From dhain@sac.sfbay.sun.com Thu Mar 27 15:14:44 2008 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m2RMEiwk001616 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:14:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m2RMEiIi000678; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:14:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JYE00G01TSJSQ00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:14:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dm-sfbay-01.sfbay.sun.com ([129.145.155.118]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JYE00APSTSGYL50@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:14:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sac.sfbay.sun.com (new-sac.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.175.65]) by dm-sfbay-01.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m2RMEePO046633; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:14:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sac.sfbay.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m2RMEcWW001611; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:14:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dhain@localhost) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/Submit) id m2RMEcPF001607; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:14:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:14:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Hain Subject: Integrate libdvdnav into Solaris [PSARC/2008/225 FastTrack timeout 04/03/2008] To: PSARC-ext@sun.com Cc: Zachary.Kissel@sun.com Message-id: <200803272214.m2RMEcPF001607@sac.sfbay.sun.com> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 Status: RO Content-Length: 2775 Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.64 07/13/07 SMI This information is Copyright 2008 Sun Microsystems 1. Introduction 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: Integrate libdvdnav into Solaris 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: Author: Zachary Kissel 1.3 Date of This Document: 27 March, 2008 4. Technical Description Proposal: Integrate libdvdnav into Solaris Details: libdvdnav provides a simple foundation for reading the navigation information off of a video DVD. Specifically libdvdnav allows one to easily use: 1. DVD Menus 2. Multiangle Playback 3. Interactive DVD games The API provides DVD playback as a single logical stream of blocks, intermitted by special dvdnav events to report certain conditions. libdvdnav used to be part of both the Oogle project and part of a plugin for the Xine media player. However, the library now stands on its own. The libdvdnav library is written and maintained by: Daniel Caujolle-Bert Thomas Vander Stichele Rich Wareham Kees Cook Michael Roitzsch Frantisek Dvorak James Courtier-Dutton The current version of libdvdnav is 0.1.10 (Released: June 9, 2004). Sun will provide packages that install on both x86/x64 and SPARC architectures. Exported Interfaces: SUNWlibdvdnav Uncommitted package name /usr/lib/libdvdread.so Uncommitted library /usr/include/dvdnav/dvd_reader.h Uncommitted header file /usr/include/dvdnav/dvd_types.h Uncommitted header file /usr/include/dvdnav/dvdnav.h Uncommitted header file /usr/include/dvdnav/dvdnav_events.h Uncommitted header file /usr/include/dvdnav/ifo_print.h Uncommitted header file /usr/include/dvdnav/ifo_read.h Uncommitted header file /usr/include/dvdnav/ifo_types.h Uncommitted header file /usr/include/dvdnav/nav_print.h Uncommitted header file /usr/include/dvdnav/nav_read.h Uncommitted header file /usr/include/dvdnav/nav_types.h Uncommitted header file libdvdnav C APIs Uncommitted API Doc Impact: New man page: libdvdnav.3LIB (see case directory). This is a new man page since the open source community does not provide one. It provides basic information about the library, and points users to the project's homepage. Security Impact: None. References: [1] http://dvd.sourceforge.net/ [2] 6658278 Port libdvdnav-0.1.10 to Solaris 6. Resources and Schedule 6.4. Steering Committee requested information 6.4.1. Consolidation C-team Name: sfw 6.5. ARC review type: FastTrack 6.6. ARC Exposure: open From Brian.Cameron@Sun.COM Thu Mar 27 15:26:49 2008 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m2RMQnKZ001715 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:26:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m2RMQnFj003591 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:26:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JYE00301UCOK100@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:26:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com ([192.18.98.36]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JYE001KLUCO3850@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:26:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m2RMQmVl008763 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:26:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JYE00001PT6AF00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Brian.Cameron@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:26:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.64] ([189.136.49.170]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JYE0056EUC55SB0@mail-amer.sun.com>; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:26:31 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:26:31 -0500 From: Brian Cameron Subject: Re: Integrate libdvdnav into Solaris [PSARC/2008/225 FastTrack timeout 04/03/2008] In-reply-to: <200803272214.m2RMEcPF001607@sac.sfbay.sun.com> Sender: Brian.Cameron@Sun.COM To: Daniel Hain Cc: PSARC-ext@Sun.COM, Zachary.Kissel@Sun.COM Message-id: <47EC1F17.50004@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200803272214.m2RMEcPF001607@sac.sfbay.sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20080225) Status: RO Content-Length: 3306 In speaking with the GStreamer developers, they indicated that libdvdnav most likely contains IP which requires license to distribute. Is this the case? Has this gone through legal review to determine whether there are patent issues? Brian > Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.64 07/13/07 SMI > This information is Copyright 2008 Sun Microsystems > 1. Introduction > 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: > Integrate libdvdnav into Solaris > 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: > Author: Zachary Kissel > 1.3 Date of This Document: > 27 March, 2008 > 4. Technical Description > Proposal: > > Integrate libdvdnav into Solaris > > Details: > > libdvdnav provides a simple foundation for reading the navigation > information off of a video DVD. Specifically libdvdnav allows one > to easily use: > > 1. DVD Menus > 2. Multiangle Playback > 3. Interactive DVD games > > The API provides DVD playback as a single logical stream of blocks, > intermitted by special dvdnav events to report certain conditions. > > libdvdnav used to be part of both the Oogle project and part of a > plugin for the Xine media player. However, the library now stands > on its own. The libdvdnav library is written and maintained by: > > Daniel Caujolle-Bert > Thomas Vander Stichele > Rich Wareham > Kees Cook > Michael Roitzsch > Frantisek Dvorak > James Courtier-Dutton > > The current version of libdvdnav is 0.1.10 (Released: June 9, 2004). > Sun will provide packages that install on both x86/x64 and SPARC > architectures. > > Exported Interfaces: > > SUNWlibdvdnav Uncommitted package name > /usr/lib/libdvdread.so Uncommitted library > /usr/include/dvdnav/dvd_reader.h Uncommitted header file > /usr/include/dvdnav/dvd_types.h Uncommitted header file > /usr/include/dvdnav/dvdnav.h Uncommitted header file > /usr/include/dvdnav/dvdnav_events.h Uncommitted header file > /usr/include/dvdnav/ifo_print.h Uncommitted header file > /usr/include/dvdnav/ifo_read.h Uncommitted header file > /usr/include/dvdnav/ifo_types.h Uncommitted header file > /usr/include/dvdnav/nav_print.h Uncommitted header file > /usr/include/dvdnav/nav_read.h Uncommitted header file > /usr/include/dvdnav/nav_types.h Uncommitted header file > libdvdnav C APIs Uncommitted API > > Doc Impact: > New man page: libdvdnav.3LIB (see case directory). This is a new man > page since the open source community does not provide one. > It provides basic information about the library, and points users to the > project's homepage. > > Security Impact: > > None. > > References: > [1] http://dvd.sourceforge.net/ > > [2] 6658278 Port libdvdnav-0.1.10 to Solaris > > > > > > 6. Resources and Schedule > 6.4. Steering Committee requested information > 6.4.1. Consolidation C-team Name: > sfw > 6.5. ARC review type: FastTrack > 6.6. ARC Exposure: open > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-arc mailing list > opensolaris-arc@opensolaris.org From gww@eng.sun.com Thu Mar 27 15:27:35 2008 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m2RMRYKK001772 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:27:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m2RMRNYu026850 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 06:27:33 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JYE0000RUDUJK00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:27:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm-eng-02.