From johnf@sac.sfbay.sun.com Mon May 12 15:48:36 2008 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m4CMmZFX026054 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 15:48:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m4CMmKLf014235; Mon, 12 May 2008 23:48:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K0S0050120XY100@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Mon, 12 May 2008 15:48:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm-sfbay-01.sfbay.sun.com ([129.145.155.118]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K0S00LDN20WH320@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Mon, 12 May 2008 15:48:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sac.sfbay.sun.com (new-sac.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.175.65]) by dm-sfbay-01.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m4CMmVoK033276; Mon, 12 May 2008 15:48:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sac.sfbay.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m4CMmTvU026049; Mon, 12 May 2008 15:48:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from johnf@localhost) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/Submit) id m4CMmTg9026045; Mon, 12 May 2008 15:48:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 15:48:29 -0700 (PDT) From: John Fischer Subject: autogen and guile [PSARC/2008/315 FastTrack timeout 05/19/2008] To: PSARC-ext@sun.com Cc: Steve.Xue@sun.com Message-id: <200805122248.m4CMmTg9026045@sac.sfbay.sun.com> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 Status: RO Content-Length: 3892 Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.66 04/17/08 SMI This information is Copyright 2008 Sun Microsystems 1. Introduction 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: autogen and guile 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: Author: Steve Xue 1.3 Date of This Document: 12 May, 2008 4. Technical Description Summary ======= Autogen[1] is a tool designed to simplify the creation and maintenance of programs that contain large amounts of repetitious text. It is especially valuable in programs that have several blocks of text that must be kept synchronized. This utility can also be called a code generator, which are programs that automatically generate high level code (e.g. C, C++, C#, Java, Perl, Python, Ruby, etc.). These tools range in size and complexity from simple code parsers to fully featured class and tier builders. Because the implementation of Autogen used guile[2](GNU's extension language) and guile is not available now in SFW consolidation, so we decide to merge guile porting work together into this case. Guile[2] is a library designed to help programmers create flexible applications. Using Guile in an application allows programmers to write plug-ins or modules so the application fit their needs. Autogen-5.9 will be integrated into the SFW consolidation as part of this proposal, and will be installed as SUNWautogen. Guile-1.8.4 will be integrated into the SFW consolidation as part of this proposal, and will be installed as SUNWguile This project requests a minor release binding. Dependencies ============ libltdl ltdl - GNU libtool dlopen wrapper PSARC/2007/557 libgmp GNU Multiple Precision Arithmetic Library PSARC/2008/166 Interfaces ========== (1) Guile related: Exported Interfaces Classification Comment ------------------- -------------- ------- SUNWguile Uncommitted Package /usr/bin/guile Uncommitted Command /usr/bin/guile-snarf Uncommitted Command /usr/bin/guile-confi Uncommitted Command /usr/bin/guile-tools Uncommitted Command /usr/lib/libguile.so Uncommitted Guile library symbol link /usr/lib/libguile.so.17.1.2 Uncommitted guile library /usr/share/guile/ Project Private Scheme scripts /usr/include/libguile.h Uncommitted Header files /usr/include/libguile Uncommitted Header files /usr/include/guile/ Uncommitted Header files Imported Interfaces Classification Comment ------------------- -------------- ------- /usr/lib/libltdl.so Uncommitted PSARC/2007/557 /usr/lib/libgmp.so Committed PSARC/2008/166 (2) Autogen related: Exported Interfaces Classification Comment ------------------- -------------- ------- SUNWautogen Uncommitted Package /usr/bin/autogen Uncommitted Command /usr/bin/autoopts-config Uncommitted Command /usr/bin/columns Uncommitted Command /usr/bin/getdefs Uncommitted Command /usr/bin/xml2ag Uncommitted Command /usr/lib/libguileopts.so Uncommitted Libguileopts library symbol link /usr/lib/libguileopts.so.0.0.1 Uncommitted Libguileopts library /usr/share/autogen/ Project Private TPL scripts /usr/lib/libopts.so.25.3.0 Uncommitted Library used by libguileopts.so and autogen /usr/include/auotopts/ Uncommitted Header files Imported Interfaces Classification Comment ------------------- -------------- ------- /usr/lib/libguile.so Uncommitted Guile library symbol link Reference Documents =================== [1] http://www.gnu.org/software/autogen/ [2] http://www.gnu.org/software/guile/ RFE ID# 6672584 for autogen RFE ID# 6672583 for guile 6. Resources and Schedule 6.4. Steering Committee requested information 6.4.1. Consolidation C-team Name: SFW 6.5. ARC review type: FastTrack 6.6. ARC Exposure: open From John.Fischer@sun.com Mon May 12 15:57:14 2008 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m4CMvEK8026526 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 15:57:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m4CMvDrw026406 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:psarc-ext@sun.com>; Mon, 12 May 2008 15:57:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K0S00G032FC6L00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-ext@sun.com); Mon, 12 May 2008 16:57:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.43.133]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K0S00FHT2FBV300@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-ext@sun.com); Mon, 12 May 2008 16:57:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-09.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m4CMvBbv015040 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 15:57:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-09.sun.com by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K0S000010VS7P00@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> (original mail from John.Fischer@Sun.COM) for psarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-ext@sun.com); Mon, 12 May 2008 15:57:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.10.10] ([76.20.56.47]) by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K0S00GSD2F6T080@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-ext@sun.com); Mon, 12 May 2008 15:57:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 15:57:02 -0700 From: John Fischer Subject: PSARC/2008/315 - autogen and guile Sender: John.Fischer@sun.com To: PSARC-ext@sun.com Cc: Steve.Xue@sun.com, John Fischer Reply-to: John.Fischer@sun.com Message-id: <4828CB3E.8050608@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_JNpj/6lKE1G75sg09bwqHg)" X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (X11/20070622) Status: RO Content-Length: 6780 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_JNpj/6lKE1G75sg09bwqHg) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT PSARC, I am sponsoring this fast track for Steve Xue of the Core technologies team in Beijing. The case directory contains this proposal and the autogen and guile man pages. The project is integrating autogen and guile into a Minor release of Solaris. Autogen is a tool designed to simplify the creation and maintenance of programs that contain large amounts of repetitious text. Guile is a library designed to help programmers create flexible applications. The interfaces are declared Uncommitted with the exception of two directories within /usr/share which are declared Project Private. Thanks, John --Boundary_(ID_JNpj/6lKE1G75sg09bwqHg) Content-type: text/plain; name=proposal.txt Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline; filename=proposal.txt Title: Update of Adobe Acrobat plugin and reader to 8.2.1 Case: LSARC/2008/287 Submitter: Dermot McCluskey Owner: John Fischer Timeout: 04/28/2008 1.0 Introduction 1.1 Project/Component Working Name: Update of Adobe Acrobat plugin and reader to 8.2.1 1.2 Purpose This project will update the Adobe Acrobat Reader 8.2.1 into a Patch release of Solaris. This project is necessary for security issues and miscellaneous crashes in our currently shipping version of the Adobe Acrobat Reader. 2.0 Description This project will update the Acrobat Reader from version 7.0.1 to version 8.2.1. Adobe Reader 8.2.1 is the free viewing companion to Adobe Acrobat 8.2.1. Adobe Reader lets you view, navigate and print Portable Document Format (PDF) files. This project includes the standalone reader and the plugin that is necessary for Mozilla and Firefox. 2.1 Installation Location Note there is No Change from LSARC/2005/228 in this section. The installation location of the plugin will be as noted in section 2 of the opinion for LSARC/2002/745: /lib/[firefox|mozilla]/plugins For Solaris the installation location for the reader portion of the product will be: /usr 3.0 Delivery The Adobe Acrobat reader is bundled with JDS. This release will be available as part of the SUNWacroread and SUNWacroread-plugin SVr4 packages for JDS for Solaris. This project is targetting a Patch release of Solaris (i.e., Solaris 10 Update). 4.0 Interface Classification Note there is virtually No Change from LSARC/2005/528 in this section except for updating to the new Taxonomy classifications and removal of Linux sections. The project exports the following interfaces: +----------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Interfaces Exported | +-----------------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ | Interface Name | Classification | Comment | +-----------------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ | SUNWacroread | Uncommitted | SVr4 package for | | | | Acrobat | +-----------------------------------------+------------------+---------------------+ | SUNWacroread-plugin | Uncommitted | SVr4 package for | | | | Acrobat plugin | +-----------------------------------------+------------------+---------------------+ | nppdf.so | Volatile | browser plugin | +-----------------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ | acroread | Volatile | acroread standalone | | | | application | +-----------------------------------------+------------------+---------------------+ | /lib/AdobeReader | Volatile | Acrobat doc | | | | directory, formerly | | | | lib/Acrobat5/doc | +-----------------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ | .pdf | Committed | PDF file | | | | extension | | | | Standard file | | | | extension | +-----------------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ | PDF format | Committed | PDF file format | | | | Standard file | | | | format | +-----------------------------------------+------------------+---------------------+ | $HOME/.acrobat | Project Private | acrobat preferences | | | | directory | +-----------------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ | application/pdf | Committed | mime-type for plugin| +-----------------------------------------+------------------+---------------------+ The project imports the following interface: +----------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Interfaces Imported | +-----------------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ | Interface Name | Classification | Comment | +-----------------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ | /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins | Committed | upgraded from | | | | LSARC/2002/745 | +-----------------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ | plugin API | Committed | upgraded from | | | | LSARC/2002/745 | +-----------------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ --Boundary_(ID_JNpj/6lKE1G75sg09bwqHg)-- From John.Fischer@sun.com Mon May 12 16:13:02 2008 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m4CND18o027386 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 16:13:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m4CNCqV4021965 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 13 May 2008 07:13:01 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K0S0080535NO200@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.Com); Mon, 12 May 2008 16:12:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.43.132]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K0S00L7W35MGV40@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.Com); Mon, 12 May 2008 16:12:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m4CNCwiT023869 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 16:12:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K0S005012ZCKC00@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> (original mail from John.Fischer@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@Sun.Com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.Com); Mon, 12 May 2008 16:12:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.10.10] ([76.20.56.47]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K0S008IU35I1290@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@Sun.Com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.Com); Mon, 12 May 2008 16:12:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 16:12:50 -0700 From: John Fischer Subject: Re: PSARC/2008/315 - autogen and guile In-reply-to: <4828CB3E.8050608@sun.com> Sender: John.Fischer@sun.com To: John.Fischer@sun.com Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, Steve.Xue@sun.com Reply-to: John.Fischer@sun.com Message-id: <4828CEF2.5010608@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_M40qYx+kQ/uaBxFCim9TQQ)" X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <4828CB3E.8050608@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (X11/20070622) Status: RO Content-Length: 4587 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_M40qYx+kQ/uaBxFCim9TQQ) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT All, I attached the wrong proposal document for the email notification. The correct proposal is attached. Sorry about the confusion, John John Fischer wrote: > PSARC, > > I am sponsoring this fast track for Steve Xue of the Core > technologies team in Beijing. The case directory contains > this proposal and the autogen and guile man pages. > > The project is integrating autogen and guile into a Minor release > of Solaris. Autogen is a tool designed to simplify the creation > and maintenance of programs that contain large amounts of repetitious > text. Guile is a library designed to help programmers create flexible > applications. The interfaces are declared Uncommitted with the > exception of two directories within /usr/share which are declared > Project Private. > > Thanks, > > John > --Boundary_(ID_M40qYx+kQ/uaBxFCim9TQQ) Content-type: text/plain; name=proposal.txt Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline; filename=proposal.txt Summary ======= Autogen[1] is a tool designed to simplify the creation and maintenance of programs that contain large amounts of repetitious text. It is especially valuable in programs that have several blocks of text that must be kept synchronized. This utility can also be called a code generator, which are programs that automatically generate high level code (e.g. C, C++, C#, Java, Perl, Python, Ruby, etc.). These tools range in size and complexity from simple code parsers to fully featured class and tier builders. Because the implementation of Autogen used guile[2](GNU's extension language) and guile is not available now in SFW consolidation, so we decide to merge guile porting work together into this case. Guile[2] is a library designed to help programmers create flexible applications. Using Guile in an application allows programmers to write plug-ins or modules so the application fit their needs. Autogen-5.9 will be integrated into the SFW consolidation as part of this proposal, and will be installed as SUNWautogen. Guile-1.8.4 will be integrated into the SFW consolidation as part of this proposal, and will be installed as SUNWguile This project requests a minor release binding. Dependencies ============ libltdl ltdl - GNU libtool dlopen wrapper PSARC/2007/557 libgmp GNU Multiple Precision Arithmetic Library PSARC/2008/166 Interfaces ========== (1) Guile related: Exported Interfaces Classification Comment ------------------- -------------- ------- SUNWguile Uncommitted Package /usr/bin/guile Uncommitted Command /usr/bin/guile-snarf Uncommitted Command /usr/bin/guile-confi Uncommitted Command /usr/bin/guile-tools Uncommitted Command /usr/lib/libguile.so Uncommitted Guile library symbol link /usr/lib/libguile.so.17.1.2 Uncommitted guile library /usr/share/guile/ Project Private Scheme scripts /usr/include/libguile.h Uncommitted Header files /usr/include/libguile Uncommitted Header files /usr/include/guile/ Uncommitted Header files Imported Interfaces Classification Comment ------------------- -------------- ------- /usr/lib/libltdl.so Uncommitted PSARC/2007/557 /usr/lib/libgmp.so Committed PSARC/2008/166 (2) Autogen related: Exported Interfaces Classification Comment ------------------- -------------- ------- SUNWautogen Uncommitted Package /usr/bin/autogen Uncommitted Command /usr/bin/autoopts-config Uncommitted Command /usr/bin/columns Uncommitted Command /usr/bin/getdefs Uncommitted Command /usr/bin/xml2ag Uncommitted Command /usr/lib/libguileopts.so Uncommitted Libguileopts library symbol link /usr/lib/libguileopts.so.0.0.1 Uncommitted Libguileopts library /usr/share/autogen/ Project Private TPL scripts /usr/lib/libopts.so.25.3.0 Uncommitted Library used by libguileopts.so and autogen /usr/include/auotopts/ Uncommitted Header files Imported Interfaces Classification Comment ------------------- -------------- ------- /usr/lib/libguile.so Uncommitted Guile library symbol link Reference Documents =================== [1] http://www.gnu.org/software/autogen/ [2] http://www.gnu.org/software/guile/ RFE ID# 6672584 for autogen RFE ID# 6672583 for guile --Boundary_(ID_M40qYx+kQ/uaBxFCim9TQQ)-- From Irene.Huang@sun.com Mon May 12 19:26:33 2008 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m4D2QXcP002325 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 19:26:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m4D2QVI3004843 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Mon, 12 May 2008 19:26:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K0S0070VC479E00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.Com); Mon, 12 May 2008 20:26:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sineb-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.19.6]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K0S00545C46JS20@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.Com); Mon, 12 May 2008 20:26:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fe-apac-06.sun.com (fe-apac-06.sun.com [192.18.19.177] (may be forged)) by sineb-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m4D2QmeQ011297 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 02:26:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-apac.sun.com by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0K0S00201C17RO00@mail-apac.sun.com> (original mail from Irene.Huang@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@Sun.Com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.Com); Tue, 13 May 2008 10:25:21 +0800 (SGT) Received: from [129.158.217.138] by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0K0S009CRC288GOA@mail-apac.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@Sun.Com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.Com); Tue, 13 May 2008 10:25:21 +0800 (SGT) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 10:26:40 +0800 From: Irene Huang Subject: Re: PSARC/2008/315 - autogen and guile In-reply-to: <4828CEF2.5010608@sun.com> Sender: Irene.Huang@sun.com To: John.Fischer@sun.com Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, Steve.Xue@sun.com, Halton Huo Message-id: <1210645600.11044.5.camel@goalie> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.2 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <4828CB3E.8050608@sun.com> <4828CEF2.5010608@sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 4721 Hi, all Adding Halton Huo to the thread since he'd like to comment. Halton, now you can comment by replying this email so that everyone can see :). --Irene On Mon, 2008-05-12 at 16:12 -0700, John Fischer wrote: > All, > > I attached the wrong proposal document for the email notification. > The correct proposal is attached. > > Sorry about the confusion, > > John > > > John Fischer wrote: > > PSARC, > > > > I am sponsoring this fast track for Steve Xue of the Core > > technologies team in Beijing. The case directory contains > > this proposal and the autogen and guile man pages. > > > > The project is integrating autogen and guile into a Minor release > > of Solaris. Autogen is a tool designed to simplify the creation > > and maintenance of programs that contain large amounts of repetitious > > text. Guile is a library designed to help programmers create flexible > > applications. The interfaces are declared Uncommitted with the > > exception of two directories within /usr/share which are declared > > Project Private. > > > > Thanks, > > > > John > > > plain text document attachment (proposal.txt) > Summary > ======= > Autogen[1] is a tool designed to simplify the creation and maintenance of > programs that contain large amounts of repetitious text. > > It is especially valuable in programs that have several blocks of text that > must be kept synchronized. > > This utility can also be called a code generator, which are programs that > automatically generate high level code (e.g. C, C++, C#, Java, Perl, Python, > Ruby, etc.). These tools range in size and complexity from simple code > parsers to fully featured class and tier builders. > > Because the implementation of Autogen used guile[2](GNU's extension > language) and guile is not available now in SFW consolidation, so we decide > to merge guile porting work together into this case. > > Guile[2] is a library designed to help programmers create flexible > applications. Using Guile in an application allows programmers to write > plug-ins or modules so the application fit their needs. > > Autogen-5.9 will be integrated into the SFW consolidation as part of this > proposal, and will be installed as SUNWautogen. > > Guile-1.8.4 will be integrated into the SFW consolidation as part of this > proposal, and will be installed as SUNWguile > > This project requests a minor release binding. > > > Dependencies > ============ > > libltdl ltdl - GNU libtool dlopen wrapper PSARC/2007/557 > libgmp GNU Multiple Precision Arithmetic Library PSARC/2008/166 > > > Interfaces > ========== > > (1) Guile related: > > Exported Interfaces Classification Comment > ------------------- -------------- ------- > SUNWguile Uncommitted Package > /usr/bin/guile Uncommitted Command > /usr/bin/guile-snarf Uncommitted Command > /usr/bin/guile-confi Uncommitted Command > /usr/bin/guile-tools Uncommitted Command > > /usr/lib/libguile.so Uncommitted Guile library symbol link > /usr/lib/libguile.so.17.1.2 Uncommitted guile library > > /usr/share/guile/ Project Private Scheme scripts > > /usr/include/libguile.h Uncommitted Header files > /usr/include/libguile Uncommitted Header files > /usr/include/guile/ Uncommitted Header files > > Imported Interfaces Classification Comment > ------------------- -------------- ------- > /usr/lib/libltdl.so Uncommitted PSARC/2007/557 > /usr/lib/libgmp.so Committed PSARC/2008/166 > > (2) Autogen related: > > Exported Interfaces Classification Comment > ------------------- -------------- ------- > SUNWautogen Uncommitted Package > /usr/bin/autogen Uncommitted Command > /usr/bin/autoopts-config Uncommitted Command > /usr/bin/columns Uncommitted Command > /usr/bin/getdefs Uncommitted Command > /usr/bin/xml2ag Uncommitted Command > > /usr/lib/libguileopts.so Uncommitted Libguileopts library symbol > link > /usr/lib/libguileopts.so.0.0.1 > Uncommitted Libguileopts library > > /usr/share/autogen/ Project Private TPL scripts > > /usr/lib/libopts.so.25.3.0 > Uncommitted Library used by libguileopts.so and autogen > > /usr/include/auotopts/ Uncommitted Header files > > Imported Interfaces Classification Comment > ------------------- -------------- ------- > /usr/lib/libguile.so Uncommitted Guile library symbol link > > > Reference Documents > =================== > [1] http://www.gnu.org/software/autogen/ > [2] http://www.gnu.org/software/guile/ > > RFE ID# 6672584 for autogen > RFE ID# 6672583 for guile > From Halton.Huo@sun.com Mon May 12 19:35:31 2008 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m4D2ZU26002393 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 19:35:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m4D2ZMaT007731 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 13 May 2008 03:35:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K0S00G0JCJ3SC00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.Com); Mon, 12 May 2008 19:35:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sineb-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.19.7]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K0S003W3CJ2S180@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.Com); Mon, 12 May 2008 19:35:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-apac-06.sun.com (fe-apac-06.sun.com [192.18.19.177] (may be forged)) by sineb-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m4D2a8fI013377 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 02:36:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-apac.sun.com by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0K0S00401C53H900@mail-apac.sun.com> (original mail from Halton.Huo@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@Sun.Com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.Com); Tue, 13 May 2008 10:34:17 +0800 (SGT) Received: from [129.158.217.65] by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0K0S009QTCGQ8AI3@mail-apac.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@Sun.Com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.Com); Tue, 13 May 2008 10:34:03 +0800 (SGT) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 10:40:56 +0800 From: Halton Huo Subject: Re: PSARC/2008/315 - autogen and guile In-reply-to: <1210645600.11044.5.camel@goalie> Sender: Halton.Huo@sun.com To: Irene Huang Cc: John.Fischer@sun.com, PSARC-ext@sun.com, Steve.Xue@sun.com Message-id: <1210646456.1487.24.camel@judo> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.1.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <4828CB3E.8050608@sun.com> <4828CEF2.5010608@sun.com> <1210645600.11044.5.camel@goalie> Status: RO Content-Length: 5306 Give a review on this fast track, comments: 1. typo /usr/bin/guile-confi should be /usr/bin/guile-config 2. no man pages for SUNWguile community do not have, only have info 3. no man pages for SUNWautogen community have -Halton. On Tue, 2008-05-13 at 10:26 +0800, Irene Huang wrote: > Hi, all > > Adding Halton Huo to the thread since he'd like to comment. > Halton, now you can comment by replying this email so that everyone can > see :). > > --Irene > On Mon, 2008-05-12 at 16:12 -0700, John Fischer wrote: > > All, > > > > I attached the wrong proposal document for the email notification. > > The correct proposal is attached. > > > > Sorry about the confusion, > > > > John > > > > > > John Fischer wrote: > > > PSARC, > > > > > > I am sponsoring this fast track for Steve Xue of the Core > > > technologies team in Beijing. The case directory contains > > > this proposal and the autogen and guile man pages. > > > > > > The project is integrating autogen and guile into a Minor release > > > of Solaris. Autogen is a tool designed to simplify the creation > > > and maintenance of programs that contain large amounts of repetitious > > > text. Guile is a library designed to help programmers create flexible > > > applications. The interfaces are declared Uncommitted with the > > > exception of two directories within /usr/share which are declared > > > Project Private. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > John > > > > > plain text document attachment (proposal.txt) > > Summary > > ======= > > Autogen[1] is a tool designed to simplify the creation and maintenance of > > programs that contain large amounts of repetitious text. > > > > It is especially valuable in programs that have several blocks of text that > > must be kept synchronized. > > > > This utility can also be called a code generator, which are programs that > > automatically generate high level code (e.g. C, C++, C#, Java, Perl, Python, > > Ruby, etc.). These tools range in size and complexity from simple code > > parsers to fully featured class and tier builders. > > > > Because the implementation of Autogen used guile[2](GNU's extension > > language) and guile is not available now in SFW consolidation, so we decide > > to merge guile porting work together into this case. > > > > Guile[2] is a library designed to help programmers create flexible > > applications. Using Guile in an application allows programmers to write > > plug-ins or modules so the application fit their needs. > > > > Autogen-5.9 will be integrated into the SFW consolidation as part of this > > proposal, and will be installed as SUNWautogen. > > > > Guile-1.8.4 will be integrated into the SFW consolidation as part of this > > proposal, and will be installed as SUNWguile > > > > This project requests a minor release binding. > > > > > > Dependencies > > ============ > > > > libltdl ltdl - GNU libtool dlopen wrapper PSARC/2007/557 > > libgmp GNU Multiple Precision Arithmetic Library PSARC/2008/166 > > > > > > Interfaces > > ========== > > > > (1) Guile related: > > > > Exported Interfaces Classification Comment > > ------------------- -------------- ------- > > SUNWguile Uncommitted Package > > /usr/bin/guile Uncommitted Command > > /usr/bin/guile-snarf Uncommitted Command > > /usr/bin/guile-confi Uncommitted Command > > /usr/bin/guile-tools Uncommitted Command > > > > /usr/lib/libguile.so Uncommitted Guile library symbol link > > /usr/lib/libguile.so.17.1.2 Uncommitted guile library > > > > /usr/share/guile/ Project Private Scheme scripts > > > > /usr/include/libguile.h Uncommitted Header files > > /usr/include/libguile Uncommitted Header files > > /usr/include/guile/ Uncommitted Header files > > > > Imported Interfaces Classification Comment > > ------------------- -------------- ------- > > /usr/lib/libltdl.so Uncommitted PSARC/2007/557 > > /usr/lib/libgmp.so Committed PSARC/2008/166 > > > > (2) Autogen related: > > > > Exported Interfaces Classification Comment > > ------------------- -------------- ------- > > SUNWautogen Uncommitted Package > > /usr/bin/autogen Uncommitted Command > > /usr/bin/autoopts-config Uncommitted Command > > /usr/bin/columns Uncommitted Command > > /usr/bin/getdefs Uncommitted Command > > /usr/bin/xml2ag Uncommitted Command > > > > /usr/lib/libguileopts.so Uncommitted Libguileopts library symbol > > link > > /usr/lib/libguileopts.so.0.0.1 > > Uncommitted Libguileopts library > > > > /usr/share/autogen/ Project Private TPL scripts > > > > /usr/lib/libopts.so.25.3.0 > > Uncommitted Library used by libguileopts.so and autogen > > > > /usr/include/auotopts/ Uncommitted Header files > > > > Imported Interfaces Classification Comment > > ------------------- -------------- ------- > > /usr/lib/libguile.so Uncommitted Guile library symbol link > > > > > > Reference Documents > > =================== > > [1] http://www.gnu.org/software/autogen/ > > [2] http://www.gnu.org/software/guile/ > > > > RFE ID# 6672584 for autogen > > RFE ID# 6672583 for guile > > > From Steve.Xue@sun.com Mon May 12 20:05:21 2008 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m4D35JPa002897 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 20:05:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m4D35D1w009469 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 13 May 2008 11:05:18 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K0S00C05DWQE400@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Mon, 12 May 2008 20:05:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sineb-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.19.7]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K0S00LSXDWOH7C0@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Mon, 12 May 2008 20:05:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-apac-05.sun.com (fe-apac-05.sun.com [192.18.19.176] (may be forged)) by sineb-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m4D35s99015761 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 03:05:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-apac.sun.com by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0K0S00901DVEQV00@mail-apac.sun.com> (original mail from Steve.Xue@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 13 May 2008 11:04:58 +0800 (SGT) Received: from [129.158.218.29] by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0K0S00MSIDW99MI5@mail-apac.