protocols, or file formats, have changed, then an update fasttrack is > probably required) Nothing has "changed", the interfaces have been enhanced in a compatible way. > * Get code reviews done (I think you need to have input from someone > in Don Cragun's group here) What kind of code review do you expect? I am not sure whether these people will be able to do a code review for 67000 lines of code (1.6 MB) anytime soon. > * Get testing done. There may be compliance tests for POSIX that > need to be done. Again, Don can probably help you find someone who can > identify what those tests are, and either enable you to run them or have > someone run them for you. This sounds funny! Sun tar is tested against star to verify POSIX compliance. How do you like to test star? > * Submit a request-sponsor to find someone willing to help with the > final RTI How to do that? > None of this is terribly difficult, *IF* there is not any technically > controversial bits. I'm not sure that "IF" clause holds in your case > though... I know that part of the problem is compatibility is with Sun > products (which may or may not be POSIX compatible by default... that's > actually irrelevant). I'm not interested in hearing the details, so > don't bother responding to me directly. But I don't want you to feel > like we've left you with no idea how to proceed. What do you expect to be done here? Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de Wed Nov 7 02:48:03 2007 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA7Am2Qf015158 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 02:48:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA7AiIm7024773; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:44:18 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JR400J01TTTEB00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 03:44:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com ([192.18.98.34]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JR400G4LTTSSOA0@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 03:44:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay43i.sun.com ([192.5.209.74]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lA7AOdEY023980; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:44:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mms49es.sun.com ([160.41.221.233] [160.41.221.233]) by relay43i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-109112; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:44:16 +0000 (Z) Received: from relay44i.sun.com ([192.5.209.118] [192.5.209.118]) by mms49es.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-3314939; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:44:16 +0000 (Z) Received: from mailgw2.fraunhofer.de ([153.96.1.19] [153.96.1.19]) by relay4i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-870029; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:44:16 +0000 (Z) Received: from mailgw2.fraunhofer.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw2.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lA7AiFFh026893; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:44:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de [195.37.77.164]) by mailgw2.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lA7AiEkD026786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:44:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de (bohr [10.147.9.231]) by pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (8.13.7/8.13.7) with SMTP id lA7AiD5u020772; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:44:13 +0100 (MET) Received: from burner ([10.147.65.166]) by EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:44:13 +0100 Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:43:35 +0100 From: Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <4730FB0A.7050107@sun.com> To: jek3@sun.com Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com, bart.smaalders@sun.com Message-id: <473196d7.iGYBEfqiz1WN/byl%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Fraunhofer-Email-Policy: accepted References: <200711061957.lA6JvfAO022809@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> <4730d317.HedXPInlBcSZYWgw%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4730DA9A.70809@Sun.COM> <4730e60d.fdfjPeY5zH10Dua5%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4730FB0A.7050107@sun.com> User-Agent: nail 11.22 3/20/05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2007 10:44:13.0464 (UTC) FILETIME=[23010980:01C8212B] Status: RO Content-Length: 643 Joseph Kowalski wrote: > Joerg Schilling wrote: > > Bart, I need help with the makefiles and other Sun specific parts. > > > > Star itself is ready for the task. > > > What about the extensions beyond the currently approved case (2004/480)? Star eveolves, but this is done in a compliant way (only extensions, no changes). Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From gdamore@sun.com Wed Nov 7 07:49:28 2007 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA7FnRKE020238 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:49:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA7FjJRb011902; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 15:45:45 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JR50000V7S1SM00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 07:45:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from sca-es-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.43.132]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JR500AJ87RYPDC0@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 07:45:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-sfbay-09.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lA7FjYiZ023123; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 07:45:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-09.sun.com by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JR5004017C80U00@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> (original mail from gdamore@sun.com) ; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 07:45:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.251.106] ([76.174.83.55]) by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JR5006QZ7RX0A30@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com>; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 07:45:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 07:41:36 -0800 From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <473196ad.w3GfAXfwZLtY+9fj%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Sender: Garrett.Damore@sun.com To: Joerg Schilling Cc: Casper.Dik@sun.com, psarc-ext@sun.com, James.D.Carlson@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com Message-id: <4731DCB0.3000004@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <200711061935.lA6JZ84e022328@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> <4730c3f9.yrGYeGk7u9fMJeiQ%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <18224.52200.622566.948472@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <4730d6e9.VPrVXI2oKu6mxvex%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <200711062133.lA6LXggO016644@dm-holland-02.uk.sun.com> <4730F72A.1090605@sun.com> <473196ad.w3GfAXfwZLtY+9fj%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (X11/20070827) Status: RO Content-Length: 3070 Joerg Schilling wrote: > "Garrett D'Amore" wrote: > > >> Casper.Dik@Sun.COM wrote: >> >>> >>> >>>> PSARC/2004/480 has not been done for fun but because Solaris urgently >>>> _needs_ the code from star for compatibility. >>>> >>>> >>> Joerg, either do the work to integrate star or stop complaining it isn't >>> integrated. >>> >>> With doing the work I mean: >>> >>> - do the work upto the point that it you or someone else can do >>> a commit/putback. >>> >>> >> Just so its clear, that work involves: >> >> * Any PSARC efforts (if any interfaces, including CLI options, >> protocols, or file formats, have changed, then an update fasttrack is >> probably required) >> > > Nothing has "changed", the interfaces have been enhanced in a compatible way. > Even compatible interface changes are still changes, and need ARC review. > > >> * Get code reviews done (I think you need to have input from someone >> in Don Cragun's group here) >> > > What kind of code review do you expect? > > I am not sure whether these people will be able to do a code review for > 67000 lines of code (1.6 MB) anytime soon. > You can break it up across multiple people. Code doesn't get putback to Solaris without at least two sets of eyes looking at it. Whether it has 1 line of change, or 1M lines of change. > >> * Get testing done. There may be compliance tests for POSIX that >> need to be done. Again, Don can probably help you find someone who can >> identify what those tests are, and either enable you to run them or have >> someone run them for you. >> > > This sounds funny! > > Sun tar is tested against star to verify POSIX compliance. How do you like > to test star? > I don't know how to test it. But you had better find out what is required, and I think that means working with Don, before you file an RTI. > > >> * Submit a request-sponsor to find someone willing to help with the >> final RTI >> > > How to do that? > Actually, since I have learned that you are in SWAN already, you can file the RTI yourself. BUt I did omit one step, which is that you have to integrate star into a local workspace of your own, and make sure that it builds properly (including a full ON build). If you are integrating into SFW, rather than ON, the rules may be different. > > > >> None of this is terribly difficult, *IF* there is not any technically >> controversial bits. I'm not sure that "IF" clause holds in your case >> though... I know that part of the problem is compatibility is with Sun >> products (which may or may not be POSIX compatible by default... that's >> actually irrelevant). I'm not interested in hearing the details, so >> don't bother responding to me directly. But I don't want you to feel >> like we've left you with no idea how to proceed. >> > > What do you expect to be done here? > I thought I was pretty clear above. You seem unwilling to even try to figure it out. -- Garrett From craig.mohrman@sun.com Wed Nov 7 09:01:04 2007 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA7H13ns023920 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:01:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA7GvGjp020269; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 16:57:17 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JR500L2HB3G1S00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 08:57:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.17.63]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JR500G2RB3GAMD0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 08:57:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from [129.146.226.160] (shortty.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.226.160]) by jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com (8.14.1+Sun/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA7GvFG6765164; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 08:57:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 08:56:06 -0800 From: Craig Mohrman Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <18224.52200.622566.948472@gargle.gargle.HOWL> To: James Carlson Cc: Joerg Schilling , PSARC-ext@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com, craig.mohrman@sun.com Message-id: <4731EE26.9040500@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <200711061935.lA6JZ84e022328@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> <4730c3f9.yrGYeGk7u9fMJeiQ%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <18224.52200.622566.948472@gargle.gargle.HOWL> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0b2 (X11/20070411) Status: RO Content-Length: 2205 James Carlson wrote: > Joerg Schilling writes: > >> Don Cragun wrote: >> >> >>> The project team has made minor updates to the proposal to address >>> concerns raised by Darren, Garrett, and internal project team members. >>> (GNU rmt will move from /usr/sfw/libexec/grmt to /usr/lib/grmt instead >>> of /usr/libexec/rmt, man page links will be placed in >>> >> As I mentioned already, grmt is not needed as the rmt program from star >> is replacing /etc/rmt ans this rmt implementation is a true superset of the >> functionality of all known rmt implementation. >> > > I've taken a look at the GNU tar documentation, and unless I'm > misunderstanding this, it looks like this issue has gotten pretty > confused, and it seems that we need some technical input from the > project team. > > First of all, there doesn't appear to be a GNU variant of "rmt." > Instead, GNU tar comes with a copy of the original BSD rmt, just as we > already have. > > Secondly, as there doesn't appear to be a variant here, issues about > replacing it or preserving the GNU-ness seem to be misplaced. We > should just discard it as unnecessary. > > The *one* important issue is the one we've actually trampled into the > ground, and that's the issue about the location. According to the > GNU documentation, /usr/libexec/rmt isn't negotiable. My guess would > be (and I haven't looked at the sources) that they try > /usr/libexec/rmt first and then historical /etc/rmt when invoking it. > > On that theory (project team: please verify), both delivering as > /usr/libexec/grmt and as /usr/lib/grmt are wrong, because nothing will > look there for this helper binary. It won't be compatible, because > the path is effectively part of the wire protocol. > > If that's correct, then we should either deliver /usr/libexec/rmt as a > symlink or (perhaps better yet) do nothing. > > We have examined this more carefully and will do as James suggests in terms of NOT shipping the rmt that comes bundled with gtar and WILL use the bundled Sun rmt instead. So we withdraw the creation of /usr/libexec/rmt and /usr/libexec (old spec) and /usr/lib/grmt (new spec). So no (g)rmt. craig From craig.mohrman@sun.com Wed Nov 7 09:53:16 2007 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA7HrGOe025540 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:53:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA7HnTjO051919; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:49:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JR500N01DIK1J00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 09:49:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.17.63]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JR500LD2DIKHIB0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 09:49:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from [129.146.226.160] (shortty.