From Eric.Sultan@sun.com Mon Jan 14 15:13:20 2008 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m0ENDK2f000877 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:13:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m0ENDFwc026830; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:13:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JUN00A01PU1MM00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:13:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com ([192.18.98.34]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JUN00KS6PU06090@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:13:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m0ENDCpI000476; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:13:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JUN00A01OIKHL00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Eric.Sultan@Sun.COM); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:13:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from [129.146.94.117] by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JUN0057EPRS2K40@mail-amer.sun.com>; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:12:54 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:11:52 -0800 From: Eric Sultan Subject: 3-Dimensional driver for ATI Radeon graphics cards [PSARC/2007/685 FastTrack timeout 01/21/2008] Sender: Eric.Sultan@sun.com To: PSARC-ext@sun.com Cc: Minskey.Guo@sun.com, Diana.Shi@sun.com, ron.bielaski@sun.com Reply-to: Eric.Sultan@sun.com Message-id: <478BEC38.1050104@Sun.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (X11/20070622) Status: RO Content-Length: 2573 I'm sponsoring this fast-track for Minskey Guo, the timer to expire on 01/21/2008. This project delivers a Solaris x86/amd64 port of the open-sourced ATI Radeon 3D driver, using the DRI interfaces provided by PSARC 2004/801. The proposed binding is patch. The one-pager is included below. -- Eric 1. Introduction 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: 3-Dimensional driver for ATI Radeon cards 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: Minskey.Guo@Sun.COM 1.3. Date of This Document: 11/05/2007 1.4. Name of Major Document Customer(s)/Consumer(s): 1.4.1. The PAC or CPT you expect to review your project: PAC 1.4.2. The ARC(s) you expect to review your project: PSARC 1.4.3. The Director/VP who is "Sponsoring" this project: Amiram.Hayardeny@Sun.COM 1.4.4. The name of your business unit: OPG, Solaris X86 1.5. Email Aliases: 1.5.1. Responsible Manager: Diana.Shi@Sun.COM Lingbo.tang@sun.com 1.5.2. Responsible Engineer: Minskey.Guo@Sun.COM 1.5.3. Marketing Manager: Chris.Baker@sun.com 1.5.4. Interest List: radeon-3d-world@sun.com video-china@sun.com 4. Technical Description: Currently, most graphics cards provide hardware units to accelerate 3-dimensional rendering operations, and offload complex 3D operations from CPU to graphics cards. Mesa3D is an open-sourced OpenGL implementation, which can achieve much better display effects if OSes could make full use of hardware acceleration functions. JDS team is porting Compiz (a compositing window manager) to solaris, which uses 3D graphics acceleration via OpenGL. Open-sourced DRI (Direct Rendering Infrastructure) project is providing 3D hardware acceleration for Mesa3D. It has been ported to Solaris by PSARC 2004/801. But PSARC 2004/801 only introduced one 3D driver for Intel graphics cards. This project is to port open-sourced ATI Radeon 3D driver and eanble 3D hardware accleration for ATI Radeon series graphics cards. It won't change any existing interfaces. 5. Reference Documents: PSARC 2004/801 http://compiz.org/ http://www.mesa3d.org/ http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/ 6. Resources and Schedule: 6.2. Cost of Effort: 3 months 6.3. Cost of Capital Resources: None. 6.5. ARC review type: FastTrack 7. Prototype Availability: 7.1. Prototype Availability: Yes, with low performance 7.2. Prototype Cost: 3 months From gdamore@sun.com Mon Jan 14 15:37:52 2008 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m0ENbqKH001799 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:37:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m0ENbojg021380; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:37:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JUN00G0XQZ33100@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:37:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from sca-es-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.43.132]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JUN00EBNQZ28C30@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:37:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-sfbay-09.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m0ENboWK002089; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:37:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-09.sun.com by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JUN00801ORR7O00@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> (original mail from gdamore@sun.com) ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:37:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.251.106] ([76.174.83.55]) by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JUN00KRCQYSST50@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com>; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:37:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:37:33 -0800 From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: Re: 3-Dimensional driver for ATI Radeon graphics cards [PSARC/2007/685 FastTrack timeout 01/21/2008] In-reply-to: <478BEC38.1050104@Sun.COM> Sender: Garrett.Damore@sun.com To: Eric.Sultan@sun.com Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, Minskey.Guo@sun.com, Diana.Shi@sun.com, ron.bielaski@sun.com Message-id: <478BF23D.6030904@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <478BEC38.1050104@Sun.COM> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071023) Status: RO Content-Length: 2866 Variants of the ATI Radeon (Radeon 7000, I believe) are used in SPARC systems. Is there any plan to offer this functionality on SPARC