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 13 May 2008 11:04:58 +0800 (SGT) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 11:04:32 +0800 From: steve xue Subject: Re: PSARC/2008/315 - autogen and guile In-reply-to: <1210646456.1487.24.camel@judo> Sender: Steve.Xue@sun.com To: Halton Huo Cc: Irene Huang , John.Fischer@sun.com, PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <48290540.6050400@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Mx/a8U3uyQEjGTc1ffK5ZQ)" X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <4828CB3E.8050608@sun.com> <4828CEF2.5010608@sun.com> <1210645600.11044.5.camel@goalie> <1210646456.1487.24.camel@judo> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071119) Status: RO Content-Length: 36244 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_Mx/a8U3uyQEjGTc1ffK5ZQ) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Halton Huo wrote: > Give a review on this fast track, comments: > > 1. typo > /usr/bin/guile-confi should be /usr/bin/guile-config > 2. no man pages for SUNWguile > community do not have, only have info > 3. no man pages for SUNWautogen > community have > > - Thanks Halton! I re-sent my materials in this mail, man pages are attached. --Boundary_(ID_Mx/a8U3uyQEjGTc1ffK5ZQ) Content-type: text/plain; name=autogen_fasttrack.txt Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline; filename=autogen_fasttrack.txt Summary ======= Autogen[1] is a tool designed to simplify the creation and maintenance of programs that contain large amounts of repetitious text. It is especially valuable in programs that have several blocks of text that must be kept synchronized. This utility can also be called a code generator, which are programs that automatically generate high level code (e.g. C, C++, C#, Java, Perl, Python, Ruby, etc.). These tools range in size and complexity from simple code parsers to fully featured class and tier builders. AutoOpts is bundled with AutoGen. It is a tool that virtually eliminates the hassle of processing options and keeping man pages, info docs and usage text up to date. This package allows you to specify several program attributes, up to a hundred option types and many option attributes. From this, it then produces all the code necessary to parse and handle the command line and configuration file options, and the documentation that should go with your program as well. AutoGen/AutoOpts is a two-part project that serves two separate purposes and are inextricably intertwined. Because the implementation of Autogen used guile[2](GNU's extension language) and guile is not available now in SFW consolidation, so we decide to merge guile porting work together into this case. Guile[2] is a library designed to help programmers create flexible applications. Using Guile in an application allows programmers to write plug-ins or modules so the application fit their needs. Autogen-5.9 will be integrated into the SFW consolidation as part of this proposal, and will be installed as SUNWautogen. Guile-1.8.4 will be integrated into the SFW consolidation as part of this proposal, and will be installed as SUNWguile This project requests a minor release binding. 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DESCRIPTION Using Guile in an application allows programmers to write plug-ins, or modules (there are many names, but the concept is essentially the same) and users to use them to have an application fit their needs. For additional information on using guile, see the Info for- mat documentation by running the following command from your shell: /usr/sfw/bin/info guile guile is provided for developers who are working on software that has already adopted it. However, it is not recom- mended that guile be used when developing new software pro- jects. ATTRIBUTES See attributes(5) for descriptions of the following attri- butes: _______________________________________ | ATTRIBUTE TYPE | ATTRIBUTE VALUE| |_______________________________________ | Availability | SUNWguile | |_______________________________________ | Interface Stability| Uncommitted | |____________________|_________________| NOTES Source for guile is available on http://opensolaris.org. SunOS 5.10 Last change: 08 Mar 2008 1 --Boundary_(ID_Mx/a8U3uyQEjGTc1ffK5ZQ)-- From jek3@sun.com Mon May 12 20:08:09 2008 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m4D388UU002918 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 20:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m4D384D2019723; Tue, 13 May 2008 04:08:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K0S00C05E1GPD00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Mon, 12 May 2008 20:08:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.17.59]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K0S00L04E1GH4F0@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Mon, 12 May 2008 20:08:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [129.150.13.200] (vpn-129-150-13-200.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.150.13.200]) by jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com (8.14.2+Sun/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4D3839w574590; Mon, 12 May 2008 20:08:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 17:09:34 -1000 From: Joseph Kowalski Subject: Re: PSARC/2008/315 - autogen and guile In-reply-to: <1210646456.1487.24.camel@judo> To: Halton Huo Cc: Irene Huang , John.Fischer@sun.com, PSARC-ext@sun.com, Steve.Xue@sun.com Message-id: <4829066E.7020901@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <4828CB3E.8050608@sun.com> <4828CEF2.5010608@sun.com> <1210645600.11044.5.camel@goalie> <1210646456.1487.24.camel@judo> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20080225) Status: RO Content-Length: 313 Halton Huo wrote: > 2. no man pages for SUNWguile > community do not have, only have info > 3. no man pages for SUNWautogen > community have > Good catch. I would expect there to be "vestigial" man pages as per our FOSS integration process. Project team: Is this a reasonable expectation? - jek3 From Halton.Huo@sun.com Mon May 12 21:11:43 2008 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m4D4BhiE004106 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 21:11:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m4D4BgjS022708 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Mon, 12 May 2008 21:11:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K0S00K01GZJ6L00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Mon, 12 May 2008 21:11:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sineb-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.19.6]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K0S00HLJGZIWC20@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Mon, 12 May 2008 21:11:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-apac-05.sun.com (fe-apac-05.sun.com [192.18.19.176] (may be forged)) by sineb-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m4D4C0pl019528 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 04:12:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-apac.sun.com by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0K0S00401GUMT400@mail-apac.sun.com> (original mail from Halton.Huo@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 13 May 2008 12:11:27 +0800 (SGT) Received: from [129.158.217.65] by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0K0S00MFFGZ29MQ5@mail-apac.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 13 May 2008 12:11:27 +0800 (SGT) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 12:17:24 +0800 From: Halton Huo Subject: Re: PSARC/2008/315 - autogen and guile In-reply-to: <48290540.6050400@sun.com> Sender: Halton.Huo@sun.com To: steve xue Cc: Irene Huang , John.Fischer@sun.com, PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <1210652244.4506.12.camel@judo> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.1.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <4828CB3E.8050608@sun.com> <4828CEF2.5010608@sun.com> <1210645600.11044.5.camel@goalie> <1210646456.1487.24.camel@judo> <48290540.6050400@sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 7797 Hi Steve, AFAIK, binaries under /usr/bin should have man pages. For autogen, man pages are okay. For guile, Only found man page for guile, how about other three: guile-snarf, guile-config, guile-tools? And need these man page files listed in the "Exported Interfaces" form? When I build guile 1.8.5, I got four more files /usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so /usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so.17 /usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so.17.0.3 /usr/lib/pkgconfig/guile-1.8.pc Do you remove them in purpose? -Halton. On Tue, 2008-05-13 at 11:04 +0800, steve xue wrote: > Halton Huo wrote: > > Give a review on this fast track, comments: > > > > 1. typo > > /usr/bin/guile-confi should be /usr/bin/guile-config > > 2. no man pages for SUNWguile > > community do not have, only have info > > 3. no man pages for SUNWautogen > > community have > > > > - > Thanks Halton! > > I re-sent my materials in this mail, man pages are attached. > plain text document attachment (autogen_fasttrack.txt) > Summary > ======= > Autogen[1] is a tool designed to simplify the creation and maintenance of > programs that contain large amounts of repetitious text. It is especially > valuable in programs that have several blocks of text that must be kept > synchronized. > > This utility can also be called a code generator, which are programs that > automatically generate high level code (e.g. C, C++, C#, Java, Perl, Python, > Ruby, etc.). These tools range in size and complexity from simple code > parsers to fully featured class and tier builders. > > AutoOpts is bundled with AutoGen. It is a tool that virtually eliminates > the hassle of processing options and keeping man pages, info docs and usage > text up to date. This package allows you to specify several program attributes, > up to a hundred option types and many option attributes. From this, > it then produces all the code necessary to parse and handle the command line > and configuration file options, and the documentation that should go with > your program as well. > > AutoGen/AutoOpts is a two-part project that serves two separate purposes > and are inextricably intertwined. > > Because the implementation of Autogen used guile[2](GNU's extension > language) and guile is not available now in SFW consolidation, so we decide > to merge guile porting work together into this case. > > Guile[2] is a library designed to help programmers create flexible > applications. Using Guile in an application allows programmers to write > plug-ins or modules so the application fit their needs. > > Autogen-5.9 will be integrated into the SFW consolidation as part of this > proposal, and will be installed as SUNWautogen. > > Guile-1.8.4 will be integrated into the SFW consolidation as part of this > proposal, and will be installed as SUNWguile > > This project requests a minor release binding. > > > Dependencies > ============ > > libltdl ltdl - GNU libtool dlopen wrapper PSARC/2007/557 > libgmp GNU Multiple Precision Arithmetic Library PSARC/2008/166 > > > Interfaces > ========== > > (1) Guile related: > > Exported Interfaces Classification Comment > ------------------- -------------- ------- > SUNWguile Uncommitted Package > /usr/bin/guile Uncommitted Command > /usr/bin/guile-snarf Uncommitted Command > /usr/bin/guile-config Uncommitted Command > /usr/bin/guile-tools Uncommitted Command > > /usr/lib/libguile.so Uncommitted Guile library symbol link > /usr/lib/libguile.so.17.1.2 Uncommitted Guile library > > /usr/lib/libguile-srfi-srfi-1-v-3.so.3.0.1 > Uncommitted Guile srfi 1 implementation library > /usr/lib/libguile-srfi-srfi-1-v-3.so > Uncommitted symbol link to > Guile srfi 1 implementation library > > /usr/lib/libguile-srfi-srfi-4-v-3.so.3.0.1 > Uncommitted Guile srfi 4 implementation library > /usr/lib/libguile-srfi-srfi-4-v-3.so > Uncommitted symbol link to > Guile srfi 4 implementation library > > /usr/lib/libguile-srfi-srfi-13-14-v-3.so.3.0.1 > Uncommitted Guile srfi 13 and 14 implementation library > /usr/lib/libguile-srfi-srfi-13-14-v-3.so > Uncommitted symbol link to > Guile srfi 13 and 14 implementation library > > /usr/lib/libguile-srfi-srfi-60-v-2.so.2.0.2 > Uncommitted Guile srfi 60 implementation library > /usr/lib/libguile-srfi-srfi-60-v-2.so > Uncommitted symbol link to > Guile srfi 60 implementation library > > /usr/share/guile/ Project Private Scheme modules > > /usr/include/libguile.h Uncommitted Header files > /usr/include/libguile Uncommitted Header files > /usr/include/guile/ Uncommitted Header files > > Imported Interfaces Classification Comment > ------------------- -------------- ------- > /usr/lib/libltdl.so Uncommitted PSARC/2007/557 > /usr/lib/libgmp.so Committed PSARC/2008/166 > > (2) Autogen related: > > Exported Interfaces Classification Comment > ------------------- -------------- ------- > SUNWautogen Uncommitted Package > /usr/bin/autogen Uncommitted Command > /usr/bin/autoopts-config Uncommitted Command > /usr/bin/columns Uncommitted Command > /usr/bin/getdefs Uncommitted Command > /usr/bin/xml2ag Uncommitted Command > > /usr/lib/libguileopts.so Uncommitted Libguileopts library symbol > link > /usr/lib/libguileopts.so.0.0.1 > Uncommitted Libguileopts library > > /usr/share/autogen/ Uncommitted Templates can be used as autogen command arguments > > /usr/lib/libopts.so.25.3.0 > Uncommitted Library used by libguileopts.so and autogen > > /usr/include/autoopts/ Uncommitted Header files > > Imported Interfaces Classification Comment > ------------------- -------------- ------- > /usr/lib/libguile.so Uncommitted Guile library symbol link > > > Reference Documents > =================== > [1] http://www.gnu.org/software/autogen/ > [2] http://www.gnu.org/software/guile/ > > RFE ID# 6672584 for autogen > RFE ID# 6672583 for guile > plain text document attachment (guile.1.txt) > > > User Commands guile(1) > > > > NAME > guile - a library designed to help programmers create flexi- > ble applications > > SYNOPSIS > /usr/bin/guile [OPTION]... > > DESCRIPTION > Using Guile in an application allows programmers to write > plug-ins, or modules (there are many names, but the concept > is essentially the same) and users to use them to have an > application fit their needs. > > For additional information on using guile, see the Info for- > mat documentation by running the following command from your > shell: > /usr/sfw/bin/info guile > > guile is provided for developers who are working on software > that has already adopted it. However, it is not recom- > mended that guile be used when developing new software pro- > jects. > > ATTRIBUTES > See attributes(5) for descriptions of the following attri- > butes: > > _______________________________________ > | ATTRIBUTE TYPE | ATTRIBUTE VALUE| > |_______________________________________ > | Availability | SUNWguile | > |_______________________________________ > | Interface Stability| Uncommitted | > |____________________|_________________| > > NOTES > Source for guile is available on http://opensolaris.org. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SunOS 5.10 Last change: 08 Mar 2008 1 > > > From John.Plocher@Sun.COM Mon May 12 21:23:00 2008 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m4D4Mxmc004540 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 21:22:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m4D4Mxo6002833 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Mon, 12 May 2008 21:22:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K0S00L03HIAHI00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Mon, 12 May 2008 21:22:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.43.132]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K0S00HSBHI9WA40@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Mon, 12 May 2008 21:22:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m4D4MvLD011354 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 21:22:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K0S00101HGGX400@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> (original mail from John.Plocher@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Mon, 12 May 2008 21:22:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wp668.local ([208.74.177.212]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K0S00BQ0HI74A40@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com>; Mon, 12 May 2008 21:22:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:22:55 -0700 From: John Plocher Subject: Re: PSARC/2008/315 - autogen and guile In-reply-to: <4829066E.7020901@sun.com> Sender: John.Plocher@Sun.COM To: Joseph Kowalski Cc: Halton Huo , John.Fischer@Sun.COM, PSARC-ext@Sun.COM, Irene Huang , Steve.Xue@Sun.COM Message-id: <4829179F.30507@Sun.Com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <4828CB3E.8050608@sun.com> <4828CEF2.5010608@sun.com> <1210645600.11044.5.camel@goalie> <1210646456.1487.24.camel@judo> <4829066E.7020901@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) Status: RO Content-Length: 688 Joseph Kowalski wrote: > Halton Huo wrote: >> 2. no man pages for SUNWguile >> community do not have, only have info >> 3. no man pages for SUNWautogen >> community have >> > Good catch. > > I would expect there to be "vestigial" man pages as per our FOSS > integration process. Without "vestigial man pages", does this imply: Can't go into SFW (but might go into the Companion CD/Experimental repo)? Can't go into a Minor release of SFW? We need to change the rules for what goes into SFW? Case gets rejected/deraile/TCR's to make work creating man pages? Case gets told to go fetch an "info to man converter" rock? ...? -John From Steve.Xue@sun.com Mon May 12 21:44:48 2008 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m4D4imcG004739 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 21:44:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m4D4imp8033381 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Mon, 12 May 2008 22:44:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K0S00I03IIOUM00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Mon, 12 May 2008 22:44:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sineb-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.19.6]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K0S005Q3IIMJSC0@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Mon, 12 May 2008 22:44:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fe-apac-05.sun.com (fe-apac-05.sun.com [192.18.19.176] (may be forged)) by sineb-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m4D4j3RU022088 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 04:45:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-apac.sun.com by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0K0S00301ICGN500@mail-apac.sun.com> (original mail from Steve.Xue@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 13 May 2008 12:44:31 +0800 (SGT) Received: from [129.158.218.29] by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0K0S00MA5II69MT5@mail-apac.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 13 May 2008 12:44:31 +0800 (SGT) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 12:44:05 +0800 From: steve xue Subject: Re: PSARC/2008/315 - autogen and guile In-reply-to: <1210652244.4506.12.camel@judo> Sender: Steve.Xue@sun.com To: Halton Huo Cc: Irene Huang , John.Fischer@sun.com, PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <48291C95.5000202@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_qSKj9A/79jR5NjErY0aTmg)" X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <4828CB3E.8050608@sun.com> <4828CEF2.5010608@sun.com> <1210645600.11044.5.camel@goalie> <1210646456.1487.24.camel@judo> <48290540.6050400@sun.com> <1210652244.4506.12.camel@judo> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071119) Status: RO Content-Length: 20997 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_qSKj9A/79jR5NjErY0aTmg) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Halton Huo wrote: > Hi Steve, > > AFAIK, binaries under /usr/bin should have man pages. For autogen, man > pages are okay. For guile, Only found man page for guile, how about > other three: guile-snarf, guile-config, guile-tools? > Following is the 3 commands output: [root@steve-xue scripts] > guile-config Usage: guile-config --version - show installed script and Guile version guile-config --help - show usage info (this message) guile-config --help SUBCOMMAND - show help for SUBCOMMAND guile-config link - print libraries to link with guile-config compile - print C compiler flags to compile with guile-config info [VAR] - print Guile build directories [root@steve-xue scripts] > guile-tools api-diff lint scan-api autofrisk PROGRAM snarf-check-and-output-texi display-commentary punify snarf-guile-m4-docs doc-snarf read-rfc822 summarize-guile-TODO frisk read-scheme-source use2dot generate-autoload read-text-outline [root@steve-xue scripts] > guile-snarf /* cpp arguments: */ gcc: no input files Maybe we need man pages for 'guile-tools' and 'guile-snarf', guile-config's function is very obvious > And need these man page files listed in the "Exported Interfaces" form? > > When I build guile 1.8.5, I got four more files > /usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so > /usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so.17 > /usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so.17.0.3 > /usr/lib/pkgconfig/guile-1.8.pc > > Do you remove them in purpose? > For the readline* , they are all symbol link, because currently Solaris do not have any static readline library shipped I think I should remove these symboe links. For /usr/lib/pkgconfig/guile-1.8.pc I didn't see it in 1.8.4, I am not sure if it can only be gotten from 1.8.5:) > -Halton. > > On Tue, 2008-05-13 at 11:04 +0800, steve xue wrote: > >> Halton Huo wrote: >> >>> Give a review on this fast track, comments: >>> >>> 1. typo >>> /usr/bin/guile-confi should be /usr/bin/guile-config >>> 2. no man pages for SUNWguile >>> community do not have, only have info >>> 3. no man pages for SUNWautogen >>> community have >>> >>> - >>> >> Thanks Halton! >> >> I re-sent my materials in this mail, man pages are attached. >> plain text document attachment (autogen_fasttrack.txt) >> Summary >> ======= >> Autogen[1] is a tool designed to simplify the creation and maintenance of >> programs that contain large amounts of repetitious text. It is especially >> valuable in programs that have several blocks of text that must be kept >> synchronized. >> >> This utility can also be called a code generator, which are programs that >> automatically generate high level code (e.g. C, C++, C#, Java, Perl, Python, >> Ruby, etc.). These tools range in size and complexity from simple code >> parsers to fully featured class and tier builders. >> >> AutoOpts is bundled with AutoGen. It is a tool that virtually eliminates >> the hassle of processing options and keeping man pages, info docs and usage >> text up to date. This package allows you to specify several program attributes, >> up to a hundred option types and many option attributes. From this, >> it then produces all the code necessary to parse and handle the command line >> and configuration file options, and the documentation that should go with >> your program as well. >> >> AutoGen/AutoOpts is a two-part project that serves two separate purposes >> and are inextricably intertwined. >> >> Because the implementation of Autogen used guile[2](GNU's extension >> language) and guile is not available now in SFW consolidation, so we decide >> to merge guile porting work together into this case. >> >> Guile[2] is a library designed to help programmers create flexible >> applications. Using Guile in an application allows programmers to write >> plug-ins or modules so the application fit their needs. >> >> Autogen-5.9 will be integrated into the SFW consolidation as part of this >> proposal, and will be installed as SUNWautogen. >> >> Guile-1.8.4 will be integrated into the SFW consolidation as part of this >> proposal, and will be installed as SUNWguile >> >> This project requests a minor release binding. >> >> >> Dependencies >> ============ >> >> libltdl ltdl - GNU libtool dlopen wrapper PSARC/2007/557 >> libgmp GNU Multiple Precision Arithmetic Library PSARC/2008/166 >> >> >> Interfaces >> ========== >> >> (1) Guile related: >> >> Exported Interfaces Classification Comment >> ------------------- -------------- ------- >> SUNWguile Uncommitted Package >> /usr/bin/guile Uncommitted Command >> /usr/bin/guile-snarf Uncommitted Command >> /usr/bin/guile-config Uncommitted Command >> /usr/bin/guile-tools Uncommitted Command >> >> /usr/lib/libguile.so Uncommitted Guile library symbol link >> /usr/lib/libguile.so.17.1.2 Uncommitted Guile library >> >> /usr/lib/libguile-srfi-srfi-1-v-3.so.3.0.1 >> Uncommitted Guile srfi 1 implementation library >> /usr/lib/libguile-srfi-srfi-1-v-3.so >> Uncommitted symbol link to >> Guile srfi 1 implementation library >> >> /usr/lib/libguile-srfi-srfi-4-v-3.so.3.0.1 >> Uncommitted Guile srfi 4 implementation library >> /usr/lib/libguile-srfi-srfi-4-v-3.so >> Uncommitted symbol link to >> Guile srfi 4 implementation library >> >> /usr/lib/libguile-srfi-srfi-13-14-v-3.so.3.0.1 >> Uncommitted Guile srfi 13 and 14 implementation library >> /usr/lib/libguile-srfi-srfi-13-14-v-3.so >> Uncommitted symbol link to >> Guile srfi 13 and 14 implementation library >> >> /usr/lib/libguile-srfi-srfi-60-v-2.so.2.0.2 >> Uncommitted Guile srfi 60 implementation library >> /usr/lib/libguile-srfi-srfi-60-v-2.so >> Uncommitted symbol link to >> Guile srfi 60 implementation library >> >> /usr/share/guile/ Project Private Scheme modules >> >> /usr/include/libguile.h Uncommitted Header files >> /usr/include/libguile Uncommitted Header files >> /usr/include/guile/ Uncommitted Header files >> >> Imported Interfaces Classification Comment >> ------------------- -------------- ------- >> /usr/lib/libltdl.so Uncommitted PSARC/2007/557 >> /usr/lib/libgmp.so Committed PSARC/2008/166 >> >> (2) Autogen related: >> >> Exported Interfaces Classification Comment >> ------------------- -------------- ------- >> SUNWautogen Uncommitted Package >> /usr/bin/autogen Uncommitted Command >> /usr/bin/autoopts-config Uncommitted Command >> /usr/bin/columns Uncommitted Command >> /usr/bin/getdefs Uncommitted Command >> /usr/bin/xml2ag Uncommitted Command >> >> /usr/lib/libguileopts.so Uncommitted Libguileopts library symbol >> link >> /usr/lib/libguileopts.so.0.0.1 >> Uncommitted Libguileopts library >> >> /usr/share/autogen/ Uncommitted Templates can be used as autogen command arguments >> >> /usr/lib/libopts.so.25.3.0 >> Uncommitted Library used by libguileopts.so and autogen >> >> /usr/include/autoopts/ Uncommitted Header files >> >> Imported Interfaces Classification Comment >> ------------------- -------------- ------- >> /usr/lib/libguile.so Uncommitted Guile library symbol link >> >> >> Reference Documents >> =================== >> [1] http://www.gnu.org/software/autogen/ >> [2] http://www.gnu.org/software/guile/ >> >> RFE ID# 6672584 for autogen >> RFE ID# 6672583 for guile >> plain text document attachment (guile.1.txt) >> >> >> User Commands guile(1) >> >> >> >> NAME >> guile - a library designed to help programmers create flexi- >> ble applications >> >> SYNOPSIS >> /usr/bin/guile [OPTION]... >> >> DESCRIPTION >> Using Guile in an application allows programmers to write >> plug-ins, or modules (there are many names, but the concept >> is essentially the same) and users to use them to have an >> application fit their needs. >> >> For additional information on using guile, see the Info for- >> mat documentation by running the following command from your >> shell: >> /usr/sfw/bin/info guile >> >> guile is provided for developers who are working on software >> that has already adopted it. However, it is not recom- >> mended that guile be used when developing new software pro- >> jects. >> >> ATTRIBUTES >> See attributes(5) for descriptions of the following attri- >> butes: >> >> _______________________________________ >> | ATTRIBUTE TYPE | ATTRIBUTE VALUE| >> |_______________________________________ >> | Availability | SUNWguile | >> |_______________________________________ >> | Interface Stability| Uncommitted | >> |____________________|_________________| >> >> NOTES >> Source for guile is available on http://opensolaris.org. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> SunOS 5.10 Last change: 08 Mar 2008 1 >> >> >> >> > > --Boundary_(ID_qSKj9A/79jR5NjErY0aTmg) Content-type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Halton Huo wrote: 
Hi Steve,

