From dwc@sac.sfbay.sun.com Thu Nov 1 22:00:44 2007 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA250ioo004722 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2007 22:00:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA24v54p016286; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 04:57:07 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JQV002014F6S000@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:57:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm-sfbay-02.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.11.31]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JQV00MSG4F5GW60@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:57:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sac.sfbay.sun.com (new-sac.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.175.65]) by dm-sfbay-02.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA24v5Wg056141; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:57:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sac.sfbay.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA250dBV004714; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 22:00:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dwc@localhost) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/Submit) id lA250dFn004710; Thu, 01 Nov 2007 22:00:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 22:00:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Cragun Subject: Move ant from /usr/sfw/bin to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/629 Self Review] To: PSARC-ext@sun.com Cc: April.Chin@sun.com Message-id: <200711020500.lA250dFn004710@sac.sfbay.sun.com> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 Status: RO Content-Length: 3449 I am submitting this case for April Chin. It seeks a minor release binding. I believe it qualifies for self review and am marking it closed approved. If anyone disagrees, let me know and I will change it to a fast track with the normal one week timer. Cheers, Don Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.64 07/13/07 SMI This information is Copyright 2007 Sun Microsystems 1. Introduction 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: Move ant from /usr/sfw/bin to /usr/bin 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: Author: April Chin 1.3 Date of This Document: 01 November, 2007 4. Technical Description 4.1 Summary Ant is a open source platform-independent, Java-based build tool, similar to "make". It uses Java classes and XML-based configuration files and is best suited for building Java projects. Ant was initially introduced into Solaris with PSARC/2002/232 Addition of Jakarta Ant. This project moves ant files from /usr/sfw/bin to /usr/bin. Locations of documentation and Java class files will also be moved from /usr/sfw to /usr/share. 4.2 Details Per Ant documentation, many open source Java projects build with Ant (see http://ant.apache.org/faq.html#history). Applications within Sun/Solaris which use ant and have dependencies on the /usr/sfw/bin (Ant binaries) and/or /usr/sfw/lib/ant (Ant Java classes) locations include: - Tomcat - Postgres - SunOne Application Server - Web applications on Satellite framework servers - iPlanet web server - Portalserver - Java Studio Appserver - JDS CBE (Java Desktop System Common Build Environment) The /usr/sfw/bin ant binaries will move to /usr/bin, and symbolic links from their old locations to the new ones will be left behind. The /usr/sfw/lib/ant directory and its contents will move to /usr/share/lib/ant, and /usr/sfw/lib/ant will become a symbolic link from /usr/sfw/lib/ant to the new directory location. The manpage and documentation will move from /usr/sfw/share to /usr/share; no symbolic links will be left at the old locations. 4.2.1 Binaries Old Location New Location /usr/sfw/bin/ant /usr/bin/ant /usr/sfw/bin/ant becomes a symlink to ../../bin/ant /usr/sfw/bin/antRun /usr/bin/antRun /usr/sfw/bin/antRun becomes a symlink to ../../bin/antRun /usr/sfw/bin/antRun.pl /usr/bin/antRun.pl /usr/sfw/bin/antRun.pl becomes a symlink to ../../bin/antRun.pl /usr/sfw/bin/complete-ant-cmd.pl /usr/bin/complete-ant-cmd.pl /usr/sfw/bin/complete-ant-cmd.pl becomes a symlink to ../../bin/complete-ant-cmd.pl 4.2.2 Java class files Old Location New Location /usr/sfw/lib/ant/ (directory) /usr/share/lib/ant Former directory /usr/sfw/lib/ant becomes a symbolic link to the ../../../share/lib/ant directory. 4.2.3 Documentation Old Location New Location /usr/sfw/share/man/man1/ant.1 /usr/share/man/man1/ant.1 /usr/sfw/doc/ant/ /usr/share/doc/ant/ The /usr/sfw/doc/ant/ directory contains a hierarchy of manuals and web documents. 5. References PSARC/2002/232 Addition of Jakarta Ant PSARC 2007/345: Move GNU make to /usr/bin PSARC 2004/742: Move gcc, gnumake, binutils and bison from CCD to WOS PSARC 2005/185: Enabling Serendipitous Discovery http://ant.apache.org 6. Resources and Schedule 6.4. Steering Committee requested information 6.4.1. Consolidation C-team Name: SFW 6.5. ARC review type: Automatic 6.6. ARC Exposure: open From gww@eng.sun.com Fri Nov 2 10:05:49 2007 Received: from sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA2H5mY5016867 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 10:05:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA2H25GV001658 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 01:02:13 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JQW00A151ZKJU00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:02:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from engmail3mpk.sfbay.Sun.COM ([129.146.11.26]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JQW009T31ZKPY00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:02:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from marduk.eng.sun.com (marduk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.108.224]) by engmail3mpk.sfbay.Sun.COM (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA2H27Sp012889; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:02:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marduk.eng.