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.11.32]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JYE00CMTUDUUP90@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:27:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marduk.eng.sun.com (marduk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.108.224]) by dm-eng-02.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m2RMRT6s035704; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:27:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marduk.eng.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by marduk.eng.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m2RNRtO2015894; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:27:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gww@localhost) by marduk.eng.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id m2RNRtmE015893; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:27:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:27:55 -0800 (PST) From: Gary Winiger Subject: Re: Integrate libdvdnav into Solaris [PSARC/2008/225 FastTrack timeout 04/03/2008] To: PSARC-ext@sun.com, dhain@sac.sfbay.sun.com Cc: Zachary.Kissel@sun.com Message-id: <200803272327.m2RNRtmE015893@marduk.eng.sun.com> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 Status: RO Content-Length: 163 > /usr/lib/libdvdread.so Is there a corresponding dvd player expected? It seems odd to have just a library without an application or browser plugin. Gary.. From Torrey.McMahon@sun.com Thu Mar 27 15:35:57 2008 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m2RMZuGp001827 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:35:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m2RMZhnQ029902 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 06:35:55 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JYE00101URTLD00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:35:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com ([192.18.98.34]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JYE00CGWURSUZB0@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:35:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m2RMZqwk017634 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:35:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JYE00F01T4LD200@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Torrey.McMahon@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:35:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([69.143.10.23]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JYE0059VUR99370@mail-amer.sun.com>; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:35:35 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:35:33 -0400 From: Torrey McMahon Subject: Re: Integrate libdvdnav into Solaris [PSARC/2008/225 FastTrack timeout 04/03/2008] In-reply-to: <200803272327.m2RNRtmE015893@marduk.eng.sun.com> Sender: Torrey.McMahon@sun.com To: Gary Winiger Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, dhain@sac.sfbay.sun.com, Zachary.Kissel@sun.com Message-id: <47EC2135.6010001@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200803272327.m2RNRtmE015893@marduk.eng.sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) Status: RO Content-Length: 435 Gary Winiger wrote: > > Is there a corresponding dvd player expected? It seems odd to have > just a library without an application or browser plugin. Did anyone notice that the code itself hasn't been touched since 2004? The dev list looked pretty dead too. If its good stuff to have it doesn't need to be updated all the time but I think it begs the question if we're adding in morbid code....though maybe not an ARC concern. From Daniel.Hain@sun.com Thu Mar 27 15:37:26 2008 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m2RMbPTN001843 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:37:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m2RMb8eP000575 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 06:37:25 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JYE0030HUUBX900@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.COM); Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:37:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.43.132]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JYE0017MUUB3350@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.COM); Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:37:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m2RMbNL6026710 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:37:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JYE00H01UOUK900@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> (original mail from Daniel.Hain@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@Sun.COM (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.COM); Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:37:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Macintosh.local ([72.197.213.236]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JYE00JZKUTC6H80@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com>; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:36:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:36:46 -0700 From: Dan Hain Subject: Re: Integrate libdvdnav into Solaris [PSARC/2008/225 FastTrack timeout 04/03/2008] In-reply-to: <200803272327.m2RNRtmE015893@marduk.eng.sun.com> Sender: Daniel.Hain@sun.com To: Gary Winiger Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, Zachary.Kissel@sun.com Message-id: <47EC217E.7040809@sun.com> Organization: Solaris Revenue Product Engineering MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200803272327.m2RNRtmE015893@marduk.eng.sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) Status: RO Content-Length: 954 Gary Winiger wrote: >> /usr/lib/libdvdread.so >> > > Is there a corresponding dvd player expected? It seems odd to have > just a library without an application or browser plugin. > > Gary.. > Yes. The Ogle player is planned for implementation as part of Indiana by Dermot McCluskey. He doesn't currently have a target integration, but supports our integration of this now. -- Dan Hain Solaris Revenue Product Engineering (RPE) From Daniel.Hain@sun.com Thu Mar 27 15:39:37 2008 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m2RMdaPI001861 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:39:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m2RMdTrt001469 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 06:39:35 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JYE00403UXY0A00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.COM); Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:39:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.43.132]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JYE001OGUXX3D50@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.COM); Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:39:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m2RMdXvS026945 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:39:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JYE00J01USNFD00@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> (original mail from Daniel.Hain@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@Sun.COM (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.COM); Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:39:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Macintosh.local ([72.197.213.236]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JYE00J6LUXW6HA0@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@Sun.COM (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.COM); Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:39:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:39:30 -0700 From: Dan Hain Subject: Re: Integrate libdvdnav into Solaris [PSARC/2008/225 FastTrack timeout 04/03/2008] In-reply-to: <47EC1F17.50004@sun.com> Sender: Daniel.Hain@sun.com Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, Zachary.Kissel@sun.com Message-id: <47EC2222.1050803@sun.com> Organization: Solaris Revenue Product Engineering MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200803272214.m2RMEcPF001607@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <47EC1F17.50004@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) Status: RO Content-Length: 4647 Brian Cameron wrote: > > In speaking with the GStreamer developers, they indicated that libdvdnav > most likely contains IP which requires license to distribute. Is this > the case? > > Has this gone through legal review to determine whether there are patent > issues? Yes: *Review #: * 8050 *Review Type: * Full *Review State: * Approved *OpenSource/Freeware Technology: * libdvdnav v. 2.0 *Intended Use:* * Distribution outside of Sun: o As a stand alone distribution of open source technology (Sun Supplemental, Companion or Demonstration CD or Web Site); Dan > > Brian > > >> Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.64 07/13/07 SMI >> This information is Copyright 2008 Sun Microsystems >> 1. Introduction >> 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: >> Integrate libdvdnav into Solaris >> 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: >> Author: Zachary Kissel >> 1.3 Date of This Document: >> 27 March, 2008 >> 4. Technical Description >> Proposal: >> >> Integrate libdvdnav into Solaris >> >> Details: >> >> libdvdnav provides a simple foundation for reading the navigation >> information off of a video DVD. Specifically libdvdnav allows one >> to easily use: >> >> 1. DVD Menus >> 2. Multiangle Playback >> 3. Interactive DVD games >> >> The API provides DVD playback as a single logical stream of >> blocks, intermitted by special dvdnav events to report certain >> conditions. >> >> libdvdnav used to be part of both the Oogle project and part of a >> plugin for the Xine media player. However, the library now stands >> on its own. The libdvdnav library is written and maintained by: >> >> Daniel Caujolle-Bert >> Thomas Vander Stichele >> Rich Wareham >> Kees Cook >> Michael Roitzsch >> Frantisek Dvorak >> James Courtier-Dutton >> >> The current version of libdvdnav is 0.1.10 (Released: June 9, >> 2004). Sun will provide packages that install on both x86/x64 and >> SPARC architectures. >> >> Exported Interfaces: >> >> SUNWlibdvdnav Uncommitted package >> name >> /usr/lib/libdvdread.so Uncommitted library >> /usr/include/dvdnav/dvd_reader.h Uncommitted header file >> /usr/include/dvdnav/dvd_types.h Uncommitted header >> file >> /usr/include/dvdnav/dvdnav.h Uncommitted header file >> /usr/include/dvdnav/dvdnav_events.h Uncommitted header file >> /usr/include/dvdnav/ifo_print.h Uncommitted header >> file >> /usr/include/dvdnav/ifo_read.h Uncommitted header file >> /usr/include/dvdnav/ifo_types.h Uncommitted header >> file >> /usr/include/dvdnav/nav_print.h Uncommitted header >> file >> /usr/include/dvdnav/nav_read.h Uncommitted header file >> /usr/include/dvdnav/nav_types.h Uncommitted header >> file >> libdvdnav C APIs Uncommitted API >> >> Doc Impact: >> New man page: libdvdnav.3LIB (see case directory). This is a new >> man >> page since the open source community does not provide one. >> It provides basic information about the library, and points users >> to the >> project's homepage. >> Security Impact: >> >> None. >> >> References: >> [1] http://dvd.sourceforge.net/ >> >> [2] 6658278 Port libdvdnav-0.1.10 to Solaris >> >> >> >> >> >> 6. Resources and Schedule >> 6.4. Steering Committee requested information >> 6.4.1. Consolidation C-team Name: >> sfw >> 6.5. ARC review type: FastTrack >> 6.6. ARC Exposure: open >> >> _______________________________________________ >> opensolaris-arc mailing list >> opensolaris-arc@opensolaris.org > -- Dan Hain Solaris Revenue Product Engineering (RPE) From gww@eng.sun.com Thu Mar 27 15:50:47 2008 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m2RMokEs002092 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:50:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m2RMoTA8023976 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:50:45 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JYE0040TVGKKR00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:50:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm-eng-02.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.11.32]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JYE0015ZVGJ3360@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:50:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marduk.eng.sun.com (marduk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.108.224]) by dm-eng-02.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m2RMogUh053052; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:50:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marduk.eng.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by marduk.eng.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m2RNp8qV015948; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:51:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gww@localhost) by marduk.eng.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id m2RNp8Eg015947; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:51:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:51:08 -0800 (PST) From: Gary Winiger Subject: Re: Integrate libdvdnav into Solaris [PSARC/2008/225 FastTrack timeout 04/03/2008] To: gww@eng.sun.com, Daniel.Hain@sun.com Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, Zachary.Kissel@sun.com Message-id: <200803272351.m2RNp8Eg015947@marduk.eng.sun.com> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 Status: RO Content-Length: 591 > >> /usr/lib/libdvdread.so > >> > > > > Is there a corresponding dvd player expected? It seems odd to have > > just a library without an application or browser plugin. > > > > Gary.. > > > Yes. The Ogle player is planned for implementation as part of Indiana by > Dermot McCluskey. He doesn't currently have a target integration, but > supports our integration of this now. I didn't have a problem with doing the library now, I just wondered if we were expecting to also ship a player, or there was some other connection that the library was coming by it self. Gary.. From Brian.Cameron@sun.com Thu Mar 27 16:39:00 2008 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m2RNd0No004761 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:39:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m2RNcxAS062019 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:39:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JYE00N05XOZ3V00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:38:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com ([192.18.98.36]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JYE00A52XOYYOB0@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:38:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m2RNcwsH004984 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:38:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JYE00D01XIGL500@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Brian.Cameron@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:38:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.64] ([189.136.49.170]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JYE00E66XOL7I10@mail-amer.sun.com>; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:38:47 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:38:47 -0500 From: Brian Cameron Subject: Re: Integrate libdvdnav into Solaris [PSARC/2008/225 FastTrack timeout 04/03/2008] In-reply-to: <47EC217E.7040809@sun.com> Sender: Brian.Cameron@sun.com To: Dan Hain Cc: Gary Winiger , PSARC-ext@sun.com, Zachary.Kissel@sun.com Message-id: <47EC3007.1090000@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200803272327.m2RNRtmE015893@marduk.eng.sun.com> <47EC217E.7040809@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20080225) Status: RO Content-Length: 1155 Dan: > Yes. The Ogle player is planned for implementation as part of Indiana by > Dermot McCluskey. He doesn't currently have a target integration, but > supports our integration of this now. The Ogle player is licensed under the GPL. This means that you cannot link any any non-free code. Since DVD's (even unencrypted ones) are encoded in MPEG2 formats, you cannot distribute Ogle with MPEG2 support even if you have a license to distribute MPEG2. The Ogle player would require a GPL exception to allow distributing it with support for MPEG2 codecs. Is your plan to only support unencrypted DVD's that are encoded in free video/audio media formats, such as theora? I don't think any such DVD's exist, unless you make them yourself. It seems we should be integrating a DVD player that can be distributed without violating GPL. Further, I notice in your OSR (8050) that you didn't highlight any patent issues in the Engineering section, question #9. Isn't it fairly well known that DVD technologies are heavily encumbered. I would think we should be highlighting that a careful look at patents is required in a case like this. No? Brian From sacadmin Thu Mar 27 22:00:14 2008 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m2S50Eth012675 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:00:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m2S506TQ001785 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:psarc-members@sun.com>; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:00:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JYF00L0HCKCJ100@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for psarc-members@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-members@sun.com); Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:00:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.43.132]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JYF00BFGCKCPL80@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for psarc-members@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-members@sun.com); Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:00:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-09.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m2S50CdK019442 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:00:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-09.sun.com by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JYF00101CDH9500@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> (original mail from gdamore@sun.com) for psarc-members@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-members@sun.com); Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:00:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.251.106] ([76.174.83.55]) by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JYF00FZSCKB1HD0@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> for psarc-members@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-members@sun.com); Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:00:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:56:53 -0700 From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: Re: Integrate libdvdnav into Solaris [PSARC/2008/225 FastTrack timeout 04/03/2008] In-reply-to: <47EC2222.1050803@sun.com> Sender: Garrett.Damore@sun.com To: Dan Hain Cc: psarc-members@sun.com, Zachary.Kissel@sun.com Message-id: <47EC7A95.5080706@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200803272214.m2RMEcPF001607@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <47EC1F17.50004@sun.com> <47EC2222.1050803@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071023) Status: RO Content-Length: 5988 (I've changed this to psarc-members@ for now, as this really needs to be discussed internally.) I am a bit uncomfortable that the OSR process actually covers patent checks? I believe that OSR normally covers *licensing* issues, but I'd really like to see an affirmation from one of the legal team who reviewed this that, yes, patent considerations were taken under advisement and we believe this software to be free from patent encumberance (or that some sort of "known risk" decision was made by an appropriate VP). I see this problem, the confusion of OSR and patent issues, come up from time to time -- it came up in my SDcard case as a matter of fact. I know that I had potential patent issues which needed to be resolved by legal, and yet I was not required to get an OSR, as the actual source code is not distribution license encumbered. As an aside, on this particular case, I share concerns already about the usefulness of libdvdnav without an accompanying useful player -- I'd rather have seen both the player and the library integrated together, along with any considerations required as far as licensing goes. (libdvdnav could then start live with "Private" or "Volatile" binding, or even just be linked statically rather than dynamically.) I'm pretty sure DVD playback is in fact patent encumbered. IIRC it seems the case that to play encrypted DVDs (which are the vast majority of them) one needs to have a fully featured region-aware player, which seems to require a license from the DVD industry association. For unencrypted dvds, I think totem which already ships with gnome is probably sufficient -- though since I've not got any such DVDs I haven't actually verified this. -- Garrett Dan Hain wrote: > Brian Cameron wrote: >> >> In speaking with the GStreamer developers, they indicated that libdvdnav >> most likely contains IP which requires license to distribute. Is this >> the case? >> >> Has this gone through legal review to determine whether there are patent >> issues? > Yes: > > *Review #: * 8050 > *Review Type: * Full > *Review State: * Approved > *OpenSource/Freeware Technology: * libdvdnav v. 2.0 > *Intended Use:* > > * Distribution outside of Sun: > o As a stand alone distribution of open source technology (Sun > Supplemental, Companion or Demonstration CD or Web Site); > > > Dan >> >> Brian >> >> >>> Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.64 07/13/07 SMI >>> This information is Copyright 2008 Sun Microsystems >>> 1. Introduction >>> 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: >>> Integrate libdvdnav into Solaris >>> 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: >>> Author: Zachary Kissel >>> 1.3 Date of This Document: >>> 27 March, 2008 >>> 4. Technical Description >>> Proposal: >>> >>> Integrate libdvdnav into Solaris >>> >>> Details: >>> >>> libdvdnav provides a simple foundation for reading the >>> navigation information off of a video DVD. Specifically >>> libdvdnav allows one to easily use: >>> >>> 1. DVD Menus >>> 2. Multiangle Playback >>> 3. Interactive DVD games >>> >>> The API provides DVD playback as a single logical stream of >>> blocks, intermitted by special dvdnav events to report certain >>> conditions. >>> >>> libdvdnav used to be part of both the Oogle project and part of >>> a plugin for the Xine media player. However, the library now >>> stands on its own. The libdvdnav library is written and >>> maintained by: >>> Daniel Caujolle-Bert >>> Thomas Vander Stichele >>> Rich Wareham >>> Kees Cook >>> Michael Roitzsch >>> Frantisek Dvorak >>> James Courtier-Dutton >>> >>> The current version of libdvdnav is 0.1.10 (Released: June 9, >>> 2004). Sun will provide packages that install on both x86/x64 >>> and SPARC architectures. >>> >>> Exported Interfaces: >>> >>> SUNWlibdvdnav Uncommitted >>> package name >>> /usr/lib/libdvdread.so Uncommitted >>> library /usr/include/dvdnav/dvd_reader.h Uncommitted >>> header file >>> /usr/include/dvdnav/dvd_types.h Uncommitted header >>> file >>> /usr/include/dvdnav/dvdnav.h Uncommitted header file >>> /usr/include/dvdnav/dvdnav_events.h Uncommitted header file >>> /usr/include/dvdnav/ifo_print.h Uncommitted header >>> file >>> /usr/include/dvdnav/ifo_read.h Uncommitted header >>> file >>> /usr/include/dvdnav/ifo_types.h Uncommitted header >>> file >>> /usr/include/dvdnav/nav_print.h Uncommitted header >>> file >>> /usr/include/dvdnav/nav_read.h Uncommitted header >>> file >>> /usr/include/dvdnav/nav_types.h Uncommitted header >>> file >>> libdvdnav C APIs Uncommitted API >>> >>> Doc Impact: >>> New man page: libdvdnav.3LIB (see case directory). This is a >>> new man >>> page