From randyf@sac.sfbay.sun.com Tue Apr 1 00:07:41 2008 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m3177eZq028743 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 00:07:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m3177bmZ028334; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 15:07:38 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JYM00AEVX4P4A00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 00:07:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm-sfbay-01.sfbay.sun.com ([129.145.155.118]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JYM007F7X4NE4C0@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 00:07:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sac.sfbay.sun.com (new-sac.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.175.65]) by dm-sfbay-01.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m3177ZWs025816; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 00:07:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sac.sfbay.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m3177YbS028672; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 00:07:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from randyf@localhost) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/Submit) id m3177Ydj028668; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 00:07:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 00:07:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy Fishel Subject: Bier [PSARC/2008/230 FastTrack timeout 04/01/2008] To: PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <200804010707.m3177Ydj028668@sac.sfbay.sun.com> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 Status: RO Content-Length: 6232 I am sponsoring this fasttrack on behalf of myself. The timer is set to 04/01/2008. Overview ======== This case describes the proper usage model for the common zymological beverage, beer(1). Though the beverage 'wine(1)' has similar processes and has similar results, the density and concentrations are different, so this case will not include 'wine(1)'. This case will also not include common compression techniques (warming and cooling), but will reference them. History ======= In ancient times, the Mesopotamians discovered that grape juice left out for some time changed into a fluid that, when consumed, cause people to act giddy and talk loudly, but otherwise felt very happy. A curious group, they also experimented with other materials, and found that using grains (rice, wheat, and barley), they could get a fluid with a little less impact, and more of it could be used. Grains were also more abundant, so it was also more economical. This became beer(1). The ancient Egyptians documented their procedures for constructing beer(1), and has been reproduced in modern times. Though the quality of the reproduced product isn't as good as modern beer(1), much of the effects were as they are today. In the 16th century, the French, being taxed on the volume of the liquid, determined that the fluid can be compressed by applying heat and cold to get the essence of the liquid. The compressed liquid was usable by itself, but decompression was never viable. The British also discovered that if the flower of the hop plant was added, the stability of beer would improve. A lot of hops allowed for beer to remain stable for the long journey to India (hence, the "India Pale Ale"). Beer was also popular with the American settlers, where the first commercial production facility was built in Hoboken New Jersey in the late 16th century. Perhaps it was the impact of this fluid that caused brewers such as George Washington, Samuel Adams, Paul Revere, and enthusiast Ben Franklin to dislike the British. It might also be the reason the Bostonians put tea in Boston harbor, and not in hot water. In 1857, Louis Pasteur made the connection of yeast with fermentation. But it was the German chemist, Eduard Buchner, winner of the 1907 Nobel Prize, that determined that it was the yeast enzyme, zymase, that catalyzes glycolysis, and leads to the characteristics of beer(1). In 1985, the need for standards caused the certification group BJCP to define standards and certify individuals that are qualified to validate beer. This standard is included in the case materials. Technical Details ================= The detailed formula for creation is: C6H12O6 + O2 + => 2 CH3CH2OH + 2 C02 + 2ATP or Sugar + Oxygen + => Alcohol + Carbon Dioxide + energy This is an aerobic reaction as it consumes oxygen, and the catalyst is the zymase of yeast. Considering that the common sugars used have significantly different characteristics, and the process of turning these sugars into compounds that can easily be converted to beer, the end product will be dependent on the actual starting components. For the correct product, it is important that the fungi species Saccharomyces Cerevisiae be used, as other catalysts will impact the formula and generate a completely different and undesirable product. Some of the detailed starting components or procedures are considered proprietary and cannot be described in this case, but the common process allows for and encourages this individuality, and actually improves the usage. Usage ===== The most common usage is: cd /pub more beer though recent usage has been: find /brewer -name beer -exec drink {} \; Note that usage has the same results as discovered by the Mesopotamians, and can lead to the usage of date(1) and/or join(1), and often leads to the misuse of chat(1m). Excessive usage can cause garbled verbage, user data corruption, unexpected reduced power, decreased vertical stability, or unintentional overflow. Normal usage will cause a slight to moderate ammonia buildup that will require regular flushing. Accessibility ============= beer(1) is accessible to all provided that security constraints (below) are followed. Even people with disabilities can use and appreciate the value of beer(1). Internationalization ==================== beer(1) already is internationalized, and is well understood by many in all languages. Usage and callouts vary in various languages, but general charactierstics remain constant. It also has a built in mechanism for people of different languages to understand each other, though it can lead to disagreements during sporting events (especially with Zebras). Security ======== beer(1) has the following authorizations: public.beer.legal-age Having this authorization allows the user to acquire beer(1). public.beer.underlimit Having this authorization allows the user to to pass audits. public.beer.designateddriver Having this authorization denies the user access to beer(1) but allows the user to continue to use auto(1). These should be considered weak authorizations, as any college student can easily circumvent the public.beer.legal-age auth. And many ignore the public.beer.underlimit and public.beer.designateddriver auths. However, auditing is handled by federal agencies, and failure to have these authorizations while using beer(1) (especially the use of auto(1) while using beer(1)) can result in reduced monetary resources and/or severely restricted access. Imported Interfaces =================== Name Stability =========================================== Beer Volatile Sake Volatile Barley Wine Extremely Volatile Exporting Interfaces ==================== Name Stability =========================================== Urethra Standard (and important after using beer(1)) Packaging ========= Bottle (7 to 22 US fluid ounces) Growler (Half-gallon jug - but jek3 knows this) pony keg (3 to 7.5 US gallons) Standard Keg (15.5 US gallons a.k.a. half-barrel) Barrel (standard unit) (31 US gallons) From Laszlo.Peter@sun.com Tue Apr 1 00:46:02 2008 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m317k2Jk029856 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 00:46:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m317k1Yf018945 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 00:46:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JYM00E0NYWQDH00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 00:46:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gmp-eb-inf-1.sun.com ([192.18.6.21]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JYM00BCNYWP7L20@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 00:46:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-emea-10.sun.com (gmp-eb-lb-2-fe2.eu.sun.com [192.18.6.11]) by gmp-eb-inf-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m317k0w0028592 for ; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 07:46:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-emea-10.sun.com by fe-emea-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JYM00801Y2S9000@fe-emea-10.sun.com> (original mail from Laszlo.Peter@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:46:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from [192.168.2.100] ([60.234.117.94]) by fe-emea-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JYM003W1YWHCE90@fe-emea-10.sun.com>; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:45:56 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:45:51 +1300 From: "Laszlo (Laca) Peter" Subject: Re: Bier [PSARC/2008/230 FastTrack timeout 04/01/2008] In-reply-to: <200804010707.m3177Ydj028668@sac.sfbay.sun.com> Sender: Laszlo.Peter@sun.com To: Randy Fishel Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com Reply-to: laca@sun.com Message-id: <1207035951.642.76.camel@tecra> Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.2 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200804010707.m3177Ydj028668@sac.sfbay.sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 496 Is beer free (as in free beer)? Laca On Tue, 2008-04-01 at 00:07 -0700, Randy Fishel wrote: > Overview > ======== > This case describes the proper usage model for the common zymological > beverage, beer(1). Though the beverage 'wine(1)' has similar processes > and has similar results, the density and concentrations are different, > so this case will not include 'wine(1)'. This case will also not > include common compression techniques (warming and cooling), but will > reference them. From stacey.marshall@sun.com Tue Apr 1 03:48:18 2008 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m31AmH7V003703 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 03:48:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m31AmFLA025170 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 18:48:16 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JYN002077CCDI00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 03:48:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm-uk-02.uk.sun.com ([129.156.101.196]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JYN00NIK7CB3P40@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 03:48:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from serinus.UK.Sun.COM (serinus.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.173.208]) by dm-uk-02.uk.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m31Am8PC004786; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 11:48:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from [129.156.173.21] (enoexec [129.156.173.21]) by serinus.UK.Sun.COM (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/CTE 3.0) with ESMTP id m31Am78L017997; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 11:48:08 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 11:48:07 +0100 From: Stacey Jonathan Marshall - Solaris RPE Subject: Re: Bier [PSARC/2008/230 FastTrack timeout 04/01/2008] In-reply-to: <200804010707.m3177Ydj028668@sac.sfbay.sun.com> To: Randy Fishel Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <47F212E7.2070101@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200804010707.m3177Ydj028668@sac.sfbay.sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20080213) Status: RO Content-Length: 6714 The common usage below suggests that beer is a consumable and a format, as such should it be beer(4)? Does this make sense, beer(4) me does! How about beer(4) you? Randy Fishel wrote: > I am sponsoring this fasttrack on behalf of myself. The timer is set > to 04/01/2008. > > > Overview > ======== > This case describes the proper usage model for the common zymological > beverage, beer(1). Though the beverage 'wine(1)' has similar processes > and has similar results, the density and concentrations are different, > so this case will not include 'wine(1)'. This case will also not > include common compression techniques (warming and cooling), but will > reference them. > > > History > ======= > In ancient times, the Mesopotamians discovered that grape juice left > out for some time changed into a fluid that, when consumed, cause > people to act giddy and talk loudly, but otherwise felt very happy. A > curious group, they also experimented with other materials, and found > that using grains (rice, wheat, and barley), they could get a fluid > with a little less impact, and more of it could be used. Grains were > also more abundant, so it was also more economical. This became beer(1). > > The ancient Egyptians documented their procedures for constructing > beer(1), and has been reproduced in modern times. Though the quality > of the reproduced product isn't as good as modern beer(1), much of the > effects were as they are today. > > In the 16th century, the French, being taxed on the volume of the > liquid, determined that the fluid can be compressed by applying heat > and cold to get the essence of the liquid. The compressed liquid was > usable by itself, but decompression was never viable. > > The British also discovered that if the flower of the hop plant was > added, the stability of beer would improve. A lot of hops allowed for > beer to remain stable for the long journey to India (hence, the "India > Pale Ale"). > > Beer was also popular with the American settlers, where the first > commercial production facility was built in Hoboken New Jersey in the > late 16th century. Perhaps it was the impact of this fluid that caused > brewers such as George Washington, Samuel Adams, Paul Revere, and > enthusiast Ben Franklin to dislike the British. It might also be the > reason the Bostonians put tea in Boston harbor, and not in hot water. > > In 1857, Louis Pasteur