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by marduk.eng.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id lA2I2Dau014992; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:02:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gww@localhost) by marduk.eng.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id lA2I2DfN014991; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:02:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:02:13 -0800 (PST) From: Gary Winiger Subject: Re: Move ant from /usr/sfw/bin to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/629 Self Review] To: PSARC-ext@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com Cc: April.Chin@sun.com Message-id: <200711021802.lA2I2DfN014991@marduk.eng.sun.com> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 Status: RO Content-Length: 365 > I am submitting this case for April Chin. > It seeks a minor release binding. > > I believe it qualifies for self review and am marking it closed > approved. If anyone disagrees, let me know and I will change it to a > fast track with the normal one week timer. Lets have the whole chunk. Is there some reason that these need to be done piece meal? Gary.. From gww@eng.sun.com Fri Nov 2 10:10:19 2007 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA2HAJYq016975 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 10:10:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA2H6hUZ000955 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 10:06:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JQW00E1B276OZ00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:06:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from engmail3mpk.sfbay.Sun.COM ([129.146.11.26]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JQW00963276AQC0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:06:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marduk.eng.sun.com (marduk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.108.224]) by engmail3mpk.sfbay.Sun.COM (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA2H6f5Q013622; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:06:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marduk.eng.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by marduk.eng.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id lA2I6lYY015019; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:06:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gww@localhost) by marduk.eng.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id lA2I6lHA015018; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:06:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:06:47 -0800 (PST) From: Gary Winiger Subject: Re: Move ant from /usr/sfw/bin to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/629 Self Review] To: PSARC-ext@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com, gww@eng.sun.com Cc: April.Chin@sun.com Message-id: <200711021806.lA2I6lHA015018@marduk.eng.sun.com> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 Status: RO Content-Length: 485 > Lets have the whole chunk. Is there some reason that these > need to be done piece meal? If there isn't consider the recent ones derailed or waiting need spec until the big picture becomes available. I trust the case owner will choose between derail and waiting need spec and update the IAMs appropriately. If there is a reason, please state it. Perhaps it's to meet some critical business need, then please group those together and say what the need may be. Gary.. From David.Comay@Sun.COM Fri Nov 2 10:21:56 2007 Received: from sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA2HLtoM017280 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 10:21:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA2HIFkh009133; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 01:18:16 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JQW00F0F2QEB100@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:18:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from izimbra.SFBay.Sun.COM ([129.146.226.141]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JQW009XA2QEAIA0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:18:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by izimbra.SFBay.Sun.COM (8.14.1+Sun/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA2HICD2002152; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:18:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:18:10 -0700 (PDT) From: David.Comay@Sun.COM Subject: Re: Move ant from /usr/sfw/bin to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/629 Self Review] In-reply-to: <200711021802.lA2I2DfN014991@marduk.eng.sun.com> Sender: comay@izimbra.sfbay.sun.com To: Gary Winiger Cc: PSARC-ext@Sun.COM, don.cragun@Sun.COM, April.Chin@Sun.COM Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <200711021802.lA2I2DfN014991@marduk.eng.sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 941 >> I believe it qualifies for self review and am marking it closed >> approved. If anyone disagrees, let me know and I will change it to a >> fast track with the normal one week timer. > > Lets have the whole chunk. Is there some reason that these > need to be done piece meal? Do you mean a case for moving the contents of all of /usr/sfw out to their expected location? I've been intending to file an overall case covering such details but have been side-tracked as of late working on the Open^H^H^H^H The-release-that-shall-not-be-named :-) prototype so I haven't had the time to finalize the details of the overall case (given there are over 30,000 files to track down). So in the meantime, I suggested to April and the others doing the hard work to continue with the individual cases until I can finish tracking down the details for the overall case. Is there an issue with having these individual cases coming one-by-one? dsc From don.cragun@sun.com Fri Nov 2 