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This is a system message. --END+PSEUDO-- From gd78059@sac.sfbay.sun.com Fri Aug 22 23:46:32 2008 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7N6kVUA002256 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 23:46:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m7N6kU0F001189; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 07:46:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K6100F01K5IFC00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 23:46:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm-sfbay-01.sfbay.sun.com ([129.145.155.118]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K610036PK5IGUE0@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 23:46:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sac.sfbay.sun.com (new-sac.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.175.65]) by dm-sfbay-01.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m7N6kRTR012542; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 23:46:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sac.sfbay.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7N6kPNk002251; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 23:46:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gd78059@localhost) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/Submit) id m7N6kPjX002247; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 23:46:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 23:46:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Garrett D'Amore - sun microsystems" Subject: gvim (gtk2) [PSARC/2008/546 FastTrack timeout 08/29/2008] To: PSARC-ext@sun.com Cc: Jijun.Yu@sun.com, brian.gupta@gmail.com, danek.duvall@sun.com Message-id: <200808230646.m7N6kPjX002247@sac.sfbay.sun.com> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 Content-Length: 3967 Status: RO X-Status: $$$$ X-UID: 0000000001 Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.66 04/17/08 SMI This information is Copyright 2008 Sun Microsystems 1. Introduction 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: gvim (gtk2) 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: Author: Brian Gupta 1.3 Date of This Document: 22 August, 2008 4. Technical Description 1. Introduction and motivation 1.1 Summary This project proposes to integrate vim version 7.1 with the gtk2 graphical toolkit. In our previous case (SUNWgvim / PSARC 2007/267 ) we aimed to integrate a modern version of vi (vim) available on all Solaris systems. This proposal builds on the future plans indicated in that proposal and is targeted at the user(s) who need a the graphical version of vim. The package will tentatively be called "SUNWgvim". 1.2 History and context Please see PSARC 2007/267 for background into the initial motivations to integrate vim with Solaris. At this point we propose to further enhance the functionality of vim by contributing an optional package that provides additional functionality, that will deliver the graphic mode vim (gvim). 2. Discussion 2.1 Functionality (in addition to that provided by SUNvim PSARC 2007/267 ) This version has a superset of the functionality provided by SUNWvim. The "gvim" executable will have feature parity with SUNWvim. 2.2 Components The SUNWgvim will deliver a single executable "gvim" into the system. In addition, the following symlinks will be installed: gview -> gvim gvimdiff -> gvim rgview -> gvim rgvim -> gvim gvim is smart enough to recognize how to behave depending on what command name that was used to launch it. e.g. - restricted mode, "easy" (modeless) mode, diff mode, read-only mode, and some combinations of these. 2.3 Language bindings. --none-- 2.4 GUI bindings This version of gvim is proposed to be built against the gtk2 GUI library provided in Nevada. Gtk2 is provided with the following package: SUNWgnome-base-libs 2.5 Documentation Vim/gvim comes with man pages, but the most significant sets of documentation are accessed via gvim itself. Within gvim typing ":help" will bring up the vim help system. There are two main sources of additional documentation: SourceForge [1] and gvim's [2] home pages. Vim/gvim has comprehensive and elaborate documentation. Help can be accessed from within the editor. gvim provides the following man pages: /usr/man/man1 gvim.1 gvimdiff.1 2.6 Future projects 1) Investigate dynamic language bindings. 2) Upgrade vim/gvim to 7.2+ 3) Investigate additional modules e.g. - cscope 4) Replacing the current version of vi with vim 5) Changing Sun Studio's bundled vim to the system vim 6) Investigate interest in "tiny-vim" or "vim-minimal" package =============================================================== 3. Interfaces 3.1 Imported interfaces 3.1.1 Interface stability Vim/gvim has no obvious history of any interface stability and the expectation is is that dot-dot releases of gvim will be compatible. 