made the connection of yeast with fermentation. > But it was the German chemist, Eduard Buchner, winner of the 1907 Nobel > Prize, that determined that it was the yeast enzyme, zymase, that > catalyzes glycolysis, and leads to the characteristics of beer(1). > > In 1985, the need for standards caused the certification group BJCP to > define standards and certify individuals that are qualified to validate > beer. This standard is included in the case materials. > > > Technical Details > ================= > The detailed formula for creation is: > > C6H12O6 + O2 + => 2 CH3CH2OH + 2 C02 + 2ATP > > or > Sugar + Oxygen + => Alcohol + Carbon Dioxide + energy > > This is an aerobic reaction as it consumes oxygen, and the catalyst is > the zymase of yeast. > > Considering that the common sugars used have significantly different > characteristics, and the process of turning these sugars into compounds > that can easily be converted to beer, the end product will be dependent > on the actual starting components. > > For the correct product, it is important that the fungi species > Saccharomyces Cerevisiae be used, as other catalysts will impact the > formula and generate a completely different and undesirable product. > > Some of the detailed starting components or procedures are considered > proprietary and cannot be described in this case, but the common > process allows for and encourages this individuality, and actually > improves the usage. > > > Usage > ===== > The most common usage is: > > cd /pub > more beer > > though recent usage has been: > > find /brewer -name beer -exec drink {} \; > > Note that usage has the same results as discovered by the Mesopotamians, > and can lead to the usage of date(1) and/or join(1), and often leads to > the misuse of chat(1m). Excessive usage can cause garbled verbage, user > data corruption, unexpected reduced power, decreased vertical stability, > or unintentional overflow. Normal usage will cause a slight to moderate > ammonia buildup that will require regular flushing. > > > Accessibility > ============= > beer(1) is accessible to all provided that security constraints (below) > are followed. Even people with disabilities can use and appreciate the > value of beer(1). > > > Internationalization > ==================== > beer(1) already is internationalized, and is well understood by many in > all languages. Usage and callouts vary in various languages, but general > charactierstics remain constant. It also has a built in mechanism for > people of different languages to understand each other, though it can > lead to disagreements during sporting events (especially with Zebras). > > > Security > ======== > beer(1) has the following authorizations: > > public.beer.legal-age Having this authorization allows > the user to acquire beer(1). > public.beer.underlimit Having this authorization allows > the user to to pass audits. > public.beer.designateddriver Having this authorization denies > the user access to beer(1) but > allows the user to continue to > use auto(1). > > These should be considered weak authorizations, as any college > student can easily circumvent the public.beer.legal-age auth. And many > ignore the public.beer.underlimit and public.beer.designateddriver > auths. However, auditing is handled by federal agencies, and failure > to have these authorizations while using beer(1) (especially the use of > auto(1) while using beer(1)) can result in reduced monetary resources > and/or severely restricted access. > > > Imported Interfaces > =================== > Name Stability > =========================================== > Beer Volatile > Sake Volatile > Barley Wine Extremely Volatile > > Exporting Interfaces > ==================== > Name Stability > =========================================== > Urethra Standard (and important after using beer(1)) > > > Packaging > ========= > Bottle (7 to 22 US fluid ounces) > Growler (Half-gallon jug - but jek3 knows this) > pony keg (3 to 7.5 US gallons) > Standard Keg (15.5 US gallons a.k.a. half-barrel) > Barrel (standard unit) (31 US gallons) > > > From carlsonj@phorcys.east.sun.com Tue Apr 1 06:12:58 2008 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m31DCwRA007850 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 06:12:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m31DCv4X021904 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@Sun.Com>; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 06:12:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JYN00017E1L8M00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@Sun.Com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.Com); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 06:12:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com ([129.148.174.143]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JYN00I04E1K1D40@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@Sun.Com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.Com); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 06:12:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.2+Sun/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m31DCtp0003590; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:12:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from carlsonj@localhost) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.2+Sun/8.14.2/Submit) id m31DCtn4003587; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:12:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:12:55 -0400 From: James Carlson Subject: Re: Bier [PSARC/2008/230 FastTrack timeout 04/01/2008] In-reply-to: <200804010707.m3177Ydj028668@sac.sfbay.sun.com> To: Randy Fishel Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <18418.13527.95158.653841@gargle.gargle.HOWL> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VM 7.01 under Emacs 21.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200804010707.m3177Ydj028668@sac.sfbay.sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 887 Randy Fishel writes: > This case describes the proper usage model for the common zymological > beverage, beer(1). Though the beverage 'wine(1)' has similar processes > and has similar results, the density and concentrations are different, > so this case will not include 'wine(1)'. This case will also not > include common compression techniques (warming and cooling), but will > reference them. Will anything that consumes beer(1) be integrated into Solaris, or is it intended for users and developers alone? (I'll just assume that they need it.) You also didn't specify a release binding. I'm assuming that "after 5PM somewhere" would be suitable, right? -- James Carlson, Solaris Networking Sun Microsystems / 35 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677 From Nicolas.Williams@sun.com Tue Apr 1 07:21:22 2008 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m31ELLwd008824 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 07:21:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m31ELHlY033004 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 08:21:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JYN0092GH7KLW00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 07:21:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from binky.Central.Sun.COM ([129.153.128.104]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JYN007WCH7IXZ40@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 07:21:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from binky.Central.Sun.COM (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by binky.Central.Sun.COM (8.14.1+Sun/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m31ELHdt000686; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:21:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from nw141292@localhost) by binky.Central.Sun.COM (8.14.1+Sun/8.14.1/Submit) id m31ELHL5000685; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:21:17 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:21:17 -0500 From: Nicolas Williams Subject: Re: Bier [PSARC/2008/230 FastTrack timeout 04/01/2008] In-reply-to: <200804010707.m3177Ydj028668@sac.sfbay.sun.com> To: Randy Fishel Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com Mail-followup-to: Randy Fishel , PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <20080401142117.GM16998@Sun.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Content-disposition: inline X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200804010707.m3177Ydj028668@sac.sfbay.sun.com> X-Authentication-warning: binky.Central.Sun.COM: nw141292 set sender to Nicolas.Williams@sun.com using -f User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i Status: RO Content-Length: 1219 On Tue, Apr 01, 2008 at 12:07:34AM -0700, Randy Fishel wrote: > This case describes the proper usage model for the common zymological > beverage, beer(1). Though the beverage 'wine(1)' has similar processes > and has similar results, the density and concentrations are different, > so this case will not include 'wine(1)'. This case will also not > include common compression techniques (warming and cooling), but will > reference them. What is the overall architecture here? Is there an Alcoholic Beverage umbrella project, or did I miss it? Because let's face it, without wine(1) I think this case is woefully incomplete. And make sure to include the --red, --white, --rosé, --varietal=VARIETAL, and other important options. This being FOSS we'll just have to accept GNU-style long options and to -hiccup- hell with the CLIP. [*] Yes, I know the first non-ASCII option -- it was going to happen someday folks. Think how much easier it will be to add new options to tar(1) and star(1)! once we are free to use any character from the Unicode repertoire, though we should initially limit ourselves to ISO-8859-1 characters that can be represented in the largest number of locales. Nico -- From James.McPherson@sun.com Tue Apr 1 07:34:05 2008 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m31EY5D9009237 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 07:34:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m31EY2r0037783 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 08:34:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JYN00019HSRG800@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:34:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sineb-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.19.7]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JYN00GRPHSNM580@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:34:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fe-apac-05.sun.com (fe-apac-05.sun.com [192.18.19.176] (may be forged)) by sineb-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m31EYP2O022863 for ; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 14:34:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-apac.sun.com by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0JYN00C01HRSWB00@mail-apac.sun.com> (original mail from James.McPherson@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:33:53 +0800 (SGT) Received: from [192.168.1.35] ([220.157.71.44]) by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0JYN0065BHSGKK56@mail-apac.sun.com>; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:33:53 +0800 (SGT) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 00:33:28 +1000 From: "James C. McPherson" Subject: Re: Bier [PSARC/2008/230 FastTrack timeout 04/01/2008] In-reply-to: <20080401142117.GM16998@Sun.COM> Sender: James.McPherson@sun.com To: Randy Fishel , PSARC-ext@sun.com Reply-to: James.McPherson@sun.com Message-id: <47F247B8.8020509@Sun.COM> Organization: Sun Microsystems MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200804010707.m3177Ydj028668@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <20080401142117.GM16998@Sun.COM> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20080128) Status: RO Content-Length: 1257 Nicolas Williams wrote: > On Tue, Apr 01, 2008 at 12:07:34AM -0700, Randy Fishel wrote: >> This case describes the proper usage model for the common zymological >> beverage, beer(1). Though the beverage 'wine(1)' has similar processes >> and has similar results, the density and concentrations are different, >> so this case will not include 'wine(1)'. This case will also not >> include common compression techniques (warming and cooling), but will >> reference them. > > What is the overall architecture here? Is there an Alcoholic Beverage > umbrella project, or did I miss it? > > Because let's face it, without wine(1) I think this case is woefully > incomplete. And make sure to include the --red, --white, --ros�, > --varietal=VARIETAL, and other important options. This being FOSS we'll > just have to accept GNU-style long options and to -hiccup- hell with the > CLIP. Don't forget the --fortified and --liqueur options. There should probably be another case as well - spirits(1) - for completeness if nothing else. Methinks that spirits(1) should have a --nationality option as well. hic! James C. McPherson -- Senior Kernel Software Engineer, Solaris Sun Microsystems http://blogs.sun.com/jmcp http://www.jmcp.homeunix.com/blog From Alan.Coopersmith@sun.com Tue Apr 1 08:02:12 2008 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m31F2C89010070 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 08:02:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m31F24k0029205 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 08:02:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JYN0097JJ3NZV00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:02:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.43.132]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JYN00ICZJ2F16E0@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:01:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-09.