hardware? -- Garrett Eric Sultan wrote: > I'm sponsoring this fast-track for Minskey Guo, the timer to expire on > 01/21/2008. > > This project delivers a Solaris x86/amd64 port of the open-sourced > ATI Radeon 3D driver, using the DRI interfaces provided by PSARC > 2004/801. > > The proposed binding is patch. > > The one-pager is included below. > > -- Eric > > 1. Introduction > 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: > 3-Dimensional driver for ATI Radeon cards > 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: > Minskey.Guo@Sun.COM > 1.3. Date of This Document: > 11/05/2007 > 1.4. Name of Major Document Customer(s)/Consumer(s): > 1.4.1. The PAC or CPT you expect to review your project: > PAC > 1.4.2. The ARC(s) you expect to review your project: > PSARC > 1.4.3. The Director/VP who is "Sponsoring" this project: > Amiram.Hayardeny@Sun.COM > 1.4.4. The name of your business unit: > OPG, Solaris X86 > 1.5. Email Aliases: > 1.5.1. Responsible Manager: > Diana.Shi@Sun.COM > Lingbo.tang@sun.com > 1.5.2. Responsible Engineer: > Minskey.Guo@Sun.COM > 1.5.3. Marketing Manager: > Chris.Baker@sun.com > 1.5.4. Interest List: > radeon-3d-world@sun.com > video-china@sun.com > > 4. Technical Description: > > Currently, most graphics cards provide hardware units to accelerate > 3-dimensional rendering operations, and offload complex 3D operations > from CPU to graphics cards. > > Mesa3D is an open-sourced OpenGL implementation, which can achieve > much better display effects if OSes could make full use of hardware > acceleration functions. JDS team is porting Compiz (a compositing > window manager) to solaris, which uses 3D graphics acceleration via > OpenGL. > > Open-sourced DRI (Direct Rendering Infrastructure) project is providing > 3D hardware acceleration for Mesa3D. It has been ported to Solaris by > PSARC 2004/801. But PSARC 2004/801 only introduced one 3D driver for > Intel graphics cards. > > This project is to port open-sourced ATI Radeon 3D driver and eanble > 3D hardware accleration for ATI Radeon series graphics cards. It won't > change any existing interfaces. > > 5. Reference Documents: > PSARC 2004/801 > http://compiz.org/ > http://www.mesa3d.org/ > http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/ > > 6. Resources and Schedule: > 6.2. Cost of Effort: > 3 months > 6.3. Cost of Capital Resources: > None. > 6.5. ARC review type: > FastTrack > > 7. Prototype Availability: > 7.1. Prototype Availability: > Yes, with low performance > 7.2. Prototype Cost: > 3 months > From Eric.Sultan@sun.com Mon Jan 14 15:51:17 2008 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m0ENpGfD001975 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:51:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m0ENpFEm010887; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:51:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JUN00E09RLDAS00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:51:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com ([192.18.98.34]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JUN00K8YRLB60C0@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:51:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m0ENpBgP012445; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:51:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JUN00F01RIC0Y00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Eric.Sultan@Sun.COM); Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:51:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from [129.146.94.117] by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JUN00IMORLAPO40@mail-amer.sun.com>; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:51:10 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:51:09 -0800 From: Eric Sultan Subject: Re: 3-Dimensional driver for ATI Radeon graphics cards [PSARC/2007/685 FastTrack timeout 01/21/2008] In-reply-to: <478BF23D.6030904@sun.com> Sender: Eric.Sultan@sun.com To: "Garrett D'Amore" Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, Minskey.Guo@sun.com, Diana.Shi@sun.com, ron.bielaski@sun.com Reply-to: Eric.Sultan@sun.com Message-id: <478BF56D.5090708@Sun.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <478BEC38.1050104@Sun.COM> <478BF23D.6030904@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (X11/20070622) Status: RO Content-Length: 3626 I don't think there are current plans to offer this in SPARC. If we were to do so, we'd first have to extend the DRI/DRM interfaces to SPARC, which in turn would have a dependency upon the _sigoff/_sigon interfaces extended as Contract Private the x86 desktop consolidation. It would make sense, in my opinion, to provide open interfaces to sigoff/sigon and enable broader use of the DRI/DRM. With the signal issue resolved, we could provide a SPARC implementation of the DRI/DRM but these are beyond the scope of this project. -- Eric Garrett D'Amore wrote: > Variants of the ATI Radeon (Radeon 7000, I believe) are used in SPARC > systems. Is there any plan to offer this functionality on SPARC > hardware? > > -- Garrett > > Eric Sultan wrote: >> I'm sponsoring this fast-track for Minskey Guo, the timer to expire on >> 01/21/2008. >> >> This project delivers a Solaris x86/amd64 port of the open-sourced >> ATI Radeon 3D driver, using the DRI interfaces provided by PSARC >> 2004/801. >> >> The proposed binding is patch. >> >> The one-pager is included below. >> >> -- Eric >> >> 1. Introduction >> 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: >> 3-Dimensional driver for ATI Radeon cards >> 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: >> Minskey.Guo@Sun.COM >> 1.3. Date of This Document: >> 11/05/2007 >> 1.4. Name of Major Document Customer(s)/Consumer(s): >> 1.4.1. The PAC or CPT you expect to review your project: >> PAC >> 1.4.2. The ARC(s) you expect to review your project: >> PSARC >> 1.4.3. The Director/VP who is "Sponsoring" this project: >> Amiram.Hayardeny@Sun.COM >> 1.4.4. The name of your business unit: >> OPG, Solaris X86 >> 1.5. Email Aliases: >> 1.5.1. Responsible Manager: >> Diana.Shi@Sun.COM >> Lingbo.tang@sun.com >> 1.5.2. Responsible