10:22:51 2007 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA2HMoZw017346 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 10:22:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA2HJ0r9026570; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 17:19:13 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JQW00B072RYQF00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:19:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM ([129.146.226.64]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JQW008SD2RXHP20@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:19:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM (spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.226.64]) by spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6) with SMTP id lA2HJ9FR009980; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:19:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:19:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Cragun Subject: Re: Move ant from /usr/sfw/bin to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/629 Self Review] To: PSARC-ext@sun.com Cc: April.Chin@sun.com, Tim.Sparlin@sun.com Reply-to: Don Cragun Message-id: <200711021719.lA2HJ9FR009980@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.5.5 SunOS 5.9 sun4u sparc Content-type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-MD5: 9adRrzCpN6JdWhQSy4ou0w== X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 Status: RO Content-Length: 624 >Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:02:13 -0800 (PST) >From: Gary Winiger > > Lets have the whole chunk. Is there some reason that these > need to be done piece meal? > >Gary.. Upper management wants to see weekly progress on OpenSolaris project issues. April, Basabi, Carol, Cindy, and Craig and lower management will get dinged on performance reviews if they wait to put them all in a single case when everything is ready at the end. However, I imagine that they could put together a list of utilities that are currently on the roadmap if it will help evaluate the little cases as they come through. - Don From David.Comay@sun.com Fri Nov 2 10:30:45 2007 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA2HUjed017363 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 10:30:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA2HRAJp023935; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 10:27:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JQW00C03359HC00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:27:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from izimbra.SFBay.Sun.COM ([129.146.226.141]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JQW009PY358PZ20@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:27:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by izimbra.SFBay.Sun.COM (8.14.1+Sun/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA2HR7FD002196; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:27:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:27:07 -0700 (PDT) From: David.Comay@sun.com Subject: Re: Move ant from /usr/sfw/bin to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/629 Self Review] In-reply-to: <200711021806.lA2I6lHA015018@marduk.eng.sun.com> Sender: comay@izimbra.sfbay.sun.com To: Gary Winiger Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com, April.Chin@sun.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <200711021806.lA2I6lHA015018@marduk.eng.sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 952 > If there isn't consider the recent ones derailed or waiting > need spec until the big picture becomes available. I trust > the case owner will choose between derail and waiting need > spec and update the IAMs appropriately. If there is a reason, > please state it. Perhaps it's to meet some critical business > need, then please group those together and say what the need > may be. The big picture is that the components delivered under /usr/sfw should instead be delivered in their "expected" locations per PSARC 2005/185 Enabling serendipitous discovery and other related cases including PSARC 2007/047 /usr/gnu The intent is to move the existing components that are under /usr/sfw and as I mentioned in an earlier email, there hasn't been an overall case that covers the whole wad due to time constraints and in my opinion, making progress on individual components made sense while waiting for a case that covers the rest. dsc From gww@eng.sun.com Fri Nov 2 10:33:28 2007 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA2HXRIJ017399 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 10:33:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA2HTfQ7002394 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@Sun.COM>; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 17:29:51 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JQW00C0539OSR00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@Sun.COM (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.COM); Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:29:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm-eng-02.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.11.32]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JQW008P539OHH30@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@Sun.COM (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.COM); Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:29:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marduk.eng.sun.com (marduk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.108.224]) by dm-eng-02.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA2HTlpV036437; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:29:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marduk.eng.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by marduk.eng.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id lA2ITr1r015084; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:29:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gww@localhost) by marduk.eng.