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m31F1QZi010341 for ; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:01:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-09.sun.com by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JYN00A01IVYRJ00@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> (original mail from Alan.Coopersmith@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:01:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.6.102.118] by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JYN00F6KJ2EY580@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com>; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:01:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:04:52 -0700 From: Alan Coopersmith Subject: Re: Bier [PSARC/2008/230 FastTrack timeout 04/01/2008] In-reply-to: <20080401142117.GM16998@Sun.COM> Sender: Alan.Coopersmith@sun.com To: Randy Fishel , PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <47F24F14.4000107@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.1 References: <200804010707.m3177Ydj028668@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <20080401142117.GM16998@Sun.COM> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071119) Status: RO Content-Length: 935 Nicolas Williams wrote: > On Tue, Apr 01, 2008 at 12:07:34AM -0700, Randy Fishel wrote: >> This case describes the proper usage model for the common zymological >> beverage, beer(1). Though the beverage 'wine(1)' has similar processes >> and has similar results, the density and concentrations are different, >> so this case will not include 'wine(1)'. This case will also not >> include common compression techniques (warming and cooling), but will >> reference them. > > What is the overall architecture here? Is there an Alcoholic Beverage > umbrella project, or did I miss it? If we're going to drag Randy through the whole umbrella case thing again, after the recent run-around with power management, then maybe we should just derail now and make him bring a full case of materials to the next PSARC meeting. -- -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersmith@sun.com Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering From randy.fishel@sun.com Tue Apr 1 08:08:58 2008 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m31F8wpm010724 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 08:08:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m31F8qNN029723; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 08:08:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JYN00AHWJEVYJ00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:08:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm-eng-01.sfbay.sun.com ([129.145.155.198]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JYN007M5JC3Y180@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:07:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grimmy.eng.sun.com (grimmy.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.108.114]) by dm-eng-01.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m31F7FKX044723; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:07:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grimmy.eng.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grimmy.eng.sun.com (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with ESMTP id m31F7DOp027696; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 07:07:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (randyf@localhost) by grimmy.eng.sun.com (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10/Submit) with ESMTP id m31F7CQA027692; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 07:07:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 07:07:12 -0800 (PST) From: Randy Fishel Subject: Re: Bier [PSARC/2008/230 FastTrack timeout 04/01/2008] In-reply-to: <1207035951.642.76.camel@tecra> X-X-Sender: randyf@grimmy To: laca@sun.com Cc: Randy Fishel , PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200804010707.m3177Ydj028668@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <1207035951.642.76.camel@tecra> X-Authentication-warning: grimmy.eng.sun.com: randyf owned process doing -bs Status: RO Content-Length: 684 On Tue, 1 Apr 2008, Laszlo (Laca) Peter wrote: > Is beer free (as in free beer)? > > Laca Depends on where you are (beer(1) doesn't work in Kansas) and your 'find(1)' syntax. ---- Randy > > On Tue, 2008-04-01 at 00:07 -0700, Randy Fishel wrote: > > > Overview > > ======== > > This case describes the proper usage model for the common zymological > > beverage, beer(1). Though the beverage 'wine(1)' has similar processes > > and has similar results, the density and concentrations are different, > > so this case will not include 'wine(1)'. This case will also not > > include common compression techniques (warming and cooling), but will > > reference them. > > > From randy.fishel@sun.com Tue Apr 1 08:14:10 2008 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m31FE9g2011165 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 08:14:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m31FE2sb011225 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 16:14:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JYN00AB4JNJYH10@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:14:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm-eng-02.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.11.32]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JYN0070YJJDY390@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:11:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grimmy.eng.sun.com (grimmy.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.108.114]) by dm-eng-02.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m31FBaNx003122; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:11:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grimmy.eng.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grimmy.eng.sun.com (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with ESMTP id m31FBYOp027730; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 07:11:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (randyf@localhost) by grimmy.eng.sun.com (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10/Submit) with ESMTP id m31FBYx5027726; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 07:11:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 07:11:34 -0800 (PST) From: Randy Fishel Subject: Re: Bier [PSARC/2008/230 FastTrack timeout 04/01/2008] In-reply-to: <47F212E7.2070101@sun.com> X-X-Sender: randyf@grimmy To: Stacey Jonathan Marshall - Solaris RPE Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200804010707.m3177Ydj028668@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <47F212E7.2070101@sun.com> X-Authentication-warning: grimmy.eng.sun.com: randyf owned process doing -bs Status: RO Content-Length: 7368 On Tue, 1 Apr 2008, Stacey Jonathan Marshall - Solaris RPE wrote: > The common usage below suggests that beer is a consumable and a format, as > such should it be beer(4)? > Does this make sense, beer(4) me does! How about beer(4) you? There is a consumable format, and it is usually good to have a beer(4) you. This, however, is private to the consumer and we shouldn't constrain this usage. It is worth the note, though. ---- Randy > > Randy Fishel wrote: > > I am sponsoring this fasttrack on behalf of myself. The timer is set > > to 04/01/2008. > > > > > > Overview > > ======== > > This case describes the proper usage model for the common zymological > > beverage, beer(1). Though the beverage 'wine(1)' has similar processes > > and has similar results, the density and concentrations are different, > > so this case will not include 'wine(1)'. This case will also not > > include common compression techniques (warming and cooling), but will > > reference them. > > > > > > History > > ======= > > In ancient times, the Mesopotamians discovered that grape juice left > > out for some time changed into a fluid that, when consumed, cause > > people to act giddy and talk loudly, but otherwise felt very happy. A > > curious group, they also experimented with other materials, and found > > that using grains (rice, wheat, and barley), they could get a fluid > > with a little less impact, and more of it could be used. Grains were > > also more abundant, so it was also more economical. This became beer(1). > > > > The ancient Egyptians documented their procedures for constructing > > beer(1), and has been reproduced in modern times. Though the quality > > of the reproduced product isn't as good as modern beer(1), much of the > > effects were as they are today. > > > > In the 16th century, the French, being taxed on the volume of the > > liquid, determined that the fluid can be compressed by applying heat > > and cold to get the essence of the liquid. The compressed liquid was > > usable by itself, but decompression was never viable. > > > > The British also discovered that if the flower of the hop plant was > > added, the stability of beer would improve. A lot of hops allowed for > > beer to remain stable for the long journey to India (hence, the "India > > Pale Ale"). > > > > Beer was also popular with the American settlers, where the first > > commercial production facility was built in Hoboken New Jersey in the > > late 16th century. Perhaps it was the impact of this fluid that caused > > brewers such as George Washington, Samuel Adams, Paul Revere, and > > enthusiast Ben Franklin to dislike the British. It might also be the > > reason the Bostonians put tea in Boston harbor, and not in hot water. > > > > In 1857, Louis Pasteur made the connection of yeast with fermentation. > > But it was the German chemist, Eduard Buchner, winner of the 1907 Nobel > > Prize, that determined that it was the yeast enzyme, zymase, that > > catalyzes glycolysis, and leads to the characteristics of beer(1). > > > > In 1985, the need for standards caused the certification group BJCP to > > define standards and certify individuals that are qualified to validate > > beer. This standard is included in the case materials. > > > > > > Technical Details > > ================= > > The detailed formula for creation is: > > > > C6H12O6 + O2 + => 2 CH3CH2OH + 2 C02 + 2ATP > > > > or > > Sugar + Oxygen + => Alcohol + Carbon Dioxide + energy > > > > This is an aerobic reaction as it consumes oxygen, and the catalyst is > > the zymase of yeast. > > > > Considering that the common sugars used have significantly different > > characteristics, and the process of turning these sugars into compounds > > that can easily be converted to beer, the end product will be dependent > > on the actual starting components. > > > > For the correct product, it is important that the fungi species > > Saccharomyces Cerevisiae be used, as other catalysts will impact the > > formula and generate a completely different and undesirable product. > > > > Some of the detailed starting components or procedures are considered > > proprietary and cannot be described in this case, but the common > > process allows for and encourages this individuality, and actually > > improves the usage. > > > > > > Usage > > ===== > > The most common usage is: > > > > cd /pub > > more beer > > > > though recent usage has been: > > > > find /brewer -name beer -exec drink {} \; > > > > Note that usage has the same results as discovered by the Mesopotamians, > > and can lead to the usage of date(1) and/or join(1), and often leads to > > the misuse of chat(1m). Excessive usage can cause garbled verbage, user > > data corruption, unexpected reduced power, decreased vertical stability, > > or unintentional overflow. Normal usage will cause a slight to moderate > > ammonia buildup that will require regular flushing. > > > > > > Accessibility > > ============= > > beer(1) is accessible to all provided that security constraints (below) > > are followed. Even people with disabilities can use and appreciate the > > value of beer(1). > > > > > > Internationalization > > ==================== > > beer(1) already is internationalized, and is well understood by many in > > all languages. Usage and callouts vary in various languages, but general > > charactierstics remain constant. It also has a built in mechanism for > > people of different languages to understand each other, though it can > > lead to disagreements during sporting events (especially with Zebras). > > > > > > Security > > ======== > > beer(1) has the following authorizations: > > > > public.beer.legal-age Having this authorization allows > > the user to acquire beer(1). > > public.beer.underlimit Having this authorization allows > > the user to to pass audits. > > public.beer.designateddriver Having this authorization denies > > the user access to beer(1) but > > allows the user to continue to > > use auto(1). > > > > These should be considered weak authorizations, as any college > > student can easily circumvent the public.beer.legal-age auth. And many > > ignore the public.beer.underlimit and public.beer.designateddriver > > auths. However, auditing is handled by federal agencies, and failure > > to have these authorizations while using beer(1) (especially the use of > > auto(1) while using beer(1)) can result in reduced monetary resources > > and/or severely restricted access. > > > > > > Imported Interfaces > > =================== > > Name Stability > > =========================================== > > Beer Volatile > > Sake Volatile > > Barley Wine Extremely Volatile > > > > Exporting Interfaces > > ==================== > > Name Stability > > =========================================== > > Urethra Standard (and important after using beer(1)) > > > > > > Packaging > > ========= > > Bottle (7 to 22 US fluid ounces) > > Growler (Half-gallon jug - but jek3 knows this) > > pony keg (3 to 7.5 US gallons) > > Standard Keg (15.5 US gallons a.k.a. half-barrel) > > Barrel (standard unit) (31 US gallons) > > > > > > From randy.fishel@sun.com Tue Apr 1 08:22:27 2008 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m31FMREe011237 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 08:22:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m31FMOTH006738 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 08:22:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JYN002Z2K1E9H10@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:22:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dm-eng-01.sfbay.sun.com ([129.145.155.198]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JYN00GCNJX5M4C0@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:19:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grimmy.eng.sun.com (grimmy.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.108.114]) by dm-eng-01.