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.226.160]) by jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com (8.14.1+Sun/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA7HnV6x775857; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 09:49:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 09:48:22 -0800 From: Craig Mohrman Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <4731EE26.9040500@sun.com> To: James Carlson Cc: Joerg Schilling , PSARC-ext@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com, craig.mohrman@sun.com Message-id: <4731FA66.9070509@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <200711061935.lA6JZ84e022328@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> <4730c3f9.yrGYeGk7u9fMJeiQ%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <18224.52200.622566.948472@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <4731EE26.9040500@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0b2 (X11/20070411) Status: RO Content-Length: 438 Craig Mohrman wrote: > We have examined this more carefully and will do as James suggests > in terms of NOT shipping the rmt that comes bundled with gtar and WILL > use the bundled Sun rmt instead. > > So we withdraw the creation of /usr/libexec/rmt and /usr/libexec (old > spec) and > /usr/lib/grmt (new spec). So no (g)rmt. For completeness sake we will delete /usr/sfw/libexec/grmt and not be adding/moving another (g)rmt. craig From don.cragun@Sun.COM Wed Nov 7 13:48:22 2007 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA7LmLUE010545 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:48:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA7LiaFa012255; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 21:44:37 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JR500903OEDW700@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:44:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM ([129.146.226.64]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JR5002SSOEDPF10@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:44:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM (spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.226.64]) by spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6) with SMTP id lA7Liaqm025067; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:44:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:44:36 -0800 (PST) From: Don Cragun Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] To: PSARC-ext@Sun.COM Cc: Craig.Mohrman@Sun.COM Reply-to: Don Cragun Message-id: <200711072144.lA7Liaqm025067@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.5.5 SunOS 5.9 sun4u sparc Content-type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-MD5: wLoLNA4fwBjmt/bBDpauXA== X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 Status: RO Content-Length: 208 This case was approved during ARC business at today's PSARC meeting. Changes discussed in the mail log have been incorporated into an updated proposal file (proposal.final) in the case's directory. - Don From jek3@sun.com Wed Nov 7 13:54:24 2007 Received: from sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA7LsIcL011142 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:54:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA7LmWn2017067; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 05:49:46 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JR500A0DOMWC900@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:49:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.17.59]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JR50012YOMV5BF0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:49:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from [129.150.12.137] (vpn-129-150-12-137.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.150.12.137]) by jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com (8.14.1+Sun/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA7LngbI842915; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:49:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:49:23 -1000 From: Joseph Kowalski Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <473193bf.f8tWumjQFR0ghHt0%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> To: Joerg Schilling Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com Message-id: <473232E3.7060706@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <200711061957.lA6JvfAO022809@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> <4730d317.HedXPInlBcSZYWgw%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4730E579.1080008@sun.com> <4730e6e1.LgkXdeOzjzXGDRej%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4730EADA.7030905@sun.com> <473193bf.f8tWumjQFR0ghHt0%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0b2 (X11/20070227) Status: RO Content-Length: 1504 Joerg Schilling wrote: > Joseph Kowalski wrote: > > >> Joerg Schilling wrote: >> >>> Joseph Kowalski wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Joerg Schilling wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Is there a chance that you come to reality? >>>>> >>>>> The case PSARC/2004/480 has not been made for fun but because there is a _need_ >>>>> to integrate star into Solaris. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Reality is that *you* need to drive star integration. >>>> >>>> I tried. You want to integrate a star which provides interfaces beyond >>>> those >>>> >>>> >>> You tried but then you told me that you lack the time for more help. >>> >>> >> I *may* have said this about being a sponsor -- I don't exactly recall -- I >> suspect you might be right. There certainly was a lack of sponsors at >> that time. >> >> However, I never said I wouldn't sponsor the fast-track to add the new >> features. >> > > I thought that we first need to get it in. > Well sure,... you can either review the newer features or disable them in such a delivery. Including the newer features in the delivery without them being reviewed/approved is not an option. Actually, disabling them might not be a bad idea. If I remember the newer features, not providing them would disappoint some users, but I think only a small number. I'd guess the biggest disappointment would be the "Solaris is *still* behind the times" background noise. - jek3 From jek3@Sun.COM Wed Nov 7 13:57:27 2007 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA7LvQDG011481 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:57:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA7Lrfod025494; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:53:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JR500107OTGKH00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:53:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.17.63]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JR500HBDOTGKN50@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:53:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from [129.150.12.137] (vpn-129-150-12-137.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.150.12.137]) by jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com (8.14.1+Sun/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA7LrcFV843866; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:53:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:53:19 -1000 From: Joseph Kowalski Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <473196ad.w3GfAXfwZLtY+9fj%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> To: Joerg Schilling Cc: gdamore@Sun.COM, Casper.Dik@Sun.COM, PSARC-ext@Sun.COM, James.D.Carlson@Sun.COM, don.cragun@Sun.COM, Craig.Mohrman@Sun.COM Message-id: <473233CF.8010304@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <200711061935.lA6JZ84e022328@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> <4730c3f9.yrGYeGk7u9fMJeiQ%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <18224.52200.622566.948472@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <4730d6e9.VPrVXI2oKu6mxvex%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <200711062133.lA6LXggO016644@dm-holland-02.uk.sun.com> <4730F72A.1090605@sun.com> <473196ad.w3GfAXfwZLtY+9fj%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0b2 (X11/20070227) Status: RO Content-Length: 259 Joerg Schilling wrote: > Nothing has "changed", the interfaces have been enhanced in a compatible way. > "enhanced in a compatible way" is "changed. Its just a compatible change. As a matter of fact, PSARC usually denies incompatible changes. - jek3 From jek3@sun.com Wed Nov 7 14:01:29 2007 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA7M1TnH012007 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 14:01:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA7LvcIu021457; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 13:57:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JR500A01OZXO100@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:57:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.17.63]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JR500A5IOZWKL00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:57:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from [129.150.12.137] (vpn-129-150-12-137.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.150.12.137]) by jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com (8.14.1+Sun/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA7LvVut844782; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:57:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:57:12 -1000 From: Joseph Kowalski Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <473196d7.iGYBEfqiz1WN/byl%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> To: Joerg Schilling Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com, bart.smaalders@sun.com Message-id: <473234B8.6020305@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <200711061957.lA6JvfAO022809@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> <4730d317.HedXPInlBcSZYWgw%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4730DA9A.70809@Sun.COM> <4730e60d.fdfjPeY5zH10Dua5%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4730FB0A.7050107@sun.com> <473196d7.iGYBEfqiz1WN/byl%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0b2 (X11/20070227) Status: RO Content-Length: 865 Joerg Schilling wrote: > Joseph Kowalski wrote: > > >> Joerg Schilling wrote: >> >>> Bart, I need help with the makefiles and other Sun specific parts. >>> >>> Star itself is ready for the task. >>> >>> >> What about the extensions beyond the currently approved case (2004/480)? >> > > Star eveolves, but this is done in a compliant way (only extensions, no > changes). > I guess I'll say it again. The interfaces are approved by PSARC. Each of those incremental changes need to be approved. You've been lurking on the psarc aliases for quite a long time. You've surely seen the fast-tracks which add a simple option? (Example: the loader guys). Why would this paradigm not apply to star? Just for the record, the ability to interpret an additional format is an interface. Its not all about option flags. - jek3 From jek3@sun.com Wed Nov 7 14:21:12 2007 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA7MLCd5013233 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 14:21:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA7MHSN5003489; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 14:17:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JR500301PX4JG00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 15:17:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.17.63]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JR500HV4PX3KJ70@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 15:17:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from [129.150.12.137] (vpn-129-150-12-137.