Engineer: >> Minskey.Guo@Sun.COM >> 1.5.3. Marketing Manager: >> Chris.Baker@sun.com >> 1.5.4. Interest List: >> radeon-3d-world@sun.com >> video-china@sun.com >> >> 4. Technical Description: >> >> Currently, most graphics cards provide hardware units to accelerate >> 3-dimensional rendering operations, and offload complex 3D operations >> from CPU to graphics cards. >> >> Mesa3D is an open-sourced OpenGL implementation, which can achieve >> much better display effects if OSes could make full use of hardware >> acceleration functions. JDS team is porting Compiz (a compositing >> window manager) to solaris, which uses 3D graphics acceleration via >> OpenGL. >> >> Open-sourced DRI (Direct Rendering Infrastructure) project is providing >> 3D hardware acceleration for Mesa3D. It has been ported to Solaris by >> PSARC 2004/801. But PSARC 2004/801 only introduced one 3D driver for >> Intel graphics cards. >> >> This project is to port open-sourced ATI Radeon 3D driver and eanble >> 3D hardware accleration for ATI Radeon series graphics cards. It won't >> change any existing interfaces. >> >> 5. Reference Documents: >> PSARC 2004/801 >> http://compiz.org/ >> http://www.mesa3d.org/ >> http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/ >> >> 6. Resources and Schedule: >> 6.2. Cost of Effort: >> 3 months >> 6.3. Cost of Capital Resources: >> None. >> 6.5. ARC review type: >> FastTrack >> >> 7. Prototype Availability: >> 7.1. Prototype Availability: >> Yes, with low performance >> 7.2. Prototype Cost: >> 3 months >> > -- Eric Sultan Sun Microsystems, Inc. phone: 1-650-786-6414 email: eric.sultan@sun.com From Minskey.Guo@sun.com Mon Jan 14 23:36:43 2008 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m0F7agp6012394 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:36:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m0F7aY1K008260; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:36:39 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JUO00I03D52SW00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:36:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from sineb-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.19.7]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JUO008L2D51FS50@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:36:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-apac-04.sun.com (fe-apac-04.sun.com [192.18.19.175] (may be forged)) by sineb-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m0F7aabP016309; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 07:36:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-apac.sun.com by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0JUO00D01CQ7GG00@mail-apac.sun.com> (original mail from Minskey.Guo@Sun.COM); Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:36:36 +0800 (SGT) Received: from [129.158.218.198] by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0JUO00AIND4ZXM90@mail-apac.sun.com>; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:36:36 +0800 (SGT) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:36:04 +0800 From: minskey guo Subject: Re: 3-Dimensional driver for ATI Radeon graphics cards [PSARC/2007/685 FastTrack timeout 01/21/2008] In-reply-to: <478BF23D.6030904@sun.com> Sender: Minskey.Guo@sun.com To: "Garrett D'Amore" Cc: Eric.Sultan@sun.com, PSARC-ext@sun.com, Diana.Shi@sun.com, ron.bielaski@sun.com, LingBo Tang Message-id: <478C6264.3030908@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <478BEC38.1050104@Sun.COM> <478BF23D.6030904@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070924) Status: RO Content-Length: 2961 Garrett D'Amore 写道: > Variants of the ATI Radeon (Radeon 7000, I believe) are used in SPARC > systems. Is there any plan to offer this functionality on SPARC hardware? Maybe we can offer this functionality later once Xorg is ported to SPARC. That will be another project since this case focuses on radeon 3D driver only instead of DRI (direct rendering infrastructure) framework. -minskey > > -- Garrett > > Eric Sultan wrote: >> I'm sponsoring this fast-track for Minskey Guo, the timer to expire on >> 01/21/2008. >> >> This project delivers a Solaris x86/amd64 port of the open-sourced >> ATI Radeon 3D driver, using the DRI interfaces provided by PSARC >> 2004/801. >> >> The proposed binding is patch. >> >> The one-pager is included below. >> >> -- Eric >> >> 1. Introduction >> 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: >> 3-Dimensional driver for ATI Radeon cards >> 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: >> Minskey.Guo@Sun.COM >> 1.3. Date of This Document: >> 11/05/2007 >> 1.4. Name of Major Document Customer(s)/Consumer(s): >> 1.4.1. The PAC or CPT you expect to review your project: >> PAC >> 1.4.2. The ARC(s) you expect to review your project: >> PSARC >> 1.4.3. The Director/VP who is "Sponsoring" this project: >> Amiram.Hayardeny@Sun.COM >> 1.4.4. The name of your business unit: >> OPG, Solaris X86 >> 1.5. Email Aliases: >> 1.5.1. Responsible Manager: >> Diana.Shi@Sun.COM >> Lingbo.tang@sun.com >> 1.5.2. Responsible Engineer: >> Minskey.Guo@Sun.COM >> 1.5.3. Marketing Manager: >> Chris.Baker@sun.com >> 1.5.4. Interest List: >> radeon-3d-world@sun.com >> video-china@sun.com >> >> 4. Technical Description: >> >> Currently, most graphics cards provide hardware units to accelerate >> 3-dimensional rendering operations, and offload complex 3D operations >> from CPU to graphics cards. >> >> Mesa3D is an open-sourced OpenGL implementation, which can achieve >> much better display effects if OSes could make full use of hardware >> acceleration functions. JDS team is porting Compiz (a compositing >> window manager) to solaris, which uses 3D graphics acceleration via >> OpenGL. >> >> Open-sourced DRI (Direct Rendering Infrastructure) project is providing >> 3D hardware acceleration for Mesa3D. It has been ported to Solaris by >> PSARC 2004/801. But PSARC 2004/801 only introduced one 3D driver for >> Intel graphics cards. >> >> This project is to port open-sourced ATI Radeon 3D driver and eanble >> 3D hardware accleration for ATI Radeon series graphics cards. It won't >> change any existing interfaces. >> >> 5. Reference Documents: >> PSARC 2004/801 >> http://compiz.org/ >> http://www.mesa3d.org/ >> http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/ >> >> 6. Resources and Schedule: >> 6.2. Cost of Effort: >> 3 months >> 6.3. Cost of Capital Resources: >> None. >> 6.5. ARC review type: >> FastTrack >> >> 7. Prototype Availability: >> 7.1. Prototype Availability: >> Yes, with low performance >> 7.2. Prototype Cost: >> 3 months >> > From alan.coopersmith@sun.com Tue Jan 15 07:39:24 2008 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m0FFdNo2021318 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 07:39:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m0FFdCQ9017760; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:39:20 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JUO00M3GZHH7300@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 07:39:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from sfbaymail1sca.SFBay.Sun.COM ([129.145.154.35]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JUO00LIYZHF5N10@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 07:39:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (vpn-129-150-16-110.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.150.16.110]) by sfbaymail1sca.SFBay.Sun.COM (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m0FFd7Yh024458; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 07:39:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 07:39:03 -0800 From: Alan Coopersmith Subject: Re: 3-Dimensional driver for ATI Radeon graphics cards [PSARC/2007/685 FastTrack timeout 01/21/2008] In-reply-to: <478C6264.3030908@sun.com> To: minskey guo Cc: "Garrett D'Amore" , Eric.Sultan@sun.com, PSARC-ext@sun.com, Diana.Shi@sun.com, ron.bielaski@sun.com, LingBo Tang Message-id: <478CD397.9040906@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <478BEC38.1050104@Sun.COM> <478BF23D.6030904@sun.com> <478C6264.3030908@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060602) Status: RO Content-Length: 468 minskey guo wrote: > > > Garrett D'Amore 写道: >> Variants of the ATI Radeon (Radeon 7000, I believe) are used in SPARC >> systems. Is there any plan to offer this functionality on SPARC hardware? > Maybe we can offer this functionality later once Xorg is ported to SPARC. Xorg has been shipping on SPARC for about a year now in Nevada and S10U4. -- -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersmith@sun.com Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering From Minskey.Guo@sun.com Tue Jan 15 08:12:25 2008 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m0FGCOhx022145 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 08:12:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m0FGCHvr000217; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 00:12:21 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JUP0011510ISC00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 08:12:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from sineb-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.19.6]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JUP00LV810C5L50@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 08:12:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-apac-03.sun.com (fe-apac-03.sun.com [192.18.19.174] (may be forged)) by sineb-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m0FGCCeA023375; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:12:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-apac.sun.com by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0JUO00101Z1L5C00@mail-apac.sun.com> (original mail from Minskey.Guo@Sun.COM); Wed, 16 Jan 2008 00:12:12 +0800 (SGT) Received: from [221.218.203.232] by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0JUP0083P103VQ30@mail-apac.sun.com>; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 00:12:11 +0800 (SGT) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 00:12:02 +0800 From: Minskey Guo Subject: Re: 3-Dimensional driver for ATI Radeon graphics cards [PSARC/2007/685 FastTrack timeout 01/21/2008] In-reply-to: <478CD397.9040906@sun.com> Sender: Minskey.Guo@sun.com To: Alan Coopersmith Cc: "Garrett D'Amore" , Eric.Sultan@sun.com, PSARC-ext@sun.com, ron.bielaski@sun.com, LingBo Tang Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_pmkbMUByuajNn653jX6LeQ)" X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <478BEC38.1050104@Sun.COM> <478BF23D.6030904@sun.com> <478C6264.3030908@sun.com> <478CD397.9040906@sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 3473 --Boundary_(ID_pmkbMUByuajNn653jX6LeQ) Content-type: text/plain; delsp=yes; format=flowed; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On 2008-1-15, at =E4=B8=8B=E5=8D=8811:39, Alan Coopersmith wrote: > minskey guo wrote: >> Garrett D'Amore =E5=86=99=E9=81=93: >>> Variants of the ATI Radeon (Radeon 7000, I believe) are used in = =20 >>> SPARC systems. Is there any plan to offer this functionality on = =20 >>> SPARC hardware? >> Maybe we can offer this functionality later once Xorg is ported to= =20 >> SPARC. > > Xorg has been shipping on SPARC for about a year now in Nevada and = =20 > S10U4. I remember that you mentioned only graphics cards which are sold by = =20 Sun are supported. If we plan to port ATI radeon driver to SPARC, we have to implement = =20 power-management as well (I assume that power management is a must for SPARC), that = =20 would be difficult without support from AMD/ATI since we have no any documents. Sorry, I remove Diana Shi from this thread since she is on vacation = =20 and Lingbo is my manager now. -minskey > > > --=20 > =09-Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersmith@sun.com > =09 Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering --Boundary_(ID_pmkbMUByuajNn653jX6LeQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE
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minskey guo = wrote:
Garrett D'Amore =E5=86=99=E9=81= =93:
Variants of the ATI Radeon (Radeon 7000, I believe) are used in S= PARC systems. Is there any plan to offer this functionality on SPARC = hardware?