AFAIK, binaries under /usr/bin should have man pages. For autogen, man
pages are okay. For guile, Only found man page for guile, how about
other three: guile-snarf, guile-config, guile-tools?
Following is the 3 commands output:

[root@steve-xue scripts] > guile-config
Usage:
  guile-config --version   - show installed script and Guile version
  guile-config --help      - show usage info (this message)
  guile-config --help SUBCOMMAND - show help for SUBCOMMAND
  guile-config link        - print libraries to link with
  guile-config compile     - print C compiler flags to compile with
  guile-config info [VAR]  - print Guile build directories
[root@steve-xue scripts] > guile-tools
api-diff                     lint                         scan-api
autofrisk                    PROGRAM                      snarf-check-and-output-texi
display-commentary           punify                       snarf-guile-m4-docs
doc-snarf                    read-rfc822                  summarize-guile-TODO
frisk                        read-scheme-source           use2dot
generate-autoload            read-text-outline
[root@steve-xue scripts] > guile-snarf
/* cpp arguments:  */
gcc: no input files

Maybe we need man pages for 'guile-tools' and 'guile-snarf', guile-config's function is very obvious
And need these man page files listed in the "Exported Interfaces" form?

When I build guile 1.8.5, I got four more files
/usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so
/usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so.17
/usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so.17.0.3
/usr/lib/pkgconfig/guile-1.8.pc

Do you remove them in purpose?
For the readline* , they are all symbol link, because currently Solaris do not have any static readline library shipped
I think I should remove these symboe links.

For 
/usr/lib/pkgconfig/guile-1.8.pc
I didn't see it in 1.8.4, I am not sure if it can only be gotten from 1.8.5:)


-Halton.

On Tue, 2008-05-13 at 11:04 +0800, steve xue wrote:
  
Halton Huo wrote:
    
Give a review on this fast track, comments:

1. typo
  /usr/bin/guile-confi should be /usr/bin/guile-config
2. no man pages for SUNWguile
   community do not have, only have info
3. no man pages for SUNWautogen
   community have

-
      
Thanks Halton!

I re-sent my materials in this mail, man pages are attached.
plain text document attachment (autogen_fasttrack.txt)
Summary
=======
   Autogen[1] is a tool designed to simplify the creation and maintenance of
   programs that contain large amounts of repetitious text. It is especially
   valuable in programs that have several blocks of text that must be kept
   synchronized.

   This utility can also be called a code generator, which are programs that
   automatically generate high level code (e.g. C, C++, C#, Java, Perl, Python,
   Ruby, etc.).  These tools range in size and complexity from simple code
   parsers to fully featured class and tier builders. 

   AutoOpts is bundled with AutoGen. It is a tool that virtually eliminates 
   the hassle of processing options and keeping man pages, info docs and usage 
   text up to date. This package allows you to specify several program attributes,
   up to a hundred option types and many option attributes. From this, 
   it then produces all the code necessary to parse and handle the command line 
   and configuration file options, and the documentation that should go with 
   your program as well.
 
   AutoGen/AutoOpts is a two-part project that serves two separate purposes
   and are inextricably intertwined.

   Because the implementation of Autogen used guile[2](GNU's extension
   language) and guile is not available now in SFW consolidation, so we decide
   to merge guile porting work together into this case.

   Guile[2] is a library designed to help programmers create flexible
   applications.  Using Guile in an application allows programmers to write
   plug-ins or modules so the application fit their needs.
 
   Autogen-5.9 will be integrated into the SFW consolidation as part of this
   proposal, and will be installed as SUNWautogen.

   Guile-1.8.4 will be integrated into the SFW consolidation as part of this
   proposal, and will be installed as SUNWguile

   This project requests a minor release binding. 


Dependencies
============

   libltdl    	ltdl - GNU libtool dlopen wrapper 		PSARC/2007/557
   libgmp	GNU Multiple Precision Arithmetic Library	PSARC/2008/166


Interfaces
==========

   (1) Guile related:

   Exported Interfaces		Classification	Comment
   -------------------		--------------	-------
   SUNWguile			Uncommitted	Package
   /usr/bin/guile		Uncommitted	Command
   /usr/bin/guile-snarf		Uncommitted	Command
   /usr/bin/guile-config	Uncommitted	Command
   /usr/bin/guile-tools		Uncommitted	Command

   /usr/lib/libguile.so 	Uncommitted 	Guile library symbol link
   /usr/lib/libguile.so.17.1.2 	Uncommitted 	Guile library

   /usr/lib/libguile-srfi-srfi-1-v-3.so.3.0.1 
				Uncommitted	Guile srfi 1 implementation library
   /usr/lib/libguile-srfi-srfi-1-v-3.so
				Uncommitted	symbol link to 
						Guile srfi 1 implementation library

   /usr/lib/libguile-srfi-srfi-4-v-3.so.3.0.1 
				Uncommitted	Guile srfi 4 implementation library
   /usr/lib/libguile-srfi-srfi-4-v-3.so
				Uncommitted	symbol link to 
						Guile srfi 4 implementation library

   /usr/lib/libguile-srfi-srfi-13-14-v-3.so.3.0.1
				Uncommitted	Guile srfi 13 and 14 implementation library
   /usr/lib/libguile-srfi-srfi-13-14-v-3.so
				Uncommitted	symbol link to 
						Guile srfi 13 and 14 implementation library

   /usr/lib/libguile-srfi-srfi-60-v-2.so.2.0.2
				Uncommitted	Guile srfi 60 implementation library
   /usr/lib/libguile-srfi-srfi-60-v-2.so
				Uncommitted	symbol link to 
						Guile srfi 60 implementation library

   /usr/share/guile/		Project Private	Scheme modules

   /usr/include/libguile.h	Uncommitted	Header files
   /usr/include/libguile	Uncommitted	Header files
   /usr/include/guile/		Uncommitted	Header files

   Imported Interfaces 		Classification	Comment
   -------------------		--------------	-------
   /usr/lib/libltdl.so		Uncommitted	PSARC/2007/557
   /usr/lib/libgmp.so		Committed	PSARC/2008/166

   (2) Autogen related:

   Exported Interfaces		Classification	Comment
   -------------------		--------------	-------
   SUNWautogen			Uncommitted	Package
   /usr/bin/autogen		Uncommitted	Command
   /usr/bin/autoopts-config 	Uncommitted	Command
   /usr/bin/columns		Uncommitted	Command
   /usr/bin/getdefs		Uncommitted	Command
   /usr/bin/xml2ag 		Uncommitted	Command

   /usr/lib/libguileopts.so	Uncommitted	Libguileopts library symbol
   						link
   /usr/lib/libguileopts.so.0.0.1
   				Uncommitted	Libguileopts library

   /usr/share/autogen/		Uncommitted 	Templates can be used as autogen command arguments

   /usr/lib/libopts.so.25.3.0   
				Uncommitted	Library used by libguileopts.so and autogen

   /usr/include/autoopts/	Uncommitted	Header files

   Imported Interfaces 		Classification	Comment
   -------------------		--------------	-------
   /usr/lib/libguile.so 	Uncommitted 	Guile library symbol link


Reference Documents
===================
   [1] http://www.gnu.org/software/autogen/
   [2] http://www.gnu.org/software/guile/

   RFE ID# 6672584 for autogen
   RFE ID# 6672583 for guile
plain text document attachment (guile.1.txt)


User Commands                                            guile(1)



NAME
     guile - a library designed to help programmers create flexi-
     ble applications

SYNOPSIS
     /usr/bin/guile [OPTION]...

DESCRIPTION
     Using Guile in an application allows  programmers  to  write
     plug-ins,  or modules (there are many names, but the concept
     is essentially the same) and users to use them  to  have  an
     application fit their needs.

     For additional information on using guile, see the Info for-
     mat documentation by running the following command from your
     shell:
          /usr/sfw/bin/info guile

     guile is provided for developers who are working on software
     that  has  already  adopted  it.   However, it is not recom-
     mended that guile be used when developing new software  pro-
     jects.

ATTRIBUTES
     See attributes(5) for descriptions of the  following  attri-
     butes:

     _______________________________________
    |   ATTRIBUTE TYPE   |  ATTRIBUTE VALUE|
    |_______________________________________
    | Availability       |  SUNWguile      |
    |_______________________________________
    | Interface Stability|  Uncommitted    |
    |____________________|_________________|

NOTES
     Source for guile is available on http://opensolaris.org.


