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id lA2ITrQF015083; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:29:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:29:53 -0800 (PST) From: Gary Winiger Subject: Re: Move ant from /usr/sfw/bin to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/629 Self Review] To: gww@eng.sun.com, David.Comay@sun.com Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com, April.Chin@sun.com Message-id: <200711021829.lA2ITrQF015083@marduk.eng.sun.com> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 Status: RO Content-Length: 1620 > >> I believe it qualifies for self review and am marking it closed > >> approved. If anyone disagrees, let me know and I will change it to a > >> fast track with the normal one week timer. > > > > Lets have the whole chunk. Is there some reason that these > > need to be done piece meal? > > Do you mean a case for moving the contents of all of /usr/sfw out to > their expected location? I've been intending to file an overall case > covering such details but have been side-tracked as of late working on > the Open^H^H^H^H The-release-that-shall-not-be-named :-) prototype so I > haven't had the time to finalize the details of the overall case (given > there are over 30,000 files to track down). So in the meantime, I > suggested to April and the others doing the hard work to continue with > the individual cases until I can finish tracking down the details for > the overall case. > > Is there an issue with having these individual cases coming > one-by-one? Yup. That's my point. Particularly when they lead to questions of what are the other related components. Certainly we have some idea of chunks of related stuff, 30,000 individual cases seems the wrong way to do things. Perhaps some big picture proposal and then a here's the first chunk. Perhaps you're saying the big picture is alread there. "Let's get stuff to where folk will find it" -- Bart's case last year, or maybe earlier this year. I've no objections to moving the stuff to where it should have been all along (in retrospect), nor that it's self review, it's seeing things that appear related coming piece meal. Gary.. From gww@eng.sun.com Fri Nov 2 10:37:32 2007 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA2HbWBU017449 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 10:37:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA2HXuli025672 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 10:33:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JQW00C013GLZ300@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:33:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dm-eng-02.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.11.32]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JQW009U83GKPZ20@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:33:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from marduk.eng.sun.com (marduk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.108.224]) by dm-eng-02.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA2HXuAn039164; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:33:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marduk.eng.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by marduk.eng.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id lA2IY1Oh015105; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:34:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gww@localhost) by marduk.eng.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id lA2IY19X015104; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:34:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:34:01 -0800 (PST) From: Gary Winiger Subject: Re: Move ant from /usr/sfw/bin to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/629 Self Review] To: PSARC-ext@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com Cc: April.Chin@sun.com, Tim.Sparlin@sun.com Message-id: <200711021834.lA2IY19X015104@marduk.eng.sun.com> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 Status: RO Content-Length: 814 > Upper management wants to see weekly progress on OpenSolaris project > issues. April, Basabi, Carol, Cindy, and Craig and lower management > will get dinged on performance reviews if they wait to put them all in > a single case when everything is ready at the end. I'm certainly not asking for anyone to be marked down on their performance. Upper management can't be that mico-managing, I'd expect they have some sort of end game in mind and have layed out an agreed to time line to get that end accomplished. > However, I imagine that they could put together a list of utilities > that are currently on the roadmap if it will help evaluate the little > cases as they come through. Sure. What's the end game and what are the incremental chunks, how do they relate to good architecture......? Gary.. From gww@eng.sun.com Fri Nov 2 10:43:30 2007 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA2HhToF017657 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 10:43:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA2Hds9A013517 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 11:39:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JQW00D013QGVQ00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:39:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm-eng-02.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.11.32]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JQW008983QGHQ40@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:39:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marduk.eng.sun.com (marduk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.108.224]) by dm-eng-02.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA2Hdqam041990; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:39:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marduk.eng.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by marduk.eng.