Mayb= e we can offer this functionality later once Xorg is ported to SPARC.=

Xorg has been shipping on SPARC for about a year= now in Nevada and S10U4.

I remember that you mentioned only graphics cards = which are sold by Sun are supported.
If we plan to port ATI= radeon driver to SPARC,  we have to implement power-management<= /div>
as well (I assume that power management is a must for SPARC= ),   that would be difficult
without support from AMD/= ATI since we have no any documents.  



Sorry, I remove Diana Shi from this thread since she is on vacatio= n and Lingbo is my manager now.


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--Boundary_(ID_pmkbMUByuajNn653jX6LeQ)-- From gdamore@sun.com Tue Jan 15 10:16:39 2008 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m0FIGccP024682 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:16:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m0FIGIYT019897; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:16:36 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JUP000016RNPC00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:16:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from sca-es-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.43.132]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JUP00J606RNVC60@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:16:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-sfbay-09.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m0FIGZNg003995; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:16:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-09.sun.com by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JUP003016KCFM00@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> (original mail from gdamore@sun.com) ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:16:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.251.106] ([76.174.83.55]) by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JUP00LIX6RI7MD0@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com>; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:16:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:16:20 -0800 From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: Re: 3-Dimensional driver for ATI Radeon graphics cards [PSARC/2007/685 FastTrack timeout 01/21/2008] In-reply-to: Sender: Garrett.Damore@sun.com To: Minskey Guo Cc: Alan Coopersmith , Eric.Sultan@sun.com, PSARC-ext@sun.com, ron.bielaski@sun.com, LingBo Tang Message-id: <478CF874.3010102@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <478BEC38.1050104@Sun.COM> <478BF23D.6030904@sun.com> <478C6264.3030908@sun.com> <478CD397.9040906@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071023) Status: RO Content-Length: 1702 Minskey Guo wrote: > > On 2008-1-15, at 下午11:39, Alan Coopersmith wrote: > >> minskey guo wrote: >>> Garrett D'Amore 写道: >>>> Variants of the ATI Radeon (Radeon 7000, I believe) are used in >>>> SPARC systems. Is there any plan to offer this functionality on >>>> SPARC hardware? >>> Maybe we can offer this functionality later once Xorg is ported to >>> SPARC. >> >> Xorg has been shipping on SPARC for about a year now in Nevada and S10U4. > > I remember that you mentioned only graphics cards which are sold by > Sun are supported. > If we plan to port ATI radeon driver to SPARC, we have to implement > power-management > as well (I assume that power management is a must for SPARC), that > would be difficult > without support from AMD/ATI since we have no any documents. Radeon on SPARC uses the pfb driver, IIRC, which works well enough. Why couldn't the information that is there, be used to support this on SPARC. Recall also, that for the Radeon variants found on SPARC, the ATI BIOS parser I wrote for Tadpole (and which is in NetBSD, and which Jay Cotton has also used) works well enough to fully POST the card up even without Fcode or BIOS support. (I've used this on MIPS hardware that had *no* firmware support for the card.) So, while there may be technical problems, it isn't clear to me that "not enough information" is one of those problems. -- Garrett > > > > Sorry, I remove Diana Shi from this thread since she is on vacation > and Lingbo is my manager now. > > > -minskey > >> >> >> -- >> -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersmith@sun.com >> >> Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering > From Eric.Sultan@sun.com Tue Jan 15 11:33:45 2008 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m0FJXixj025612 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:33:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m0FJXdmB017289; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:33:42 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JUP00305AC5LS00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:33:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.98.31]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JUP00JUDAC4VR90@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:33:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m0FJXeFV007101; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:33:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JUP00J01A35AQ00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Eric.Sultan@Sun.COM); Tue, 15 Jan 2008 12:33:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from [129.146.94.117] by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JUP00J3MAC0QB00@mail-amer.sun.com>; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 12:33:37 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:33:36 -0800 From: Eric Sultan Subject: Re: 3-Dimensional driver for ATI Radeon graphics cards [PSARC/2007/685 FastTrack timeout 01/21/2008] In-reply-to: <478CF874.3010102@sun.com> Sender: Eric.Sultan@sun.com To: "Garrett D'Amore" Cc: Minskey Guo , Alan Coopersmith , PSARC-ext@sun.com, ron.bielaski@sun.com, LingBo Tang Reply-to: Eric.Sultan@sun.com Message-id: <478D0A90.1040804@Sun.