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--Boundary_(ID_qSKj9A/79jR5NjErY0aTmg)-- From Halton.Huo@sun.com Mon May 12 22:36:40 2008 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m4D5adRP005637 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 22:36:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m4D5a8t8005297 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 13 May 2008 06:36:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K0S00119KWYMO00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Mon, 12 May 2008 23:36:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sineb-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.19.6]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K0S000VFKWUBJ10@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Mon, 12 May 2008 23:36:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fe-apac-06.sun.com (fe-apac-06.sun.com [192.18.19.177] (may be forged)) by sineb-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m4D5amg9026124 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 05:36:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-apac.sun.com by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0K0S00G01KROTN00@mail-apac.sun.com> (original mail from Halton.Huo@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 13 May 2008 13:35:21 +0800 (SGT) Received: from [129.158.217.65] by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0K0S009UMKUW8GDB@mail-apac.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 13 May 2008 13:35:21 +0800 (SGT) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 13:42:13 +0800 From: Halton Huo Subject: Re: PSARC/2008/315 - autogen and guile In-reply-to: <48291C95.5000202@sun.com> Sender: Halton.Huo@sun.com To: steve xue Cc: Irene Huang , John.Fischer@sun.com, PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <1210657333.4506.16.camel@judo> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.1.1 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_S+ASg8mHrBxboSdQg024Dw)" X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <4828CB3E.8050608@sun.com> <4828CEF2.5010608@sun.com> <1210645600.11044.5.camel@goalie> <1210646456.1487.24.camel@judo> <48290540.6050400@sun.com> <1210652244.4506.12.camel@judo> <48291C95.5000202@sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 3106 --Boundary_(ID_S+ASg8mHrBxboSdQg024Dw) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT On Tue, 2008-05-13 at 12:44 +0800, steve xue wrote: > > And need these man page files listed in the "Exported Interfaces" form? > > > > When I build guile 1.8.5, I got four more files > > /usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so > > /usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so.17 > > /usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so.17.0.3 > > /usr/lib/pkgconfig/guile-1.8.pc > > > > Do you remove them in purpose? > > > > For the readline* , they are all symbol link, because currently > Solaris do not have any static readline library shipped > I think I should remove these symboe links. libguilereadline-v-17.so.17 libguilereadline-v-17.so.17.0.3 are symbol links, libguilereadline-v-17.so is not. $ls -l /usr/lib/libguilereadline* lrwxrwxrwx 1 root bin 31 May 13 12:11 /usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so -> libguilereadline-v-17.so.17.0.3 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root bin 31 May 13 12:11 /usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so.17 -> libguilereadline-v-17.so.17.0.3 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root bin 3516 May 13 12:11 /usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so.17.0.3 -Halton. --Boundary_(ID_S+ASg8mHrBxboSdQg024Dw) Content-type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On Tue, 2008-05-13 at 12:44 +0800, steve xue wrote: 
And need these man page files listed in the "Exported Interfaces" form?

When I build guile 1.8.5, I got four more files
/usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so
/usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so.17
/usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so.17.0.3
/usr/lib/pkgconfig/guile-1.8.pc

Do you remove them in purpose?
For the readline* , they are all symbol link, because currently Solaris do not have any static readline library shipped
I think I should remove these symboe links.
libguilereadline-v-17.so.17 libguilereadline-v-17.so.17.0.3 are symbol links, libguilereadline-v-17.so is not.

$ls -l /usr/lib/libguilereadline*
lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     bin            31 May 13 12:11 /usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so -> libguilereadline-v-17.so.17.0.3
lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     bin            31 May 13 12:11 /usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so.17 -> libguilereadline-v-17.so.17.0.3
-rwxr-xr-x    1 root     bin          3516 May 13 12:11 /usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so.17.0.3

-Halton.

--Boundary_(ID_S+ASg8mHrBxboSdQg024Dw)-- From Steve.Xue@sun.com Mon May 12 22:44:51 2008 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m4D5iost005723 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 22:44:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m4D5inCa007696 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 13 May 2008 06:44:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K0S0020FLAO2W00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Mon, 12 May 2008 23:44:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sineb-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.19.7]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K0S000WBLAFBN10@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Mon, 12 May 2008 23:44:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fe-apac-06.sun.com (fe-apac-06.sun.com [192.18.19.177] (may be forged)) by sineb-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m4D5jLwv027837 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 05:45:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-apac.sun.com by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0K0S00201L520200@mail-apac.sun.com> (original mail from Steve.Xue@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 13 May 2008 13:43:29 +0800 (SGT) Received: from [129.158.218.29] by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0K0S009DNL8D8GFB@mail-apac.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 13 May 2008 13:43:26 +0800 (SGT) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 13:43:56 +0800 From: steve xue Subject: Re: PSARC/2008/315 - autogen and guile In-reply-to: <1210657333.4506.16.camel@judo> Sender: Steve.Xue@sun.com To: Halton Huo Cc: Irene Huang , John.Fischer@sun.com, PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <48292A9C.7020905@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_C3fAiwzNSSrwKfwzZVj+LQ)" X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <4828CB3E.8050608@sun.com> <4828CEF2.5010608@sun.com> <1210645600.11044.5.camel@goalie> <1210646456.1487.24.camel@judo> <48290540.6050400@sun.com> <1210652244.4506.12.camel@judo> <48291C95.5000202@sun.com> <1210657333.4506.16.camel@judo> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071119) Status: RO Content-Length: 3757 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_C3fAiwzNSSrwKfwzZVj+LQ) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Yes, you are right, I think I miss-understood some comments from some previous mail. Danek found this also, he mentioned that since libguilereadline will be shipped here that will have some potential risk about being conflict to some future individual 'readline' library porting. Halton Huo wrote: > On Tue, 2008-05-13 at 12:44 +0800, steve xue wrote: >>> And need these man page files listed in the "Exported Interfaces" form? >>> >>> When I build guile 1.8.5, I got four more files >>> /usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so >>> /usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so.17 >>> /usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so.17.0.3 >>> /usr/lib/pkgconfig/guile-1.8.pc >>> >>> Do you remove them in purpose? >>> >>> >> For the readline* , they are all symbol link, because currently >> Solaris do not have any static readline library shipped >> I think I should remove these symboe links. > libguilereadline-v-17.so.17 libguilereadline-v-17.so.17.0.3 are > symbol links, libguilereadline-v-17.so is not. > > $ls -l /usr/lib/libguilereadline* > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root bin 31 May 13 12:11 > /usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so -> libguilereadline-v-17.so.17.0.3 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root bin 31 May 13 12:11 > /usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so.17 -> libguilereadline-v-17.so.17.0.3 > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root bin 3516 May 13 12:11 > /usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so.17.0.3 > > -Halton. > --Boundary_(ID_C3fAiwzNSSrwKfwzZVj+LQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Yes, you are right, I think I miss-understood some comments from some previous mail.
Danek found this also, he mentioned that since libguilereadline will be shipped here
that will have some potential risk about being conflict to some future individual 'readline'
library porting.
Halton Huo wrote:
On Tue, 2008-05-13 at 12:44 +0800, steve xue wrote: 
And need these man page files listed in the "Exported Interfaces" form?

When I build guile 1.8.5, I got four more files
/usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so
/usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so.17
/usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so.17.0.3
/usr/lib/pkgconfig/guile-1.8.pc

Do you remove them in purpose?
For the readline* , they are all symbol link, because currently Solaris do not have any static readline library shipped
I think I should remove these symboe links.
libguilereadline-v-17.so.17 libguilereadline-v-17.so.17.0.3 are symbol links, libguilereadline-v-17.so is not.

$ls -l /usr/lib/libguilereadline*
lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     bin            31 May 13 12:11 /usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so -> libguilereadline-v-17.so.17.0.3
lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     bin            31 May 13 12:11 /usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so.17 -> libguilereadline-v-17.so.17.0.3
-rwxr-xr-x    1 root     bin          3516 May 13 12:11 /usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so.17.0.3

-Halton.


--Boundary_(ID_C3fAiwzNSSrwKfwzZVj+LQ)-- From danek.duvall@sun.com Mon May 12 23:33:10 2008 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m4D6X9sD007245 for ; Mon, 12 May 2008 23:33:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m4D6X8PH016098 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 13 May 2008 14:33:08 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K0S00503NJ62400@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 13 May 2008 00:33:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dm-sfbay-01.sfbay.sun.com ([129.145.155.118]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K0S0004CNJ2BJ60@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 13 May 2008 00:33:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from zruty.sfbay.sun.com (zruty.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.168.40]) by dm-sfbay-01.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m4D6X0pC035448; Mon, 12 May 2008 23:33:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zruty.sfbay.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zruty.sfbay.sun.com (8.14.2+Sun/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4D6X0aD012314; Mon, 12 May 2008 23:33:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dduvall@localhost) by zruty.sfbay.sun.com (8.14.2+Sun/8.14.2/Submit) id m4D6X0OI012313; Mon, 12 May 2008 23:33:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 23:32:59 -0700 From: Danek Duvall Subject: Re: PSARC/2008/315 - autogen and guile In-reply-to: <48292A9C.7020905@sun.com> To: steve xue Cc: Halton Huo , Irene Huang , John.Fischer@sun.com, PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <20080513063259.GF29912@zruty.sfbay.sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <4828CB3E.8050608@sun.com> <4828CEF2.5010608@sun.com> <1210645600.11044.5.camel@goalie> <1210646456.1487.24.camel@judo> <48290540.6050400@sun.com> <1210652244.4506.12.camel@judo> <48291C95.5000202@sun.com> <1210657333.4506.16.camel@judo> <48292A9C.7020905@sun.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-27) Status: RO Content-Length: 587 On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 01:43:56PM +0800, steve xue wrote: > Danek found this also, he mentioned that since libguilereadline will be > shipped here that will have some potential risk about being conflict to > some future individual 'readline' library porting. It wasn't so much that there was a conflict, just that libguilereadline links against the readline library, which we don't (currently) ship. So there's not much point in shipping libguilereadline, either. Though readline could be linked in statically until such time as we make a dynamic readline library available. Danek From Halton.Huo@sun.com Tue May 13 01:28:32 2008 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m4D8SWRE010412 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 01:28:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m4D8SUBi023681 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 13 May 2008 01:28:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K0S00D07SVIDL00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 13 May 2008 02:28:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sineb-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.19.6]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K0S00BNOSVGCR10@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 13 May 2008 02:28:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fe-apac-05.sun.com (fe-apac-05.sun.com [192.18.19.176] (may be forged)) by sineb-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m4D8Sk7R011532 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 08:28:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-apac.sun.com by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0K0S00H01SU7PZ00@mail-apac.sun.com> (original mail from Halton.Huo@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 13 May 2008 16:28:14 +0800 (SGT) Received: from [129.158.217.65] by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0K0S00M5PSV19MH6@mail-apac.sun.com>; Tue, 13 May 2008 16:28:14 +0800 (SGT) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 16:34:12 +0800 From: Halton Huo Subject: Re: PSARC/2008/315 - autogen and guile In-reply-to: <20080513063259.GF29912@zruty.sfbay.sun.com> Sender: Halton.Huo@sun.com To: Danek Duvall Cc: steve xue , Irene Huang , John.Fischer@sun.com, PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <1210667652.4506.45.camel@judo> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.1.1 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Fq5/wMl1JlQs8Mw0h9cXJw)" X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <4828CB3E.8050608@sun.com> <4828CEF2.5010608@sun.com> <1210645600.11044.5.camel@goalie> <1210646456.1487.24.camel@judo> <48290540.6050400@sun.com> <1210652244.4506.12.camel@judo> <48291C95.5000202@sun.com> <1210657333.4506.16.camel@judo> <48292A9C.7020905@sun.com> <20080513063259.GF29912@zruty.sfbay.sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 3071 --Boundary_(ID_Fq5/wMl1JlQs8Mw0h9cXJw) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT On Mon, 2008-05-12 at 23:32 -0700, Danek Duvall wrote: > On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 01:43:56PM +0800, steve xue wrote: > > > Danek found this also, he mentioned that since libguilereadline will be > > shipped here that will have some potential risk about being conflict to > > some future individual 'readline' library porting. > > It wasn't so much that there was a conflict, just that libguilereadline > links against the readline library, which we don't (currently) ship. So > there's not much point in shipping libguilereadline, either. Though > readline could be linked in statically until such time as we make a dynamic > readline library available. Danek, I'm okay to not shipping it. Seems libguilereadline is different between mine and yours. I'm not sure it is correct place to continue this discussion. If not, please point me out. My libguilereadline is not link against readline, $file /usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so.17.0.3 /usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so.17.0.3: ELF 32-bit LSB dynamic lib 80386 Version 1, dynamically linked, not stripped Strange thing is when I run 'ldd /usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so.17.0.3', there is no depend on libs. -Halton. > > Danek --Boundary_(ID_Fq5/wMl1JlQs8Mw0h9cXJw) Content-type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On Mon, 2008-05-12 at 23:32 -0700, Danek Duvall wrote: 
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 01:43:56PM +0800, steve xue wrote:

> Danek found this also, he mentioned that since libguilereadline will be
> shipped here that will have some potential risk about being conflict to
> some future individual 'readline' library porting.

It wasn't so much that there was a conflict, just that libguilereadline
links against the readline library, which we don't (currently) ship.  So
there's not much point in shipping libguilereadline, either.  Though
readline could be linked in statically until such time as we make a dynamic
readline library available.
Danek,

I'm okay to not shipping it. Seems libguilereadline is different between mine and yours.

I'm not sure it is correct place to continue this discussion. If not, please point me out.

My libguilereadline is not link against readline,
$file /usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so.17.0.3
/usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so.17.0.3: ELF 32-bit LSB dynamic lib 80386 Version 1, dynamically linked, not stripped

Strange thing is when I run 'ldd /usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so.17.0.3', there is no depend on libs.

-Halton.


Danek
--Boundary_(ID_Fq5/wMl1JlQs8Mw0h9cXJw)-- From jek3@sun.com Tue May 13 02:02:49 2008 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m4D92mug011193 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 02:02:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m4D92dUN012760; Tue, 13 May 2008 17:02:45 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K0S00F03UGLZJ00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Tue, 13 May 2008 03:02:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.17.59]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K0S00BGPUGKCR40@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Tue, 13 May 2008 03:02:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [129.150.13.200] (vpn-129-150-13-200.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.150.13.200]) by jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com (8.14.2+Sun/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4D92h1r599101; Tue, 13 May 2008 02:02:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 23:04:15 -1000 From: Joseph Kowalski Subject: Re: PSARC/2008/315 - autogen and guile In-reply-to: <4829179F.30507@Sun.Com> To: John Plocher Cc: Halton Huo , John.Fischer@sun.com, PSARC-ext@sun.com, Irene Huang , Steve.Xue@sun.com Message-id: <4829598F.4000103@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_UnAFV1hA8fxO0itQzJkF7Q)" X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <4828CB3E.8050608@sun.com> <4828CEF2.5010608@sun.com> <1210645600.11044.5.camel@goalie> <1210646456.1487.24.camel@judo> <4829066E.7020901@sun.com> <4829179F.30507@Sun.Com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20080225) Status: RO Content-Length: 7144 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_UnAFV1hA8fxO0itQzJkF7Q) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT John Plocher wrote: > Joseph Kowalski wrote: >> Halton Huo wrote: >>> 2. no man pages for SUNWguile >>> community do not have, only have info >>> 3. no man pages for SUNWautogen >>> community have >>> >> Good catch. >> >> I would expect there to be "vestigial" man pages as per our FOSS >> integration process. How many precedents would you like? > > Without "vestigial man pages", does this imply: > > Can't go into SFW (but might go into the Companion CD/Experimental > repo)? It is a requirement to be delivered as part of Solaris. Last I looked. SFW was only different (from ON) in that it wasn't bound to the Makefile standards and "quiet build" requirements of ON. > > Can't go into a Minor release of SFW? Doesn't matter what type of release. Can't go into Solaris. > > We need to change the rules for what goes into SFW? Sure. Everybody likes less work. But the current rules are the rules. BTW: I made a couple of "vestigial man pages". Takes 30 minutes on the very out side. > > Case gets rejected/deraile/TCR's to make work creating man pages? Yes. They have been. > > Case gets told to go fetch an "info to man converter" rock? > > ...? What the &^#$#*&$ ??? Read what I wrote. (and I'll try to provide more details that anybody should be able to understand). > > -John As ARC coordinator, you should not be surprised about this. See: PSARC/2000/488 Solaris/Linux Commands Compatibility Bick Torrejon unset closed approved 05/02/2001 Joseph Kowalski From the opinion: 1. A single manual page shall be made available as part of the base documentation set which can be located via the default MANPATH describing the intent of the ``sfw'' interfaces and what changes need to be made to a users environment to access them and their associated documentation. Need I say more? Probably: A typical "vestigial manpage" would have: NAME SYNOPSIS DESCRIPTION >>> a textual pointer to where the documentation lies<<< >>> probably in info pages, but could be pdf, html,... <<< ATTRIBUTES The ATTRIBUTES part is **very** important. Otherwise, how does the reader know the "Interface Stability"? - sigh, - jek3 --Boundary_(ID_UnAFV1hA8fxO0itQzJkF7Q) Content-type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT John Plocher wrote:
Joseph Kowalski wrote:
Halton Huo wrote:
2. no man pages for SUNWguile
   community do not have, only have info
3. no man pages for SUNWautogen
   community have
 
Good catch.

I would expect there to be "vestigial" man pages as per our FOSS integration process.
How many precedents would you like?

Without "vestigial man pages", does this imply:

    Can't go into SFW (but might go into the Companion CD/Experimental repo)?
It is a requirement to be delivered as part of Solaris.  Last I looked. SFW was only
different (from ON) in that it wasn't bound to the Makefile standards and "quiet
build" requirements of ON.

    Can't go into a Minor release of SFW?
Doesn't matter what type of release.  Can't go into Solaris.

    We need to change the rules for what goes into SFW?
Sure.  Everybody likes less work.  But the current rules are the rules.

BTW: I made a couple of "vestigial man pages".  Takes 30 minutes on the
very out side.

    Case gets rejected/deraile/TCR's to make work creating man pages?
Yes.  They have been.

    Case gets told to go fetch an "info to man converter" rock?

    ...?
What the &^#$#*&$ ???

Read what I wrote.  (and I'll try to provide more details that anybody
should be able to understand).


  -John
As ARC coordinator, you should not be surprised about this. See:

    PSARC/2000/488  Solaris/Linux Commands Compatibility      Bick Torrejon         unset
    closed approved 05/02/2001            Joseph Kowalski

From the opinion:

     1.   A single manual page shall be  made  available  as
          part  of  the  base documentation set which can be
          located via the  default  MANPATH  describing  the
          intent  of the ``sfw'' interfaces and what changes
          need to be made to a users environment  to  access
          them and their associated documentation.

Need I say more?

Probably:

A typical "vestigial manpage" would have:

    NAME

       <as usual>

    SYNOPSIS

       <as usual>

    DESCRIPTION

       >>> a textual pointer to where the documentation lies<<<
       >>> probably in info pages, but could be pdf, html,... <<<

    ATTRIBUTES

       <as usual>

The ATTRIBUTES part is **very** important.
Otherwise, how does the reader know the
"Interface Stability"?