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.150.12.137]) by jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com (8.14.1+Sun/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA7MHPa7848508; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:17:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:17:06 -1000 From: Joseph Kowalski Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <4731DCB0.3000004@sun.com> To: "Garrett D'Amore" Cc: Joerg Schilling , Casper.Dik@sun.com, psarc-ext@sun.com, James.D.Carlson@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com Message-id: <47323962.9050702@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <200711061935.lA6JZ84e022328@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> <4730c3f9.yrGYeGk7u9fMJeiQ%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <18224.52200.622566.948472@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <4730d6e9.VPrVXI2oKu6mxvex%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <200711062133.lA6LXggO016644@dm-holland-02.uk.sun.com> <4730F72A.1090605@sun.com> <473196ad.w3GfAXfwZLtY+9fj%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4731DCB0.3000004@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0b2 (X11/20070227) Status: RO Content-Length: 683 Garrett D'Amore wrote: >>> * Get code reviews done (I think you need to have input from >>> someone in Don Cragun's group here) >>> >> >> What kind of code review do you expect? >> >> I am not sure whether these people will be able to do a code review for >> 67000 lines of code (1.6 MB) anytime soon. >> > > You can break it up across multiple people. Code doesn't get putback > to Solaris without at least two sets of eyes looking at it. Whether > it has 1 line of change, or 1M lines of change. > I realize this is the philosophy, but it doesn't really apply to FOSS code we import. Usually a review happens at the packaging and documentation level. - jek3 From Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de Thu Nov 8 02:37:44 2007 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA8Abhqw025209 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 02:37:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA8AY0lG055643; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 03:34:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JR600405O0OB100@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 02:34:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.98.31]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JR600FN2O0NN6D0@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 02:34:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay25.sun.com (relay21.sun.com [192.12.251.14] (may be forged)) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lA89o31d010046; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:33:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mms25es.sun.com ([150.143.232.94] [150.143.232.94]) by relay25i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-316582; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:33:59 +0000 (Z) Received: from relay24.sun.com (relay24.sun.com [192.12.251.74]) by mms25es.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-4591409; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:33:59 +0000 (Z) Received: from mailgw10.fraunhofer.de ([153.96.1.22] [153.96.1.22]) by relay24i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-3310584; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:33:58 +0000 (Z) Received: from mailgw10.fraunhofer.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw10.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lA8AXvXI023646; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 11:33:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de [195.37.77.164]) by mailgw10.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lA8AXunZ023621 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 11:33:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de (bohr [10.147.9.231]) by pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (8.13.7/8.13.7) with SMTP id lA8AXumg020983; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 11:33:56 +0100 (MET) Received: from burner ([10.147.65.166]) by EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 11:33:55 +0100 Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 11:33:16 +0100 From: Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <4731DCB0.3000004@sun.com> To: gdamore@sun.com Cc: psarc-ext@sun.com, James.D.Carlson@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com, Casper.Dik@sun.com Message-id: <4732e5ec.SRmWLU3abi5JKTi3%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Fraunhofer-Email-Policy: accepted References: <200711061935.lA6JZ84e022328@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> <4730c3f9.yrGYeGk7u9fMJeiQ%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <18224.52200.622566.948472@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <4730d6e9.VPrVXI2oKu6mxvex%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <200711062133.lA6LXggO016644@dm-holland-02.uk.sun.com> <4730F72A.1090605@sun.com> <473196ad.w3GfAXfwZLtY+9fj%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4731DCB0.3000004@sun.com> User-Agent: nail 11.22 3/20/05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Nov 2007 10:33:55.0926 (UTC) FILETIME=[DD55F760:01C821F2] Status: RO Content-Length: 2599 "Garrett D'Amore" wrote: > >> * Any PSARC efforts (if any interfaces, including CLI options, > >> protocols, or file formats, have changed, then an update fasttrack is > >> probably required) > >> > > > > Nothing has "changed", the interfaces have been enhanced in a compatible way. > > > > Even compatible interface changes are still changes, and need ARC review. Why? > >> * Get code reviews done (I think you need to have input from someone > >> in Don Cragun's group here) > >> > > > > What kind of code review do you expect? > > > > I am not sure whether these people will be able to do a code review for > > 67000 lines of code (1.6 MB) anytime soon. > > > > You can break it up across multiple people. Code doesn't get putback to > Solaris without at least two sets of eyes looking at it. Whether it has > 1 line of change, or 1M lines of change. This did not happen for GNU tar, why should it happen for star? > >> * Get testing done. There may be compliance tests for POSIX that > >> need to be done. Again, Don can probably help you find someone who can > >> identify what those tests are, and either enable you to run them or have > >> someone run them for you. > >> > > > > This sounds funny! > > > > Sun tar is tested against star to verify POSIX compliance. How do you like > > to test star? > > > > I don't know how to test it. But you had better find out what is > required, and I think that means working with Don, before you file an RTI. This did not happen for GNU tar, why do you believe it should happen with star? > Actually, since I have learned that you are in SWAN already, you can > file the RTI yourself. BUt I did omit one step, which is that you have > to integrate star into a local workspace of your own, and make sure that > it builds properly (including a full ON build). If you are integrating > into SFW, rather than ON, the rules may be different. I have no idea how this works. > > What do you expect to be done here? > > > > I thought I was pretty clear above. You seem unwilling to even try to > figure it out. I see that some people from Sun try to invent new trap doors every time we advance a bit. If you did GNU tar POSIX compliance, it would not be in Solaris. Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de Thu Nov 8 03:26:21 2007 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA8BQLeB026675 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 03:26:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA8BMHcF021880; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:22:37 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JR600L03Q9HTG00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 04:22:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.98.43]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JR600KT6Q9GY300@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 04:22:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay13i.sun.com (ip123.net129179-4.block1.us.syntegra.com [129.179.4.123]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lA8BCPWC010492; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 11:22:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mmp13es.sun.com ([160.41.209.23] [160.41.209.23]) by relay13i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-104947; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 11:22:28 +0000 (Z) Received: from relay11i.sun.com (relay11i.sun.com [129.179.4.121]) by mmp13es.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-85695; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 11:22:27 +0000 (Z) Received: from mailgw2.fraunhofer.de ([153.96.1.19] [153.96.1.19]) by relay1ib.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-277323; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 11:22:27 +0000 (Z) Received: from mailgw2.fraunhofer.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw2.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lA8BMK37009707; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:22:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de [195.37.77.164]) by mailgw2.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lA8BMKnO009661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:22:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de (bohr [10.147.9.231]) by pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (8.13.7/8.13.7) with SMTP id lA8BMJXm025057; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:22:19 +0100 (MET) Received: from burner ([10.147.65.166]) by EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:22:19 +0100 Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:21:40 +0100 From: Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <473232E3.7060706@sun.com> To: jek3@sun.com Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com Message-id: <4732f144.FGL0muZHE6C4wmaC%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Fraunhofer-Email-Policy: accepted References: <200711061957.lA6JvfAO022809@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> <4730d317.HedXPInlBcSZYWgw%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4730E579.1080008@sun.com> <4730e6e1.LgkXdeOzjzXGDRej%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4730EADA.7030905@sun.com> <473193bf.f8tWumjQFR0ghHt0%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <473232E3.7060706@sun.com> User-Agent: nail 11.22 3/20/05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Nov 2007 11:22:19.0969 (UTC) FILETIME=[A047C310:01C821F9] Status: RO Content-Length: 1187 Joseph Kowalski wrote: > > I thought that we first need to get it in. > > > > Well sure,... you can either review the newer features or disable them > in such a delivery. Could you please explain why star should have problems with things that have never been done with GNU tar? > Including the newer features in the delivery without them being > reviewed/approved > is not an option. What do you like to achieve here? If star should be in sfw, then I see absolutely no need to review the new features. If the code needs a review, why then do you propose to not put it into ON? > Actually, disabling them might not be a bad idea. If I remember the > newer features, > not providing them would disappoint some users, but I think only a small > number. I am not willing to disable the new features as this does not make sense and causes a high workload. Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de Thu Nov 8 03:29:55 2007 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA8BTs7M026807 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 03:29:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA8BPxqG024068; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:26:11 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JR600M0XQFLBM00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 04:26:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com ([192.18.98.36]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JR600KNGQFKY100@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 04:26:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay43i.sun.com ([192.5.209.74]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lA8BQ7ZO008112; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 11:26:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mms49es.sun.com ([160.41.221.233] [160.41.221.233]) by relay43i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-236950; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 11:26:07 +0000 (Z) Received: from relay41i.sun.com ([192.5.209.70] [192.5.209.70]) by mms49es.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-955573; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 11:26:07 +0000 (Z) Received: from mailgw2.fraunhofer.de ([153.96.1.19] [153.96.1.19]) by relay4i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-2023480; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 11:26:07 +0000 (Z) Received: from mailgw2.fraunhofer.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw2.