3.1.2 Imported interfaces stability: gtk2 Committed vim Uncommitted 3.2 Exported interfaces Bundled files SUNWgvim Uncommitted Package name /usr/bin/gvim Uncommitted Executable binary /usr/bin/rgvim Uncommitted Symbolic link location /usr/bin/rview Uncommitted Symbolic link location /usr/bin/rgvim Uncommitted Symbolic link location /usr/bin/rgview Uncommitted Symbolic link location 4. References [1] http://vimdoc.sourceforge.net/ SourceForge - Official documentation repository [2] http://www.vim.org/docs.php - gvim documentation homepage, includes man links 6. Resources and Schedule 6.4. Steering Committee requested information 6.4.1. Consolidation C-team Name: SFW 6.5. ARC review type: FastTrack 6.6. ARC Exposure: open From gdamore@sun.com Fri Aug 22 23:48:42 2008 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7N6mgL9002293 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 23:48:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m7N6mgUW011739 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 23:48:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K6100F01K96MC00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Fri, 22 Aug 2008 23:48:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.43.133]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K6100ABKK95CL30@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Fri, 22 Aug 2008 23:48:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-09.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7N6mfFg003317 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 23:48:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-09.sun.com by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K6100I01JXEG200@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> (original mail from gdamore@sun.com) for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Fri, 22 Aug 2008 23:48:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.7.251.172] by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K6100EUEK95TM10@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com>; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 23:48:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 23:42:13 -0700 From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: PSARC 2008/546 (was Re: ARC Proposal gvim (gtk2) (Fasttrack request).) In-reply-to: <5b5090780808222153q72cab566q7a0e4b6c89faa878@mail.gmail.com> Sender: Garrett.Damore@sun.com To: Brian Gupta Cc: PSARC-EXT , Danek Duvall , jijun yu Message-id: <48AFB145.9050303@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <5b5090780808222009u153f1d0cvc7475675dc19dbae@mail.gmail.com> <48AF8F5E.6060206@sun.com> <5b5090780808222153q72cab566q7a0e4b6c89faa878@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080616) Content-Length: 7738 Status: RO X-Status: $$$$ X-UID: 0000000002 I've created the fasttrack, 2008/546, with timeout set for 8/29/2008. This mail confirms that, and arranges for the mail history below to be included in the case log. -- Garrett Brian Gupta wrote: > On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 12:17 AM, Garrett D'Amore wrote: > >> You still need an Intern or a Member to sponsor your case for ARC. I >> believe Licensees can submit fasttracks on their own behalf, but I don't >> know offhand whether they can sponsor fasttracks for other parties. >> (Although note that there is at least one *external* ARC intern. So its not >> an "internal-to-Sun" problem, but more a "limited committee" problem. >> Almost anyone can request to volunteer as an ARC intern, although the >> existing ARC chairs need to approve the final request.) >> >> That said, I'd be happy to sponsor this case for you, if nobody else beats >> me to it. (Although, I'm not entirely sure if this is a PSARC or LSARC >> case... its not clear to me. My first gut reaction is LSARC.) >> > > Thanks Garrett. (Both for the explanation and the sponsorship), I went > with PSARC because our original vim case was PSARC. (PSARC/2007/267) > > >> That said, one simple set of questions: >> >> 1) will you be replacing the vim (not gvim) default binary or link (I didn't >> see that anywhere) >> > > I will not be replacing the vim binary, or associated links. I will be > providing a set of files that will coexist with the files, links and > directories provided by SUNWvim. My understanding is that two > different SUNW packages can not have conflicting files. If they could, > I might have taken a different approach. IE: Provide alternate > packages, similar to how the Debian folks do it. vim-tiny, vim, > vim-full, such that depending on which package you installed, > /usr/bin/vim can have different compile options. > > >> 2) what are the dependencie(s) between gvim and vim, if any? (your >> interfaces table says vim is imported, so does this mean that it needs to be >> installed first? will vim still be functional even if I install SUNWgvim, >> and subsequently remove it?) >> > > The dependencies are simply the directories that the vim package creates: > > For your review, here are the contents of the SUNWvim package (from > http://opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/caselog/2007/267/spec-txt/ ): > > /usr/bin/rview Uncommitted Symbolic link location > /usr/bin/rvim Uncommitted Symbolic link location > /usr/bin/vim Uncommitted Executable location > /usr/bin/vimdiff Uncommitted Symbolic link location > /usr/bin/vimtutor Uncommitted Symbolic link location > /usr/bin/xxd Uncommitted Executable location > /usr/share/vim/vim70 Uncommitted Directory for > bundled extensions > /usr/share/vim/vimfiles Uncommitted Directory for > unbundled extensions > > Note that we are only providing additional files for graphical tool > equivalents. (Binary and symlinks). > > /usr/bin/gvim Uncommitted Executable binary > /usr/bin/rgvim Uncommitted Symbolic link location > /usr/bin/rview Uncommitted Symbolic link location > /usr/bin/rgvim Uncommitted Symbolic link location > /usr/bin/rgview Uncommitted Symbolic link location > > (When packaging up gvim we do not include all the binaries compiled.) > > >> Thanks. >> >> -- Garrett >> >> Brian Gupta wrote: >> >>> I'm requesting fasttrack approval for this request. I am an external >>> contributor. SCA: OS0091 The timeout is 2008-08-30. (If the process >>> still requires internal sponsorship, I am pretty sure Danek, or Jijun >>> will do so) >>> >>> 1. Introduction and motivation >>> >>> 1.1 Summary >>> >>> This project proposes to integrate vim version 7.1 with the gtk2 >>> graphical toolkit. In our previous case (SUNWgvim / PSARC 2007/267 ) >>> we aimed to integrate a modern version of vi (vim) available on all >>> Solaris systems. This proposal builds on the future plans indicated >>> in that proposal and is targeted at the user(s) who need a the >>> graphical version of vim. >>> >>> The package will tentatively be called "SUNWgvim". >>> >>> 1.2 History and context >>> >>> Please see PSARC 2007/267 for background into the initial motivations >>> to integrate vim with Solaris. At this point we propose to further >>> enhance the functionality of vim by contributing an optional package >>> that provides additional functionality, that will deliver the graphic >>> mode vim (gvim). >>> >>> 2. Discussion >>> >>> 2.1 Functionality (in addition to that provided by SUNvim PSARC 2007/267 ) >>> >>> This version has a superset of the functionality provided by SUNWvim. >>> The "gvim" executable will have feature parity with SUNWvim. >>> >>> 2.2 Components >>> >>> The SUNWgvim will deliver a single executable "gvim" into the system. >>> In addition, the following symlinks will be installed: >>> >>> gview -> gvim >>> gvimdiff -> gvim >>> rgview -> gvim >>> rgvim -> gvim >>> >>> gvim is smart enough to recognize how to behave depending on what >>> command name that was used to launch it. e.g. - restricted mode, >>> "easy" (modeless) mode, diff mode, read-only mode, and some >>> combinations of these. >>> >>> 2.3 Language bindings. >>> >>> --none-- >>> >>> 2.4 GUI bindings >>> >>> This version of gvim is proposed to be built against the gtk2 GUI >>> library provided in Nevada. Gtk2 is provided with the following >>> package: >>> SUNWgnome-base-libs >>> >>> 2.5 Documentation >>> >>> Vim/gvim comes with man pages, but the most significant sets of >>> documentation are accessed via gvim itself. Within gvim typing ":help" >>> will bring up the vim help system. There are two main sources of >>> additional documentation: SourceForge [1] and gvim's [2] home pages. >>> Vim/gvim has comprehensive and elaborate documentation. Help can be >>> accessed from within the editor. >>> >>> gvim provides the following man pages: >>> >>> /usr/man/man1 >>> gvim.1 >>> gvimdiff.1 >>> >>> 2.6 Future projects >>> >>> 1) Investigate dynamic language bindings. >>> 2) Upgrade vim/gvim to 7.2+ >>> 3) Investigate additional modules e.g. - cscope >>> 4) Replacing the current version of vi with vim >>> 5) Changing Sun Studio's bundled vim to the system vim >>> 6) Investigate interest in "tiny-vim" or "vim-minimal" package >>> >>> =============================================================== >>> >>> 3. Interfaces >>> >>> 3.1 Imported interfaces >>> >>> 3.1.1 Interface stability >>> >>> Vim/gvim has no obvious history of any interface stability and the >>> expectation >>> is is that dot-dot releases of gvim will be compatible. >>> >>> 3.1.2 Imported interfaces stability: >>> >>> gtk2 Committed >>> vim Uncommitted >>> >>> 3.2 Exported interfaces Bundled files >>> >>> SUNWgvim Uncommitted Package name >>> /usr/bin/gvim Uncommitted Executable binary >>> /usr/bin/rgvim Uncommitted Symbolic link location >>> /usr/bin/rview Uncommitted Symbolic link location >>> /usr/bin/rgvim Uncommitted Symbolic link location >>> /usr/bin/rgview Uncommitted Symbolic link location >>> >>> 4. References >>> >>> [1] http://vimdoc.sourceforge.net/ SourceForge - Official >>> documentation repository >>> [2] http://www.vim.org/docs.php - gvim documentation homepage, >>> includes man links >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > > From John.Plocher@sun.com Sat Aug 23 10:36:22 2008 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7NHaLwY021701 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 10:36:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m7NHaIff013035 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-EXT@sun.com>; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 01:36:20 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K6200B05E8J5300@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-EXT@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-EXT@sun.com); Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:36:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.43.132]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K62008QJE8IFK80@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-EXT@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-EXT@sun.com); Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:36:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-09.