since the open source community does not provide one. >>> It provides basic information about the library, and points >>> users to the >>> project's homepage. >>> Security Impact: >>> >>> None. >>> >>> References: >>> [1] http://dvd.sourceforge.net/ >>> >>> [2] 6658278 Port libdvdnav-0.1.10 to Solaris >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 6. Resources and Schedule >>> 6.4. Steering Committee requested information >>> 6.4.1. Consolidation C-team Name: >>> sfw >>> 6.5. ARC review type: FastTrack >>> 6.6. ARC Exposure: open >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> opensolaris-arc mailing list >>> opensolaris-arc@opensolaris.org >> > > From sacadmin Thu Mar 27 22:26:47 2008 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m2S5Qkho012872 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:26:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m2S5Qivs000765 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:psarc-members@sun.com>; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:26:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JYF00503DSLBW00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for psarc-members@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-members@sun.com); Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:26:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gmp-eb-inf-1.sun.com ([192.18.6.21]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JYF00257DSKL710@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for psarc-members@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-members@sun.com); Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:26:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fe-emea-09.sun.com (gmp-eb-lb-2-fe1.eu.sun.com [192.18.6.10]) by gmp-eb-inf-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m2S5QitE012349 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 05:26:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-emea-09.sun.com by fe-emea-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JYF00E01DMI0L00@fe-emea-09.sun.com> (original mail from Laszlo.Peter@Sun.COM) for psarc-members@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-members@sun.com); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 05:26:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.2.101] ([60.234.117.94]) by fe-emea-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JYF005YEDSG2N30@fe-emea-09.sun.com> for psarc-members@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-members@sun.com); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 05:26:43 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:26:38 +1300 From: "Laszlo (Laca) Peter" Subject: Re: Integrate libdvdnav into Solaris [PSARC/2008/225 FastTrack timeout 04/03/2008] In-reply-to: <47EC7A95.5080706@sun.com> Sender: Laszlo.Peter@sun.com To: "Garrett D'Amore" Cc: Dan Hain , psarc-members@sun.com, Zachary.Kissel@sun.com Reply-to: laca@sun.com Message-id: <1206681998.966.72.camel@localhost> Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.2 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200803272214.m2RMEcPF001607@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <47EC1F17.50004@sun.com> <47EC2222.1050803@sun.com> <47EC7A95.5080706@sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 864 On Thu, 2008-03-27 at 21:56 -0700, Garrett D'Amore wrote: > I'm pretty sure DVD playback is in fact patent encumbered. IIRC it > seems the case that to play encrypted DVDs (which are the vast majority > of them) one needs to have a fully featured region-aware player, which > seems to require a license from the DVD industry association. That's libdvdplay and libdvdcss, not libdvdnav. libdvdnav is used for navigating dvd menus. Also, in most modern systems the dvd drive itself enforces the region, none of these libraries help you get around it. > For unencrypted dvds, I think totem which already ships with gnome is > probably sufficient -- though since I've not got any such DVDs I haven't > actually verified this. It's not. Totem can play video files located on a dvd media, but that's very different from playing an unencrypted dvd. Laca From sacadmin Thu Mar 27 22:28:59 2008 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m2S5Sxbv012885 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:28:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m2S5SuPj009407; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 05:28:56 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JYF00101DW7W300@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:28:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm-eng-02.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.11.32]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JYF0018GDW7OS00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:28:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marduk.eng.sun.com (marduk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.108.224]) by dm-eng-02.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m2S5StUB031722; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:28:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marduk.eng.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by marduk.eng.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m2S6TLWA016242; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:29:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gww@localhost) by marduk.eng.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id m2S6TL4r016241; Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:29:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:29:21 -0800 (PST) From: Gary Winiger Subject: Re: Integrate libdvdnav into Solaris [PSARC/2008/225 FastTrack timeout 04/03/2008] To: Daniel.Hain@sun.com, gdamore@sun.com Cc: psarc-members@sun.com, Zachary.Kissel@sun.com Message-id: <200803280629.m2S6TL4r016241@marduk.eng.sun.com> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 Status: RO Content-Length: 1005 > (I've changed this to psarc-members@ for now, as this really needs to be > discussed internally.) > > I am a bit uncomfortable that the OSR process actually covers patent > checks? I believe that OSR normally covers *licensing* issues, but I'd Beyond notifying OSR which at least in ON is part of the integration process, why is this architecutral? Indeed it is an important thing for every Sun citizen to point out to mgmt and legal, but beyond that what's to be said of the proposed architecture? The EVPs and Lawyers get paid the $$$$$$ to keep Sun's butt out of trouble. Once disclosed to them, IMO, the ARCs job is to see how this fits with the Solaris architecture. Perhaps someone will soon clairfy what the Solaris architecture actually is since mgmt seems to transmogrify it continually. This has been my primary question since Harpster started the controvsery/dialogue/converasation a couple years ago and bailed without converging on answers any of the issues. Gary.. From sacadmin Fri Mar 28 01:18:54 2008 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m2S8Is73017978 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 01:18:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m2S8Ip1X014695 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:psarc-members@sun.com>; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 01:18:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JYF00K07LRGO600@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for psarc-members@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-members@sun.com); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 01:18:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gmp-eb-inf-1.sun.com ([192.18.6.21]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JYF00F55LREIGB0@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for psarc-members@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-members@sun.com); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 01:18:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-emea-10.sun.com (gmp-eb-lb-2-fe2.eu.sun.com [192.18.6.11]) by gmp-eb-inf-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m2S8Iobp020608 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:18:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-emea-10.sun.com by fe-emea-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JYF00801LLSFU00@fe-emea-10.sun.com> (original