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lA8BPatC022237; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:26:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de [195.37.77.164]) by mailgw2.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lA8BPZof022208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:25:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de (bohr [10.147.9.231]) by pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (8.13.7/8.13.7) with SMTP id lA8BPY7R025288; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:25:35 +0100 (MET) Received: from burner ([10.147.65.166]) by EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:25:35 +0100 Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:24:55 +0100 From: Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <473234B8.6020305@sun.com> To: jek3@sun.com Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com, bart.smaalders@sun.com Message-id: <4732f207.dSRDOtfjy40oPciC%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Fraunhofer-Email-Policy: accepted References: <200711061957.lA6JvfAO022809@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> <4730d317.HedXPInlBcSZYWgw%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4730DA9A.70809@Sun.COM> <4730e60d.fdfjPeY5zH10Dua5%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4730FB0A.7050107@sun.com> <473196d7.iGYBEfqiz1WN/byl%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <473234B8.6020305@sun.com> User-Agent: nail 11.22 3/20/05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Nov 2007 11:25:35.0193 (UTC) FILETIME=[14A49490:01C821FA] Status: RO Content-Length: 1279 Joseph Kowalski wrote: > Joerg Schilling wrote: > > Joseph Kowalski wrote: > > > > > >> Joerg Schilling wrote: > >> > >>> Bart, I need help with the makefiles and other Sun specific parts. > >>> > >>> Star itself is ready for the task. > >>> > >>> > >> What about the extensions beyond the currently approved case (2004/480)? > >> > > > > Star eveolves, but this is done in a compliant way (only extensions, no > > changes). > > > I guess I'll say it again. The interfaces are approved by PSARC. Each > of those > incremental changes need to be approved. > > You've been lurking on the psarc aliases for quite a long time. You've > surely > seen the fast-tracks which add a simple option? (Example: the loader guys). > Why would this paradigm not apply to star? Adding "-/" to Sun tar was denied by me for good reasons: it breaks compatibility. Why should star go thorugh a system that is even ignored by Sun tar? Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de Thu Nov 8 03:30:53 2007 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA8BUrtM026851 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 03:30:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA8BR3ij025289; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 03:27:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JR600D0RQH9FA00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 03:27:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from sca-ea-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.43.24]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JR600FYYQH5N5E0@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 03:27:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay43i.sun.com ([192.5.209.74]) by sca-ea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lA8BAuH4027026; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 11:27:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mms49es.sun.com ([160.41.221.233] [160.41.221.233]) by relay43i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-236994; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 11:27:04 +0000 (Z) Received: from relay43i.sun.com ([192.5.209.74] [192.5.209.74]) by mms49es.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-956902; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 11:27:04 +0000 (Z) Received: from mailgwb1.fraunhofer.de ([153.96.87.18] [153.96.87.18]) by relay4i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-1998373; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 11:27:03 +0000 (Z) Received: from mailgwb1.fraunhofer.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgwb1.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lA8BR2B9023684; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:27:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de [195.37.77.164]) by mailgwb1.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lA8BR1ht023656 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:27:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de (bohr [10.147.9.231]) by pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (8.13.7/8.13.7) with SMTP id lA8BR1MS025415; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:27:01 +0100 (MET) Received: from burner ([10.147.65.166]) by EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:27:01 +0100 Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:26:22 +0100 From: Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <47323962.9050702@sun.com> To: jek3@sun.com, gdamore@sun.com Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, James.D.Carlson@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com, Casper.Dik@sun.com Message-id: <4732f25e.GWF9CzCBFrwLyMkE%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Fraunhofer-Email-Policy: accepted References: <200711061935.lA6JZ84e022328@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> <4730c3f9.yrGYeGk7u9fMJeiQ%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <18224.52200.622566.948472@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <4730d6e9.VPrVXI2oKu6mxvex%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <200711062133.lA6LXggO016644@dm-holland-02.uk.sun.com> <4730F72A.1090605@sun.com> <473196ad.w3GfAXfwZLtY+9fj%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4731DCB0.3000004@sun.com> <47323962.9050702@sun.com> User-Agent: nail 11.22 3/20/05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Nov 2007 11:27:01.0929 (UTC) FILETIME=[48577190:01C821FA] Status: RO Content-Length: 1191 Joseph Kowalski wrote: > Garrett D'Amore wrote: > >>> * Get code reviews done (I think you need to have input from > >>> someone in Don Cragun's group here) > >>> > >> > >> What kind of code review do you expect? > >> > >> I am not sure whether these people will be able to do a code review for > >> 67000 lines of code (1.6 MB) anytime soon. > >> > > > > You can break it up across multiple people. Code doesn't get putback > > to Solaris without at least two sets of eyes looking at it. Whether > > it has 1 line of change, or 1M lines of change. > > > I realize this is the philosophy, but it doesn't really apply to FOSS > code we import. Usually a review happens at the packaging and > documentation level. As I mentioned already, if GNU tar did have a code review, it could not make it into Solaris. Why should star be treated worse than GNU tar? Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From carlsonj@phorcys.east.sun.com Thu Nov 8 06:41:57 2007 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA8Efudc029113 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 06:41:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA8EcAji024205; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:38:12 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JR600D0HZBLJS00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 06:38:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com ([129.148.174.143]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JR600BTBZBKSA50@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 06:38:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.1+Sun/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA8ETvVW011877; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 09:29:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from carlsonj@localhost) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.1+Sun/8.14.1/Submit) id lA8ETpHG011873; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 09:29:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 09:29:49 -0500 From: James Carlson Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <4732f207.dSRDOtfjy40oPciC%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> To: Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Cc: jek3@sun.com, PSARC-ext@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com, bart.smaalders@sun.com Message-id: <18227.7517.974483.587869@gargle.gargle.HOWL> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VM 7.01 under Emacs 21.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <200711061957.lA6JvfAO022809@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> <4730d317.HedXPInlBcSZYWgw%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4730DA9A.70809@Sun.COM> <4730e60d.fdfjPeY5zH10Dua5%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4730FB0A.7050107@sun.com> <473196d7.iGYBEfqiz1WN/byl%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <473234B8.6020305@sun.com> <4732f207.dSRDOtfjy40oPciC%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Status: RO Content-Length: 1097 Joerg Schilling writes: > Adding "-/" to Sun tar was denied by me for good reasons: it breaks compatibility. I could be mistaken, but I don't believe you have a veto here. > Why should star go thorugh a system that is even ignored by Sun tar? I don't see how changes to the existing /usr/bin/tar "ignored" any part of the review. More importantly, though, I don't see how *ANY* of this discussion has *ANYTHING WHATSOEVER* to do with the project under review. Please stop discussing star and OpenSolaris tar on this list. It has nothing to do with the project under review, which is solely changing the installed path of GNU tar, an already-delivered component. The proposal to change the path on GNU tar (which is delivered via SFW, not ON) was approved during ARC business yesterday. If you feel the need to discuss other issues, please take them somewhere else. -- James Carlson, Solaris Networking Sun Microsystems / 35 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677 From gdamore@sun.com Thu Nov 8 08:12:43 2007 Received: from sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA8GCgsX001287 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 08:12:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA8G0xMi021665; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 00:07:59 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JR700B013GLH500@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 08:07:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from sca-es-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.43.133]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JR700HBN3GGHOB0@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 08:07:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lA8G7S5v006665; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 08:07:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JR700G0138TF300@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> (original mail from gdamore@sun.com) ; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 08:07:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.251.106] ([76.174.83.55]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JR7006193GFWAD0@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com>; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 08:07:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 08:03:29 -0800 From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <4732f144.FGL0muZHE6C4wmaC%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Sender: Garrett.Damore@sun.com To: Joerg Schilling Cc: jek3@sun.com, psarc-ext@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com Message-id: <47333351.20106@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <200711061957.lA6JvfAO022809@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> <4730d317.HedXPInlBcSZYWgw%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4730E579.1080008@sun.com> <4730e6e1.LgkXdeOzjzXGDRej%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4730EADA.7030905@sun.com> <473193bf.f8tWumjQFR0ghHt0%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <473232E3.7060706@sun.com> <4732f144.FGL0muZHE6C4wmaC%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (X11/20070827) Status: RO Content-Length: 568 Joerg Schilling wrote: > Joseph Kowalski wrote: > > >>> I thought that we first need to get it in. >>> >>> >> Well sure,... you can either review the newer features or disable them >> in such a delivery. >> > > Could you please explain why star should have problems with things that have > never been done with GNU tar? > > > Because GNU tar delivers into SFW, and does not claim to be called "/usr/bin/tar". If you are happy being delivered into /usr/sfw/bin/star then much of the work can probably be elided. -- Garrett From gww@eng.sun.com Thu Nov 8 08:21:13 2007 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA8GLDRc001331 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 08:21:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA8GHV5t059879; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 09:17:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JR700L0D3X8VI00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 09:17:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from engmail3mpk.sfbay.Sun.COM ([129.146.11.26]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JR700EX13X7USA0@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 09:17:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from marduk.eng.sun.com (marduk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.108.224]) by engmail3mpk.sfbay.Sun.COM (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA8GHUXY009193; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 08:17:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from marduk.eng.