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7NHaIKJ022910 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 10:36:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-09.sun.com by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K6200G01E3U8I00@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> (original mail from John.Plocher@Sun.COM) for PSARC-EXT@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-EXT@sun.com); Sat, 23 Aug 2008 10:36:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.168.4] ([208.74.177.212]) by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K62005S4E8I9P30@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com>; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 10:36:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 10:36:17 -0700 From: John Plocher Subject: Re: gvim (gtk2) [PSARC/2008/546 FastTrack timeout 08/29/2008] In-reply-to: <5b5090780808222153q72cab566q7a0e4b6c89faa878@mail.gmail.com> Sender: John.Plocher@sun.com To: Brian Gupta Cc: PSARC-EXT , Danek Duvall , jijun yu Message-id: <48B04A91.7030103@Sun.Com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <5b5090780808222009u153f1d0cvc7475675dc19dbae@mail.gmail.com> <48AF8F5E.6060206@sun.com> <5b5090780808222153q72cab566q7a0e4b6c89faa878@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Macintosh/20080707) Content-Length: 786 Status: RO X-Status: $$$$ X-UID: 0000000003 Brian Gupta wrote: > I will not be replacing the vim binary, or associated links. I will be > providing a set of files that will coexist with the files, links and > directories provided by SUNWvim. My understanding is that two > different SUNW packages can not have conflicting files. If they could, > I might have taken a different approach. IE: Provide alternate > packages, similar to how the Debian folks do it. vim-tiny, vim, > vim-full, such that depending on which package you installed, > /usr/bin/vim can have different compile options. You *could* also extend this case to include redelivering the vim package(s), and redesign that area as well if it would result in a "better" system. Of course, it also makes things a bit harder, so it is entirely your call... -John From gdamore@sun.com Sat Aug 23 13:32:51 2008 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7NKWpp3025578 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:32:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m7NKWpth025714 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-EXT@sun.com>; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:32:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K6200207MEQ9N00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-EXT@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-EXT@sun.com); Sat, 23 Aug 2008 14:32:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.43.133]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K62008Q1MEQFGC0@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-EXT@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-EXT@sun.com); Sat, 23 Aug 2008 14:32:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7NKWoUM019777 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:32:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K6200E01MBBKQ00@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> (original mail from gdamore@sun.com) for PSARC-EXT@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-EXT@sun.com); Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:32:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.7.251.172] by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K62000CCMEP1AC0@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com>; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:32:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:26:19 -0700 From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: Re: gvim (gtk2) [PSARC/2008/546 FastTrack timeout 08/29/2008] In-reply-to: <48B04A91.7030103@Sun.Com> Sender: Garrett.Damore@sun.com To: John Plocher Cc: Brian Gupta , PSARC-EXT , Danek Duvall , jijun yu Message-id: <48B0726B.3060905@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <5b5090780808222009u153f1d0cvc7475675dc19dbae@mail.gmail.com> <48AF8F5E.6060206@sun.com> <5b5090780808222153q72cab566q7a0e4b6c89faa878@mail.gmail.com> <48B04A91.7030103@Sun.Com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080616) Content-Length: 1067 Status: RO X-Status: $$$$ X-UID: 0000000004 John Plocher wrote: > Brian Gupta wrote: >> I will not be replacing the vim binary, or associated links. I will be >> providing a set of files that will coexist with the files, links and >> directories