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m31FJrhC054584; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:19:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grimmy.eng.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grimmy.eng.sun.com (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with ESMTP id m31FJpOp027755; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 07:19:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (randyf@localhost) by grimmy.eng.sun.com (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10/Submit) with ESMTP id m31FJpXT027751; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 07:19:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 07:19:50 -0800 (PST) From: Randy Fishel Subject: Re: Bier [PSARC/2008/230 FastTrack timeout 04/01/2008] In-reply-to: <47F24F14.4000107@sun.com> X-X-Sender: randyf@grimmy To: Alan Coopersmith Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200804010707.m3177Ydj028668@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <20080401142117.GM16998@Sun.COM> <47F24F14.4000107@sun.com> X-Authentication-warning: grimmy.eng.sun.com: randyf owned process doing -bs Status: RO Content-Length: 1046 On Tue, 1 Apr 2008, Alan Coopersmith wrote: > Nicolas Williams wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 01, 2008 at 12:07:34AM -0700, Randy Fishel wrote: > >> This case describes the proper usage model for the common zymological > >> beverage, beer(1). Though the beverage 'wine(1)' has similar processes > >> and has similar results, the density and concentrations are different, > >> so this case will not include 'wine(1)'. This case will also not > >> include common compression techniques (warming and cooling), but will > >> reference them. > > > > What is the overall architecture here? Is there an Alcoholic Beverage > > umbrella project, or did I miss it? > > If we're going to drag Randy through the whole umbrella case thing again, > after the recent run-around with power management, then maybe we should > just derail now and make him bring a full case of materials to the next > PSARC meeting. > ARC convention typically means that the person who derails writes the opinion, and that might be real tough after a full case! ---- Randy From randy.fishel@sun.com Tue Apr 1 08:29:50 2008 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m31FTn5I011438 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 08:29:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m31FTCgf023226 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 23:29:48 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JYN002NCKDK9H20@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:29:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dm-eng-01.sfbay.sun.com ([129.145.155.198]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JYN00G2WKAHM7F0@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:27:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grimmy.eng.sun.com (grimmy.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.108.114]) by dm-eng-01.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m31FRqod060167; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:27:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grimmy.eng.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grimmy.eng.sun.com (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with ESMTP id m31FRoOp027776; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 07:27:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (randyf@localhost) by grimmy.eng.sun.com (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10/Submit) with ESMTP id m31FRoDZ027772; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 07:27:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 07:27:50 -0800 (PST) From: Randy Fishel Subject: Re: Bier [PSARC/2008/230 FastTrack timeout 04/01/2008] In-reply-to: <20080401142117.GM16998@Sun.COM> X-X-Sender: randyf@grimmy To: Nicolas Williams Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_BwRJ9cJvWrrsHWtyzNZ3kA)" X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200804010707.m3177Ydj028668@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <20080401142117.GM16998@Sun.COM> X-Authentication-warning: grimmy.eng.sun.com: randyf owned process doing -bs Status: RO Content-Length: 1576 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --Boundary_(ID_BwRJ9cJvWrrsHWtyzNZ3kA) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Tue, 1 Apr 2008, Nicolas Williams wrote: > On Tue, Apr 01, 2008 at 12:07:34AM -0700, Randy Fishel wrote: > > This case describes the proper usage model for the common zymological > > beverage, beer(1). Though the beverage 'wine(1)' has similar processes > > and has similar results, the density and concentrations are different, > > so this case will not include 'wine(1)'. This case will also not > > include common compression techniques (warming and cooling), but will > > reference them. >=20 > What is the overall architecture here? Is there an Alcoholic Beverage > umbrella project, or did I miss it? You must have, because I didn't. >=20 > Because let's face it, without wine(1) I think this case is woefully > incomplete. And make sure to include the --red, --white, --ros=E9, > --varietal=3DVARIETAL, and other important options. This being FOSS we'l= l > just have to accept GNU-style long options and to -hiccup- hell with the > CLIP. These are perfectly good options to wine(1), but wine(1) and beer(1)=20 never fit into the same case, and people rarely want to review both at=20 the same time. Plus, there are so many more options to wine(1). Also=20 --hiccup usually only works with the --cheap option. =09---- Randy= --Boundary_(ID_BwRJ9cJvWrrsHWtyzNZ3kA)-- From Dana.Myers@sun.com Tue Apr 1 08:35:21 2008 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m31FZKEP011660 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 08:35:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m31FZDt8023019 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 16:35:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JYN00A80KMT0030@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:35:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com ([192.18.98.36]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JYN00AOWKIWTK10@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:32:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m31FWubE011493 for ; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 15:32:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JYN00C01IBB7N00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Dana.Myers@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:32:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (c-67-180-22-170.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [67.180.22.170]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JYN00GZZKITV910@mail-amer.sun.com>; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:32:54 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:32:48 -0700 From: "Dana H. Myers" Subject: Re: Bier [PSARC/2008/230 FastTrack timeout 04/01/2008] In-reply-to: <47F212E7.2070101@sun.com> Sender: Dana.Myers@sun.com To: Stacey Jonathan Marshall - Solaris RPE Cc: Randy Fishel , PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <47F255A0.60300@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200804010707.m3177Ydj028668@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <47F212E7.2070101@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) Status: RO Content-Length: 1143 Stacey Jonathan Marshall - Solaris RPE wrote: > The common usage below suggests that beer is a consumable and a format, > as such should it be beer(4)? > Does this make sense, beer(4) me does! How about beer(4) you? > > Randy Fishel wrote: >> I am sponsoring this fasttrack on behalf of myself. The timer is set >> to 04/01/2008. >> >> >> Overview >> ======== >> This case describes the proper usage model for the common zymological >> beverage, beer(1). Though the beverage 'wine(1)' has similar processes >> and has similar results, the density and concentrations are different, >> so this case will not include 'wine(1)'. This case will also not >> include common compression techniques (warming and cooling), but will >> reference them. >> [...] >> >> Exporting Interfaces >> ==================== >> Name Stability >> =========================================== >> Urethra Standard (and important after using beer(1)) This section is missing the other, less commonly-used, exporting interface Esophagus Standard (usually associated with one of the keg packages) Dana From randy.fishel@sun.com Tue Apr 1 08:39:03 2008 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m31Fd2LE011686 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 08:39:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m31FctSa025838 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 16:39:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JYN00A4LKSZXI30@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:38:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm-eng-01.sfbay.sun.com ([129.145.155.198]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JYN0071TKRRY8C0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:38:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grimmy.eng.sun.com (grimmy.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.108.114]) by dm-eng-01.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m31FcEnD002243; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:38:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grimmy.eng.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grimmy.eng.sun.com (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with ESMTP id m31FcCOp027823; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 07:38:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (randyf@localhost) by grimmy.eng.sun.com (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10/Submit) with ESMTP id m31FcCiX027819; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 07:38:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 07:38:12 -0800 (PST) From: Randy Fishel Subject: Re: Bier [PSARC/2008/230 FastTrack timeout 04/01/2008] In-reply-to: <47F255A0.60300@sun.com> X-X-Sender: randyf@grimmy To: "Dana H. Myers" Cc: Stacey Jonathan Marshall - Solaris RPE , PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200804010707.m3177Ydj028668@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <47F212E7.2070101@sun.com> <47F255A0.60300@sun.com> X-Authentication-warning: grimmy.eng.sun.com: randyf owned process doing -bs Status: RO Content-Length: 1609 On Tue, 1 Apr 2008, Dana H. Myers wrote: > Stacey Jonathan Marshall - Solaris RPE wrote: > > The common usage below suggests that beer is a consumable and a format, as > > such should it be beer(4)? > > Does this make sense, beer(4) me does! How about beer(4) you? > > > > Randy Fishel wrote: > > > I am sponsoring this fasttrack on behalf of myself. The timer is set > > > to 04/01/2008. > > > > > > > > > Overview > > > ======== > > > This case describes the proper usage model for the common zymological > > > beverage, beer(1). Though the beverage 'wine(1)' has similar processes > > > and has similar results, the density and concentrations are different, > > > so this case will not include 'wine(1)'. This case will also not > > > include common compression techniques (warming and cooling), but will > > > reference them. > > > > [...] > > > > > > Exporting Interfaces > > > ==================== > > > Name Stability > > > =========================================== > > > Urethra Standard (and important after using beer(1)) > This section is missing the other, less commonly-used, exporting interface > > Esophagus Standard (usually associated with one of the keg > packages) This is only used for overflow, though. And because it isn't a pretty sight, I choose to omit it (especially since it is often used by users that don't have the 'public.beer.legal-age' authorization). However, if ARC members see that this as more common, I will include it as well (I just try not to use it). ---- Randy > > > Dana > From Dana.Myers@sun.com Tue Apr 1 08:45:44 2008 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m31FjhTT011726 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 08:45:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m31Fjd77000941; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 23:45:40 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JYN0092JL43ZX40@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:45:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com ([192.18.98.34]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JYN00AN2L1ITE30@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:44:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m31Fi6Gd013338; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 15:44:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JYN00C01K8E4Z00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Dana.Myers@Sun.COM); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:44:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (c-67-180-22-170.