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id lA2IdwwF015118; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:39:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gww@localhost) by marduk.eng.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id lA2IdvCs015117; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:39:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:39:57 -0800 (PST) From: Gary Winiger Subject: Re: Move ant from /usr/sfw/bin to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/629 Self Review] To: gww@eng.sun.com, David.Comay@sun.com Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com, April.Chin@sun.com Message-id: <200711021839.lA2IdvCs015117@marduk.eng.sun.com> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 Status: RO Content-Length: 883 > The big picture is that the components delivered under /usr/sfw should > instead be delivered in their "expected" locations per > > PSARC 2005/185 Enabling serendipitous discovery I guessed that. And 30,000 closed self reviews doesn't make sense to me. Are there really 30K thing in the /usr/sfw tree today? > and other related cases including > > PSARC 2007/047 /usr/gnu > > The intent is to move the existing components that are under /usr/sfw > and as I mentioned in an earlier email, there hasn't been an overall > case that covers the whole wad due to time constraints and in my > opinion, making progress on individual components made sense while > waiting for a case that covers the rest. I guess we're having email skew, I'll shut up for a while and work on my "Day Job". I think I've made my point of seeing the forrest rather than the trees. Gary.. From gdamore@sun.com Fri Nov 2 11:13:52 2007 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA2IDpCH019278 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 11:13:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA2IAAJc021252; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 18:10:13 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JQW00I075502X00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:10:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.43.133]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JQW00HPW54ZFR00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:10:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lA2IABkG004346; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:10:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JQW00E014DUZ500@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> (original mail from gdamore@sun.com) ; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:10:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.251.106] ([76.174.83.55]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JQW00FAU54V2010@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com>; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:10:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:06:23 -0700 From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: Re: Move ant from /usr/sfw/bin to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/629 Self Review] In-reply-to: <200711021719.lA2HJ9FR009980@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> Sender: Garrett.Damore@sun.com To: Don Cragun Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, April.Chin@sun.com, Tim.Sparlin@sun.com Message-id: <472B671F.7070303@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <200711021719.lA2HJ9FR009980@spartan.SFBay.Sun.COM> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (X11/20070827) Status: RO Content-Length: 928 Don Cragun wrote: >> Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:02:13 -0800 (PST) >> From: Gary Winiger >> >> Lets have the whole chunk. Is there some reason that these >> need to be done piece meal? >> >> Gary.. >> > > Upper management wants to see weekly progress on OpenSolaris project > issues. April, Basabi, Carol, Cindy, and Craig and lower management > will get dinged on performance reviews if they wait to put them all in > a single case when everything is ready at the end. > That sounds kind of crummy. But instead of waiting to do them all, maybe they could be "grouped" a bit more. Sending little bits of make-work one utility at a time still seems like the wrong way to go about this. > However, I imagine that they could put together a list of utilities > that are currently on the roadmap if it will help evaluate the little > cases as they come through. > Yes, please. - Garrett From casper@holland.sun.com Fri Nov 2 11:16:07 2007 Received: from sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA2IG6JL019316 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 11:16:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA2ICTt0003425 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@Sun.COM>; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 02:12:30 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JQW00H0358T2C00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@Sun.COM (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.COM); Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:12:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm-holland-01.uk.sun.com ([129.156.101.192]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JQW0081B58QHH60@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@Sun.COM (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.COM); Fri, 02 Nov 2007 11:12:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from holland (casper@room101.Holland.Sun.COM [129.159.130.93]) by dm-holland-01.uk.