provided by SUNWvim. My understanding is that two >> different SUNW packages can not have conflicting files. If they could, >> I might have taken a different approach. IE: Provide alternate >> packages, similar to how the Debian folks do it. vim-tiny, vim, >> vim-full, such that depending on which package you installed, >> /usr/bin/vim can have different compile options. > > You *could* also extend this case to include redelivering the > vim package(s), and redesign that area as well if it would result > in a "better" system. Of course, it also makes things a bit harder, > so it is entirely your call... No, please, I like it better the way it is ... this way vim is separable from the window system and the rest of the GTK libraries. That potentially helps with those minimization efforts that folks were talking about. -- Garrett > > -John From gdamore@sun.com Fri Aug 29 11:35:08 2008 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7TIZ8nU012217 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:35:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m7TIZ1Ix004802 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:35:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K6D00525KYJWP00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:35:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.43.132]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K6D005UYKYH3L00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:35:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-09.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7TIZ5V2000509 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:35:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-09.sun.com by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K6D00001KQ05K00@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> (original mail from gdamore@sun.com) for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:35:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.7.251.172] by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K6D00H9NKYEO440@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:35:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:34:48 -0700 From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: [Fwd: Re: gvim (gtk2) [PSARC/2008/546 FastTrack timeout 08/29/2008]] Sender: Garrett.Damore@sun.com To: PSARC-ext Message-id: <48B84148.2030709@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_oJqqUbY7/L4h8FE9YCFBRg)" X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080616) Status: RO Content-Length: 3618 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_oJqqUbY7/L4h8FE9YCFBRg) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Yes, I think the point here is that releases of gvim have historically not introduced new incompatibilities. (Indeed, it would seem that there would be little that the editor would likely be able to do that would break interface compatibility, without seriously breaking its compatibility with legacy vi, which is one of its major selling points.) -- Garrett --Boundary_(ID_oJqqUbY7/L4h8FE9YCFBRg) Content-type: message/rfc822; name="Re: gvim (gtk2) [PSARC/2008/546 FastTrack timeout 08/29/2008].eml" Return-path: Received: from fe-sfbay-09.sun.com ([192.18.34.119]) by sfbay3-mail1.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0K6D00NHMI5X0D80@sfbay3-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> for gd78059@sfbay3-mail1.sfbay.sun.com; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:34:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-09.sun.com by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K6D00C01HUT6V00@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> for gd78059@sfbay3-mail1.sfbay.sun.com (ORCPT gd78059@sfbay3-mail1.sfbay.sun.com) ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:34:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phys-sfbay3-1.sfbay.sun.com ([129.145.47.22]) by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0K6D00DBSI5P4A90@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> for gd78059@sfbay3-mail1.sfbay.sun.com (ORCPT gd78059@sfbay3-mail1.sfbay.sun.com) ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:34:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sac.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.175.65]) by sfbay3-mail1.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0K6D00NDKI5K0D80@sfbay3-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> for gd78059@sfbay3-mail1.sfbay.sun.com; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:34:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm-sfbay-02.sfbay.sun.com (dm-sfbay-02.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.31]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7THYVjD010173 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:34:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kabir.sfbay.sun.com (kabir.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.94.119]) by dm-sfbay-02.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m7THYVLI001441 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:34:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kabir (kabir [129.146.94.119]) by kabir.