- sigh,

- jek3




--Boundary_(ID_UnAFV1hA8fxO0itQzJkF7Q)-- From brian.utterback@sun.com Tue May 13 06:26:03 2008 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m4DDQ2Af016120 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 06:26:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m4DDPvPn010823 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 13 May 2008 14:26:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K0T002036NBPL00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 13 May 2008 06:25:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm-east-01.east.sun.com ([129.148.9.192]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K0T00KNU6NA1G60@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 13 May 2008 06:25:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [129.148.226.12] (sr1-unsh01-02.East.Sun.COM [129.148.226.12]) by dm-east-01.east.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m4DDPsrq031011; Tue, 13 May 2008 09:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 09:25:54 -0400 From: Brian Utterback Subject: Re: PSARC/2008/315 - autogen and guile In-reply-to: <4828CEF2.5010608@sun.com> To: John.Fischer@sun.com Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, Steve.Xue@sun.com Message-id: <482996E2.3010605@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <4828CB3E.8050608@sun.com> <4828CEF2.5010608@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.15pre (X11/20080427) Status: RO Content-Length: 371 Are you really doing Autogen 5.9, or is this just a rounding error? Why not 5.9.4, or at least 5.9.3? -- blu There are two rules in life: Rule 1- Don't tell people everything you know ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian Utterback - Solaris RPE, Sun Microsystems, Inc. Ph:877-259-7345, Em:brian.utterback-at-ess-you-enn-dot-kom From John.Plocher@sun.com Tue May 13 06:32:07 2008 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m4DDW64g016150 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 06:32:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m4DDW1uv013654 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 13 May 2008 14:32:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K0T002096XFXU00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 13 May 2008 06:32:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.43.132]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K0T00KC76XF1Q80@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 13 May 2008 06:32:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-09.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m4DDW3Bt025023 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 06:32:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-09.sun.com by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K0T00C016X2FK00@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> (original mail from John.Plocher@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 13 May 2008 06:32:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wp668.local ([208.74.177.212]) by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K0T00LM06XEWYD0@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com>; Tue, 13 May 2008 06:32:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 06:32:02 -0700 From: John Plocher Subject: Re: PSARC/2008/315 - autogen and guile In-reply-to: <4829598F.4000103@sun.com> Sender: John.Plocher@sun.com To: Joseph Kowalski Cc: Halton Huo , John.Fischer@sun.com, PSARC-ext@sun.com, Irene Huang , Steve.Xue@sun.com Message-id: <48299852.1080100@Sun.Com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <4828CB3E.8050608@sun.com> <4828CEF2.5010608@sun.com> <1210645600.11044.5.camel@goalie> <1210646456.1487.24.camel@judo> <4829066E.7020901@sun.com> <4829179F.30507@Sun.Com> <4829598F.4000103@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) Status: RO Content-Length: 945 Joseph Kowalski wrote: > Read what I wrote. (and I'll try to provide more details that anybody > should be able to understand). > As ARC coordinator, you should not be surprised about this. Thank you, Joe. I know the answer, and the rest of the ARC members probably have some clue, but I guarantee that nobody outside of the ARC has much clue as to what you mean when you say "FOSS Guidelines". Especially with all the tangential discussions going on in the background. Instead of doing a "drive by ARC shooting", we all need to get into the habit of explicitly tying our cryptic ARC comments back to explicit instructions to the project teams. The difference between your original email and this one is that, with this one, the project team knows exactly what they need to do to move the case forward. Without this level of detail, all they know is that they are stuck and have no idea what to do next to satisfy the request. -John From Steve.Xue@sun.com Tue May 13 06:48:07 2008 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m4DDm6c5016412 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 06:48:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m4DDla1s027995 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 13 May 2008 21:48:05 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K0T003097O2JM00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 13 May 2008 06:48:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sineb-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.19.6]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K0T00KMC7O11G70@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 13 May 2008 06:48:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-apac-06.sun.com (fe-apac-06.sun.com [192.18.19.177] (may be forged)) by sineb-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m4DDmJgs027774 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 13:48:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-apac.sun.com by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0K0T00D017H2EF00@mail-apac.sun.com> (original mail from Steve.Xue@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 13 May 2008 21:46:52 +0800 (SGT) Received: from [123.117.89.51] by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0K0T009KT7LX8G8D@mail-apac.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 13 May 2008 21:46:51 +0800 (SGT) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 21:47:58 +0800 From: "steve.xue" Subject: Re: PSARC/2008/315 - autogen and guile In-reply-to: <482996E2.3010605@sun.com> Sender: Steve.Xue@sun.com To: Brian Utterback Cc: John.Fischer@sun.com, PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <48299C0E.1010104@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <4828CB3E.8050608@sun.com> <4828CEF2.5010608@sun.com> <482996E2.3010605@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) Status: RO Content-Length: 175 It is because I started this 3 months ago:) Brian Utterback wrote: > Are you really doing Autogen 5.9, or is this just a rounding error? > Why not 5.9.4, or at least 5.9.3? From brian.utterback@sun.com Tue May 13 06:52:39 2008 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m4DDqdbb016637 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 06:52:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m4DDqcQs018473 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 13 May 2008 06:52:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K0T00C0D7VQK000@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 13 May 2008 07:52:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dm-east-01.east.sun.com ([129.148.9.192]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K0T00N3Y7VP1TE0@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 13 May 2008 07:52:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [129.148.226.12] (sr1-unsh01-02.East.Sun.COM [129.148.226.12]) by dm-east-01.east.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m4DDqXX9040585; Tue, 13 May 2008 09:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 09:52:33 -0400 From: Brian Utterback Subject: Re: PSARC/2008/315 - autogen and guile In-reply-to: <1210652244.4506.12.camel@judo> To: Halton Huo Cc: steve xue , Irene Huang , John.Fischer@sun.com, PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <48299D21.9050505@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <4828CB3E.8050608@sun.com> <4828CEF2.5010608@sun.com> <1210645600.11044.5.camel@goalie> <1210646456.1487.24.camel@judo> <48290540.6050400@sun.com> <1210652244.4506.12.camel@judo> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.15pre (X11/20080427) Status: RO Content-Length: 9127 I hesitate to mention this and if everybody agrees that this is not architecturally or otherwise relevant, I'll shut up, but if you recall, the GNU readline case (PSARC 2007/188) stalled because GNU readline is a library licensed under the GPL rather than the LGPL and thus anything linked with it is likewise under the GPL. So, if guile links with libguilereadline-v-17.so.17.0.3 (which comes with the guile source, but is indeed GPL licensed) then despite what the LICENSE file for guile says, it is not in reality licensed under LGPL, it is actually bound by the terms of the GPL. So, this presents the same problem that readline did, namely that a developer may unknowingly end up with a product that is bound by the GPL. Now, if the whole issue with readline has been resolved, then great, but I never saw the resolution. Has it been resolved? Halton Huo wrote: > Hi Steve, > > AFAIK, binaries under /usr/bin should have man pages. For autogen, man > pages are okay. For guile, Only found man page for guile, how about > other three: guile-snarf, guile-config, guile-tools? > > And need these man page files listed in the "Exported Interfaces" form? > > When I build guile 1.8.5, I got four more files > /usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so > /usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so.17 > /usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so.17.0.3 > /usr/lib/pkgconfig/guile-1.8.pc > > Do you remove them in purpose? > > -Halton. > > On Tue, 2008-05-13 at 11:04 +0800, steve xue wrote: >> Halton Huo wrote: >>> Give a review on this fast track, comments: >>> >>> 1. typo >>> /usr/bin/guile-confi should be /usr/bin/guile-config >>> 2. no man pages for SUNWguile >>> community do not have, only have info >>> 3. no man pages for SUNWautogen >>> community have >>> >>> - >> Thanks Halton! >> >> I re-sent my materials in this mail, man pages are attached. >> plain text document attachment (autogen_fasttrack.txt) >> Summary >> ======= >> Autogen[1] is a tool designed to simplify the creation and maintenance of >> programs that contain large amounts of repetitious text. It is especially >> valuable in programs that have several blocks of text that must be kept >> synchronized. >> >> This utility can also be called a code generator, which are programs that >> automatically generate high level code (e.g. C, C++, C#, Java, Perl, Python, >> Ruby, etc.). These tools range in size and complexity from simple code >> parsers to fully featured class and tier builders. >> >> AutoOpts is bundled with AutoGen. It is a tool that virtually eliminates >> the hassle of processing options and keeping man pages, info docs and usage >> text up to date. This package allows you to specify several program attributes, >> up to a hundred option types and many option attributes. From this, >> it then produces all the code necessary to parse and handle the command line >> and configuration file options, and the documentation that should go with >> your program as well. >> >> AutoGen/AutoOpts is a two-part project that serves two separate purposes >> and are inextricably intertwined. >> >> Because the implementation of Autogen used guile[2](GNU's extension >> language) and guile is not available now in SFW consolidation, so we decide >> to merge guile porting work together into this case. >> >> Guile[2] is a library designed to help programmers create flexible >> applications. Using Guile in an application allows programmers to write >> plug-ins or modules so the application fit their needs. >> >> Autogen-5.9 will be integrated into the SFW consolidation as part of this >> proposal, and will be installed as SUNWautogen. >> >> Guile-1.8.4 will be integrated into the SFW consolidation as part of this >> proposal, and will be installed as SUNWguile >> >> This project requests a minor release binding. >> >> >> Dependencies >> ============ >> >> libltdl ltdl - GNU libtool dlopen wrapper PSARC/2007/557 >> libgmp GNU Multiple Precision Arithmetic Library PSARC/2008/166 >> >> >> Interfaces >> ========== >> >> (1) Guile related: >> >> Exported Interfaces Classification Comment >> ------------------- -------------- ------- >> SUNWguile Uncommitted Package >> /usr/bin/guile Uncommitted Command >> /usr/bin/guile-snarf Uncommitted Command >> /usr/bin/guile-config Uncommitted Command >> /usr/bin/guile-tools Uncommitted Command >> >> /usr/lib/libguile.so Uncommitted Guile library symbol link >> /usr/lib/libguile.so.17.1.2 Uncommitted Guile library >> >> /usr/lib/libguile-srfi-srfi-1-v-3.so.3.0.1 >> Uncommitted Guile srfi 1 implementation library >> /usr/lib/libguile-srfi-srfi-1-v-3.so >> Uncommitted symbol link to >> Guile srfi 1 implementation library >> >> /usr/lib/libguile-srfi-srfi-4-v-3.so.3.0.1 >> Uncommitted Guile srfi 4 implementation library >> /usr/lib/libguile-srfi-srfi-4-v-3.so >> Uncommitted symbol link to >> Guile srfi 4 implementation library >> >> /usr/lib/libguile-srfi-srfi-13-14-v-3.so.3.0.1 >> Uncommitted Guile srfi 13 and 14 implementation library >> /usr/lib/libguile-srfi-srfi-13-14-v-3.so >> Uncommitted symbol link to >> Guile srfi 13 and 14 implementation library >> >> /usr/lib/libguile-srfi-srfi-60-v-2.so.2.0.2 >> Uncommitted Guile srfi 60 implementation library >> /usr/lib/libguile-srfi-srfi-60-v-2.so >> Uncommitted symbol link to >> Guile srfi 60 implementation library >> >> /usr/share/guile/ Project Private Scheme modules >> >> /usr/include/libguile.h Uncommitted Header files >> /usr/include/libguile Uncommitted Header files >> /usr/include/guile/ Uncommitted Header files >> >> Imported Interfaces Classification Comment >> ------------------- -------------- ------- >> /usr/lib/libltdl.so Uncommitted PSARC/2007/557 >> /usr/lib/libgmp.so Committed PSARC/2008/166 >> >> (2) Autogen related: >> >> Exported Interfaces Classification Comment >> ------------------- -------------- ------- >> SUNWautogen Uncommitted Package >> /usr/bin/autogen Uncommitted Command >> /usr/bin/autoopts-config Uncommitted Command >> /usr/bin/columns Uncommitted Command >> /usr/bin/getdefs Uncommitted Command >> /usr/bin/xml2ag Uncommitted Command >> >> /usr/lib/libguileopts.so Uncommitted Libguileopts library symbol >> link >> /usr/lib/libguileopts.so.0.0.1 >> Uncommitted Libguileopts library >> >> /usr/share/autogen/ Uncommitted Templates can be used as autogen command arguments >> >> /usr/lib/libopts.so.25.3.0 >> Uncommitted Library used by libguileopts.so and autogen >> >> /usr/include/autoopts/ Uncommitted Header files >> >> Imported Interfaces Classification Comment >> ------------------- -------------- ------- >> /usr/lib/libguile.so Uncommitted Guile library symbol link >> >> >> Reference Documents >> =================== >> [1] http://www.gnu.org/software/autogen/ >> [2] http://www.gnu.org/software/guile/ >> >> RFE ID# 6672584 for autogen >> RFE ID# 6672583 for guile >> plain text document attachment (guile.1.txt) >> >> >> User Commands guile(1) >> >> >> >> NAME >> guile - a library designed to help programmers create flexi- >> ble applications >> >> SYNOPSIS >> /usr/bin/guile [OPTION]... >> >> DESCRIPTION >> Using Guile in an application allows programmers to write >> plug-ins, or modules (there are many names, but the concept >> is essentially the same) and users to use them to have an >> application fit their needs. >> >> For additional information on using guile, see the Info for- >> mat documentation by running the following command from your >> shell: >> /usr/sfw/bin/info guile >> >> guile is provided for developers who are working on software >> that has already adopted it. However, it is not recom- >> mended that guile be used when developing new software pro- >> jects. >> >> ATTRIBUTES >> See attributes(5) for descriptions of the following attri- >> butes: >> >> _______________________________________ >> | ATTRIBUTE TYPE | ATTRIBUTE VALUE| >> |_______________________________________ >> | Availability | SUNWguile | >> |_______________________________________ >> | Interface Stability| Uncommitted | >> |____________________|_________________| >> >> NOTES >> Source for guile is available on http://opensolaris.org. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> SunOS 5.10 Last change: 08 Mar 2008 1 >> >> >> > -- blu There are two rules in life: Rule 1- Don't tell people everything you know ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian Utterback - Solaris RPE, Sun Microsystems, Inc. Ph:877-259-7345, Em:brian.utterback-at-ess-you-enn-dot-kom From brian.utterback@Sun.COM Tue May 13 06:55:37 2008 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m4DDtakG017078 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 06:55:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m4DDtY1Q023062 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 13 May 2008 14:55:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K0T00C0580LTW00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 13 May 2008 07:55:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dm-east-01.east.sun.com ([129.148.9.192]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K0T00NC880K1TE0@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 13 May 2008 07:55:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [129.148.226.12] (sr1-unsh01-02.East.Sun.COM [129.148.226.12]) by dm-east-01.east.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m4DDtTCv041587; Tue, 13 May 2008 09:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 09:55:29 -0400 From: Brian Utterback Subject: Re: PSARC/2008/315 - autogen and guile In-reply-to: <48299C0E.1010104@sun.com> To: "steve.xue" Cc: John.Fischer@Sun.COM, PSARC-ext@Sun.COM Message-id: <48299DD1.4090103@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <4828CB3E.8050608@sun.com> <4828CEF2.5010608@sun.com> <482996E2.3010605@sun.com> <48299C0E.1010104@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.15pre (X11/20080427) Status: RO Content-Length: 632 Okay, but 5.9.4 shipped 4 months ago. Granted it might have been a little green at that point, which is why I thought 5.9.3 would have been the logical choice. steve.xue wrote: > It is because I started this 3 months ago:) > Brian Utterback wrote: >> Are you really doing Autogen 5.9, or is this just a rounding error? >> Why not 5.9.4, or at least 5.9.3? > -- blu There are two rules in life: Rule 1- Don't tell people everything you know ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian Utterback - Solaris RPE, Sun Microsystems, Inc. Ph:877-259-7345, Em:brian.utterback-at-ess-you-enn-dot-kom From Steve.Xue@sun.com Tue May 13 07:01:50 2008 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m4DE1o74017231 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 07:01:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m4DE1msS022201 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 13 May 2008 07:01:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K0T00D0H8B09Q00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.COM); Tue, 13 May 2008 08:01:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sineb-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.19.7]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K0T00NWO8AZ1XD0@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.COM); Tue, 13 May 2008 08:01:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fe-apac-05.sun.com (fe-apac-05.sun.com [192.18.19.176] (may be forged)) by sineb-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m4DE2T1M028556 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 14:02:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-apac.sun.com by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0K0T0070186GAY00@mail-apac.sun.com> (original mail from Steve.Xue@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@Sun.COM (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.COM); Tue, 13 May 2008 22:01:32 +0800 (SGT) Received: from [123.117.89.51] by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0K0T00MUZ8AH9M47@mail-apac.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@Sun.COM (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.COM); Tue, 13 May 2008 22:01:32 +0800 (SGT) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 22:01:45 +0800 From: "steve.xue" Subject: Re: PSARC/2008/315 - autogen and guile In-reply-to: <48299DD1.4090103@sun.com> Sender: Steve.Xue@sun.com To: Brian Utterback Cc: John.Fischer@sun.com, PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <48299F49.30501@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <4828CB3E.8050608@sun.com> <4828CEF2.5010608@sun.com> <482996E2.3010605@sun.com> <48299C0E.1010104@sun.com> <48299DD1.4090103@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) Status: RO Content-Length: 491 Sure, I will try 5.9.3 tomorrow and see if there is major difference from 5.9 or not. Brian Utterback wrote: > Okay, but 5.9.4 shipped 4 months ago. Granted it might have been a > little green at that point, which is why I thought 5.9.3 would have > been the logical choice. > > steve.xue wrote: >> It is because I started this 3 months ago:) >> Brian Utterback wrote: >>> Are you really doing Autogen 5.9, or is this just a rounding error? >>> Why not 5.9.4, or at least 5.9.3? >> > From carlsonj@phorcys.east.sun.com Tue May 13 07:04:52 2008 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m4DE4q0v017526 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 07:04:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m4DE4nal026397; Tue, 13 May 2008 07:04:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K0T004018G13D00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Tue, 13 May 2008 07:04:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com ([129.148.174.143]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K0T00KWW8G01QA0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Tue, 13 May 2008 07:04:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.2+Sun/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4DE4mu4012081; Tue, 13 May 2008 10:04:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from carlsonj@localhost) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.2+Sun/8.14.2/Submit) id m4DE4l6Z012078; Tue, 13 May 2008 10:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 10:04:47 -0400 From: James Carlson Subject: Re: PSARC/2008/315 - autogen and guile In-reply-to: <48299DD1.4090103@sun.com> To: Brian Utterback Cc: "steve.xue" , John.Fischer@sun.com, PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <18473.40959.929406.637342@gargle.gargle.HOWL> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VM 7.01 under Emacs 21.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <4828CB3E.8050608@sun.com> <4828CEF2.5010608@sun.com> <482996E2.3010605@sun.com> <48299C0E.1010104@sun.com> <48299DD1.4090103@sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 785 Brian Utterback writes: > Okay, but 5.9.4 shipped 4 months ago. Granted it might have been a > little green at that point, which is why I thought 5.9.3 would have > been the logical choice. I think that the exact version number may not necessarily be architecturally significant in this instance. As long as the upstream provider follows a rational numbering scheme, and we're not concerned with exposed volatile bits that may cause trouble, I think it'd be appropriate to say "autogen 5.9, or any completely-compatible dot release with minor version 5.9." -- James Carlson, Solaris Networking Sun Microsystems / 35 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677 From kmcdonald@egenera.com Tue May 13 07:16:37 2008 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m4DEGXUX018287 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 07:16:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m4DEGPPG002991; Tue, 13 May 2008 15:16:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K0T00K0V8ZFAI00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Tue, 13 May 2008 07:16:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com ([192.18.98.36]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K0T00B8S8ZEGZ80@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Tue, 13 May 2008 07:16:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay24.sun.com (relay24.sun.com [192.12.251.74] (may be forged)) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m4DE4pBn005077; Tue, 13 May 2008 14:16:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mms24es.sun.com ([150.143.232.74] [150.143.232.74]) by relay24i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-57883; Tue, 13 May 2008 14:16:25 +0000 (Z) Received: from relay24.sun.com (relay24.sun.com [192.12.251.74]) by mms24es.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-47152006; Tue, 13 May 2008 14:16:24 +0000 (Z) Received: from webaccess.egenera.com ([63.139.209.15] [63.139.209.15]) by relay24i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-2180675; Tue, 13 May 2008 14:16:23 +0000 (Z) Received: from [192.168.101.160] ([24.107.237.206]) by webaccess.egenera.