mail from Andrew.Gabriel@Sun.COM) for psarc-members@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-members@sun.com); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:18:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.9.200.17] ([81.187.162.106]) by fe-emea-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JYF00DX4LRDQBD0@fe-emea-10.sun.com> for psarc-members@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-members@sun.com); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:18:50 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:20:15 +0000 From: Andrew Gabriel Subject: Re: Integrate libdvdnav into Solaris [PSARC/2008/225 FastTrack timeout 04/03/2008] In-reply-to: <1206681998.966.72.camel@localhost> Sender: Andrew.Gabriel@sun.com To: laca@sun.com Cc: "Garrett D'Amore" , Dan Hain , psarc-members@sun.com, Zachary.Kissel@sun.com Message-id: <47ECAA3F.5090703@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200803272214.m2RMEcPF001607@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <47EC1F17.50004@sun.com> <47EC2222.1050803@sun.com> <47EC7A95.5080706@sun.com> <1206681998.966.72.camel@localhost> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071105) Status: RO Content-Length: 1142 Laszlo (Laca) Peter wrote: > On Thu, 2008-03-27 at 21:56 -0700, Garrett D'Amore wrote: >> I'm pretty sure DVD playback is in fact patent encumbered. IIRC it >> seems the case that to play encrypted DVDs (which are the vast majority >> of them) one needs to have a fully featured region-aware player, which >> seems to require a license from the DVD industry association. > > That's libdvdplay and libdvdcss, not libdvdnav. > libdvdnav is used for navigating dvd menus. > > Also, in most modern systems the dvd drive itself enforces the region, > none of these libraries help you get around it. > >> For unencrypted dvds, I think totem which already ships with gnome is >> probably sufficient -- though since I've not got any such DVDs I haven't >> actually verified this. > > It's not. Totem can play video files located on a dvd media, > but that's very different from playing an unencrypted dvd. Totem from blastwave can play unencrypted DVD's directly. The Totem we ship couldn't play any media at all last time I tried it (some builds back). I assumed it was built wrongly and/or with no access to any codecs. -- Andrew From sacadmin Fri Mar 28 02:14:46 2008 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m2S9EjBs019638 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:14:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m2S9Ef6Y011346 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:psarc-members@sun.com>; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:14:44 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JYF00309OCJ6P00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for psarc-members@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-members@sun.com); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:14:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.43.133]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JYF00M08OCIP330@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for psarc-members@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-members@sun.com); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:14:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-09.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m2S9EgkX021000 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:14:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-09.sun.com by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JYF00E01O8J1R00@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> (original mail from gdamore@sun.com) for psarc-members@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-members@sun.com); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:14:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.251.106] ([76.174.83.55]) by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JYF00C9GOCIE010@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com>; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:14:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:11:24 -0700 From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: Re: Integrate libdvdnav into Solaris [PSARC/2008/225 FastTrack timeout 04/03/2008] In-reply-to: <200803280629.m2S6TL4r016241@marduk.eng.sun.com> Sender: Garrett.Damore@sun.com To: Gary Winiger Cc: Daniel.Hain@sun.com, psarc-members@sun.com, Zachary.Kissel@sun.com Message-id: <47ECB63C.9030201@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200803280629.m2S6TL4r016241@marduk.eng.sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071023) Status: RO Content-Length: 1309 Gary Winiger wrote: >> (I've changed this to psarc-members@ for now, as this really needs to be >> discussed internally.) >> >> I am a bit uncomfortable that the OSR process actually covers patent >> checks? I believe that OSR normally covers *licensing* issues, but I'd >> > > Beyond notifying OSR which at least in ON is part of the integration > process, why is this architecutral? Indeed it is an important thing > for every Sun citizen to point out to mgmt and legal, but beyond > that what's to be said of the proposed architecture? The EVPs and > Lawyers get paid the $$$$$$ to keep Sun's butt out of trouble. Once > disclosed to them, IMO, the ARCs job is to see how this fits with > the Solaris architecture. Perhaps someone will soon clairfy what > the Solaris architecture actually is since mgmt seems to transmogrify > it continually. This has been my primary question since Harpster > started the controvsery/dialogue/converasation a couple years ago > and bailed without converging on answers any of the issues. > Oh, my comments (at least the patent/OSR concerns) are clearly not "architectural", but just as a concerned citizen. My concerns/thoughts that shipping this without a functional player (i.e. a consumer), however, are architectural. -- Garrett From sacadmin Fri Mar 28 02:18:59 2008 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m2S9IxBa019666 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:18:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m2S9IwYj001010 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:psarc-members@sun.com>; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:18:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JYF0030BOJMNI00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for psarc-members@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-members@sun.com); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:18:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.43.132]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JYF00MFAOJLP330@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for psarc-members@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-members@sun.com); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:18:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m2S9IvNn025680 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:18:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JYF00001OIRIR00@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> (original mail from gdamore@sun.com) for psarc-members@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-members@sun.com); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:18:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.251.106] ([76.174.83.55]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JYF00LCIOJLI1C0@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> for psarc-members@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-members@sun.com); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:18:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:15:39 -0700 From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: Re: Integrate libdvdnav into Solaris [PSARC/2008/225 FastTrack timeout 04/03/2008] In-reply-to: <47ECAA3F.5090703@sun.com> Sender: Garrett.Damore@sun.com To: Andrew Gabriel Cc: laca@sun.com, Dan Hain , psarc-members@sun.com, Zachary.Kissel@sun.com Message-id: <47ECB73B.8050902@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200803272214.m2RMEcPF001607@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <47EC1F17.50004@sun.com> <47EC2222.1050803@sun.com> <47EC7A95.5080706@sun.com> <1206681998.966.72.camel@localhost> <47ECAA3F.5090703@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071023) Status: RO Content-Length: 1740 Andrew Gabriel wrote: > Laszlo (Laca) Peter wrote: >> On Thu, 2008-03-27 at 21:56 -0700, Garrett D'Amore wrote: >>> I'm pretty sure DVD playback is in fact patent encumbered. IIRC it >>> seems the case that to play encrypted DVDs (which are the vast >>> majority of them) one needs to have a fully featured region-aware >>> player, which seems to require a license from the DVD industry >>> association. >> >> That's libdvdplay and libdvdcss, not libdvdnav. >> libdvdnav is used for navigating dvd menus. >> >> Also, in most modern systems the dvd drive itself enforces the region, >> none of these libraries help you get around it. Ah, thanks for the clarification. >> >>> For unencrypted dvds, I think totem which already ships with gnome >>> is probably sufficient -- though since I've not got any such DVDs I >>> haven't actually verified this. >> >> It's not. Totem can play video files located on a dvd media, >> but that's very different from playing an unencrypted dvd. > > Totem from blastwave can play unencrypted DVD's directly. > The Totem we ship couldn't play any media at all last time I tried it > (some builds back). I assumed it was built wrongly and/or with no > access to any codecs. > Funny, totem has never worked for me either. I figured the same -- missing codecs, without which it is junkware. I would still prefer to see this library as a "private API" delivered with a consumer (i.e. a functional player) -- unless, is there some rational reason for this functionality to exist without such a player? (I suspect enabling blastwave-compiled applications isn't much of a goal here since blastwave already ships their own libdvdnav?) I didn't investigate further at the time. -- Garrett From sacadmin Fri Mar 28 02:34:20 2008 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m2S9YJ9D019738 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:34:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m2S9Y6R5020665; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:34:17 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JYF00501P928600@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:34:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm-holland-02.uk.sun.com ([129.156.101.225]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JYF00MX5P91P340@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:34:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from holland (room101.Holland.Sun.COM [10.16.117.40]) by dm-holland-02.uk.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m2S9YAJM009239; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:34:10 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:34:10 +0100 From: Casper.Dik@sun.com Subject: Re: Integrate libdvdnav into Solaris [PSARC/2008/225 FastTrack timeout 04/03/2008] In-reply-to: <47ECB73B.8050902@sun.com> Sender: casper@holland.sun.com To: "Garrett D'Amore" Cc: Andrew Gabriel , laca@sun.com, Dan Hain , psarc-members@sun.com, Zachary.Kissel@sun.com Message-id: <200803280934.m2S9YAJM009239@dm-holland-02.uk.sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200803272214.m2RMEcPF001607@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <47EC1F17.50004@sun.com> <47EC2222.1050803@sun.com> <47EC7A95.5080706@sun.com> <1206681998.966.72.camel@localhost> <47ECAA3F.5090703@sun.com> <47ECB73B.8050902@sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 518 >Andrew Gabriel wrote: >> Laszlo (Laca) Peter wrote: >>> Also, in most modern systems the dvd drive itself enforces the region, >>> none of these libraries help you get around it. > >Ah, thanks for the clarification. I'm not sure that that is 100% true; only a few vendors that I am aware of ship drives which refuse to return encrypted data; others just return the encrypted data (note, though, that the majority of slimline drives are made by a single manufacturer which enforces this restriction) > Casper From sacadmin Fri Mar 28 04:03:23 2008 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m2SB3Nwk021542 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 04:03:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m2SB3LAK028747 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:psarc-members@sun.com>; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 05:03:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JYF00D03TDMRQ00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for psarc-members@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-members@sun.com); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 04:03:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gmp-eb-inf-2.sun.com ([192.18.6.24]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JYF00DK0TDLDX10@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for psarc-members@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-members@sun.com); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 04:03:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-emea-10.sun.com (gmp-eb-lb-2-fe1.eu.sun.com [192.18.6.10]) by gmp-eb-inf-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m2SB3Lba028773 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:03:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-emea-10.sun.com by fe-emea-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JYF00B01RBUVV00@fe-emea-10.sun.com> (original mail from Darren.Moffat@Sun.COM) for psarc-members@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-members@sun.com); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:03:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [129.156.173.199] by fe-emea-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JYF00ECSTDHWQ00@fe-emea-10.sun.com>; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:03:18 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:03:17 +0000 From: Darren J Moffat Subject: Re: Integrate libdvdnav into Solaris [PSARC/2008/225 FastTrack timeout 04/03/2008] In-reply-to: <47ECB63C.9030201@sun.com> Sender: Darren.Moffat@sun.com To: "Garrett D'Amore" Cc: Gary Winiger , Daniel.Hain@sun.com, psarc-members@sun.com, Zachary.Kissel@sun.com Message-id: <47ECD075.6040309@Sun.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200803280629.m2S6TL4r016241@marduk.eng.sun.com> <47ECB63C.9030201@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20080225) Status: RO Content-Length: 168 The OSR process covers, license, patent, trademark, export control. There as explicit questions for each of those as part of the OSR review data. -- Darren J Moffat From carlsonj@phorcys.east.sun.com Fri Mar 28 05:51:04 2008 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m2SCp4wJ023445 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 05:51:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m2SCp1kl029391; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 05:51:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JYF00I0FYD25700@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 05:51:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com ([129.148.174.143]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JYF00HX2YD0K300@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 05:51:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.2+Sun/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m2SCoxjq012547; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:50:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from carlsonj@localhost) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.2+Sun/8.14.2/Submit) id m2SCoxN6012544; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:50:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:50:59 -0400 From: James Carlson Subject: Re: Integrate libdvdnav into Solaris [PSARC/2008/225 FastTrack timeout 04/03/2008] In-reply-to: <47EC3007.1090000@sun.com> To: Brian Cameron Cc: Dan Hain , Gary Winiger , PSARC-ext@sun.com, Zachary.Kissel@sun.com Message-id: <18412.59827.452989.249158@gargle.gargle.HOWL> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VM 7.01 under Emacs 21.