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by marduk.eng.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id lA8GGYqL024109; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 08:16:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gww@localhost) by marduk.eng.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id lA8GGYhd024108; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 08:16:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 08:16:34 -0800 (PST) From: Gary Winiger Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] To: Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de, gdamore@sun.com Cc: jek3@sun.com, psarc-ext@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com, craig.mohrman@sun.com Message-id: <200711081616.lA8GGYhd024108@marduk.eng.sun.com> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 Status: RO Content-Length: 329 Garrett, > If you are happy being delivered into /usr/sfw/bin/star then much of the > work can probably be elided. Please don't go there. Go read the 4 or 5 precedent cases dealing with the SFW consolidation and shipping with Sun distros. IMO, this should be done right, or not at all by the upstream maintainer. Gary.. From Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de Thu Nov 8 08:23:31 2007 Received: from sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA8GNPFo001370 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 08:23:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA8GIKOj027286; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 00:18:46 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JR700L073YFX800@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 09:18:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from sca-ea-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.43.24]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JR700E283YEUOB0@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 09:18:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay42i.sun.com ([192.5.209.72]) by sca-ea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lA8GEXcw026042; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:18:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mms49es.sun.com ([160.41.221.233] [160.41.221.233]) by relay42i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-264799; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:18:14 +0000 (Z) Received: from relay42i.sun.com ([192.5.209.72] [192.5.209.72]) by mms49es.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-57642; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:18:13 +0000 (Z) Received: from mailgw2.fraunhofer.de ([153.96.1.19] [153.96.1.19]) by relay4i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-2243142; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:18:13 +0000 (Z) Received: from mailgw2.fraunhofer.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw2.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lA8GICi0014813; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:18:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de [195.37.77.164]) by mailgw2.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lA8GIBLt014705 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:18:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de (bohr [10.147.9.231]) by pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (8.13.7/8.13.7) with SMTP id lA8GIBof023734; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:18:11 +0100 (MET) Received: from burner ([10.147.65.166]) by EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:18:11 +0100 Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:17:31 +0100 From: Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <47333351.20106@sun.com> To: gdamore@sun.com Cc: psarc-ext@sun.com, jek3@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com Message-id: <4733369b.XLwdZHvI7BM7h0s2%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Fraunhofer-Email-Policy: accepted References: <200711061957.lA6JvfAO022809@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> <4730d317.HedXPInlBcSZYWgw%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4730E579.1080008@sun.com> <4730e6e1.LgkXdeOzjzXGDRej%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4730EADA.7030905@sun.com> <473193bf.f8tWumjQFR0ghHt0%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <473232E3.7060706@sun.com> <4732f144.FGL0muZHE6C4wmaC%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <47333351.20106@sun.com> User-Agent: nail 11.22 3/20/05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Nov 2007 16:18:11.0398 (UTC) FILETIME=[F4F4DE60:01C82222] Status: RO Content-Length: 1104 "Garrett D'Amore" wrote: > >> Well sure,... you can either review the newer features or disable them > >> in such a delivery. > >> > > > > Could you please explain why star should have problems with things that have > > never been done with GNU tar? > > > > > > > Because GNU tar delivers into SFW, and does not claim to be called > "/usr/bin/tar". > > If you are happy being delivered into /usr/sfw/bin/star then much of the > work can probably be elided. I thought that in the first step, star (as sfw) delivers to /usr/bin/star and rmt replaces /etc/rmt. As the rmt code did not change (ecept for a security fix) I do not see the need for a new ARC. The second step is to change ufsdump to use librmt and after that, we start to discuss how star replaces /usr/bin/tar Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From Darren.Moffat@sun.com Thu Nov 8 08:28:15 2007 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA8GSEiC001464 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 08:28:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA8GOUTd025614; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 16:24:32 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JR700I1L48U9N00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 08:24:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from gmp-eb-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.6.21]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JR700HC948R5320@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 08:24:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-emea-09.sun.com (gmp-eb-lb-2-fe2.eu.sun.com [192.18.6.11]) by gmp-eb-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lA8GORYX010431; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:24:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-emea-09.sun.com by fe-emea-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JR700I013AWPW00@fe-emea-09.sun.com> (original mail from Darren.Moffat@Sun.COM); Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:24:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [129.156.173.21] by fe-emea-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JR700ANO48QJF20@fe-emea-09.sun.com>; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:24:27 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:24:26 +0000 From: Darren J Moffat Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <4733369b.XLwdZHvI7BM7h0s2%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Sender: Darren.Moffat@sun.com To: Joerg Schilling Cc: gdamore@sun.com, psarc-ext@sun.com, jek3@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com Message-id: <4733383A.1030209@Sun.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <200711061957.lA6JvfAO022809@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> <4730d317.HedXPInlBcSZYWgw%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4730E579.1080008@sun.com> <4730e6e1.LgkXdeOzjzXGDRej%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4730EADA.7030905@sun.com> <473193bf.f8tWumjQFR0ghHt0%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <473232E3.7060706@sun.com> <4732f144.FGL0muZHE6C4wmaC%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <47333351.20106@sun.com> <4733369b.XLwdZHvI7BM7h0s2%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070924) Status: RO Content-Length: 900 Joerg Schilling wrote: > "Garrett D'Amore" wrote: > >>>> Well sure,... you can either review the newer features or disable them >>>> in such a delivery. >>>> >>> Could you please explain why star should have problems with things that have >>> never been done with GNU tar? >>> >>> >>> >> Because GNU tar delivers into SFW, and does not claim to be called >> "/usr/bin/tar". >> >> If you are happy being delivered into /usr/sfw/bin/star then much of the >> work can probably be elided. > > I thought that in the first step, star (as sfw) delivers to /usr/bin/star and > rmt replaces /etc/rmt. As the rmt code did not change (ecept for a security fix) > I do not see the need for a new ARC. > > The second step is to change ufsdump to use librmt and after that, we start to > discuss how star replaces /usr/bin/tar STOP STOP STOP NOT THIS CASE. -- Darren J Moffat From carlsonj@phorcys.east.sun.com Thu Nov 8 08:29:37 2007 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA8GTbgQ001483 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 08:29:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA8GPtrf023247; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 08:25:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JR700I0R4B6BA00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 08:25:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com ([129.148.174.143]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JR700HET4B55520@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 08:25:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.1+Sun/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA8GHhXS013321; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 11:17:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from carlsonj@localhost) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.1+Sun/8.14.1/Submit) id lA8GHhdx013318; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 11:17:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 11:17:42 -0500 From: James Carlson Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <47333351.20106@sun.com> To: "Garrett D'Amore" Cc: Joerg Schilling , psarc-ext@sun.com, craig.mohrman@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com, jek3@sun.com Message-id: <18227.13990.754540.483277@gargle.gargle.HOWL> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VM 7.01 under Emacs 21.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <200711061957.lA6JvfAO022809@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> <4730d317.HedXPInlBcSZYWgw%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4730E579.1080008@sun.com> <4730e6e1.LgkXdeOzjzXGDRej%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4730EADA.7030905@sun.com> <473193bf.f8tWumjQFR0ghHt0%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <473232E3.7060706@sun.com> <4732f144.FGL0muZHE6C4wmaC%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <47333351.20106@sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 1130 Garrett D'Amore writes: > Because GNU tar delivers into SFW, and does not claim to be called > "/usr/bin/tar". > > If you are happy being delivered into /usr/sfw/bin/star then much of the > work can probably be elided. I think that's a bit of a misunderstanding. The consolidation through which a project delivers has _nothing_ to do with the path of the installed utility. In particular, there's no reason that anything new should ever be added into the /usr/sfw/bin ghetto. Delivering via SFW versus ON allows one to take advantage of the differing integration requirements of the two consolidations. For example, SFW emphasizes minimal (preferably zero) change from the external reference source, while ON emphasizes a consistent and well-known style for all components. In any event, as I mentioned before, none of this discussion has anything to do with the changing of the path for GNU tar. -- James Carlson, Solaris Networking Sun Microsystems / 35 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677 From jek3@sun.com Thu Nov 8 14:48:00 2007 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA8Mm0gD012357 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:48:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA8Mi2vn019521; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 15:44:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JR700A09LTRLL00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:44:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.17.63]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JR7006RSLTR7C60@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:44:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [129.150.12.137] (vpn-129-150-12-137.