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 13 May 2008 10:11:02 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 10:11:23 -0400 From: Kyle McDonald Subject: Re: PSARC/2008/315 - autogen and guile In-reply-to: <48299D21.9050505@sun.com> To: Brian Utterback Cc: Halton Huo , John.Fischer@sun.com, PSARC-ext@sun.com, Irene Huang , steve xue Message-id: <4829A18B.1060506@Egenera.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Antispam: No, score=0.0/5.0, scanned in 1.113sec at (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smf-spamd v1.3.1 - http://smfs.sf.net/ References: <4828CB3E.8050608@sun.com> <4828CEF2.5010608@sun.com> <1210645600.11044.5.camel@goalie> <1210646456.1487.24.camel@judo> <48290540.6050400@sun.com> <1210652244.4506.12.camel@judo> <48299D21.9050505@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 May 2008 14:11:03.0161 (UTC) FILETIME=[2D6B8690:01C8B503] Status: RO Content-Length: 9578 Brian Utterback wrote: > I hesitate to mention this and if everybody agrees that this is not > architecturally or otherwise relevant, I'll shut up, but if you > recall, the GNU readline case (PSARC 2007/188) stalled because GNU > readline is a library licensed under the GPL rather than the LGPL and > thus anything linked with it is likewise under the GPL. So, if guile > links with libguilereadline-v-17.so.17.0.3 (which comes with the guile > source, but is indeed GPL licensed) then despite what the LICENSE file > for guile says, it is not in reality licensed under LGPL, it is > actually bound by the terms of the GPL. So, this presents the same > problem that readline did, namely that a developer may unknowingly end > up with a product that is bound by the GPL. Now, if the whole issue > with readline has been resolved, then great, but I never saw the > resolution. Has it been resolved? > > I thought that shared libraries resolved this, since the 'linking' was done at run time by the end user, and not the distributor. The distributor is, as I understand it the one that is prevented from linking (and then distributing) GPL and non-GPL code. So static linking is out, but dynamic linking should be ok, no? Is that a too simplistic reading of the license? -Kyle > Halton Huo wrote: > >> Hi Steve, >> >> AFAIK, binaries under /usr/bin should have man pages. For autogen, man >> pages are okay. For guile, Only found man page for guile, how about >> other three: guile-snarf, guile-config, guile-tools? >> >> And need these man page files listed in the "Exported Interfaces" form? >> >> When I build guile 1.8.5, I got four more files >> /usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so >> /usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so.17 >> /usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so.17.0.3 >> /usr/lib/pkgconfig/guile-1.8.pc >> >> Do you remove them in purpose? >> >> -Halton. >> >> On Tue, 2008-05-13 at 11:04 +0800, steve xue wrote: >> >>> Halton Huo wrote: >>> >>>> Give a review on this fast track, comments: >>>> >>>> 1. typo >>>> /usr/bin/guile-confi should be /usr/bin/guile-config >>>> 2. no man pages for SUNWguile >>>> community do not have, only have info >>>> 3. no man pages for SUNWautogen >>>> community have >>>> >>>> - >>>> >>> Thanks Halton! >>> >>> I re-sent my materials in this mail, man pages are attached. >>> plain text document attachment (autogen_fasttrack.txt) >>> Summary >>> ======= >>> Autogen[1] is a tool designed to simplify the creation and maintenance of >>> programs that contain large amounts of repetitious text. It is especially >>> valuable in programs that have several blocks of text that must be kept >>> synchronized. >>> >>> This utility can also be called a code generator, which are programs that >>> automatically generate high level code (e.g. C, C++, C#, Java, Perl, Python, >>> Ruby, etc.). These tools range in size and complexity from simple code >>> parsers to fully featured class and tier builders. >>> >>> AutoOpts is bundled with AutoGen. It is a tool that virtually eliminates >>> the hassle of processing options and keeping man pages, info docs and usage >>> text up to date. This package allows you to specify several program attributes, >>> up to a hundred option types and many option attributes. From this, >>> it then produces all the code necessary to parse and handle the command line >>> and configuration file options, and the documentation that should go with >>> your program as well. >>> >>> AutoGen/AutoOpts is a two-part project that serves two separate purposes >>> and are inextricably intertwined. >>> >>> Because the implementation of Autogen used guile[2](GNU's extension >>> language) and guile is not available now in SFW consolidation, so we decide >>> to merge guile porting work together into this case. >>> >>> Guile[2] is a library designed to help programmers create flexible >>> applications. Using Guile in an application allows programmers to write >>> plug-ins or modules so the application fit their needs. >>> >>> Autogen-5.9 will be integrated into the SFW consolidation as part of this >>> proposal, and will be installed as SUNWautogen. >>> >>> Guile-1.8.4 will be integrated into the SFW consolidation as part of this >>> proposal, and will be installed as SUNWguile >>> >>> This project requests a minor release binding. >>> >>> >>> Dependencies >>> ============ >>> >>> libltdl ltdl - GNU libtool dlopen wrapper PSARC/2007/557 >>> libgmp GNU Multiple Precision Arithmetic Library PSARC/2008/166 >>> >>> >>> Interfaces >>> ========== >>> >>> (1) Guile related: >>> >>> Exported Interfaces Classification Comment >>> ------------------- -------------- ------- >>> SUNWguile Uncommitted Package >>> /usr/bin/guile Uncommitted Command >>> /usr/bin/guile-snarf Uncommitted Command >>> /usr/bin/guile-config Uncommitted Command >>> /usr/bin/guile-tools Uncommitted Command >>> >>> /usr/lib/libguile.so Uncommitted Guile library symbol link >>> /usr/lib/libguile.so.17.1.2 Uncommitted Guile library >>> >>> /usr/lib/libguile-srfi-srfi-1-v-3.so.3.0.1 >>> Uncommitted Guile srfi 1 implementation library >>> /usr/lib/libguile-srfi-srfi-1-v-3.so >>> Uncommitted symbol link to >>> Guile srfi 1 implementation library >>> >>> /usr/lib/libguile-srfi-srfi-4-v-3.so.3.0.1 >>> Uncommitted Guile srfi 4 implementation library >>> /usr/lib/libguile-srfi-srfi-4-v-3.so >>> Uncommitted symbol link to >>> Guile srfi 4 implementation library >>> >>> /usr/lib/libguile-srfi-srfi-13-14-v-3.so.3.0.1 >>> Uncommitted Guile srfi 13 and 14 implementation library >>> /usr/lib/libguile-srfi-srfi-13-14-v-3.so >>> Uncommitted symbol link to >>> Guile srfi 13 and 14 implementation library >>> >>> /usr/lib/libguile-srfi-srfi-60-v-2.so.2.0.2 >>> Uncommitted Guile srfi 60 implementation library >>> /usr/lib/libguile-srfi-srfi-60-v-2.so >>> Uncommitted symbol link to >>> Guile srfi 60 implementation library >>> >>> /usr/share/guile/ Project Private Scheme modules >>> >>> /usr/include/libguile.h Uncommitted Header files >>> /usr/include/libguile Uncommitted Header files >>> /usr/include/guile/ Uncommitted Header files >>> >>> Imported Interfaces Classification Comment >>> ------------------- -------------- ------- >>> /usr/lib/libltdl.so Uncommitted PSARC/2007/557 >>> /usr/lib/libgmp.so Committed PSARC/2008/166 >>> >>> (2) Autogen related: >>> >>> Exported Interfaces Classification Comment >>> ------------------- -------------- ------- >>> SUNWautogen Uncommitted Package >>> /usr/bin/autogen Uncommitted Command >>> /usr/bin/autoopts-config Uncommitted Command >>> /usr/bin/columns Uncommitted Command >>> /usr/bin/getdefs Uncommitted Command >>> /usr/bin/xml2ag Uncommitted Command >>> >>> /usr/lib/libguileopts.so Uncommitted Libguileopts library symbol >>> link >>> /usr/lib/libguileopts.so.0.0.1 >>> Uncommitted Libguileopts library >>> >>> /usr/share/autogen/ Uncommitted Templates can be used as autogen command arguments >>> >>> /usr/lib/libopts.so.25.3.0 >>> Uncommitted Library used by libguileopts.so and autogen >>> >>> /usr/include/autoopts/ Uncommitted Header files >>> >>> Imported Interfaces Classification Comment >>> ------------------- -------------- ------- >>> /usr/lib/libguile.so Uncommitted Guile library symbol link >>> >>> >>> Reference Documents >>> =================== >>> [1] http://www.gnu.org/software/autogen/ >>> [2] http://www.gnu.org/software/guile/ >>> >>> RFE ID# 6672584 for autogen >>> RFE ID# 6672583 for guile >>> plain text document attachment (guile.1.txt) >>> >>> >>> User Commands guile(1) >>> >>> >>> >>> NAME >>> guile - a library designed to help programmers create flexi- >>> ble applications >>> >>> SYNOPSIS >>> /usr/bin/guile [OPTION]... >>> >>> DESCRIPTION >>> Using Guile in an application allows programmers to write >>> plug-ins, or modules (there are many names, but the concept >>> is essentially the same) and users to use them to have an >>> application fit their needs. >>> >>> For additional information on using guile, see the Info for- >>> mat documentation by running the following command from your >>> shell: >>> /usr/sfw/bin/info guile >>> >>> guile is provided for developers who are working on software >>> that has already adopted it. However, it is not recom- >>> mended that guile be used when developing new software pro- >>> jects. >>> >>> ATTRIBUTES >>> See attributes(5) for descriptions of the following attri- >>> butes: >>> >>> _______________________________________ >>> | ATTRIBUTE TYPE | ATTRIBUTE VALUE| >>> |_______________________________________ >>> | Availability | SUNWguile | >>> |_______________________________________ >>> | Interface Stability| Uncommitted | >>> |____________________|_________________| >>> >>> NOTES >>> Source for guile is available on http://opensolaris.org. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> SunOS 5.10 Last change: 08 Mar 2008 1 >>> >>> >>> >>> > > From Darren.Moffat@Sun.COM Tue May 13 07:26:42 2008 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m4DEQfap018815 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 07:26:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m4DEQdmg007566 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 13 May 2008 15:26:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K0T00E119GEYM00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 13 May 2008 08:26:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gmp-eb-inf-1.sun.com ([192.18.6.21]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K0T00D5M9G9YR10@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 13 May 2008 08:26:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fe-emea-09.sun.com (gmp-eb-lb-2-fe3.eu.sun.com [192.18.6.12]) by gmp-eb-inf-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m4DEQWis008219 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 14:26:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-emea-09.sun.com by fe-emea-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K0T00E018M6VM00@fe-emea-09.sun.com> (original mail from Darren.Moffat@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 13 May 2008 15:26:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from [129.156.173.21] by fe-emea-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K0T00B0E9G0C520@fe-emea-09.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 13 May 2008 15:26:25 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 15:26:24 +0100 From: Darren J Moffat Subject: Re: PSARC/2008/315 - autogen and guile In-reply-to: <4829A18B.1060506@Egenera.COM> Sender: Darren.Moffat@Sun.COM To: Kyle McDonald Cc: Brian Utterback , John.Fischer@Sun.COM, PSARC-ext@Sun.COM, Irene Huang , Halton Huo , steve xue Message-id: <4829A510.8040307@Sun.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <4828CB3E.8050608@sun.com> <4828CEF2.5010608@sun.com> <1210645600.11044.5.camel@goalie> <1210646456.1487.24.camel@judo> <48290540.6050400@sun.com> <1210652244.4506.12.camel@judo> <48299D21.9050505@sun.com> <4829A18B.1060506@Egenera.COM> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (X11/20080326) Status: RO Content-Length: 673 Kyle McDonald wrote: > I thought that shared libraries resolved this, since the 'linking' was > done at run time by the end user, and not the distributor. The > distributor is, as I understand it the one that is prevented from > linking (and then distributing) GPL and non-GPL code. So static linking > is out, but dynamic linking should be ok, no? > > Is that a too simplistic reading of the license? Yes it is to simplistic a view unfortunately. However this is no the place (the ARC aliases are not for license interpretation discussion) and I am not the person (I am not a lawyer or otherwise sufficiently trained) to explain to you why. -- Darren J Moffat From brian.utterback@Sun.COM Tue May 13 07:31:58 2008 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m4DEVww3018958 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 07:31:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m4DEVuE8001929 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 13 May 2008 07:31:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K0T00L0N9P9R000@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 13 May 2008 07:31:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm-east-01.east.sun.com ([129.148.9.192]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K0T00BYW9P8GS80@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 13 May 2008 07:31:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [129.148.226.12] (sr1-unsh01-02.East.Sun.COM [129.148.226.12]) by dm-east-01.east.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m4DEVqbL056301; Tue, 13 May 2008 10:31:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 10:31:52 -0400 From: Brian Utterback Subject: Re: PSARC/2008/315 - autogen and guile In-reply-to: <4829A18B.1060506@Egenera.COM> To: Kyle McDonald Cc: Halton Huo , John.Fischer@Sun.COM, PSARC-ext@Sun.COM, Irene Huang , steve xue Message-id: <4829A658.4000704@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <4828CB3E.8050608@sun.com> <4828CEF2.5010608@sun.com> <1210645600.11044.5.camel@goalie> <1210646456.1487.24.camel@judo> <48290540.6050400@sun.com> <1210652244.4506.12.camel@judo> <48299D21.9050505@sun.com> <4829A18B.1060506@Egenera.COM> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.15pre (X11/20080427) Status: RO Content-Length: 2527 Kyle McDonald wrote: > Brian Utterback wrote: >> I hesitate to mention this and if everybody agrees that this is not >> architecturally or otherwise relevant, I'll shut up, but if you >> recall, the GNU readline case (PSARC 2007/188) stalled because GNU >> readline is a library licensed under the GPL rather than the LGPL and >> thus anything linked with it is likewise under the GPL. So, if guile >> links with libguilereadline-v-17.so.17.0.3 (which comes with the guile >> source, but is indeed GPL licensed) then despite what the LICENSE file >> for guile says, it is not in reality licensed under LGPL, it is >> actually bound by the terms of the GPL. So, this presents the same >> problem that readline did, namely that a developer may unknowingly end >> up with a product that is bound by the GPL. Now, if the whole issue >> with readline has been resolved, then great, but I never saw the >> resolution. Has it been resolved? >> >> > I thought that shared libraries resolved this, since the 'linking' was > done at run time by the end user, and not the distributor. The > distributor is, as I understand it the one that is prevented from > linking (and then distributing) GPL and non-GPL code. So static linking > is out, but dynamic linking should be ok, no? > > Is that a too simplistic reading of the license? > > -Kyle I think this is true for the LGPL, but we are talking about the GPL here. I found the original conversation between the guile developers and Richard Stallman, and the very reason that the separate libguile-readline library was created was that there are some uses of guile that do not use readline and some that do, and they wanted the ability to build it without readline and thus license guile via the LGPL and at the same time be able to build it with readline and have it bound by the GPL. It is clear from the discussion, that those involved believe that when built with libguile-readline, that the resultant binaries are GPL licensed and viral. I found it kind of funny reading the thread because lately it seems that it is inflammatory to call a license "viral", but Stallman and the developers actually say that the GPL "infecting" the programs is exactly their desired outcome. -- blu There are two rules in life: Rule 1- Don't tell people everything you know ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian Utterback - Solaris RPE, Sun Microsystems, Inc. Ph:877-259-7345, Em:brian.utterback-at-ess-you-enn-dot-kom From brian.utterback@sun.com Tue May 13 07:42:03 2008 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m4DEg2NE019029 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 07:42:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m4DEg07Z020196 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 13 May 2008 22:42:01 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K0T0050BA60KK00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 13 May 2008 07:42:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm-east-01.east.sun.com ([129.148.9.192]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K0T00K54A5X1OC0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 13 May 2008 07:41:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [129.148.226.12] (sr1-unsh01-02.East.Sun.COM [129.148.226.12]) by dm-east-01.east.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m4DEfqA5060348; Tue, 13 May 2008 10:41:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 10:41:52 -0400 From: Brian Utterback Subject: Re: PSARC/2008/315 - autogen and guile In-reply-to: <4829A510.8040307@Sun.COM> To: Darren J Moffat Cc: Kyle McDonald , John.Fischer@sun.com, PSARC-ext@sun.com, Irene Huang , Halton Huo , steve xue Message-id: <4829A8B0.9030301@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <4828CB3E.8050608@sun.com> <4828CEF2.5010608@sun.com> <1210645600.11044.5.camel@goalie> <1210646456.1487.24.camel@judo> <48290540.6050400@sun.com> <1210652244.4506.12.camel@judo> <48299D21.9050505@sun.com> <4829A18B.1060506@Egenera.COM> <4829A510.8040307@Sun.COM> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.15pre (X11/20080427) Status: RO Content-Length: 1230 Darren J Moffat wrote: > Kyle McDonald wrote: >> I thought that shared libraries resolved this, since the 'linking' was >> done at run time by the end user, and not the distributor. The >> distributor is, as I understand it the one that is prevented from >> linking (and then distributing) GPL and non-GPL code. So static >> linking is out, but dynamic linking should be ok, no? >> >> Is that a too simplistic reading of the license? > > Yes it is to simplistic a view unfortunately. However this is no the > place (the ARC aliases are not for license interpretation discussion) > and I am not the person (I am not a lawyer or otherwise sufficiently > trained) to explain to you why. > Okay, if the world hasn't changed, then I think it is enough to just note the issue and move on. But when this is submitted to the open source review it should definitely be noted there so that the lawyers actually do get a chance to knowingly figure it out. -- blu There are two rules in life: Rule 1- Don't tell people everything you know ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian Utterback - Solaris RPE, Sun Microsystems, Inc. Ph:877-259-7345, Em:brian.utterback-at-ess-you-enn-dot-kom From danek.duvall@Sun.COM Tue May 13 08:12:02 2008 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m4DFC1tQ020191 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 08:12:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m4DFBlRm002213 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@Sun.COM>; Tue, 13 May 2008 23:12:00 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K0T00603BJZH100@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@Sun.COM (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.COM); Tue, 13 May 2008 08:11:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm-sfbay-02.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.11.31]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K0T00KHYBJZ1OE0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@Sun.COM (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.COM); Tue, 13 May 2008 08:11:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zruty.sfbay.sun.com (zruty.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.168.40]) by dm-sfbay-02.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m4DFBvbi029210; Tue, 13 May 2008 08:11:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zruty.sfbay.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zruty.sfbay.sun.com (8.14.2+Sun/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4DFBv9J013792; Tue, 13 May 2008 08:11:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dduvall@localhost) by zruty.sfbay.sun.com (8.14.2+Sun/8.14.2/Submit) id m4DFBvsb013791; Tue, 13 May 2008 08:11:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 08:11:57 -0700 From: Danek Duvall Subject: Re: PSARC/2008/315 - autogen and guile In-reply-to: <1210667652.4506.45.camel@judo> To: Halton Huo Cc: steve xue , Irene Huang , John.Fischer@Sun.COM, PSARC-ext@Sun.COM Message-id: <20080513151157.GG29912@zruty.sfbay.sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Content-disposition: inline X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <4828CEF2.5010608@sun.com> <1210645600.11044.5.camel@goalie> <1210646456.1487.24.camel@judo> <48290540.6050400@sun.com> <1210652244.4506.12.camel@judo> <48291C95.5000202@sun.com> <1210657333.4506.16.camel@judo> <48292A9C.7020905@sun.com> <20080513063259.GF29912@zruty.sfbay.sun.com> <1210667652.4506.45.camel@judo> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-27) Status: RO Content-Length: 720 On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 04:34:12PM +0800, Halton Huo wrote: > I'm okay to not shipping it. Seems libguilereadline is different > between mine and yours. > > My libguilereadline is not link against readline, > $file /usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so.17.0.3 > /usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so.17.0.3: ELF 32-bit LSB dynamic lib > 80386 Version 1, dynamically linked, not stripped > > Strange thing is when I run > 'ldd /usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so.17.0.3', there is no depend on > libs. Okay. The ldd output Steve sent me a while back included libreadline in the ldd output. It doesn't really matter much to the ARC whether you're linking with readline or not -- it's purely a legal issue. Danek From Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de Tue May 13 08:14:21 2008 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m4DFELCn020333 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 08:14:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m4DFEF8C001731; Tue, 13 May 2008 09:14:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K0T0062DBNSJ700@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Tue, 13 May 2008 08:14:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.98.31]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K0T00KZLBNR1ED0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Tue, 13 May 2008 08:14:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay16i.sun.com (ip126.net129179-4.block1.us.syntegra.com [129.179.4.126]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m4DF58Fo019806; Tue, 13 May 2008 15:14:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mmp13es.sun.com ([160.41.209.23] [160.41.209.23]) by relay16i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-44754; Tue, 13 May 2008 15:14:14 +0000 (Z) Received: from relay12i.sun.com (relay12i.sun.com [129.179.4.122]) by mmp13es.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-13676; Tue, 13 May 2008 15:14:13 +0000 (Z) Received: from mailgw1.fraunhofer.de ([153.96.1.17] [153.96.1.17]) by relay1i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-584340; Tue, 13 May 2008 15:14:13 +0000 (Z) Received: from mailgw1.fraunhofer.