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=UTF-8 X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <478BEC38.1050104@Sun.COM> <478BF23D.6030904@sun.com> <478C6264.3030908@sun.com> <478CD397.9040906@sun.com> <478CF874.3010102@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (X11/20070622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by sac.sfbay.sun.com id m0FJXixj025612 Status: RO Content-Length: 2401 Each chip in the Radeon family will have slightly different power-management requirements. The fact that we support PM on the chip used in pfb doesn't mean that we can support PM on other chips. Indeed, SPARC graphics doesn't currently support PM on the XVR-300. Although the chip architecture is quite a bit like that of the chip in the XVR-100, it's sufficiently different that PM is not a no-brainer. I agree that PM can, and should, be supported but it still requires some degree of chip-specific code, and that in turn would require the proper documents from the vendor. -- Eric Garrett D'Amore wrote: > Minskey Guo wrote: >> >> On 2008-1-15, at 下午11:39, Alan Coopersmith wrote: >> >>> minskey guo wrote: >>>> Garrett D'Amore 写道: >>>>> Variants of the ATI Radeon (Radeon 7000, I believe) are used in >>>>> SPARC systems. Is there any plan to offer this functionality on >>>>> SPARC hardware? >>>> Maybe we can offer this functionality later once Xorg is ported to >>>> SPARC. >>> >>> Xorg has been shipping on SPARC for about a year now in Nevada and >>> S10U4. >> >> I remember that you mentioned only graphics cards which are sold by >> Sun are supported. >> If we plan to port ATI radeon driver to SPARC, we have to implement >> power-management >> as well (I assume that power management is a must for SPARC), that >> would be difficult >> without support from AMD/ATI since we have no any documents. > > > Radeon on SPARC uses the pfb driver, IIRC, which works well enough. > Why couldn't the information that is there, be used to support this on > SPARC. > > Recall also, that for the Radeon variants found on SPARC, the ATI BIOS > parser I wrote for Tadpole (and which is in NetBSD, and which Jay > Cotton has also used) works well enough to fully POST the card up even > without Fcode or BIOS support. (I've used this on MIPS hardware that > had *no* firmware support for the card.) > > So, while there may be technical problems, it isn't clear to me that > "not enough information" is one of those problems. > > -- Garrett >> >> >> >> Sorry, I remove Diana Shi from this thread since she is on vacation >> and Lingbo is my manager now. >> >> >> -minskey >> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersmith@sun.com >>> >>> Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering >> > From gdamore@sun.com Tue Jan 15 11:47:41 2008 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m0FJlePj025910 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:47:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m0FJl9q3022473; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:47:38 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JUP00L2BAZAG100@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:47:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from sca-es-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.43.133]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JUP007ICAZ9KI80@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:47:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-sfbay-09.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m0FJlXlO004449; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:47:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-09.sun.com by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JUP00A01ASFKC00@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> (original mail from gdamore@sun.com) ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:47:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.251.106] ([76.174.83.55]) by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JUP008T1AZ8U7A0@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com>; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:47:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:47:23 -0800 From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: Re: 3-Dimensional driver for ATI Radeon graphics cards [PSARC/2007/685 FastTrack timeout 01/21/2008] In-reply-to: <478D0A90.1040804@Sun.COM> Sender: Garrett.Damore@sun.com To: Eric.Sultan@sun.com Cc: Minskey Guo , Alan Coopersmith , PSARC-ext@sun.com, ron.bielaski@sun.com, LingBo Tang Message-id: <478D0DCB.1020306@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <478BEC38.1050104@Sun.COM> <478BF23D.6030904@sun.com> <478C6264.3030908@sun.com> <478CD397.9040906@sun.com> <478CF874.3010102@sun.com> <478D0A90.1040804@Sun.COM> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071023) Status: RO Content-Length: 2983 Eric Sultan wrote: > Each chip in the Radeon family will have slightly different > power-management requirements. The fact that we support PM on the > chip used in pfb doesn't mean that we can support PM on other chips. > Indeed, SPARC graphics doesn't currently support PM on the XVR-300. > Although the chip architecture is quite a bit like that of the chip in > the XVR-100, it's sufficiently different that PM is not a no-brainer. > > I agree that PM can, and should, be supported but it still requires > some degree of chip-specific code, and that in turn would require the > proper documents from the vendor. I'm a little confused here. I think what you're saying is that we can't safely do device-power management on some parts -- but that we don't have that today either. So, if we don't have it today on the current drivers, why is this is a stopper for enabling 3D support for those? It will still be without power management, but it doesn't sound like a feature regression. And on some parts (XVR-100) we should be able to support power management as well. -- Garrett > > -- Eric > > > Garrett D'Amore wrote: >> Minskey Guo wrote: >>> >>> On 2008-1-15, at 下午11:39, Alan Coopersmith wrote: >>> >>>> minskey guo wrote: >>>>> Garrett D'Amore 写道: >>>>>> Variants of the ATI Radeon (Radeon 7000, I believe) are used in >>>>>> SPARC systems. Is there any plan to offer this functionality on >>>>>> SPARC hardware? >>>>> Maybe we can offer this functionality later once Xorg is ported to >>>>> SPARC. >>>> >>>> Xorg has been shipping on SPARC for about a year now in Nevada and >>>> S10U4. >>> >>> I remember that you mentioned only graphics cards which are sold by >>> Sun are supported. >>> If we plan to port ATI radeon driver to SPARC, we have to implement >>> power-management >>> as well (I assume that power management is a must for SPARC), that >>> would be difficult >>> without support from AMD/ATI since we have no any