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [67.180.22.170]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JYN00G3JL18H630@mail-amer.sun.com>; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:43:56 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:43:50 -0700 From: "Dana H. Myers" Subject: Re: Bier [PSARC/2008/230 FastTrack timeout 04/01/2008] In-reply-to: Sender: Dana.Myers@sun.com To: Randy Fishel Cc: Stacey Jonathan Marshall - Solaris RPE , PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <47F25836.9090301@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200804010707.m3177Ydj028668@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <47F212E7.2070101@sun.com> <47F255A0.60300@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) Status: RO Content-Length: 913 Randy Fishel wrote: > On Tue, 1 Apr 2008, Dana H. Myers wrote: > > >>>> Exporting Interfaces >>>> ==================== >>>> Name Stability >>>> =========================================== >>>> Urethra Standard (and important after using beer(1)) >>>> >> This section is missing the other, less commonly-used, exporting interface >> >> Esophagus Standard (usually associated with one of the keg >> packages) >> > > This is only used for overflow, though. And because it isn't a > pretty sight, I choose to omit it (especially since it is often used > by users that don't have the 'public.beer.legal-age' authorization). > However, if ARC members see that this as more common, I will include > it as well (I just try not to use it). > I believe it's important to consider all possible STREAMS associated with beer(4). Dana From Michael.Schuster@sun.com Tue Apr 1 08:48:35 2008 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m31FmZoI011746 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 08:48:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m31FmSBJ008756 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:48:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JYN009DVL8YZX40@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.Com); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:48:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.43.133]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JYN00AG8L64TP30@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.Com); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:46:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m31FkprC001037 for ; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:46:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JYN00I01KSC1Z00@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> (original mail from Michael.Schuster@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@Sun.Com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.Com); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:46:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [129.146.106.37] by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JYN001GBL62MCA0@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com>; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:46:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:46:49 -0700 From: Michael Schuster Subject: Re: Bier [PSARC/2008/230 FastTrack timeout 04/01/2008] In-reply-to: <200804010707.m3177Ydj028668@sac.sfbay.sun.com> Sender: Michael.Schuster@sun.com To: Randy Fishel Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <47F258E9.7040701@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200804010707.m3177Ydj028668@sac.sfbay.sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (X11/20080311) Status: RO Content-Length: 440 Randy Fishel wrote: > I am sponsoring this fasttrack on behalf of myself. The timer is set > to 04/01/2008. > > > Overview > ======== > This case describes the proper usage model for the common zymological > beverage, beer(1). pls excuse if this is covered elsewhere: - what is/are the delivery vehicle(s) for beer(1)? - what is the support model? -- Michael Schuster http://blogs.sun.com/recursion Recursion, n.: see 'Recursion' From gww@eng.sun.com Tue Apr 1 08:49:12 2008 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m31FnBAW011779 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 08:49:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m31Fmwrc002528 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 16:49:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JYN00982L9XYE40@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:49:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm-eng-02.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.11.32]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JYN00A8EL6XTA40@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:47:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marduk.eng.sun.com (marduk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.108.224]) by dm-eng-02.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m31FlLtZ029163; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marduk.eng.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by marduk.eng.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m31GlstF021893; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:47:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gww@localhost) by marduk.eng.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id m31Gls68021892; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:47:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:47:54 -0800 (PST) From: Gary Winiger Subject: Re: Bier [PSARC/2008/230 FastTrack timeout 04/01/2008] To: Alan.Coopersmith@sun.com, randy.fishel@sun.com Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <200804011647.m31Gls68021892@marduk.eng.sun.com> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 Status: RO Content-Length: 621 Randy, > > If we're going to drag Randy through the whole umbrella case thing again, > > after the recent run-around with power management, then maybe we should > > just derail now and make him bring a full case of materials to the next > > PSARC meeting. > > > > > ARC convention typically means that the person who derails writes > the opinion, and that might be real tough after a full case! Sigh. Derailed for lack of convergence without significant proof. Schedule a FULL case with the PSARC coordinator. Sure I'll own it. I owned your last kegger attempt. Do we get pizza with this one too? Gary.. From Michael.Schuster@sun.com Tue Apr 1 09:05:42 2008 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m31G5gbp013271 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:05:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m31G5Y7g027114 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:05:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JYN00AV9M1G0350@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:05:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.43.133]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JYN00AXBLVBTE50@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:01:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m31G1xuV002936 for ; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:01:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JYN00H01KQO0000@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> (original mail from Michael.Schuster@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:01:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [129.146.106.37] by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JYN0025TLV45Q20@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com>; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:01:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:01:52 -0700 From: Michael Schuster Subject: Re: Bier [PSARC/2008/230 FastTrack timeout 04/01/2008] In-reply-to: <200804011647.m31Gls68021892@marduk.eng.sun.com> Sender: Michael.Schuster@sun.com To: Gary Winiger Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <47F25C70.7050104@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200804011647.m31Gls68021892@marduk.eng.sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (X11/20080311) Status: RO Content-Length: 894 Gary Winiger wrote: > Randy, > >>> If we're going to drag Randy through the whole umbrella case thing again, >>> after the recent run-around with power management, then maybe we should >>> just derail now and make him bring a full case of materials to the next >>> PSARC meeting. >>> >> >> ARC convention typically means that the person who derails writes >> the opinion, and that might be real tough after a full case! > > Sigh. Derailed for lack of convergence without significant proof. > Schedule a FULL case with the PSARC coordinator. Sure I'll own > it. I owned your last kegger attempt. Do we get pizza with this > one too? Gary, sorry to be a nitpicker, I don't think pizza(1) is covered by this case (or keg). I'll have to ask John Plocher about this moderation thing again. Michael -- Michael Schuster http://blogs.sun.com/recursion Recursion, n.: see 'Recursion' From randy.fishel@sun.com Tue Apr 1 09:07:19 2008 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m31G7JKu013350 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:07:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m31G7Inj018936 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:07:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JYN00A40M460060@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:07:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm-eng-01.sfbay.sun.com ([129.145.155.198]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JYN00AMOLXUTM50@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:03:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grimmy.eng.sun.com (grimmy.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.108.114]) by dm-eng-01.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m31G3TMn022192; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:03:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grimmy.eng.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grimmy.eng.sun.com (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with ESMTP id m31G3ROp027877; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:03:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (randyf@localhost) by grimmy.eng.sun.com (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10/Submit) with ESMTP id m31G3Rpo027873; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:03:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:03:27 -0800 (PST) From: Randy Fishel Subject: Re: Bier [PSARC/2008/230 FastTrack timeout 04/01/2008] In-reply-to: <47F25836.9090301@sun.com> X-X-Sender: randyf@grimmy To: "Dana H. Myers" Cc: Stacey Jonathan Marshall - Solaris RPE , PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200804010707.m3177Ydj028668@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <47F212E7.2070101@sun.com> <47F255A0.60300@sun.com> <47F25836.9090301@sun.com> X-Authentication-warning: grimmy.eng.sun.com: randyf owned process doing -bs Status: RO Content-Length: 1390 On Tue, 1 Apr 2008, Dana H. Myers wrote: > Randy Fishel wrote: > > On Tue, 1 Apr 2008, Dana H. Myers wrote: > > > > > > > > > Exporting Interfaces > > > > > ==================== > > > > > Name Stability > > > > > =========================================== > > > > > Urethra Standard (and important after using beer(1)) > > > > > > > > This section is missing the other, less commonly-used, exporting interface > > > > > > Esophagus Standard (usually associated with one of the > > > keg > > > packages) > > > > > > > This is only used for overflow, though. And because it isn't a pretty > > sight, I choose to omit it (especially since it is often used by users that > > don't have the 'public.beer.legal-age' authorization). However, if ARC > > members see that this as more common, I will include it as well (I just try > > not to use it). > > > I believe it's important to consider all possible STREAMS associated with > beer(4). > > Dana > Thinking about it a bit more, one of the components in the constructor of beer(1), is CO2, and that does tend to overflow fairly easily, and isn't so bad. In fact some take pride in generating this overflow, so Esophagus should be included. There is also another stream(4), but that is used in private (or at least should be). ---- Randy From randy.fishel@sun.com Tue Apr 1 09:07:53 2008 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m31G7qdB013437 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:07:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m31G7hi1014328 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 17:07:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JYN004YPM52U110@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 10:07:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dm-eng-02.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.11.32]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JYN00491M17UK20@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 10:05:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from grimmy.eng.sun.com (grimmy.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.108.114]) by dm-eng-02.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m31G5VJq045105; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:05:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grimmy.eng.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grimmy.eng.sun.com (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with ESMTP id m31G5TOp027892; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:05:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (randyf@localhost) by grimmy.eng.sun.com (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10/Submit) with ESMTP id m31G5SRl027888; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:05:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:05:28 -0800 (PST) From: Randy Fishel Subject: Re: Bier [PSARC/2008/230 FastTrack timeout 04/01/2008] In-reply-to: <47F258E9.7040701@sun.com> X-X-Sender: randyf@grimmy To: Michael Schuster Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200804010707.m3177Ydj028668@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <47F258E9.7040701@sun.com> X-Authentication-warning: grimmy.eng.sun.com: randyf owned process doing -bs Status: RO Content-Length: 703 On Tue, 1 Apr 2008, Michael Schuster wrote: > Randy Fishel wrote: > > I am sponsoring this fasttrack on behalf of myself. The timer is set > > to 04/01/2008. > > > > > > Overview > > ======== > > This case describes the proper usage model for the common zymological > > beverage, beer(1). > > pls excuse if this is covered elsewhere: > > - what is/are the delivery vehicle(s) for beer(1)? Usually a truck, as standard vehicles (especially motorcycles) can't generate any decent bandwidth. > - what is the support model? beer(1) is only rented, and requires regular flushing. ---- Randy > > -- > Michael Schuster http://blogs.sun.com/recursion > Recursion, n.: see 'Recursion' > From Neal.Pollack@sun.com Tue Apr 1 09:22:09 2008 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m31GM9jG013568 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:22:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m31GM8dE026927 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:22:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JYN004I4MSWS930@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.Com); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 10:22:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.43.133]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JYN004PHMO4UJ30@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.Com); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 10:19:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-09.