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200803272327.m2RNRtmE015893@marduk.eng.sun.com> <47EC217E.7040809@sun.com> <47EC3007.1090000@sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 1980 Brian Cameron writes: > > Dan: > > > Yes. The Ogle player is planned for implementation as part of Indiana by > > Dermot McCluskey. He doesn't currently have a target integration, but > > supports our integration of this now. > > The Ogle player is licensed under the GPL. This means that you cannot > link any any non-free code. There are at least two completely separate issues here that I think you're blurring together. If it were true that GPL Ogle couldn't use a "non-free" library, then it couldn't use the non-GPL libc on S10, nor could any other GPL code. I've never seen GPL interpreted that way, and it doesn't sound quite right. The _separate_ issue is the patent one. GPL requires you to include grants for any patents required to use the software, or GPL just immolates itself in a fit of pique. If there are such restrictions that apply to the navigation menus (really?), then that's a real problem for this project. (And probably the upstream author as well.) In any event, neither issue is really architectural. These are things for the project teams to discuss with their lawyers, and make sure they're doing the Right Things. An architectural issue would be: So what's the deal with libdvdnav and libdvdnav2, and which variant are you really shipping? > Further, I notice in your OSR (8050) that you didn't highlight any > patent issues in the Engineering section, question #9. Isn't it fairly > well known that DVD technologies are heavily encumbered. I would > think we should be highlighting that a careful look at patents is > required in a case like this. No? That's a matter between the project team and their lawyers. It certainly should _NOT_ be discussed on an open list like this. Please stop here. -- James Carlson, Solaris Networking Sun Microsystems / 35 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677 From sacadmin Fri Mar 28 08:37:22 2008 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m2SFbLQY028859 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:37:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m2SFawe9016221 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:psarc-members@sun.com>; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:37:20 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JYG0033V624HF00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for psarc-members@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-members@sun.com); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:37:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.43.133]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JYG00MJ8621H940@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for psarc-members@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-members@sun.com); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:37:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m2SFbCUD005372 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:37:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JYG00F015Y3SV00@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> (original mail from gdamore@sun.com) for psarc-members@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-members@sun.com); Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:37:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.251.106] ([76.174.83.55]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JYG00FEO61WSP90@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com>; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:37:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:33:48 -0700 From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: Re: Integrate libdvdnav into Solaris [PSARC/2008/225 FastTrack timeout 04/03/2008] In-reply-to: <47ECD075.6040309@Sun.COM> Sender: Garrett.Damore@sun.com To: Darren J Moffat Cc: Gary Winiger , Daniel.Hain@sun.com, psarc-members@sun.com, Zachary.Kissel@sun.com Message-id: <47ED0FDC.1040205@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200803280629.m2S6TL4r016241@marduk.eng.sun.com> <47ECB63C.9030201@sun.com> <47ECD075.6040309@Sun.COM> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071023) Status: RO Content-Length: 250 Darren J Moffat wrote: > The OSR process covers, license, patent, trademark, export control. > > There as explicit questions for each of those as part of the OSR > review data. > > -- > Darren J Moffat Thanks for the clarification. -- Garrett From Daniel.Hain@sun.com Wed Apr 2 11:24:06 2008 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m32IO5dq013368 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 11:24:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m32IO2wB019237 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; 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Wed, 02 Apr 2008 11:24:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-usan09-88-152.West.Sun.COM ([129.153.88.152]) by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JYP00N4IN3L2IH0@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com>; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 11:23:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 11:23:43 -0700 From: Dan Hain Subject: Re: Integrate libdvdnav into Solaris [PSARC/2008/225 FastTrack timeout 04/03/2008] In-reply-to: <200803272214.m2RMEcPF001607@sac.sfbay.sun.com> Sender: Daniel.Hain@sun.com To: Daniel Hain Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, Zachary.Kissel@sun.com Message-id: <47F3CF2F.8060009@sun.com> Organization: Solaris Revenue Product Engineering MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200803272214.m2RMEcPF001607@sac.sfbay.sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) Status: RO Content-Length: 3574 This case was approved during today's PSARC meeting. Dan Daniel Hain wrote: > Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.64 07/13/07 SMI > This information is Copyright 2008 Sun Microsystems > 1. Introduction > 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: > Integrate libdvdnav into Solaris > 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: > Author: Zachary Kissel > 1.3 Date of This Document: > 27 March, 2008 > 4. Technical Description > Proposal: > > Integrate libdvdnav into Solaris > > Details: > > libdvdnav provides a simple foundation for reading the navigation > information off of a video DVD. Specifically libdvdnav allows one > to easily use: > > 1. DVD Menus > 2. Multiangle Playback > 3. Interactive DVD games > > The API provides DVD playback as a single logical stream of blocks, > intermitted by special dvdnav events to report certain conditions. > > libdvdnav used to be part of both the Oogle project and part of a > plugin for the Xine media player. However, the library now stands > on its own. The libdvdnav library is written and maintained by: > > Daniel Caujolle-Bert > Thomas Vander Stichele > Rich Wareham > Kees Cook > Michael Roitzsch > Frantisek Dvorak > James Courtier-Dutton > > The current version of libdvdnav is 0.1.10 (Released: June 9, 2004). > Sun will provide packages that install on both x86/x64 and SPARC > architectures. > > Exported Interfaces: > > SUNWlibdvdnav Uncommitted package name > /usr/lib/libdvdread.so Uncommitted library > /usr/include/dvdnav/dvd_reader.h Uncommitted header file > /usr/include/dvdnav/dvd_types.h Uncommitted header file > /usr/include/dvdnav/dvdnav.h Uncommitted header file > /usr/include/dvdnav/dvdnav_events.h Uncommitted header file > /usr/include/dvdnav/ifo_print.h Uncommitted header file > /usr/include/dvdnav/ifo_read.h Uncommitted header file > /usr/include/dvdnav/ifo_types.h Uncommitted header file > /usr/include/dvdnav/nav_print.h Uncommitted header file > /usr/include/dvdnav/nav_read.h Uncommitted header file > /usr/include/dvdnav/nav_types.h Uncommitted header file > libdvdnav C APIs Uncommitted API > > Doc Impact: > New man page: libdvdnav.3LIB (see case directory). This is a new man > page since the open source community does not provide one. > It provides basic information about the library, and points users to the > project's homepage. > > Security Impact: > > None. > > References: > [1] http://dvd.sourceforge.net/ > > [2] 6658278 Port libdvdnav-0.1.10 to Solaris > > > > > > 6. Resources and Schedule > 6.4. Steering Committee requested information > 6.4.1. Consolidation C-team Name: > sfw > 6.5. ARC review type: FastTrack > 6.6. ARC Exposure: open > > -- Dan Hain Solaris Revenue Product Engineering (RPE)