documents. >> >> >> Radeon on SPARC uses the pfb driver, IIRC, which works well enough. >> Why couldn't the information that is there, be used to support this >> on SPARC. >> >> Recall also, that for the Radeon variants found on SPARC, the ATI >> BIOS parser I wrote for Tadpole (and which is in NetBSD, and which >> Jay Cotton has also used) works well enough to fully POST the card up >> even without Fcode or BIOS support. (I've used this on MIPS hardware >> that had *no* firmware support for the card.) >> >> So, while there may be technical problems, it isn't clear to me that >> "not enough information" is one of those problems. >> >> -- Garrett >>> >>> >>> >>> Sorry, I remove Diana Shi from this thread since she is on vacation >>> and Lingbo is my manager now. >>> >>> >>> -minskey >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersmith@sun.com >>>> >>>> Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering >>> >> > > > From Eric.Sultan@sun.com Tue Jan 15 14:10:27 2008 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m0FMAQ1Z028972 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:10:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m0FMAMmL014341; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 06:10:23 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JUP00C13HL9AN00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:10:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.98.43]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JUP0073LHL7KAF0@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:10:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m0FMAIB4015727; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:10:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JUP00L01DOZPA00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Eric.Sultan@Sun.COM); Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:10:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from [129.146.94.117] by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JUP00J2FHKXQB30@mail-amer.sun.com>; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:10:11 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:10:09 -0800 From: Eric Sultan Subject: Re: 3-Dimensional driver for ATI Radeon graphics cards [PSARC/2007/685 FastTrack timeout 01/21/2008] In-reply-to: <478D0DCB.1020306@sun.com> Sender: Eric.Sultan@sun.com To: "Garrett D'Amore" Cc: Minskey Guo , Alan Coopersmith , PSARC-ext@sun.com, ron.bielaski@sun.com, LingBo Tang Reply-to: Eric.Sultan@sun.com Message-id: <478D2F41.20002@Sun.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=UTF-8 X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <478BEC38.1050104@Sun.COM> <478BF23D.6030904@sun.com> <478C6264.3030908@sun.com> <478CD397.9040906@sun.com> <478CF874.3010102@sun.com> <478D0A90.1040804@Sun.COM> <478D0DCB.1020306@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (X11/20070622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by sac.sfbay.sun.com id m0FMAQ1Z028972 Status: RO Content-Length: 3742 I believe the driver produced by this project is intended to support the family of Radeon chips. What I'm saying is that within that family each chip may have different PM requirements. On SPARC, we do support board-level PM on the XVR-100, but not yet on the XVR-300 I agree with the reasoning that if we don't have PM support on some devices on SPARC it's harder to justify it as a requirement for all devices, but in all cases we do have to achieve the EnergyStar requirements. XVR-300 does meet the those requirements in the platforms that support it without needing to do board-level power-management. -- Eric Garrett D'Amore wrote: > Eric Sultan wrote: >> Each chip in the Radeon family will have slightly different >> power-management requirements. The fact that we support PM on the >> chip used in pfb doesn't mean that we can support PM on other chips. >> Indeed, SPARC graphics doesn't currently support PM on the XVR-300. >> Although the chip architecture is quite a bit like that of the chip >> in the XVR-100, it's sufficiently different that PM is not a >> no-brainer. >> >> I agree that PM can, and should, be supported but it still requires >> some degree of chip-specific code, and that in turn would require the >> proper documents from the vendor. > > I'm a little confused here. > > I think what you're saying is that we can't safely do device-power > management on some parts -- but that we don't have that today either. > So, if we don't have it today on the current drivers, why is this is a > stopper for enabling 3D support for those? It will still be without > power management, but it doesn't sound like a feature regression. > > And on some parts (XVR-100) we should be able to support power > management as well. > > -- Garrett > >> >> -- Eric >> >> >> Garrett D'Amore wrote: >>> Minskey Guo wrote: >>>> >>>> On 2008-1-15, at 下午11:39, Alan Coopersmith wrote: >>>> >>>>> minskey guo wrote: >>>>>> Garrett D'Amore 写道: >>>>>>> Variants of the ATI Radeon (Radeon 7000, I believe) are used in >>>>>>> SPARC systems. Is there any plan to offer this functionality on >>>>>>> SPARC hardware? >>>>>> Maybe we can offer this functionality later once Xorg is ported >>>>>> to SPARC. >>>>> >>>>> Xorg has been shipping on SPARC for about a year now in Nevada and >>>>> S10U4. >>>> >>>> I remember that you mentioned only graphics cards which are sold by >>>> Sun are supported. >>>> If we plan to port ATI radeon driver to SPARC, we have to >>>> implement power-management >>>> as well (I assume that power management is a must for SPARC), >>>> that would be difficult >>>> without support from AMD/ATI since we have no any documents. >>> >>> >>> Radeon on SPARC uses the pfb driver, IIRC, which works well enough. >>> Why couldn't the information that is there, be used to support this >>> on SPARC. >>> >>> Recall also, that for the Radeon variants found on SPARC, the ATI >>> BIOS parser I wrote for Tadpole (and which is in NetBSD, and which >>> Jay Cotton has also used) works well enough to fully POST the card >>> up even without Fcode or BIOS support. (I've used this on MIPS >>> hardware that had *no* firmware support for the card.) >>> >>> So, while there may be technical problems, it isn't clear to me that >>> "not enough information" is one of those problems. >>> >>> -- Garrett >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sorry, I remove