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m31GJGkK005221 for ; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:19:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-09.sun.com by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JYN00G01M2SHV00@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> (original mail from Neal.Pollack@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@Sun.Com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.Com); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:19:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.1.48.130] by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JYN00ICZMO399F0@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com>; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:19:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:19:15 -0700 From: Neal Pollack Subject: Re: Bier [PSARC/2008/230 FastTrack timeout 04/01/2008] In-reply-to: <200804010707.m3177Ydj028668@sac.sfbay.sun.com> Sender: Neal.Pollack@sun.com To: Randy Fishel Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <47F26083.5020200@Sun.Com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200804010707.m3177Ydj028668@sac.sfbay.sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20080128) Status: RO Content-Length: 6738 Randy Fishel wrote: > I am sponsoring this fasttrack on behalf of myself. The timer is set > to 04/01/2008. > > > Overview > ======== > This case describes the proper usage model for the common zymological > beverage, beer(1). Though the beverage 'wine(1)' has similar processes > and has similar results, the density and concentrations are different, > so this case will not include 'wine(1)'. This case will also not > include common compression techniques (warming and cooling), but will > reference them. > > > Unless you can specify the upgrade and packaging dependencies in going from beer to wine, I may have to derail, and conduct my own test run. I'll set the timer to expire at noon. > History > ======= > In ancient times, the Mesopotamians discovered that grape juice left > out for some time changed into a fluid that, when consumed, cause > people to act giddy and talk loudly, but otherwise felt very happy. A > curious group, they also experimented with other materials, and found > that using grains (rice, wheat, and barley), they could get a fluid > with a little less impact, and more of it could be used. Grains were > also more abundant, so it was also more economical. This became beer(1). > > The ancient Egyptians documented their procedures for constructing > beer(1), and has been reproduced in modern times. Though the quality > of the reproduced product isn't as good as modern beer(1), much of the > effects were as they are today. > > In the 16th century, the French, being taxed on the volume of the > liquid, determined that the fluid can be compressed by applying heat > and cold to get the essence of the liquid. The compressed liquid was > usable by itself, but decompression was never viable. > > The British also discovered that if the flower of the hop plant was > added, the stability of beer would improve. A lot of hops allowed for > beer to remain stable for the long journey to India (hence, the "India > Pale Ale"). > > Beer was also popular with the American settlers, where the first > commercial production facility was built in Hoboken New Jersey in the > late 16th century. Perhaps it was the impact of this fluid that caused > brewers such as George Washington, Samuel Adams, Paul Revere, and > enthusiast Ben Franklin to dislike the British. It might also be the > reason the Bostonians put tea in Boston harbor, and not in hot water. > > In 1857, Louis Pasteur made the connection of yeast with fermentation. > But it was the German chemist, Eduard Buchner, winner of the 1907 Nobel > Prize, that determined that it was the yeast enzyme, zymase, that > catalyzes glycolysis, and leads to the characteristics of beer(1). > > In 1985, the need for standards caused the certification group BJCP to > define standards and certify individuals that are qualified to validate > beer. This standard is included in the case materials. > > > Technical Details > ================= > The detailed formula for creation is: > > C6H12O6 + O2 + => 2 CH3CH2OH + 2 C02 + 2ATP > > or > Sugar + Oxygen + => Alcohol + Carbon Dioxide + energy > > This is an aerobic reaction as it consumes oxygen, and the catalyst is > the zymase of yeast. > > Considering that the common sugars used have significantly different > characteristics, and the process of turning these sugars into compounds > that can easily be converted to beer, the end product will be dependent > on the actual starting components. > > For the correct product, it is important that the fungi species > Saccharomyces Cerevisiae be used, as other catalysts will impact the > formula and generate a completely different and undesirable product. > > Some of the detailed starting components or procedures are considered > proprietary and cannot be described in this case, but the common > process allows for and encourages this individuality, and actually > improves the usage. > > > Usage > ===== > The most common usage is: > > cd /pub > more beer > > though recent usage has been: > > find /brewer -name beer -exec drink {} \; > > Note that usage has the same results as discovered by the Mesopotamians, > and can lead to the usage of date(1) and/or join(1), and often leads to > the misuse of chat(1m). Excessive usage can cause garbled verbage, user > data corruption, unexpected reduced power, decreased vertical stability, > or unintentional overflow. Normal usage will cause a slight to moderate > ammonia buildup that will require regular flushing. > > > Accessibility > ============= > beer(1) is accessible to all provided that security constraints (below) > are followed. Even people with disabilities can use and appreciate the > value of beer(1). > > > Internationalization > ==================== > beer(1) already is internationalized, and is well understood by many in > all languages. Usage and callouts vary in various languages, but general > charactierstics remain constant. It also has a built in mechanism for > people of different languages to understand each other, though it can > lead to disagreements during sporting events (especially with Zebras). > > > Security > ======== > beer(1) has the following authorizations: > > public.beer.legal-age Having this authorization allows > the user to acquire beer(1). > public.beer.underlimit Having this authorization allows > the user to to pass audits. > public.beer.designateddriver Having this authorization denies > the user access to beer(1) but > allows the user to continue to > use auto(1). > > These should be considered weak authorizations, as any college > student can easily circumvent the public.beer.legal-age auth. And many > ignore the public.beer.underlimit and public.beer.designateddriver > auths. However, auditing is handled by federal agencies, and failure > to have these authorizations while using beer(1) (especially the use of > auto(1) while using beer(1)) can result in reduced monetary resources > and/or severely restricted access. > > > Imported Interfaces > =================== > Name Stability > =========================================== > Beer Volatile > Sake Volatile > Barley Wine Extremely Volatile > > Exporting Interfaces > ==================== > Name Stability > =========================================== > Urethra Standard (and important after using beer(1)) > > > Packaging > ========= > Bottle (7 to 22 US fluid ounces) > Growler (Half-gallon jug - but jek3 knows this) > pony keg (3 to 7.5 US gallons) > Standard Keg (15.5 US gallons a.k.a. half-barrel) > Barrel (standard unit) (31 US gallons) > > > From John.Plocher@sun.com Tue Apr 1 10:42:34 2008 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m31HgXSV020373 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:42:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m31HgVUJ002425 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 18:42:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JYN00N01QIV0000@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 10:42:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.43.132]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JYN00AILQIVTAC0@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 10:42:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m31HgUtb002261 for ; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 10:42:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JYN00801QFOH100@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> (original mail from John.Plocher@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 10:42:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wp668.local ([208.74.177.212]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JYN0093GQIJ7990@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 10:42:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 10:42:18 -0700 From: John Plocher Subject: Re: Bier [PSARC/2008/230 FastTrack timeout 04/01/2008] In-reply-to: <47F25C70.7050104@sun.com> Sender: John.Plocher@sun.com To: PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <47F273FA.4090309@Sun.Com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200804011647.m31Gls68021892@marduk.eng.sun.com> <47F25C70.7050104@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Macintosh/20080213) Status: RO Content-Length: 1102 Having slept thru some of Randy's ARC cases where this project would have been seriously appreciated - and needed - I'm not sure I'm the right one to ask about moderation. Granted, there has been a lot of wine(5)ing going on about various public expectations, but the debate hasn't even touched on the tax(7)onomy implications introduced by this case. As an aside, someone from the services team objected to a subtle mis-characterization in the architectural background, and asked me to step up to the bar for them. The project docs state that "decompression was never viable", but yet our company makes a significant amount of high margin revenue based on the fact that inexpensive object oriented algorithms can be applied to the essence, resulting in high margin products that have captured huge market share. For more info, see the mixin superclass, specifically the Screwdriver(1m) application and the entire "DoubleBubble" product line. Finally, there are several projects in the queue that depend on this case - I know of at least the boilermaker(1m) and sakebomb(1m) efforts.... -John From Alan.Coopersmith@sun.com Tue Apr 1 13:01:16 2008 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m31K1GfL025396 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 13:01:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m31K1FAn009770 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 13:01:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JYN00J0JWY37Q00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:01:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.43.132]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JYN00ID0WY28W10@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:01:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m31K1EfO021181 for ; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:01:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JYN00L01WECU800@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> (original mail from Alan.Coopersmith@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:01:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from almas.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.106.93]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JYN00CP9WXXXW00@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com>; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:01:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:01:09 -0700 From: Alan Coopersmith Subject: Re: Bier [PSARC/2008/230 FastTrack timeout 04/01/2008] In-reply-to: <20080401142117.GM16998@Sun.COM> Sender: Alan.Coopersmith@sun.com To: Randy Fishel , PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <47F29485.20405@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.1 References: <200804010707.m3177Ydj028668@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <20080401142117.GM16998@Sun.COM> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071203) Status: RO Content-Length: 1159 Nicolas Williams wrote: > Because let's face it, without wine(1) I think this case is woefully > incomplete. This may not make much sense to those not in MPK17 at the moment, but wine(1) seems to be a feature of the new ZFS Micro-pool implementation currently being demo'ed in Bill & Jeff's office upstairs, so perhaps the ZFS team will bring that case to us. (Hopefully details of the ZFS micro-pool will be posted to one of their blogs soon for everyone else's benefit.) > Sounds good to me, but I'm going to have to schedule a trip to MPK, so > please pick a firm date for the meeting ASAP. Obviously, flying everyone in won't scale, so you may have to arrange a local review for a case at your nearest OpenSolaris User Group meeting. I think the OGB will insist that when this case comes to the ARC for review that it be an open case, since a closed review of this case would be less enlightening. (Though having the materials remain available for the closed portion of this weeks' PSARC meeting may be very appropriate as well.) -- -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersmith@sun.com Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering From sommerfeld@sun.com Tue Apr 1 13:18:05 2008 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m31KI4dN025862 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 13:18:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m31KHk8p021273; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 04:18:03 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JYN00M0NXQ2Y200@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 14:18:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dm-east-02.east.sun.com ([129.148.13.5]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JYN00JIGXQ19RC0@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 14:18:01 -0600 (MDT) Received: from thunk.east.sun.com (thunk.East.Sun.COM [129.148.174.66]) by dm-east-02.east.