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw1.fraunhofer.de[host mailgw22] (8.14.2+/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4DF6g43026506; Tue, 13 May 2008 17:06:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de [195.37.77.164]) by mailgw1.fraunhofer.de (8.14.2+/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4DF6fum026497 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 May 2008 17:06:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de (bohr [10.147.9.231]) by pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (8.13.7/8.13.7) with SMTP id m4DF6fMw016158; Tue, 13 May 2008 17:06:41 +0200 (MEST) Received: from rigel ([10.147.65.195]) by EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 13 May 2008 17:06:41 +0200 Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 17:06:41 +0200 From: Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Subject: Re: PSARC/2008/315 - autogen and guile In-reply-to: <20080513063259.GF29912@zruty.sfbay.sun.com> To: Steve.Xue@sun.com, danek.duvall@sun.com Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, John.Fischer@sun.com, Irene.Huang@sun.com, Halton.Huo@sun.com Message-id: <4829ae81.n6XMK/LsNUbup1yO%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Fraunhofer-Email-Policy: accepted X-Antispam: No, score=0.0/5.0, scanned in 1.186sec at (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smf-spamd v1.3.1 - http://smfs.sf.net/ References: <4828CB3E.8050608@sun.com> <4828CEF2.5010608@sun.com> <1210645600.11044.5.camel@goalie> <1210646456.1487.24.camel@judo> <48290540.6050400@sun.com> <1210652244.4506.12.camel@judo> <48291C95.5000202@sun.com> <1210657333.4506.16.camel@judo> <48292A9C.7020905@sun.com> <20080513063259.GF29912@zruty.sfbay.sun.com> User-Agent: nail 11.22 3/20/05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 May 2008 15:06:41.0412 (UTC) FILETIME=[F32C3440:01C8B50A] Status: RO Content-Length: 1112 Danek Duvall wrote: > On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 01:43:56PM +0800, steve xue wrote: > > > Danek found this also, he mentioned that since libguilereadline will be > > shipped here that will have some potential risk about being conflict to > > some future individual 'readline' library porting. > > It wasn't so much that there was a conflict, just that libguilereadline > links against the readline library, which we don't (currently) ship. So > there's not much point in shipping libguilereadline, either. Though > readline could be linked in statically until such time as we make a dynamic > readline library available. If this is a license related problem, then there is no difference between static and dynamic linking. The GPL just disallows GPLd code to be "used" by non-GPL code. Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From John.Fischer@Sun.COM Tue May 13 08:55:14 2008 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m4DFtDcp021446 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 08:55:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m4DFsnwQ017306 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 13 May 2008 23:55:12 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K0T00L1BDJW0600@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 13 May 2008 09:55:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.43.132]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K0T00DLNDJUZ870@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 13 May 2008 09:55:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-09.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m4DFt6jP009390 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 08:55:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-09.sun.com by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K0T00M01D3BLX00@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> (original mail from John.Fischer@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 13 May 2008 08:55:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.10.10] ([76.20.56.47]) by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K0T000LXDJPG9D0@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 13 May 2008 08:55:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 08:54:55 -0700 From: John Fischer Subject: Re: PSARC/2008/315 - autogen and guile In-reply-to: <48290540.6050400@sun.com> Sender: John.Fischer@Sun.COM To: steve xue Cc: Halton Huo , Irene Huang , PSARC-ext@Sun.COM Reply-to: John.Fischer@Sun.COM Message-id: <4829B9CF.10500@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <4828CB3E.8050608@sun.com> <4828CEF2.5010608@sun.com> <1210645600.11044.5.camel@goalie> <1210646456.1487.24.camel@judo> <48290540.6050400@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (X11/20070622) Status: RO Content-Length: 785 Just an FYI (For your information) the case directory already had the fast track document and the various man pages within the case directory. Since the project team provided me with the man pages I assumed that they would be shipping them. Steve, Are you supplying the man pages in the SVr4 package that you originally included within the materials that you sent to me? Thanks, John steve xue wrote: > Halton Huo wrote: >> Give a review on this fast track, comments: >> >> 1. typo >> /usr/bin/guile-confi should be /usr/bin/guile-config >> 2. no man pages for SUNWguile >> community do not have, only have info >> 3. no man pages for SUNWautogen >> community have >> >> - > Thanks Halton! > > I re-sent my materials in this mail, man pages are attached. > From Darren.Moffat@Sun.COM Tue May 13 09:03:30 2008 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m4DG3Trr022192 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 09:03:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m4DG3Nrl020969 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Wed, 14 May 2008 00:03:29 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K0T00L0JDXQJH00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 13 May 2008 10:03:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gmp-eb-inf-1.sun.com ([192.18.6.21]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K0T00DYNDXPZ970@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 13 May 2008 10:03:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fe-emea-09.sun.com (gmp-eb-lb-2-fe2.eu.sun.com [192.18.6.11]) by gmp-eb-inf-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m4DG3PDh022640 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 16:03:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-emea-09.sun.com by fe-emea-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K0T00301DXGUY00@fe-emea-09.sun.com> (original mail from Darren.Moffat@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 13 May 2008 17:03:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from [129.156.173.21] by fe-emea-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K0T00BDNDXKC520@fe-emea-09.sun.com>; Tue, 13 May 2008 17:03:21 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 17:03:19 +0100 From: Darren J Moffat Subject: Re: PSARC/2008/315 - autogen and guile In-reply-to: <20080513151157.GG29912@zruty.sfbay.sun.com> Sender: Darren.Moffat@Sun.COM To: Danek Duvall Cc: Halton Huo , John.Fischer@Sun.COM, PSARC-ext@Sun.COM, Irene Huang , steve xue Message-id: <4829BBC7.6040606@Sun.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <4828CEF2.5010608@sun.com> <1210645600.11044.5.camel@goalie> <1210646456.1487.24.camel@judo> <48290540.6050400@sun.com> <1210652244.4506.12.camel@judo> <48291C95.5000202@sun.com> <1210657333.4506.16.camel@judo> <48292A9C.7020905@sun.com> <20080513063259.GF29912@zruty.sfbay.sun.com> <1210667652.4506.45.camel@judo> <20080513151157.GG29912@zruty.sfbay.sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (X11/20080326) Status: RO Content-Length: 917 Danek Duvall wrote: > On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 04:34:12PM +0800, Halton Huo wrote: > >> I'm okay to not shipping it. Seems libguilereadline is different >> between mine and yours. >> >> My libguilereadline is not link against readline, >> $file /usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so.17.0.3 >> /usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so.17.0.3: ELF 32-bit LSB dynamic lib >> 80386 Version 1, dynamically linked, not stripped >> >> Strange thing is when I run >> 'ldd /usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so.17.0.3', there is no depend on >> libs. > > Okay. The ldd output Steve sent me a while back included libreadline in > the ldd output. > > It doesn't really matter much to the ARC whether you're linking with > readline or not -- it's purely a legal issue. It does matter to the ARC though that there is no case to import libreadline from and it doesn't actually exist as a library to import. -- Darren J Moffat From Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de Tue May 13 09:05:00 2008 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m4DG4xYH022377 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 09:05:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m4DG4lUV021848; Wed, 14 May 2008 00:04:55 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K0T00737E03Z800@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Tue, 13 May 2008 09:04:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com ([192.18.98.36]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K0T007KRE013420@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Tue, 13 May 2008 09:04:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay16i.sun.com (ip126.net129179-4.block1.us.syntegra.com [129.179.4.126]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m4DG28lh027323; Tue, 13 May 2008 16:04:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mmp12es.sun.com ([160.41.209.22] [160.41.209.22]) by relay16i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-47514; Tue, 13 May 2008 16:04:49 +0000 (Z) Received: from relay15i.sun.com (relay15i.sun.com [129.179.4.125]) by mmp12es.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-21929687; Tue, 13 May 2008 16:04:49 +0000 (Z) Received: from mailgw1.fraunhofer.de ([153.96.1.17] [153.96.1.17]) by relay1ib.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-565512; Tue, 13 May 2008 16:04:49 +0000 (Z) Received: from mailgw1.fraunhofer.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw1.fraunhofer.de[host mailgw26] (8.14.2+/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4DFvAp5007393; Tue, 13 May 2008 17:57:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de [195.37.77.164]) by mailgw1.fraunhofer.de (8.14.2+/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4DFvAJc007387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 May 2008 17:57:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de (bohr [10.147.9.231]) by pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (8.13.7/8.13.7) with SMTP id m4DFvABS018447; Tue, 13 May 2008 17:57:10 +0200 (MEST) Received: from rigel ([10.147.65.195]) by EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 13 May 2008 17:57:10 +0200 Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 17:57:10 +0200 From: Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Subject: Re: PSARC/2008/315 - autogen and guile In-reply-to: <4829A18B.1060506@Egenera.COM> To: KMcDonald@egenera.com, brian.utterback@sun.com Cc: Steve.Xue@sun.com, PSARC-ext@sun.com, John.Fischer@sun.com, Irene.Huang@sun.com, Halton.Huo@sun.com Message-id: <4829ba56./rApTIHJGUgFkg96%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Fraunhofer-Email-Policy: accepted X-Antispam: No, score=0.0/5.0, scanned in 0.093sec at (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smf-spamd v1.3.1 - http://smfs.sf.net/ References: <4828CB3E.8050608@sun.com> <4828CEF2.5010608@sun.com> <1210645600.11044.5.camel@goalie> <1210646456.1487.24.camel@judo> <48290540.6050400@sun.com> <1210652244.4506.12.camel@judo> <48299D21.9050505@sun.com> <4829A18B.1060506@Egenera.COM> User-Agent: nail 11.22 3/20/05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 May 2008 15:57:10.0490 (UTC) FILETIME=[00A4D3A0:01C8B512] Status: RO Content-Length: 2176 Kyle McDonald wrote: > I thought that shared libraries resolved this, since the 'linking' was > done at run time by the end user, and not the distributor. The > distributor is, as I understand it the one that is prevented from > linking (and then distributing) GPL and non-GPL code. So static linking > is out, but dynamic linking should be ok, no? > > Is that a too simplistic reading of the license? Yes, it is a too simplistic reading of the license: In order to understand the intention of the GPL, you first need to know when dynamic linking has been introduced and when the GPLv2 has been written. Dynamic linking on SunOS has been introduced around 1988 - at that time, SunOS based machines have been the major development platform for the FSF/GNU people. The GPLv2 has been written around 1992 - this is definitely some time after dynamic linking has been introduced. The GPLv2 text thus has been written in full knowledge of dynamic linking. For a legal case, only the original GPLv2 license text would be of interest and this text does (intentionally) not discriminate between dynamic and static linking. It uses different ("work" based) terms to describe what't allowed and what not. GPLv2 §2 b) says: b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third parties under the terms of this License. and thus "using"/"calling" an interface from a GPLd "work" could be interpreted as creating a "derived work". As a note for completness: the reverse direction: "GPLd work calls non-GPL code" is not affected by the GPLv2. This has been done to intentionally allow to distribute binaries from GPLd code for closed source platforms such as HP-UX or AIX. Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From Nicolas.Williams@sun.com Tue May 13 09:07:52 2008 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m4DG7qol022482 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 09:07:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m4DG7lQp006846; Tue, 13 May 2008 09:07:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K0T00801E4Z3600@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Tue, 13 May 2008 09:07:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from binky.Central.Sun.COM ([129.153.128.104]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K0T007EUE4Z3920@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Tue, 13 May 2008 09:07:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from binky.Central.Sun.COM (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by binky.Central.Sun.COM (8.14.1+Sun/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4DG7hD4025484; Tue, 13 May 2008 11:07:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from nw141292@localhost) by binky.Central.Sun.COM (8.14.1+Sun/8.14.1/Submit) id m4DG7hmV025483; Tue, 13 May 2008 11:07:43 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 11:07:43 -0500 From: Nicolas Williams Subject: Re: PSARC/2008/315 - autogen and guile In-reply-to: <4829BBC7.6040606@Sun.COM> To: Darren J Moffat Cc: Danek Duvall , Halton Huo , John.Fischer@sun.com, PSARC-ext@sun.com, Irene Huang , steve xue Mail-followup-to: Darren J Moffat , Danek Duvall , Halton Huo , John.Fischer@sun.com, PSARC-ext@sun.com, Irene Huang , steve xue Message-id: <20080513160743.GC13552@Sun.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <1210646456.1487.24.camel@judo> <48290540.6050400@sun.com> <1210652244.4506.12.camel@judo> <48291C95.5000202@sun.com> <1210657333.4506.16.camel@judo> <48292A9C.7020905@sun.com> <20080513063259.GF29912@zruty.sfbay.sun.com> <1210667652.4506.45.camel@judo> <20080513151157.GG29912@zruty.sfbay.sun.com> <4829BBC7.6040606@Sun.COM> X-Authentication-warning: binky.Central.Sun.COM: nw141292 set sender to Nicolas.Williams@sun.com using -f User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i Status: RO Content-Length: 738 On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 05:03:19PM +0100, Darren J Moffat wrote: > It does matter to the ARC though that there is no case to import > libreadline from and it doesn't actually exist as a library to import. It does exist as a static library to import from in the SFW consolidation. The SFW c-team makes sure that noone uses it. But yes, the lack of an ARC case that makes libreadline an interface that can be imported makes its use by guile an ARC issue. I hope eventually we get to where license issues and what not are simply not discussed here, provided that the submitter notes that the OSR process is being followed. Unless a given license issue rises to the level of an architectural issue (IMO that can happen, just not here). From jek3@Sun.COM Tue May 13 12:18:18 2008 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m4DJIImD002085 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 12:18:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m4DJIG5W006581; Tue, 13 May 2008 12:18:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K0T00A0BMYFRX00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Tue, 13 May 2008 13:18:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.17.63]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K0T005KMMYEXV40@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Tue, 13 May 2008 13:18:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [129.150.13.200] (vpn-129-150-13-200.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.150.13.200]) by jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com (8.14.2+Sun/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4DJIDjx682593; Tue, 13 May 2008 12:18:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 09:19:45 -1000 From: Joseph Kowalski Subject: Re: PSARC/2008/315 - autogen and guile In-reply-to: <48299852.1080100@Sun.Com> To: John Plocher Cc: Halton Huo , John.Fischer@Sun.COM, PSARC-ext@Sun.COM, Irene Huang , Steve.Xue@Sun.COM Message-id: <4829E9D1.6060409@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <4828CB3E.8050608@sun.com> <4828CEF2.5010608@sun.com> <1210645600.11044.5.camel@goalie> <1210646456.1487.24.camel@judo> <4829066E.7020901@sun.com> <4829179F.30507@Sun.Com> <4829598F.4000103@sun.com> <48299852.1080100@Sun.Com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20080225) Status: RO Content-Length: 2696 John Plocher wrote: > Joseph Kowalski wrote: >> Read what I wrote. (and I'll try to provide more details that anybody >> should be able to understand). > >> As ARC coordinator, you should not be surprised about this. > > Thank you, Joe. > > I know the answer, and the rest of the ARC members probably have > some clue, but I guarantee that nobody outside of the ARC has much > clue as to what you mean when you say "FOSS Guidelines". Especially > with all the tangential discussions going on in the background. > > Instead of doing a "drive by ARC shooting", we all need to get > into the habit of explicitly tying our cryptic ARC comments back > to explicit instructions to the project teams. > > The difference between your original email and this one is that, > with this one, the project team knows exactly what they need to do > to move the case forward. Without this level of detail, all they > know is that they are stuck and have no idea what to do next to > satisfy the request. > > -John > Thank you, John. If the intent was to educate, or prod me into doing so, why did you ask a number of questions for which you now claim claim to know the answer? Talk about "a drive by ARC shooting". We all can educate, hopefully with constructive and unambiguous prose. The case I referenced was one of the cases which was initially selected for open exposure. It was explicitly made available early while we spent time "cleaning up" the relevant history generated while we were "closed". There were about a dozen such cases initially selected. If this requirement isn't well advertised on the OpenSolaris website, it should be. I'm not sure of the responsibility here. I'll also make the pretty good guess that the relative c-teams (ON/SFW) know about this requirement. Of course, my tone was invoked by: > Case gets told to go fetch an "info to man converter" rock? You know this not to be true and is disinformation to any unfamiliar readers. I wonder who many of those you claim to be help educate were left wondering if this was a rhetorical question or not. If they were wondering, perhaps they were also worried about how much work they were about to be asked for. More importantly, it reads more than a little pejorative to those who have worked very hard to require as little as possible (in this area) while still advertising the OpenSolaris specific information (the ATTRIBUTES) and the UNIX (not necessarily Linux) expectation that the man command is the first avenue to search for documentation. Next time, can I suggest a response more on the order of: "Joe, for the unfamiliar, could you elaborate on what you mean by 'vestigial man pages'". - jek3 From jek3@sun.com Tue May 13 12:54:06 2008 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m4DJs58i002974 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 12:54:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m4DJrwNV009748; Tue, 13 May 2008 20:54:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K0T0082ROLY6N00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Tue, 13 May 2008 12:53:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.17.63]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K0T006W2OLXUX00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Tue, 13 May 2008 12:53:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [129.150.13.200] (vpn-129-150-13-200.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.150.13.200]) by jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com (8.14.2+Sun/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4DJruiA687218; Tue, 13 May 2008 12:53:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 09:55:28 -1000 From: Joseph Kowalski Subject: Re: PSARC/2008/315 - autogen and guile In-reply-to: <4829E9D1.6060409@sun.com> To: John Plocher Cc: Halton Huo , John.Fischer@sun.com, PSARC-ext@sun.com, Irene Huang , Steve.Xue@sun.com Message-id: <4829F230.30106@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <4828CB3E.8050608@sun.com> <4828CEF2.5010608@sun.com> <1210645600.11044.5.camel@goalie> <1210646456.1487.24.camel@judo> <4829066E.7020901@sun.com> <4829179F.30507@Sun.Com> <4829598F.4000103@sun.com> <48299852.1080100@Sun.Com> <4829E9D1.6060409@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20080225) Status: RO Content-Length: 1223 Two observations about the "readline" discussion: 1) As many have observed, this is a legal issue, but it is important that the ARC members (and all the lurkers too!) flag any legal concerns. We should not provide our interpretations of the law, but it is very important that we flag those concerns to the lawyers. 2) We have a case pending (for over a year now) for GNU readline: 2007/188 GNU readline Dermot McCluskey open waiting need spec 04/11/2007 John Fischer Its an interesting case. There is a lot of discussion about using the bsd version as a base, but it seems there are some minor compatibility issues. Perhaps the last entry in the mail log sums it up: > They require further clarification and expansion, but the expectation > is that the guidelines will be approved once this is complete. The > earliest this can happen in May 4, but will probably be later. > > So, does the readline case have to be parked, pending full approval > from Legal of the new guidelines? Just for the interested, that's a reference to May 2007. :-) - jek3 From John.Plocher@Sun.COM Tue May 13 14:08:40 2008 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m4DL8dsV006548 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 14:08:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m4DL8bhw011009 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 13 May 2008 22:08:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K0T00I0NS2DZD00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.COM); Tue, 13 May 2008 15:08:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.43.133]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K0T00585S2DXQC0@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.COM); Tue, 13 May 2008 15:08:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m4DL8b2Q008618 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 14:08:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K0T00B01RTVX200@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> (original mail from John.Plocher@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@Sun.COM (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.COM); Tue, 13 May 2008 14:08:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wp668.SFBay.Sun.COM ([129.146.226.219]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K0T001CPS210VE0@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com>; Tue, 13 May 2008 14:08:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 14:08:24 -0700 From: John Plocher Subject: Re: PSARC/2008/315 - autogen and guile In-reply-to: <4829E9D1.6060409@sun.com> Sender: John.Plocher@Sun.COM To: Joseph Kowalski Cc: Halton Huo , John.Fischer@Sun.COM, PSARC-ext@Sun.COM, Irene Huang , Steve.Xue@Sun.COM Message-id: <482A0348.7070606@Sun.Com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <4828CB3E.8050608@sun.com> <4828CEF2.5010608@sun.com> <1210645600.11044.5.camel@goalie> <1210646456.1487.24.camel@judo> <4829066E.7020901@sun.com> <4829179F.30507@Sun.Com> <4829598F.4000103@sun.com> <48299852.1080100@Sun.Com> <4829E9D1.6060409@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) Status: RO Content-Length: 1853 Joseph Kowalski wrote: > If the intent was to educate, or prod me into doing so, why did > you ask a number of questions for which you now claim claim > to know the answer? Yes, I should/could have phrased things better - sorry - my hindsight is slowly getting to be as good as yours, but my real-time delivery still sucks :-) While I could have taken a stab at providing details for each of my points, it was unclear to me what specifically you were driving at with your "as per our FOSS integration process" reference. The problem is that our FOSS integration process is in shambles. Much of 1999/555 and 2000/488 were rendered moot when 2005/185 came thru. Even the minimal expectations in the interface taxonomy (Security, Authentication, File System Semantics and yes, even Man Pages) have also been whittled away bit by bit by recent ARC cases. I don't believe we *want* to bloat our existing source trees with hundreds or thousands of harvested FOSS projects like these. They don't belong there simply because we (the community) aren't the right people to claim that implied level of ownership. We aren't forking these projects; we aren't rewriting them to be part of the (open)solaris ABI, we are only trying to make them available to our consumers without adding much incremental cost and without changing them. The corollary of the above is that because we don't have any intent to make these things part of (Open)Solaris, the rules associated with making things part of (Open)Solaris are suspect. Thus my open ended questions to you - given the state of the FOSS guidelines, the apparent intent of both these projects to be there for our customers, but not be part of the core OS, as well as the ongoing conversations about a future repo based ecosystem, what FOSS Integration rules make sense for projects like these? -John From jek3@sun.com Tue May 13 14:47:51 2008 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m4DLlpHo007744 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 14:47:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m4DLln9g013927; Tue, 13 May 2008 14:47:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K0T00L01TVPLL00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Tue, 13 May 2008 14:47:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.17.63]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K0T00JFITVOQD30@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Tue, 13 May 2008 14:47:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [129.150.13.200] (vpn-129-150-13-200.