Diana Shi from this thread since she is on vacation >>>> and Lingbo is my manager now. >>>> >>>> >>>> -minskey >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersmith@sun.com >>>>> >>>>> Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering >>>> >>> >> >> >> > From Minskey.Guo@sun.com Tue Jan 15 21:16:17 2008 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m0G5GG5I009902 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:16:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m0G5G9A7017750; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 05:16:13 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JUQ00B031AZVZ00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:16:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from sineb-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.19.7]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JUQ00JAC1AYTL60@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:16:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-apac-06.sun.com (fe-apac-06.sun.com [192.18.19.177] (may be forged)) by sineb-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m0G5G9DL000493; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 05:16:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-apac.sun.com by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0JUQ00N0119R1V00@mail-apac.sun.com> (original mail from Minskey.Guo@Sun.COM); Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:16:09 +0800 (SGT) Received: from [129.158.218.198] by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0JUQ00CV21ASUAAT@mail-apac.sun.com>; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:16:09 +0800 (SGT) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:15:34 +0800 From: minskey guo Subject: Re: 3-Dimensional driver for ATI Radeon graphics cards [PSARC/2007/685 FastTrack timeout 01/21/2008] In-reply-to: <478CF874.3010102@sun.com> Sender: Minskey.Guo@sun.com To: "Garrett D'Amore" Cc: Alan Coopersmith , Eric.Sultan@sun.com, PSARC-ext@sun.com, ron.bielaski@sun.com, LingBo Tang Message-id: <478D92F6.8060706@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <478BEC38.1050104@Sun.COM> <478BF23D.6030904@sun.com> <478C6264.3030908@sun.com> <478CD397.9040906@sun.com> <478CF874.3010102@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070924) Status: RO Content-Length: 2278 Garrett D'Amore 写道: > Minskey Guo wrote: >> >> On 2008-1-15, at 下午11:39, Alan Coopersmith wrote: >> >>> minskey guo wrote: >>>> Garrett D'Amore 写道: >>>>> Variants of the ATI Radeon (Radeon 7000, I believe) are used in >>>>> SPARC systems. Is there any plan to offer this functionality on >>>>> SPARC hardware? >>>> Maybe we can offer this functionality later once Xorg is ported to >>>> SPARC. >>> >>> Xorg has been shipping on SPARC for about a year now in Nevada and >>> S10U4. >> >> I remember that you mentioned only graphics cards which are sold by >> Sun are supported. >> If we plan to port ATI radeon driver to SPARC, we have to implement >> power-management >> as well (I assume that power management is a must for SPARC), that >> would be difficult >> without support from AMD/ATI since we have no any documents. > > > Radeon on SPARC uses the pfb driver, IIRC, which works well enough. > Why couldn't the information that is there, be used to support this on > SPARC. > > Recall also, that for the Radeon variants found on SPARC, the ATI BIOS > parser I wrote for Tadpole (and which is in NetBSD, and which Jay > Cotton has also used) works well enough to fully POST the card up even > without Fcode or BIOS support. (I've used this on MIPS hardware that > had *no* firmware support for the card.) > pfb is closed-sourced driver and includes code from 3rd parties, while the driver we will provide comes from opensource community. Maybe we shouldn't copy any code from pfb to radeon driver without an agreement from AMD/ATI. pfb already supports radeon cards on SPARC, and opensourced radeon supports radeon cards on x86. what's the benefit if we port radeon driver to SPARC, compared to the cost of porting ? so, I still limit my project scope to x86/amd64 only. -minskey > So, while there may be technical problems, it isn't clear to me that > "not enough information" is one of those problems. > > -- Garrett >> >> >> >> Sorry, I remove Diana Shi from this thread since she is on vacation >> and Lingbo is my manager now. >> >> >> -minskey >> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersmith@sun.com >>> >>> Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering >> > From Eric.Sultan@sun.com Wed Jan 16 16:34:40 2008 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m0H0Ye4h014573 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:34:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m0H0YdsU014922; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:34:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JUR00303IXRSK00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:34:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com ([192.18.98.36]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JUR00HBFIXQOEC0@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:34:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m0H0Ycdj014126; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 00:34:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JUR00C01IP0DD00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Eric.Sultan@Sun.COM); Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:34:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from [129.146.94.117] by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JUR00525IXNMG50@mail-amer.sun.com>; Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:34:35 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:34:35 -0800 From: Eric Sultan Subject: Re: 3-Dimensional driver for ATI Radeon graphics cards [PSARC/2007/685 FastTrack timeout 01/21/2008] In-reply-to: <478BEC38.1050104@Sun.COM> Sender: Eric.Sultan@sun.com To: PSARC-ext@sun.com, Minskey.Guo@sun.com Cc: Ron Bielaski Reply-to: Eric.Sultan@sun.com Message-id: <478EA29B.6080004@Sun.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.2.0.264296 References: <478BEC38.1050104@Sun.COM> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (X11/20070622) Status: RO Content-Length: 100 There having been no unresolved issues, this case was approved in today's PSARC meeting. -- Eric