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA2ICKqQ005370; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 18:12:20 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 19:12:20 +0100 From: Casper.Dik@sun.com Subject: Re: Move ant from /usr/sfw/bin to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/629 Self Review] In-reply-to: Sender: casper@holland.sun.com To: David.Comay@sun.com Cc: Gary Winiger , PSARC-ext@sun.com, don.cragun@sun.com, April.Chin@sun.com Message-id: <200711021812.lA2ICKqQ005370@dm-holland-01.uk.sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <200711021802.lA2I2DfN014991@marduk.eng.sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 1190 >Do you mean a case for moving the contents of all of /usr/sfw out to >their expected location? I've been intending to file an overall case >covering such details but have been side-tracked as of late working on >the Open^H^H^H^H The-release-that-shall-not-be-named :-) prototype so I >haven't had the time to finalize the details of the overall case (given >there are over 30,000 files to track down). So in the meantime, I >suggested to April and the others doing the hard work to continue with >the individual cases until I can finish tracking down the details for >the overall case. > >Is there an issue with having these individual cases coming >one-by-one? Yes, because it's just too much work and email to do it one by one. Is there a rule that an ARC case needs to delivered as one deliverable? If not, then put them in one case and make "staged delivery" part of the case. One important issue here is that the more cases like this we see, the less diligent we might become and then suddenly we WILL have /usr/libexec which, I think, we clearly do not want. Approving all target directories exactly once is in the best interest of both the project team and PSARC. Casper From carlsonj@phorcys.east.sun.com Fri Nov 2 11:58:55 2007 Received: from sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA2Iwsg5020872 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 11:58:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA2It8HX020669; Sat, 3 Nov 2007 02:55:13 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JQW00J0577Y6800@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 12:55:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com ([129.148.174.143]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JQW0099377YPY70@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 12:55:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.1+Sun/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA2IsYGk016189; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 14:54:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from carlsonj@localhost) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.1+Sun/8.14.1/Submit) id lA2IsYpu016186; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 14:54:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 14:54:34 -0400 From: James Carlson Subject: Re: Move ant from /usr/sfw/bin to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/629 Self Review] In-reply-to: <200711021812.lA2ICKqQ005370@dm-holland-01.uk.sun.com> To: Casper.Dik@Sun.COM Cc: David.Comay@Sun.COM, PSARC-ext@Sun.COM, April.Chin@Sun.COM, don.cragun@Sun.COM, Gary Winiger Message-id: <18219.29290.422225.206516@gargle.gargle.HOWL> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VM 7.01 under Emacs 21.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <200711021802.lA2I2DfN014991@marduk.eng.sun.com> <200711021812.lA2ICKqQ005370@dm-holland-01.uk.sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 879 Casper.Dik@Sun.COM writes: > Is there a rule that an ARC case needs to delivered as one deliverable? The ARC has no such rule, and does allow projects to specify whatever sort of delivery scheme is needed to satisfy the needs of the project. However, some consolidations do have their own rules about ARC citation that (unfortunately) require separate cases to be run. > One important issue here is that the more cases like this we see, the less > diligent we might become and then suddenly we WILL have /usr/libexec which, > I think, we clearly do not want. Yes, I agree. If we could get that one case, that'd be much better than 30,000 paper cuts. -- James Carlson, Solaris Networking Sun Microsystems / 35 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677 From John.Plocher@Sun.COM Fri Nov 2 14:24:46 2007 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA2LOjeH024784 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 14:24:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA2LL6Gm008875; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 21:21:08 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JQW00509DZ7X800@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 14:21:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.43.133]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JQW00H04DZ6FVB0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 14:21:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id lA2LL6W9025588; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 14:21:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JQW00301DO3Y400@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> (original mail from John.Plocher@Sun.COM); Fri, 02 Nov 2007 14:21:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Macintosh.local ([72.255.9.47]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JQW00139DZ5WFD0@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com>; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 14:21:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 14:21:03 -0700 From: John Plocher Subject: Re: Move ant from /usr/sfw/bin to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/629 Self Review] In-reply-to: <18219.29290.422225.206516@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Sender: John.Plocher@Sun.COM To: James Carlson Cc: Casper.Dik@Sun.COM, David.Comay@Sun.COM, Gary Winiger , April.Chin@Sun.COM, don.cragun@Sun.COM, PSARC-ext@Sun.COM Message-id: <472B94BF.5040000@Sun.Com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <200711021802.lA2I2DfN014991@marduk.eng.sun.com> <200711021812.lA2ICKqQ005370@dm-holland-01.uk.sun.com> <18219.29290.422225.206516@gargle.gargle.HOWL> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) Status: RO Content-Length: 502 James Carlson wrote: > Casper.Dik@Sun.COM writes: >> Is there a rule that an ARC case needs