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.150.13.200]) by jurassic-x4600.sfbay.sun.com (8.14.2+Sun/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m4DLllWd711366; Tue, 13 May 2008 14:47:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 11:49:20 -1000 From: Joseph Kowalski Subject: Re: PSARC/2008/315 - autogen and guile In-reply-to: <482A0348.7070606@Sun.Com> To: John Plocher Cc: Halton Huo , John.Fischer@sun.com, PSARC-ext@sun.com, Irene Huang , Steve.Xue@sun.com Message-id: <482A0CE0.70307@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <4828CB3E.8050608@sun.com> <4828CEF2.5010608@sun.com> <1210645600.11044.5.camel@goalie> <1210646456.1487.24.camel@judo> <4829066E.7020901@sun.com> <4829179F.30507@Sun.Com> <4829598F.4000103@sun.com> <48299852.1080100@Sun.Com> <4829E9D1.6060409@sun.com> <482A0348.7070606@Sun.Com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20080225) Status: RO Content-Length: 1303 John Plocher wrote: > Thus my open ended questions to you - given the state of the FOSS > guidelines, the apparent intent of both these projects to be > there for our customers, but not be part of the core OS, as well > as the ongoing conversations about a future repo based ecosystem, > what FOSS Integration rules make sense for projects like these? When we have a "future repo based system", we can have that discussion. For now, we have the BWOS (Big Wad of Stuff in Sun parlance). My personal view about this particular issue is that we need to maintain the ability to communicate to all users (not just administrators) as to the "stability level" for all items (and we are caught with the existing practice of "if not stated, its committed"). The man pages seem like the obvious place. Basically, if its not broken, don't fix it. It could actually be a place where OpenSolaris exceeds over its competition. One stop shopping (at least for maps) is a GoodThing(tm). I don't think this bit of the "FOSS guidelines" needs to be changed. Your broader point is a good one, that a number of these "guidelines" do need to be reconsidered. However, it doesn't seem wise to assume any reconsideration until it actually happens. What if our initial (or personal) assumptions are wrong? - jek3 From Brian.Utterback@sun.com Tue May 13 17:24:58 2008 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m4E0OwqA014742 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 17:24:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m4E0Ovng023980 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 13 May 2008 17:24:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K0U00E0915MZT00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 13 May 2008 17:24:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com ([192.18.98.34]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K0U00CQR15LW020@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 13 May 2008 17:24:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m4E0OvL8007505 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 00:24:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K0U0020114JUB00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Brian.Utterback@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 13 May 2008 18:24:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([71.168.125.142]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K0U00AZI15JC6D0@mail-amer.sun.com>; Tue, 13 May 2008 18:24:57 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 20:24:56 -0400 From: Brian Utterback Subject: Re: PSARC/2008/315 - autogen and guile In-reply-to: <20080513151157.GG29912@zruty.sfbay.sun.com> Sender: Brian.Utterback@sun.com To: Danek Duvall Cc: Halton Huo , steve xue , Irene Huang , John.Fischer@sun.com, PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <482A3158.6030305@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <4828CEF2.5010608@sun.com> <1210645600.11044.5.camel@goalie> <1210646456.1487.24.camel@judo> <48290540.6050400@sun.com> <1210652244.4506.12.camel@judo> <48291C95.5000202@sun.com> <1210657333.4506.16.camel@judo> <48292A9C.7020905@sun.com> <20080513063259.GF29912@zruty.sfbay.sun.com> <1210667652.4506.45.camel@judo> <20080513151157.GG29912@zruty.sfbay.sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) Status: RO Content-Length: 1082 Danek Duvall wrote: > On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 04:34:12PM +0800, Halton Huo wrote: > > >> ??I'm okay to not shipping it. Seems ?libguilereadline is different >> between mine and yours. >> >> My ?libguilereadline is not link against readline, >> $file /usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so.17.0.3 >> /usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so.17.0.3: ELF 32-bit LSB dynamic lib >> 80386 Version 1, dynamically linked, not stripped >> >> Strange thing is when I run >> 'ldd /usr/lib/libguilereadline-v-17.so.17.0.3', there is no depend on >> libs. >> > > Okay. The ldd output Steve sent me a while back included libreadline in > the ldd output. > > It doesn't really matter much to the ARC whether you're linking with > readline or not -- it's purely a legal issue. > > Danek > That's because in the latest guile source code, it does not link in libreadline, it has a copy of readline included in the distribution which is statically linked in. And the readline code included is quite clearly labeled with the GPL and not the LGPL as the top level directory is. Brian Utterback From Steve.Xue@Sun.COM Tue May 13 19:48:39 2008 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m4E2mckR017567 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 19:48:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m4E2mX6P013340 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Wed, 14 May 2008 03:48:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K0U00B077SZX000@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 13 May 2008 19:48:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sineb-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.19.7]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K0U009XI7SYNB10@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Tue, 13 May 2008 19:48:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-apac-05.sun.com (fe-apac-05.sun.com [192.18.19.176] (may be forged)) by sineb-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m4E2nGN7018947 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 02:49:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-apac.sun.com by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0K0U00A017QTNV00@mail-apac.sun.com> (original mail from Steve.Xue@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 14 May 2008 10:48:19 +0800 (SGT) Received: from [129.158.218.29] by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0K0U00M0G7SI9U31@mail-apac.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 14 May 2008 10:48:19 +0800 (SGT) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 10:47:55 +0800 From: steve xue Subject: Re: PSARC/2008/315 - autogen and guile In-reply-to: <4829B9CF.10500@sun.com> Sender: Steve.Xue@Sun.COM To: John.Fischer@Sun.COM Cc: Halton Huo , Irene Huang , PSARC-ext@Sun.COM Message-id: <482A52DB.4090201@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <4828CB3E.8050608@sun.com> <4828CEF2.5010608@sun.com> <1210645600.11044.5.camel@goalie> <1210646456.1487.24.camel@judo> <48290540.6050400@sun.com> <4829B9CF.10500@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071119) Status: RO Content-Length: 1101 Yes, all the man pages I sent to you as attachment will be shipped in SVr4 package. And follow some previous discussion, I should also provide man pages for guile-config, guile-tools, guile-snarf , which are not existing in src tar ball, right ? Thanks! John Fischer wrote: > Just an FYI (For your information) the case directory already had > the fast track document and the various man pages within the case > directory. Since the project team provided me with the man pages > I assumed that they would be shipping them. > > Steve, > > Are you supplying the man pages in the SVr4 package that you > originally included within the materials that you sent to me? > > Thanks, > > John > > steve xue wrote: >> Halton Huo wrote: >>> Give a review on this fast track, comments: >>> >>> 1. typo >>> /usr/bin/guile-confi should be /usr/bin/guile-config >>> 2. no man pages for SUNWguile >>> community do not have, only have info >>> 3. no man pages for SUNWautogen >>> community have >>> >>> - >> Thanks Halton! >> >> I re-sent my materials in this mail, man pages are attached. >> From Jyri.Virkki@sun.com Tue May 13 23:52:26 2008 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m4E6qPaB021900 for ; Tue, 13 May 2008 23:52:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m4E6q418004031; Wed, 14 May 2008 07:52:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K0U00007J350R00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Tue, 13 May 2008 23:52:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.98.43]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K0U009IHJ34NDC0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Tue, 13 May 2008 23:52:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm-usca19-13.red.iplanet.com (host-179-56-18-192.iplanet.com [192.18.56.179] (may be forged)) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m4E6qFk0029693; Wed, 14 May 2008 06:52:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from buye.red.iplanet.com (buye [192.18.65.224]) by dm-usca19-13.red.iplanet.com (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7/IPLANET,v1.2) with ESMTP id m4E6qFO25664; Tue, 13 May 2008 23:52:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from buye.red.iplanet.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by buye.red.iplanet.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m4E6qF4L012770; Tue, 13 May 2008 23:52:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jyri@localhost) by buye.red.iplanet.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/Submit) id m4E6qFoh012769; Tue, 13 May 2008 23:52:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 23:52:15 -0700 From: Jyri Virkki Subject: Re: PSARC/2008/315 - autogen and guile In-reply-to: <482A0348.7070606@Sun.Com> To: John Plocher Cc: Joseph Kowalski , Halton Huo , John.Fischer@sun.com, PSARC-ext@sun.com, Irene Huang , Steve.Xue@sun.com Message-id: <20080514065215.GH11914@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <4828CB3E.8050608@sun.com> <4828CEF2.5010608@sun.com> <1210645600.11044.5.camel@goalie> <1210646456.1487.24.camel@judo> <4829066E.7020901@sun.com> <4829179F.30507@Sun.Com> <4829598F.4000103@sun.com> <48299852.1080100@Sun.Com> <4829E9D1.6060409@sun.com> <482A0348.7070606@Sun.Com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Status: RO Content-Length: 1595 John Plocher wrote: > > I don't believe we *want* to bloat our existing source trees > with hundreds or thousands of harvested FOSS projects like these. Well the consolidation model (all source in one tree) clearly cannot work as I've been pointing out for a good while, so alternatives will arise from the inevitability. http://blogs.sun.com/jyrivirkki/entry/unconsolidating > They don't belong there simply because we (the community) aren't > the right people to claim that implied level of ownership. We > aren't forking these projects; we aren't rewriting them to be > part of the (open)solaris ABI, we are only trying to make them > available to our consumers without adding much incremental cost > and without changing them. > > The corollary of the above is that because we don't have any > intent to make these things part of (Open)Solaris, the rules > associated with making things part of (Open)Solaris are suspect. "part of" is fuzzy here, not precise enough to form policy on. Is the package I get when I do 'apt-get install guile-1.8' "part of" debian? If guile lives in pkg.opensolaris.org it's part of OpenSolaris, though not in the way you meant. Just as you can't throw any random package into the official debian repository if it doesn't comply with their guidelines, it shouldn't be possible to do so into the official OpenSolaris repository(ies?) either. Doing so would be chaos. From this it follows: 1. rules/guidelines must exist 2. packages must be reviewed to comply with them prior to inclusion -- Jyri J. Virkki - jyri.virkki@sun.com - Sun Microsystems From John.Fischer@sun.com Wed May 14 08:54:14 2008 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m4EFsEdg004799 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 08:54:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m4EFsDOh025128 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Wed, 14 May 2008 08:54:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K0V0012L86DP500@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 14 May 2008 08:54:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.43.133]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K0V001SW86C1200@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 14 May 2008 08:54:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-09.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m4EFsChT001094 for ; Wed, 14 May 2008 08:54:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-09.sun.com by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K0V004017ZE4A00@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> (original mail from John.Fischer@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 14 May 2008 08:54:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.10.10] ([76.20.56.47]) by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K0V008WC862OW00@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 14 May 2008 08:54:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 08:53:56 -0700 From: John Fischer Subject: Re: PSARC/2008/315 - autogen and guile In-reply-to: <482A52DB.4090201@sun.com> Sender: John.Fischer@sun.com To: steve xue Cc: Halton Huo , Irene Huang , PSARC-ext@sun.com Reply-to: John.Fischer@sun.com Message-id: <482B0B14.3090507@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <4828CB3E.8050608@sun.com> <4828CEF2.5010608@sun.com> <1210645600.11044.5.camel@goalie> <1210646456.1487.24.camel@judo> <48290540.6050400@sun.com> <4829B9CF.10500@sun.com> <482A52DB.4090201@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (X11/20070622) Status: RO Content-Length: 1232 Steve, Correct. Please provide those as well. Thanks, John steve xue wrote: > Yes, all the man pages I sent to you as attachment will be shipped > in SVr4 package. > > And follow some previous discussion, I should also provide man pages > for guile-config, guile-tools, guile-snarf , which are not existing in src > tar ball, right ? > > Thanks! > John Fischer wrote: >> Just an FYI (For your information) the case directory already had >> the fast track document and the various man pages within the case >> directory. Since the project team provided me with the man pages >> I assumed that they would be shipping them. >> >> Steve, >> >> Are you supplying the man pages in the SVr4 package that you >> originally included within the materials that you sent to me? >> >> Thanks, >> >> John >> >> steve xue wrote: >>> Halton Huo wrote: >>>> Give a review on this fast track, comments: >>>> >>>> 1. typo >>>> /usr/bin/guile-confi should be /usr/bin/guile-config >>>> 2. no man pages for SUNWguile >>>> community do not have, only have info >>>> 3. no man pages for SUNWautogen >>>> community have >>>> >>>> - >>> Thanks Halton! >>> >>> I re-sent my materials in this mail, man pages are attached. >>> > From John.Fischer@Sun.COM Tue May 20 15:53:53 2008 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m4KMrr72008360 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 15:53:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m4KMriIq014753 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 20 May 2008 15:53:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K1600509VLSPK00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.Com); Tue, 20 May 2008 16:53:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.43.132]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K1600HKXVLRG770@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.Com); Tue, 20 May 2008 16:53:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m4KMrpk8001088 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 15:53:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K1600M01VJZPP00@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> (original mail from John.Fischer@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@Sun.Com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.Com); Tue, 20 May 2008 15:53:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.10.10] ([76.20.56.47]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K1600MOHVLRIS90@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@Sun.Com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.Com); Tue, 20 May 2008 15:53:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 15:53:47 -0700 From: John Fischer Subject: Re: PSARC/2008/315 - autogen and guile In-reply-to: <4828CB3E.8050608@sun.com> Sender: John.Fischer@Sun.COM To: psarc-ext@Sun.COM Cc: John.Fischer@Sun.COM, Steve.Xue@Sun.COM Reply-to: John.Fischer@Sun.COM Message-id: <4833567B.7010901@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <4828CB3E.8050608@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (X11/20080310) Status: RO Content-Length: 789 All, The timer having expired and the conversation having converged I am closing this fast track as approved. Thanks, John John Fischer wrote: > PSARC, > > I am sponsoring this fast track for Steve Xue of the Core > technologies team in Beijing. The case directory contains > this proposal and the autogen and guile man pages. > > The project is integrating autogen and guile into a Minor release > of Solaris. Autogen is a tool designed to simplify the creation > and maintenance of programs that contain large amounts of repetitious > text. Guile is a library designed to help programmers create flexible > applications. The interfaces are declared Uncommitted with the > exception of two directories within /usr/share which are declared > Project Private. > > Thanks, > > John From James.Walker@sun.com Thu Jun 18 01:45:45 2009 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n5I8jjFA022054 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 2009 01:45:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n5I8jhdj012785 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Thu, 18 Jun 2009 09:45:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KLF00E1VF07O400@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 18 Jun 2009 01:45:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com ([192.18.98.36]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KLF00CMEF069Q90@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 18 Jun 2009 01:45:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n5I8jgmY026471 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 2009 08:45:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 64bit (built Apr 16 2009)) id <0KLF00400EVCBM00@mail-amer.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 18 Jun 2009 02:45:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from c-67-166-22-238.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([unknown] [129.150.32.30]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 64bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0KLF00COPF06TL60@mail-amer.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 18 Jun 2009 02:45:42 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 02:45:41 -0600 From: Jim Walker Subject: autogen and guile [PSARC/2008/315 Self Review] Sender: James.Walker@sun.com To: PSARC-ext@sun.com Reply-to: James.Walker@sun.com Message-id: <4A39FEB5.8050406@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) Status: RO Content-Length: 2141 The project team is updating guile to include 64-bit versions of the libraries to meet ARC 64-bit library standards. proposal64bit.txt has been added to the case directory. autogen and guile are planning to be integrated into the SFW consolidation. I think this can be handled as a self review. Cheers, Jim --- 64-bit Interface Additions ========================== Exported Interfaces Classificat Comment ------------------- ----------- -------------- SUNWguile Uncommitted Package /usr/lib/64/libguile.so Uncommitted symbol link /usr/lib/64/libguile.so.17 Uncommitted symbol link /usr/lib/64/libguile.so.17.1.2 Uncommitted 64-bit library /usr/lib/64/libguilereadline-v-17.so Uncommitted symbol link /usr/lib/64/libguilereadline-v-17.so.17 Uncommitted symbol link /usr/lib/64/libguilereadline-v-17.so.17.0.3 Uncommitted 64-bit library /usr/lib/64/libguile-srfi-srfi-1-v-3.so Uncommitted symbol link /usr/lib/64/libguile-srfi-srfi-1-v-3.so.3 Uncommitted symbol link /usr/lib/64/libguile-srfi-srfi-1-v-3.so.3.0.1 Uncommitted 64-bit library /usr/lib/64/libguile-srfi-srfi-4-v-3.so Uncommitted symbol link /usr/lib/64/libguile-srfi-srfi-4-v-3.so.3 Uncommitted symbol link /usr/lib/64/libguile-srfi-srfi-4-v-3.so.3.0.1 Uncommitted 64-bit library /usr/lib/64/libguile-srfi-srfi-13-14-v-3.so Uncommitted symbol link /usr/lib/64/libguile-srfi-srfi-13-14-v-3.so.3 Uncommitted symbol link /usr/lib/64/libguile-srfi-srfi-13-14-v-3.so.3.0.1 Uncommitted 64-bit library /usr/lib/64/libguile-srfi-srfi-60-v-2.so Uncommitted symbol link /usr/lib/64/libguile-srfi-srfi-60-v-2.so.2 Uncommitted symbol link /usr/lib/64/libguile-srfi-srfi-60-v-2.so.2.0.2 Uncommitted 64-bit library 64 = amd64 | sparcv9 Reference Documents =================== [1] http://www.gnu.org/software/autogen/ [2] http://www.gnu.org/software/guile/ RFE ID# 6672584 for autogen RFE ID# 6672583 for guile From carlsonj@phorcys.east.sun.com Thu Jun 18 04:51:51 2009 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n5IBppoN024587 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 2009 04:51:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n5IBpoYs027499 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@Sun.COM>; Thu, 18 Jun 2009 04:51:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KLF00F03NMEZ700@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@Sun.COM (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.COM); Thu, 18 Jun 2009 04:51:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm-east-01.east.sun.com ([129.148.9.192]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KLF00FC4NMDL600@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@Sun.COM (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.COM); Thu, 18 Jun 2009 04:51:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (phorcys.East.Sun.COM [129.148.174.143]) by dm-east-01.east.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n5IBpmLT003801; Thu, 18 Jun 2009 07:51:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (phorcys.local [127.0.0.1]) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n5IBoTJl003000; Thu, 18 Jun 2009 07:50:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from carlsonj@localhost) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3/Submit) id n5IBoT0A002997; Thu, 18 Jun 2009 07:50:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 07:50:29 -0400 From: James Carlson Subject: Re: autogen and guile [PSARC/2008/315 Self Review] In-reply-to: <4A39FEB5.8050406@sun.com> To: James.Walker@sun.com Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <19002.10757.767455.221045@gargle.gargle.HOWL> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VM 7.01 under Emacs 21.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <4A39FEB5.8050406@sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 567 Jim Walker writes: > The project team is updating guile to include 64-bit > versions of the libraries to meet ARC 64-bit library > standards. proposal64bit.txt has been added to the > case directory. autogen and guile are planning to be > integrated into the SFW consolidation. This sounds more like bug fix than an architectural matter. +1 -- James Carlson, Solaris Networking Sun Microsystems / 35 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677