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.150.12.137]) by jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com (8.14.1+Sun/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA8MiDtn361352; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:44:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:43:53 -1000 From: Joseph Kowalski Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <4732f144.FGL0muZHE6C4wmaC%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> To: Joerg Schilling Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com Message-id: <47339129.3090306@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <200711061957.lA6JvfAO022809@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> <4730d317.HedXPInlBcSZYWgw%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4730E579.1080008@sun.com> <4730e6e1.LgkXdeOzjzXGDRej%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4730EADA.7030905@sun.com> <473193bf.f8tWumjQFR0ghHt0%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <473232E3.7060706@sun.com> <4732f144.FGL0muZHE6C4wmaC%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0b2 (X11/20070227) Status: RO Content-Length: 1060 Joerg Schilling wrote: > If star should be in sfw, then I see absolutely no need to review the new > features. > sfw has different rules than ON as far a makefiles and such. The interface review and stability rules are the same. They actually apply to all Sun products (which are currently the same rules adopted by OpenSolaris). > If the code needs a review, why then do you propose to not put it into ON? > I didn't make this assertion. I *did* suggest it should be in ON. *You* didn't like the makefile rules in ON. >> Actually, disabling them might not be a bad idea. If I remember the >> newer features, >> not providing them would disappoint some users, but I think only a small >> number. >> > > > I am not willing to disable the new features as this does not make sense > and causes a high workload. > Deja Vu! Then we are at the same impass we reached before. I presented two options: 1) Get the new features reviewed. 2) Disable/Remove them. You get to chose 1) or 2). You don't get to say "No". - jek3 From jek3@sun.com Thu Nov 8 14:51:57 2007 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA8MpvId012380 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:51:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA8MmDoi021314; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 15:48:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JR700A0LM03U300@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:48:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.17.63]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JR7006Z8M027460@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:48:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from [129.150.12.137] (vpn-129-150-12-137.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.150.12.137]) by jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com (8.14.1+Sun/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA8Mm1T3361879; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:48:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:47:31 -1000 From: Joseph Kowalski Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <4732f207.dSRDOtfjy40oPciC%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> To: Joerg Schilling Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com, bart.smaalders@sun.com Message-id: <47339203.8090802@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <200711061957.lA6JvfAO022809@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> <4730d317.HedXPInlBcSZYWgw%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4730DA9A.70809@Sun.COM> <4730e60d.fdfjPeY5zH10Dua5%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4730FB0A.7050107@sun.com> <473196d7.iGYBEfqiz1WN/byl%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <473234B8.6020305@sun.com> <4732f207.dSRDOtfjy40oPciC%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0b2 (X11/20070227) Status: RO Content-Length: 317 Joerg Schilling wrote: > Adding "-/" to Sun tar was denied by me for good reasons: it breaks compatibility. > Fine. This is basically that you refused to implement the equivalent of a TCR. Hence, the C-Team will not allow you to integrate. If the case is that simple, can we stop debating this issue? - jek3 From jek3@sun.com Thu Nov 8 14:51:43 2007 Received: from sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA8MpbJr012815 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:51:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA8Mnf9n027807; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 06:50:38 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JR70042IM46R400@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:50:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.17.63]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JR700L1QM44PI50@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:50:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from [129.150.12.137] (vpn-129-150-12-137.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.150.12.137]) by jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com (8.14.1+Sun/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA8MoQvE362271; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:50:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:50:05 -1000 From: Joseph Kowalski Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <4732f207.dSRDOtfjy40oPciC%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> To: Joerg Schilling Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com, bart.smaalders@sun.com Message-id: <4733929D.4050208@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <200711061957.lA6JvfAO022809@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> <4730d317.HedXPInlBcSZYWgw%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4730DA9A.70809@Sun.COM> <4730e60d.fdfjPeY5zH10Dua5%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4730FB0A.7050107@sun.com> <473196d7.iGYBEfqiz1WN/byl%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <473234B8.6020305@sun.com> <4732f207.dSRDOtfjy40oPciC%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0b2 (X11/20070227) Status: RO Content-Length: 328 Joerg Schilling wrote: > Adding "-/" to Sun tar was denied by me for good reasons: it breaks compatibility. > Actually, wasn't this allowed for star, but would be required to allow star to replace tar. Wasn't that this issue? (Which also explains why gnu got what you seen to believe was preferential treatment.) - jek3 From jek3@sun.com Thu Nov 8 14:53:28 2007 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA8MrRmp012858 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:53:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA8MrDei001397; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:53:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JR700B0BM8S8K00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:53:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.17.63]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JR70063XM8R6X70@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:53:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [129.150.12.137] (vpn-129-150-12-137.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.150.12.137]) by jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com (8.14.1+Sun/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA8MrDN8362966; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:53:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:52:53 -1000 From: Joseph Kowalski Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <4732f25e.GWF9CzCBFrwLyMkE%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> To: Joerg Schilling Cc: gdamore@sun.com, PSARC-ext@sun.com, James.D.Carlson@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com, Casper.Dik@sun.com Message-id: <47339345.5060000@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <200711061935.lA6JZ84e022328@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> <4730c3f9.yrGYeGk7u9fMJeiQ%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <18224.52200.622566.948472@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <4730d6e9.VPrVXI2oKu6mxvex%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <200711062133.lA6LXggO016644@dm-holland-02.uk.sun.com> <4730F72A.1090605@sun.com> <473196ad.w3GfAXfwZLtY+9fj%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4731DCB0.3000004@sun.com> <47323962.9050702@sun.com> <4732f25e.GWF9CzCBFrwLyMkE%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0b2 (X11/20070227) Status: RO Content-Length: 765 Joerg Schilling wrote: >>> You can break it up across multiple people. Code doesn't get putback >>> to Solaris without at least two sets of eyes looking at it. Whether >>> it has 1 line of change, or 1M lines of change. >>> >>> >> I realize this is the philosophy, but it doesn't really apply to FOSS >> code we import. Usually a review happens at the packaging and >> documentation level. >> > > As I mentioned already, if GNU tar did have a code review, it could not make > it into Solaris. > > Why should star be treated worse than GNU tar? > Did you read what I said? I was supporting your abjection for a full code review. Let me very clear: I was disputing Garrett's assertion that full code review was required (for FOSS). - jek3 From jek3@sun.com Thu Nov 8 15:00:53 2007 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA8N0r9n013195 for ; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 15:00:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA8N0l7i025599; Thu, 8 Nov 2007 16:00:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JR700B01MLDLQ00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:00:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.17.59]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JR700639MLC7E70@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:00:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from [129.150.12.137] (vpn-129-150-12-137.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.150.12.137]) by jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com (8.14.1+Sun/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA8N0gHO365094; Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:00:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 13:00:22 -1000 From: Joseph Kowalski Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <4733383A.1030209@Sun.COM> To: Darren J Moffat Cc: Joerg Schilling , gdamore@sun.com, psarc-ext@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com Message-id: <47339506.8080708@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <200711061957.lA6JvfAO022809@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> <4730d317.HedXPInlBcSZYWgw%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4730E579.1080008@sun.com> <4730e6e1.LgkXdeOzjzXGDRej%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4730EADA.7030905@sun.com> <473193bf.f8tWumjQFR0ghHt0%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <473232E3.7060706@sun.com> <4732f144.FGL0muZHE6C4wmaC%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <47333351.20106@sun.com> <4733369b.XLwdZHvI7BM7h0s2%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4733383A.1030209@Sun.COM> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0b2 (X11/20070227) Status: RO Content-Length: 138 Darren J Moffat wrote: > STOP STOP STOP > > NOT THIS CASE. Right, SORRY. Sorry about the late postings (replies in mail order). - jek3 From Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de Fri Nov 9 02:38:32 2007 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA9AcV9t025234 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 02:38:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA9AcHfm020640; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:38:27 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JR800103IUWE700@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 02:37:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com ([192.18.98.34]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JR800JGMIUVDH40@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 02:37:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay12i.sun.com (ip122.net129179-4.block1.us.syntegra.com [129.179.4.122]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lA9AX9Zj023553; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:37:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mmp14es.sun.com ([160.41.209.24] [160.41.209.24]) by relay12i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-53519; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:37:42 +0000 (Z) Received: from relay17i.sun.com (relay17i.sun.com [129.179.4.127]) by mmp14es.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-53236; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:37:42 +0000 (Z) Received: from mailgwb1.fraunhofer.de ([153.96.87.18] [153.96.87.18]) by relay1i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-204404; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:37:42 +0000 (Z) Received: from mailgwb1.fraunhofer.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgwb1.