to delivered as one deliverable? > > The ARC has no such rule, and does allow projects to specify whatever > sort of delivery scheme is needed to satisfy the needs of the project. There is an expectation (based on managing dependencies) that a project that won't be delivering at one time or in one place put that information IN THEIR ARC PROPOSAL so that ramifications (if any) can be understood. -John From David.Comay@Sun.COM Tue Nov 6 17:23:12 2007 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA71NBqa004557 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 17:23:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lA71JTRa046914; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 18:19:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JR400L013OG1J00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:19:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from izimbra.SFBay.Sun.COM ([129.146.226.141]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JR400GVT3OGS750@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:19:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by izimbra.SFBay.Sun.COM (8.14.1+Sun/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lA71JQTd008006; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:19:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:19:26 -0800 (PST) From: David.Comay@Sun.COM Subject: Re: Move ant from /usr/sfw/bin to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/629 Self Review] In-reply-to: <200711021812.lA2ICKqQ005370@dm-holland-01.uk.sun.com> Sender: comay@izimbra.sfbay.sun.com To: Casper.Dik@Sun.COM Cc: Gary Winiger , PSARC-ext@Sun.COM, don.cragun@Sun.COM, April.Chin@Sun.COM Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <200711021802.lA2I2DfN014991@marduk.eng.sun.com> <200711021812.lA2ICKqQ005370@dm-holland-01.uk.sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 1847 >> Is there an issue with having these individual cases coming >> one-by-one? > > Yes, because it's just too much work and email to do it one by one. > > Is there a rule that an ARC case needs to delivered as one deliverable? > > If not, then put them in one case and make "staged delivery" part of > the case. That was and still is the original intention. However, it was my belief that the incremental progress offered by the individual cases made sense until the larger, clean-up-the-rest proposal was ready. > One important issue here is that the more cases like this we see, the less > diligent we might become and then suddenly we WILL have /usr/libexec which, > I think, we clearly do not want. Perhaps although I think one could also argue the fact that it was /usr/libexec showing up in the much smaller GNU tar case which caused folks to take notice. Speaking to the larger picture, /usr/sfw came into existence via PSARC 2000/487 Solaris/Linux API compatibility Over time, we've become wiser :-) and realized that hiding those components was well-intentioned, but a mistake and so the the intent of these individual cases and the larger one is simply to align the contents of /usr/sfw to the decisions made in PSARC 2005/185 Enabling serendipitous discovery PSARC 2007/047 /usr/gnu The overall intent is to eventually leave /usr/sfw as a directory with symbolic links for backwards compatibility of commands and perhaps some selected other components. So how would PSARC like to proceed? Can the currently filed cases continue on their already filed routes while we hold off on filing any new such cases? There are a couple of other fast-tracks not yet filed but getting close to being ready including one for "gcc" and "binutils". Should we continue with those as well but leave any others for the larger case? dsc From April.Chin@sun.com Thu Dec 6 15:35:12 2007 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lB6NZCBZ019203 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:35:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id lB6NZBxs028765; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:35:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JSN00C0XIUK7Z00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:35:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.17.59]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JSN003JLIUINU70@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:35:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from borel (borel.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.226.82]) by jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com (8.14.2+Sun/8.14.2) with SMTP id lB6NZ5uk993843; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 15:35:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 15:35:38 -0800 (PST) From: April Chin Subject: Re: Move ant from /usr/sfw/bin to /usr/bin [PSARC/2007/629 Self Review] To: PSARC-ext@sun.com Cc: April.Chin@sun.com Reply-to: April Chin Message-id: <200712062335.lB6NZ5uk993843@jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.7_74 SunOS 5.11 i86pc i386 Content-type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-MD5: p7LfGud+OW6mCcFTXL79Ig== X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 Status: RO Content-Length: 953 This is a small update to PSARC/2007/629 Move ant from /usr/sfw/bin to /usr/bin The Interface Stability of ant will be changed from External to Uncommitted, which will be reflected in the ant.1 manpage change below. The new location of the ant documents, previously approved, is also noted in the below ant.1 change. --- ant.1.orig Thu Dec 6 14:16:11 2007 +++ ant.1 Thu Dec 6 14:16:52 2007 @@ -16,7 +16,7 @@ additional information on using ant, browse the complete html documentation at: - file:/usr/sfw/share/doc/ant/index.html + file:/usr/share/doc/ant/index.html LICENSE Apache Software License @@ -33,7 +33,7 @@ |______________________________________| | Availability | SUNWant | |______________________________________| - | Interface Stability| External | + | Interface Stability| Uncommitted | |____________________|_________________| NOTES