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m31KHxbP046101; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:17:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by thunk.east.sun.com (8.14.2+Sun/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m31KHxRi006948; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:17:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:17:58 -0400 From: Bill Sommerfeld Subject: Re: Bier [PSARC/2008/230 FastTrack timeout 04/01/2008] In-reply-to: <47F24F14.4000107@sun.com> To: Alan Coopersmith Cc: Randy Fishel , PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <1207081078.5871.44.camel@thunk> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.2 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200804010707.m3177Ydj028668@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <20080401142117.GM16998@Sun.COM> <47F24F14.4000107@sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 514 On Tue, 2008-04-01 at 08:04 -0700, Alan Coopersmith wrote: > maybe we should > just derail now and make him bring a full case of materials to the next > PSARC meeting. For what little it's worth, we didn't make a similar requirement of any of the assorted single-malt-related projects we approved in recent years, most notably PSARC 2005/153 Bunnahabhain. I'm not sure why we'd burden this project team with providing us with free samples when our past practice generally hasn't required it. - Bill From Michael.Schuster@sun.com Tue Apr 1 13:22:36 2008 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m31KMZqf025926 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 13:22:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m31KMSVK014582; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 21:22:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JYN00F0BXXL6400@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.43.132]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JYN001F3XXKY1C0@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:22:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m31KMWsE023945; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:22:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JYN00G01XTVUJ00@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> (original mail from Michael.Schuster@Sun.COM); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:22:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [129.146.106.37] by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JYN00CIZXXKXWB0@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com>; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:22:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:22:32 -0700 From: Michael Schuster Subject: Re: Bier [PSARC/2008/230 FastTrack timeout 04/01/2008] In-reply-to: <1207081078.5871.44.camel@thunk> Sender: Michael.Schuster@sun.com To: Bill Sommerfeld Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <47F29988.8020100@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200804010707.m3177Ydj028668@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <20080401142117.GM16998@Sun.COM> <47F24F14.4000107@sun.com> <1207081078.5871.44.camel@thunk> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (X11/20080311) Status: RO Content-Length: 726 Bill Sommerfeld wrote: > On Tue, 2008-04-01 at 08:04 -0700, Alan Coopersmith wrote: >> maybe we should >> just derail now and make him bring a full case of materials to the next >> PSARC meeting. > > For what little it's worth, we didn't make a similar requirement of any > of the assorted single-malt-related projects we approved in recent > years, most notably PSARC 2005/153 Bunnahabhain. > > I'm not sure why we'd burden this project team with providing us with > free samples when our past practice generally hasn't required it. I don't think previous mistakes should be taken as a sign for new projects to make the same. Michael -- Michael Schuster http://blogs.sun.com/recursion Recursion, n.: see 'Recursion' From Artem.Kachitchkin@sun.com Tue Apr 1 13:46:52 2008 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m31Kkpnh027361 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 13:46:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m31Kkgv3002585 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 04:46:50 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JYN00K2FZ21U900@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:46:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.43.133]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JYN00IWRZ1Z8W40@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:46:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-09.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m31KklYL010202 for ; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:46:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-09.sun.com by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JYN00901Z0P0000@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> (original mail from Artem.Kachitchkin@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:46:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [129.146.104.83] by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JYN00FTEZ1YHR60@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com>; Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:46:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 13:47:58 -0700 From: Artem Kachitchkine Subject: Re: Bier [PSARC/2008/230 FastTrack timeout 04/01/2008] In-reply-to: <47F258E9.7040701@sun.com> Sender: Artem.Kachitchkin@sun.com To: Michael Schuster Cc: Randy Fishel , PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <47F29F7E.4010604@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200804010707.m3177Ydj028668@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <47F258E9.7040701@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071105) Status: RO Content-Length: 381 > - what is the support model? The Best Practice is to prop oneself with an outstretched limb against a firm, vertical surface. Of course, frequent usage of beer(1) makes it difficult to distinguish between vertical and horizontal characteristics of a surface, which, in my opinion, is one of the most striking manifestations of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle. -Artem From gww@eng.sun.com Wed Apr 2 14:51:39 2008 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m32Lpd1x021591 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 14:51:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m32LpZ6Y014944 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 15:51:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JYP00I2PWQ2K000@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 02 Apr 2008 15:51:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dm-eng-02.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.11.32]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JYP00DHTWQ03330@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 02 Apr 2008 15:51:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from marduk.eng.sun.com (marduk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.108.224]) by dm-eng-02.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m32LpZSk014615; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:51:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marduk.eng.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by marduk.eng.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m32MqAa3024253; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:52:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gww@localhost) by marduk.eng.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.11/Submit) id m32MqAxZ024252; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:52:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:52:10 -0800 (PST) From: Gary Winiger Subject: Re: Bier [PSARC/2008/230 FastTrack timeout 04/01/2008] To: Alan.Coopersmith@sun.com, gww@eng.sun.com, randy.fishel@sun.com Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <200804022252.m32MqAxZ024252@marduk.eng.sun.com> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 Status: RO Content-Length: 546 > > ARC convention typically means that the person who derails writes > > the opinion, and that might be real tough after a full case! > > Sigh. Derailed for lack of convergence without significant proof. > Schedule a FULL case with the PSARC coordinator. Sure I'll own > it. The project team came with a full case of materials which were reviewed in detail leading to the conclusion that bier was really a summarization of components. Finding so, the case is closed approved as all the review material has been consumed. Gary.. From glenn.skinner@Sun.COM Wed Apr 2 15:04:31 2008 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m32M4UWi022221 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 15:04:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m32M4N1X017790; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 06:04:26 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JYP0091TXBBB900@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 15:04:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ivrel.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.74.76]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JYP007JBXB96K40@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 15:04:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ivrel (ivrel [129.146.74.76]) by ivrel.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with SMTP id m32M4LVk007311; Wed, 02 Apr 2008 15:04:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 15:04:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Skinner Subject: Re: Bier [PSARC/2008/230 FastTrack timeout 04/01/2008] To: Alan.Coopersmith@Sun.COM, randy.fishel@Sun.COM Cc: PSARC-ext@Sun.COM Reply-to: Glenn Skinner Message-id: <200804022204.m32M4LVk007311@ivrel.sfbay.sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.6_36 SunOS 5.11 sun4u sparc Content-type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-MD5: 54EdbeitFydeAn7oKhzxbg== X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 Status: RO Content-Length: 821 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:52:10 -0800 (PST) From: Gary Winiger Subject: Re: Bier [PSARC/2008/230 FastTrack timeout 04/01/2008] > > ARC convention typically means that the person who derails writes > > the opinion, and that might be real tough after a full case! > > Sigh. Derailed for lack of convergence without significant proof. > Schedule a FULL case with the PSARC coordinator. Sure I'll own > it. The project team came with a full case of materials which were reviewed in detail leading to the conclusion that bier was really a summarization of components. Finding so, the case is closed approved as all the review material has been consumed. Hmmm, I thought that the case was closed and withdrawn for refil(l)ing at a later date. -- Glenn From jek3@sun.com Thu Apr 3 14:45:43 2008 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m33LjhxF003905 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 14:45:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m33LjgVP004064 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 14:45:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JYR00F1XR46OB00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:45:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.17.59]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JYR00ECMR45YW00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:45:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [129.150.13.200] (vpn-129-150-13-200.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.150.13.200]) by jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com (8.14.2+Sun/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m33LjeY8499605; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:45:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 11:45:32 -1000 From: Joseph Kowalski Subject: Re: Bier [PSARC/2008/230 FastTrack timeout 04/01/2008] In-reply-to: <20080401142117.GM16998@Sun.COM> To: Randy Fishel , PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <47F54FFC.7000705@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200804010707.m3177Ydj028668@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <20080401142117.GM16998@Sun.COM> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20080225) Status: RO Content-Length: 577 Behind in my mail,... > Because let's face it, without wine(1) I think this case is woefully > incomplete. And make sure to include the --red, --white, --rosé, > --varietal=VARIETAL, and other important options. This being FOSS we'll > just have to accept GNU-style long options and to -hiccup- hell with the > CLIP. > I know this is already approved, but I strongly advise removing the --rose and --varietal=WHITE_ZIN options. Solaris has a reputation of quality and maturity that should not be imputed by the "inclusive" attitudes of young FOSS developers. - jek3 From Nicolas.Williams@sun.com Thu Apr 3 15:01:39 2008 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m33M1djN004394 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 15:01:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m33M1dit007668; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 15:01:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JYR00919RUR0Z00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 16:01:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from binky.Central.Sun.COM ([129.153.128.104]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JYR00LTORUQNG80@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 16:01:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from binky.Central.Sun.COM (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by binky.Central.Sun.COM (8.14.1+Sun/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m33M1YbF003534; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 17:01:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from nw141292@localhost) by binky.Central.Sun.COM (8.14.1+Sun/8.14.1/Submit) id m33M1YsR003533; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 17:01:34 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 17:01:34 -0500 From: Nicolas Williams Subject: Re: Bier [PSARC/2008/230 FastTrack timeout 04/01/2008] In-reply-to: <47F54FFC.7000705@sun.com> To: Joseph Kowalski Cc: Randy Fishel , PSARC-ext@sun.com Mail-followup-to: Joseph Kowalski , Randy Fishel , PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <20080403220133.GJ16998@Sun.