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lA9Abe3b029716; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:37:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de [195.37.77.164]) by mailgwb1.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lA9Abd9K029649 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:37:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de (bohr [10.147.9.231]) by pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (8.13.7/8.13.7) with SMTP id lA9AbUhC000055; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:37:30 +0100 (MET) Received: from burner ([10.147.65.166]) by EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:37:30 +0100 Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:36:49 +0100 From: Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <47339129.3090306@sun.com> To: jek3@sun.com Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com Message-id: <47343841.qWu/BKehdk1VpUDV%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Fraunhofer-Email-Policy: accepted References: <200711061957.lA6JvfAO022809@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> <4730d317.HedXPInlBcSZYWgw%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4730E579.1080008@sun.com> <4730e6e1.LgkXdeOzjzXGDRej%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4730EADA.7030905@sun.com> <473193bf.f8tWumjQFR0ghHt0%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <473232E3.7060706@sun.com> <4732f144.FGL0muZHE6C4wmaC%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <47339129.3090306@sun.com> User-Agent: nail 11.22 3/20/05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2007 10:37:30.0567 (UTC) FILETIME=[87AF5570:01C822BC] Status: RO Content-Length: 695 Joseph Kowalski wrote: > > I am not willing to disable the new features as this does not make sense > > and causes a high workload. > > > Deja Vu! Then we are at the same impass we reached before. I presented > two options: > > 1) Get the new features reviewed. > 2) Disable/Remove them. Please send a pointer to the GNU tar material for the comparable case. Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de Fri Nov 9 02:45:32 2007 Received: from sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA9AjVB2025360 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 02:45:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA9Ai1Wd014507; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 18:44:37 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JR800103J67WE00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 02:44:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.98.43]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JR800JTXJ67DP50@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 02:44:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay13i.sun.com (ip123.net129179-4.block1.us.syntegra.com [129.179.4.123]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lA9AexBP015762; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:44:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mmp12es.sun.com ([160.41.209.22] [160.41.209.22]) by relay13i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-53788; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:44:31 +0000 (Z) Received: from relay11i.sun.com (relay11i.sun.com [129.179.4.121]) by mmp12es.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-664599; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:44:30 +0000 (Z) Received: from mailgw2.fraunhofer.de ([153.96.1.19] [153.96.1.19]) by relay1i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-203516; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:44:30 +0000 (Z) Received: from mailgw2.fraunhofer.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw2.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lA9AiTAg018493; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:44:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de [195.37.77.164]) by mailgw2.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lA9AgWrY009920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:42:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de (bohr [10.147.9.231]) by pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (8.13.7/8.13.7) with SMTP id lA9AgSZI000540; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:42:28 +0100 (MET) Received: from burner ([10.147.65.166]) by EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:42:28 +0100 Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:41:48 +0100 From: Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <47339203.8090802@sun.com> To: JEK3@sun.com Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com, bart.smaalders@sun.com Message-id: <4734396c.+HKSgB3bCNlnR9MX%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Fraunhofer-Email-Policy: accepted References: <200711061957.lA6JvfAO022809@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> <4730d317.HedXPInlBcSZYWgw%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4730DA9A.70809@Sun.COM> <4730e60d.fdfjPeY5zH10Dua5%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4730FB0A.7050107@sun.com> <473196d7.iGYBEfqiz1WN/byl%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <473234B8.6020305@sun.com> <4732f207.dSRDOtfjy40oPciC%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <47339203.8090802@sun.com> User-Agent: nail 11.22 3/20/05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2007 10:42:28.0996 (UTC) FILETIME=[398FFC40:01C822BD] Status: RO Content-Length: 1075 Joseph Kowalski wrote: > Joerg Schilling wrote: > > Adding "-/" to Sun tar was denied by me for good reasons: it breaks compatibility. > > > Fine. This is basically that you refused to implement the equivalent of > a TCR. Wrong: I take comptibility seriously and this is why I reject attempts to introduce imcompatibility. Adding "-/" to Sun tar _did_ introduce incompatibility, this is why it has been rejected. Implementing _features_ is a completely different playground..... Implementing a feature for "-/" that does not mean: -/ don't strip leading '/'s from file names Is introducing imcompatiblity. So my advise for Sun tar: implement the feature but use a differenr option name that does not introduce incompatibility. Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de Fri Nov 9 02:48:35 2007 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA9AmZvj025417 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 02:48:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA9AmWVO058092; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 03:48:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JR80010JJCWMP00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 02:48:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.98.31]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JR8008NJJCVAT60@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 02:48:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay22.sun.com (relay22.sun.com [192.12.251.34] (may be forged)) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lA9AiLP4026809; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:48:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mms25es.sun.com ([150.143.232.94] [150.143.232.94]) by relay22i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-138958; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:48:31 +0000 (Z) Received: from relay23.sun.com (relay23.sun.com [192.12.251.54]) by mms25es.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-1721730; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:48:30 +0000 (Z) Received: from mailgw2.fraunhofer.de ([153.96.1.19] [153.96.1.19]) by relay23i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-1826842; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:48:30 +0000 (Z) Received: from mailgw2.fraunhofer.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw2.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lA9AmTPq008125; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:48:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de [195.37.77.164]) by mailgw2.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lA9AiFZ0017513 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:44:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de (bohr [10.147.9.231]) by pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (8.13.7/8.13.7) with SMTP id lA9AiFvk000755; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:44:15 +0100 (MET) Received: from burner ([10.147.65.166]) by EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:44:15 +0100 Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:43:35 +0100 From: Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <4733929D.4050208@sun.com> To: jek3@sun.com Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com, bart.smaalders@sun.com Message-id: <473439d7.S/1YaVJOpBel7cBg%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Fraunhofer-Email-Policy: accepted References: <200711061957.lA6JvfAO022809@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> <4730d317.HedXPInlBcSZYWgw%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4730DA9A.70809@Sun.COM> <4730e60d.fdfjPeY5zH10Dua5%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4730FB0A.7050107@sun.com> <473196d7.iGYBEfqiz1WN/byl%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <473234B8.6020305@sun.com> <4732f207.dSRDOtfjy40oPciC%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4733929D.4050208@sun.com> User-Agent: nail 11.22 3/20/05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2007 10:44:15.0905 (UTC) FILETIME=[79490110:01C822BD] Status: RO Content-Length: 811 Joseph Kowalski wrote: > Joerg Schilling wrote: > > Adding "-/" to Sun tar was denied by me for good reasons: it breaks compatibility. > > > Actually, wasn't this allowed for star, but would be required to allow > star to replace tar. > Wasn't that this issue? (Which also explains why gnu got what you seen > to believe was > preferential treatment.) PSARC 2004/480 of course did allow "-/" for star. This is why the attempt to indroduce a different meaning for Sun tar was rejected. Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de Fri Nov 9 02:48:56 2007 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA9Amu4u025434 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 02:48:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA9AmrJU011231; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 02:48:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JR800I09JDHWN00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 03:48:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.98.31]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JR8009J2JDGFRD0@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 03:48:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay25.sun.com (relay21.sun.com [192.12.251.14] (may be forged)) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lA99tOvs008313; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:48:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mms23es.sun.com ([150.143.232.54] [150.143.232.54]) by relay25i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-131107; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:48:52 +0000 (Z) Received: from relay23.sun.com (relay23.sun.com [192.12.251.54]) by mms23es.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-1735425; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:48:52 +0000 (Z) Received: from mailgw12.fraunhofer.de ([153.96.1.24] [153.96.1.24]) by relay23i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-1827449; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:48:51 +0000 (Z) Received: from mailgw12.fraunhofer.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw12.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lA9AmoDK021747; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:48:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de [195.37.77.164]) by mailgw12.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lA9AmmPj021687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:48:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de (bohr [10.147.9.231]) by pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (8.13.7/8.13.7) with SMTP id lA9Aj2vM000798; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:45:02 +0100 (MET) Received: from burner ([10.147.65.166]) by EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:45:02 +0100 Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:44:21 +0100 From: Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <47339345.5060000@sun.com> To: JEK3@sun.com Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, James.D.Carlson@sun.com, gdamore@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com, Casper.Dik@sun.com Message-id: <47343a05.zQ6nFxWp4magLwNv%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Fraunhofer-Email-Policy: accepted References: <200711061935.lA6JZ84e022328@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> <4730c3f9.yrGYeGk7u9fMJeiQ%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <18224.52200.622566.948472@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <4730d6e9.VPrVXI2oKu6mxvex%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <200711062133.lA6LXggO016644@dm-holland-02.uk.sun.com> <4730F72A.1090605@sun.com> <473196ad.w3GfAXfwZLtY+9fj%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4731DCB0.3000004@sun.com> <47323962.9050702@sun.com> <4732f25e.GWF9CzCBFrwLyMkE%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <47339345.5060000@sun.com> User-Agent: nail 11.22 3/20/05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2007 10:45:02.0750 (UTC) FILETIME=[9534FBE0:01C822BD] Status: RO Content-Length: 1180 Joseph Kowalski wrote: > Joerg Schilling wrote: > >>> You can break it up across multiple people. Code doesn't get putback > >>> to Solaris without at least two sets of eyes looking at it. Whether > >>> it has 1 line of change, or 1M lines of change. > >>> > >>> > >> I realize this is the philosophy, but it doesn't really apply to FOSS > >> code we import. Usually a review happens at the packaging and > >> documentation level. > >> > > > > As I mentioned already, if GNU tar did have a code review, it could not make > > it into Solaris. > > > > Why should star be treated worse than GNU tar? > > > Did you read what I said? > > I was supporting your abjection for a full code review. > > Let me very clear: I was disputing Garrett's assertion that full code > review was required (for FOSS). Sorry, but i do not understand your point. Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From Darren.Moffat@sun.com Fri Nov 9 02:58:37 2007 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA9AwbA5025810 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 02:58:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA9AwX7i000774; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:58:33 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JR800207JTJKT00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 02:58:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from gmp-eb-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.6.21]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JR800JSFJTIDF50@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 02:58:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-emea-09.sun.com (gmp-eb-lb-2-fe1.eu.sun.com [192.18.6.10]) by gmp-eb-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lA9AwUKK006486; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:58:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-emea-09.sun.com by fe-emea-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JR800E01JAVQV00@fe-emea-09.sun.com> (original mail from Darren.Moffat@Sun.COM); Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:58:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [129.156.173.21] by fe-emea-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JR8007YLJTDFW00@fe-emea-09.sun.com>; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:58:26 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:58:25 +0000 From: Darren J Moffat Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <4734396c.+HKSgB3bCNlnR9MX%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Sender: Darren.Moffat@sun.com To: Joerg Schilling Cc: jek3@sun.com, PSARC-ext@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com, bart.smaalders@sun.com Message-id: <47343D51.1090305@Sun.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <200711061957.lA6JvfAO022809@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> <4730d317.HedXPInlBcSZYWgw%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4730DA9A.70809@Sun.COM> <4730e60d.fdfjPeY5zH10Dua5%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4730FB0A.7050107@sun.com> <473196d7.iGYBEfqiz1WN/byl%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <473234B8.6020305@sun.com> <4732f207.dSRDOtfjy40oPciC%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <47339203.8090802@sun.com> <4734396c.+HKSgB3bCNlnR9MX%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070924) Status: RO Content-Length: 188 How many times do you have to be told this discussion is NOT appropriate for *this* case please stop now and send no further emails to this now closed approved case. -- Darren J Moffat From Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de Fri Nov 9 03:16:28 2007 Received: from sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA9BGMNQ025972 for ; 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Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:12:35 +0100 Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:11:54 +0100 From: Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Subject: Re: Move GNU tar to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/628 FastTrack timeout 11/08/2007] In-reply-to: <47343D51.1090305@Sun.COM> To: Darren.Moffat@sun.com Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, jek3@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com, Craig.Mohrman@sun.com, bart.smaalders@sun.com Message-id: <4734407a.wW47Cd+6dvLl/F6K%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Fraunhofer-Email-Policy: accepted References: <200711061957.lA6JvfAO022809@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> <4730d317.HedXPInlBcSZYWgw%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4730DA9A.70809@Sun.COM> <4730e60d.fdfjPeY5zH10Dua5%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4730FB0A.7050107@sun.com> <473196d7.iGYBEfqiz1WN/byl%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <473234B8.6020305@sun.com> <4732f207.dSRDOtfjy40oPciC%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <47339203.8090802@sun.com> <4734396c.+HKSgB3bCNlnR9MX%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <47343D51.1090305@Sun.COM> User-Agent: nail 11.22 3/20/05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2007 11:12:35.0808 (UTC) FILETIME=[6E819E00:01C822C1] Status: RO Content-Length: 586 Darren J Moffat wrote: > How many times do you have to be told this discussion is NOT appropriate > for *this* case please stop now and send no further emails to this now > closed approved case. If you do not propose a better "location" this is not possible. Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From dwc@spartan.eng.sun.com Thu Nov 29 17:28:03 2007 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lAU1S2IX021613 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:28:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lAU1Rl4L011959; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 01:27:58 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JSA00M0BPEGGR00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:27:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM ([129.146.226.64]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JSA00GCAPEFNQE0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:27:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lAU1RpK4004768; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:27:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dwc@localhost) by spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6/Submit) id lAU1Rpu0004767; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:27:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:27:51 -0800 (PST) From: Don Cragun Subject: support materials added to PSARC/2007/628 To: PSARC-ext@Sun.COM Cc: Craig.Mohrman@Sun.COM Message-id: <200711300127.lAU1Rpu0004767@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 Status: RO Content-Length: 582 The case materials presented for this case stated that gtar was being updated from version 1.14 to version 1.17, but did not explicitly list the differences in options provided by the new version. For the record, four files have been added to the materials directory: 1. Option_Changes describes changes in options provided by version 1.17. 2. Three info files (tar.info-1, tar.info-2, and tar.info_1.17). These provide full documentation on version 1.17. All three are viewable using the command: info -f tar.info_1.17 This case remains closed approved. - Don From Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de Fri Nov 30 02:20:09 2007 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lAUAK9lD002315 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 02:20:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lAUAK4ul005866; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 02:20:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JSB00G0VE1HZW00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 03:20:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from sca-ea-mail-3.sun.com ([192.18.43.21]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JSB00EOLE1F8RE0@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 03:20:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from relay41i.sun.com ([192.5.209.70]) by sca-ea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lAUAK3cI015767; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:20:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mms49es.sun.com ([160.41.221.233] [160.41.221.233]) by relay41i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-1381139; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:20:03 +0000 (Z) Received: from relay42i.sun.com ([192.5.209.72] [192.5.209.72]) by mms49es.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-853087; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:20:03 +0000 (Z) Received: from mailgw2.fraunhofer.de ([153.96.1.19] [153.96.1.19]) by relay4i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-15210398; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:20:02 +0000 (Z) Received: from mailgw2.fraunhofer.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw2.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lAUAJu7O024371; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:19:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de [195.37.77.164]) by mailgw2.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lAUAJrR6024190 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:19:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de (bohr [10.147.9.231]) by pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (8.13.7/8.13.7) with SMTP id lAUAJr1F015051; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:19:53 +0100 (MET) Received: from burner ([10.147.65.166]) by EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:19:53 +0100 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:19:53 +0100 From: Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Subject: Re: support materials added to PSARC/2007/628 In-reply-to: <200711300127.lAU1Rpu0004767@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> To: PSARC-ext@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com Cc: Craig.Mohrman@sun.com Message-id: <474fe3c9.Hb1O+SrmaV+chRDX%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Fraunhofer-Email-Policy: accepted References: <200711300127.lAU1Rpu0004767@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> User-Agent: nail 11.22 3/20/05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2007 10:19:53.0322 (UTC) FILETIME=[8C314CA0:01C8333A] Status: RO Content-Length: 945 Don Cragun wrote: > The case materials presented for this case stated that gtar was being > updated from version 1.14 to version 1.17, but did not explicitly list > the differences in options provided by the new version. > > For the record, four files have been added to the materials directory: > 1. Option_Changes describes changes in options provided by version > 1.17. > 2. Three info files (tar.info-1, tar.info-2, and tar.info_1.17). > These provide full documentation on version 1.17. All three are > viewable using the command: > info -f tar.info_1.17 Does this mean that Sun tries to avoid GPL-v3? Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From craig.mohrman@sun.com Fri Nov 30 08:22:34 2007 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lAUGMYuE008773 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:22:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lAUGMWAI023749; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:22:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JSB00G05UTKDD00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:22:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.17.59]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JSB00I8DUTJ4SD0@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:22:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from [129.146.226.160] (shortty.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.226.160]) by jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com (8.14.2+Sun/8.14.2) with ESMTP id lAUGMUc3933785; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:22:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:22:29 -0800 From: Craig Mohrman Subject: Re: support materials added to PSARC/2007/628 In-reply-to: <474fe3c9.Hb1O+SrmaV+chRDX%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> To: Joerg Schilling Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com Message-id: <475038C5.10707@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <200711300127.lAU1Rpu0004767@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> <474fe3c9.Hb1O+SrmaV+chRDX%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0b2 (X11/20070411) Status: RO Content-Length: 177 Joerg Schilling wrote: > > Does this mean that Sun tries to avoid GPL-v3? > > Jörg > We've been told by legal to not expect approval of GPL-v3 components any time soon. craig