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Content-disposition: inline X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200804010707.m3177Ydj028668@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <20080401142117.GM16998@Sun.COM> <47F54FFC.7000705@sun.com> X-Authentication-warning: binky.Central.Sun.COM: nw141292 set sender to Nicolas.Williams@sun.com using -f User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i Status: RO Content-Length: 855 On Thu, Apr 03, 2008 at 11:45:32AM -1000, Joseph Kowalski wrote: > I know this is already approved, but I strongly advise removing the > --rose and --varietal=WHITE_ZIN options. Solaris has a reputation of > quality and maturity that should not be imputed by the "inclusive" > attitudes of young FOSS developers. With all the respect due to, uhm, more mature developers, you'll note that: a) I didn't mention white zin (I didn't even think of it, because I don't think of it), b) when you live in central Texas (as I do), during the summer (which is to say about eight months of the year, sometimes more) you might _just_ bring yourself to drink rosé if it's chilled -- _certainly_ if the alternative is red wine, even in the late evening, and c) the real reason for mentioning rosé was to breach the subject of non-ASCII options. From scott.rotondo@Sun.COM Thu Apr 3 15:11:07 2008 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m33MB7uo004460 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 15:11:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m33MB5jU010376; Thu, 3 Apr 2008 15:11:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JYR00I01SAI5Q00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:11:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.17.63]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JYR00ENESAIYL10@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:11:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [129.146.108.62] (vinifera.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.108.62]) by jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com (8.14.2+Sun/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m33MB5U3503196; Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:11:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:11:05 -0700 From: Scott Rotondo Subject: Re: Bier [PSARC/2008/230 FastTrack timeout 04/01/2008] In-reply-to: <47F54FFC.7000705@sun.com> To: Joseph Kowalski Cc: Randy Fishel , PSARC-ext@Sun.COM Message-id: <47F555F9.5010607@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200804010707.m3177Ydj028668@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <20080401142117.GM16998@Sun.COM> <47F54FFC.7000705@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071119) Status: RO Content-Length: 1339 Joseph Kowalski wrote: > > Behind in my mail,... >> Because let's face it, without wine(1) I think this case is woefully >> incomplete. And make sure to include the --red, --white, --rosé, >> --varietal=VARIETAL, and other important options. This being FOSS we'll >> just have to accept GNU-style long options and to -hiccup- hell with the >> CLIP. >> > I know this is already approved, but I strongly advise removing the > --rose and --varietal=WHITE_ZIN options. Solaris has a reputation of > quality and maturity that should not be imputed by the "inclusive" > attitudes of young FOSS developers. > But white zinfandel has the third-largest market share by case volume [1]. Clearly the community has spoken, and they find that white zin meets their beverage needs. Who are we to impose our elitist ivory-tower quality standards? Watch for future fast-tracks to implement bud(1) and coors(1). Although some might argue that they duplicate much of the functionality of beer(1), the implementation is completely different, and there is a substantial installed base that demands 100% compatibility. It should be possible to provide sufficient packaging metadata to prevent accidental consumption of bud(1) and coors(1) by the unwary. Scott [1] http://www.winebusiness.com/SalesMarketing/webarticle.cfm?dataId=42231 From James.McPherson@Sun.COM Fri Apr 4 02:19:41 2008 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m349JfhJ020693 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 02:19:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m349JfFn022119 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 02:19:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JYS00N05N8S0R00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Fri, 04 Apr 2008 02:19:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sineb-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.19.7]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JYS00DTXN8Q0OC0@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Fri, 04 Apr 2008 02:19:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-apac-06.sun.com (fe-apac-06.sun.com [192.18.19.177] (may be forged)) by sineb-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m349K6w2011075 for ; Fri, 04 Apr 2008 09:20:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-apac.sun.com by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0JYS00D01N7PE300@mail-apac.sun.com> (original mail from James.McPherson@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Fri, 04 Apr 2008 17:19:11 +0800 (SGT) Received: from [192.168.1.35] ([220.157.71.44]) by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0JYS00B18N7UMFCH@mail-apac.sun.com>; Fri, 04 Apr 2008 17:19:10 +0800 (SGT) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:19:01 +1000 From: "James C. McPherson" Subject: Re: Bier [PSARC/2008/230 FastTrack timeout 04/01/2008] In-reply-to: <47F555F9.5010607@sun.com> Sender: James.McPherson@Sun.COM To: Scott Rotondo Cc: Joseph Kowalski , Randy Fishel , PSARC-ext@Sun.COM Reply-to: James.McPherson@Sun.COM Message-id: <47F5F285.3010805@Sun.COM> Organization: Sun Microsystems MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200804010707.m3177Ydj028668@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <20080401142117.GM16998@Sun.COM> <47F54FFC.7000705@sun.com> <47F555F9.5010607@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20080128) Status: RO Content-Length: 1785 Scott Rotondo wrote: > Joseph Kowalski wrote: >> >> Behind in my mail,... >>> Because let's face it, without wine(1) I think this case is woefully >>> incomplete. And make sure to include the --red, --white, --ros�, >>> --varietal=VARIETAL, and other important options. This being FOSS we'll >>> just have to accept GNU-style long options and to -hiccup- hell with the >>> CLIP. >>> >> I know this is already approved, but I strongly advise removing the >> --rose and --varietal=WHITE_ZIN options. Solaris has a reputation of >> quality and maturity that should not be imputed by the "inclusive" >> attitudes of young FOSS developers. >> > > But white zinfandel has the third-largest market share by case volume > [1]. Clearly the community has spoken, and they find that white zin > meets their beverage needs. Who are we to impose our elitist ivory-tower > quality standards? We are Correct(tm), and are the only ones who appreciate why White Zin is only slightly better than PassionPop. /me wanders off in a Coonwarra shiraz-induced red haze....... > Watch for future fast-tracks to implement bud(1) and coors(1). Although > some might argue that they duplicate much of the functionality of > beer(1), the implementation is completely different, and there is a > substantial installed base that demands 100% compatibility. It should be > possible to provide sufficient packaging metadata to prevent accidental > consumption of bud(1) and coors(1) by the unwary. No doubt we'd need to have one for duff(1), dufflite(1) and duffzero(1), and another one for fosters(1) too, with a See Also that mentions both bud(1) and coors(1). James -- Senior Kernel Software Engineer, Solaris Sun Microsystems http://blogs.sun.com/jmcp http://www.jmcp.homeunix.com/blog From brian.utterback@sun.com Fri Apr 4 06:48:32 2008 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m34DmVCW025754 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 06:48:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m34DmNE9006355; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 14:48:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JYS00B01ZOPY000@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Fri, 04 Apr 2008 06:48:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm-east-02.east.sun.com ([129.148.13.5]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JYS002YFZOOSXB0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Fri, 04 Apr 2008 06:48:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [129.148.226.12] (sr1-unsh01-02.East.Sun.COM [129.148.226.12]) by dm-east-02.east.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m34DmJdf050119; Fri, 04 Apr 2008 09:48:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 09:48:19 -0400 From: Brian Utterback Subject: Re: Bier [PSARC/2008/230 FastTrack timeout 04/01/2008] In-reply-to: <47F5F285.3010805@Sun.COM> To: James.McPherson@sun.com Cc: Scott Rotondo , Joseph Kowalski , Randy Fishel , PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <47F631A3.6030004@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200804010707.m3177Ydj028668@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <20080401142117.GM16998@Sun.COM> <47F54FFC.7000705@sun.com> <47F555F9.5010607@sun.com> <47F5F285.3010805@Sun.COM> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14pre (X11/20080330) Status: RO Content-Length: 866 James C. McPherson wrote: > No doubt we'd need to have one for duff(1), dufflite(1) and duffzero(1), > and another one for fosters(1) too, with a See Also that mentions both > bud(1) and coors(1). Can these be made compatible? Instead of duplicating the code needlessly, perhaps we could have a single executable, ontap(1) with a "brand" flag, "-b" that would specify the particular flavor to dispense? If necessary, we could still have the individual commands via links to the ontap command, which would cause the ontap command to behave as if it were called like this: "ontap -b $0". -- blu There are two rules in life: Rule 1- Don't tell people everything you know ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian Utterback - Solaris RPE, Sun Microsystems, Inc. Ph:877-259-7345, Em:brian.utterback-at-ess-you-enn-dot-kom From James.McPherson@sun.com Fri Apr 4 07:19:24 2008 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m34EJNbx026437 for ; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 07:19:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m34EJIv5025961 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Fri, 4 Apr 2008 22:19:22 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0JYT0041X147EB00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Fri, 04 Apr 2008 07:19:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sineb-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.19.6]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JYT00M4G1442M30@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Fri, 04 Apr 2008 07:19:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-apac-05.sun.com (fe-apac-05.sun.com [192.18.19.176] (may be forged)) by sineb-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m34EJRuu017765 for ; Fri, 04 Apr 2008 14:19:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-apac.sun.com by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0JYT00701123F500@mail-apac.sun.com> (original mail from James.McPherson@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Fri, 04 Apr 2008 22:19:10 +0800 (SGT) Received: from [192.168.1.35] ([220.157.71.44]) by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0JYT006B613WKDYU@mail-apac.sun.com>; Fri, 04 Apr 2008 22:19:10 +0800 (SGT) Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 00:18:43 +1000 From: "James C. McPherson" Subject: Re: Bier [PSARC/2008/230 FastTrack timeout 04/01/2008] In-reply-to: <47F631A3.6030004@sun.com> Sender: James.McPherson@sun.com To: Brian Utterback Cc: Scott Rotondo , Joseph Kowalski , Randy Fishel , PSARC-ext@sun.com Reply-to: James.McPherson@sun.com Message-id: <47F638C3.2060109@Sun.COM> Organization: Sun Microsystems MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200804010707.m3177Ydj028668@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <20080401142117.GM16998@Sun.COM> <47F54FFC.7000705@sun.com> <47F555F9.5010607@sun.com> <47F5F285.3010805@Sun.COM> <47F631A3.6030004@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20080128) Status: RO Content-Length: 1005 Brian Utterback wrote: > > > James C. McPherson wrote: > >> No doubt we'd need to have one for duff(1), dufflite(1) and duffzero(1), >> and another one for fosters(1) too, with a See Also that mentions both >> bud(1) and coors(1). > > Can these be made compatible? Instead of duplicating the code > needlessly, perhaps we could have a single executable, ontap(1) > with a "brand" flag, "-b" that would specify the particular flavor to > dispense? If necessary, we could still have the individual commands via > links to the ontap command, which would cause the ontap command to > behave as if it were called like this: "ontap -b $0". Given my mental image of duff(1), dufflite(1) and duffzero(1) from the "Homer and Barney go on the Duff Brewery Tour" episode[1], I think that would be perfectly acceptable :-) [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duffless James C. McPherson -- Senior Kernel Software Engineer, Solaris Sun Microsystems http://blogs.sun.com/jmcp http://www.jmcp.homeunix.com/blog