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7) with SMTP id m7THYV13021526 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:34:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:34:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Dean Stanton Subject: Re: gvim (gtk2) [PSARC/2008/546 FastTrack timeout 08/29/2008] To: gd78059@sac.sfbay.sun.com Reply-to: Dean Stanton Message-id: <200808291734.m7THYV13021526@kabir.sfbay.sun.com> X-Envelope-from: gdamore@sun.com X-Envelope-to: PSARC-ext <@smarthost.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.6 SunOS 5.10 sun4u sparc Content-type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-MD5: BMQq5beZO286asgZCiV+Pw== Original-recipient: rfc822;gd78059@sfbay3-mail1.sfbay.sun.com > 3.1.1 Interface stability > > Vim/gvim has no obvious history of any interface stability and the expectation > is is that dot-dot releases of gvim will be compatible. I wonder if something is wrong with that sentence. Did you mean to say *in*stability? (If so, tell the ARC and the case directory; I'm just lurking.) --Boundary_(ID_oJqqUbY7/L4h8FE9YCFBRg)-- From brian.gupta@gmail.com Fri Aug 29 12:13:06 2008 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7TJD6L9013504 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:13:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m7TJD5Qm022985 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:13:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K6D0070HMPSLK00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:13:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.98.43]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K6D005VRMPR3O30@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:13:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay23.sun.com (relay23.sun.com [192.12.251.54] (may be forged)) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7TJBqwv022884 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:13:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mms24es.mms.us.syntegra.com ([150.143.232.70] [150.143.232.70]) by relay23i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-2660259 for PSARC-ext@sun.com; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:13:02 +0000 (Z) Received: from relay24.sun.com (relay24.sun.com [192.12.251.74]) by mms24es.mms.us.syntegra.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-86860094 for PSARC-ext@sun.com; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:13:01 +0000 (Z) Received: from mail-gx0-f17.google.com ([209.85.217.17] [209.85.217.17]) by relay24i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-8173661 for PSARC-ext@sun.com; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:13:00 +0000 (Z) Received: by gxk10 with SMTP id 10so5122647gxk.8 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:12:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.108.3 with SMTP id k3mr4714605ybm.67.1220037144241; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:12:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.141.13 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:12:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:12:24 -0400 From: Brian Gupta Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: gvim (gtk2) [PSARC/2008/546 FastTrack timeout 08/29/2008]] In-reply-to: <48B84148.2030709@sun.com> To: "Garrett D'Amore" Cc: PSARC-ext Message-id: <5b5090780808291212w170a6cf5y375933c747955c0e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=l19lxVIHNuFQFcyjZUT+gkG/YlJjQtX5pbD7mbpJu4w=; b=HS/WTacpOsB+Xj140etdrBUHU0vWl8zFNnbbwtYmivStslYCKPm9cTEhlEEqaBo29u lgJwjsFDHcosvZ3iaYHykOO11XoS6N3K4bsz95vlwRa4MTLUBK0aCWT4yVEfopMiB768 TFOYQHsE1t5V0SZ+ZAwyyUwV2H3dNfMHcVqjc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=RyNjXvJR+Z3rm/CWLvgghcSBvdNQ9IwXLnlo0VE5JyUcsHa6IAtabUlpYFZXFqdjet Wk1zYGmsVUeLykAx9qelaCrvqCajBbzw/bCj16RdQFLVDbhHYTGaVNTGJhD+e55+pRmp RU0OAxAdtGazo5kJGsVkIi/D0HZJR70yAnEKE= X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Antispam: No, score=0.0/5.0, scanned in 1.331sec at (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smf-spamd v1.3.1 - http://smfs.sf.net/ References: <48B84148.2030709@sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 1045 :) Yeah instability is the word. Do I have to submit a new draft, or is this email affirmation sufficient? -Brian On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Garrett D'Amore wrote: > Yes, I think the point here is that releases of gvim have historically not > introduced new incompatibilities. > > (Indeed, it would seem that there would be little that the editor would > likely be able to do that would break interface > compatibility, without seriously breaking its compatibility with legacy vi, > which is one of its major selling points.) > > -- Garrett > > >> 3.1.1 Interface stability >> >> Vim/gvim has no obvious history of any interface stability and the >> expectation >> is is that dot-dot releases of gvim will be compatible. > > I wonder if something is wrong with that sentence. Did you mean to say > *in*stability? (If so, tell the ARC and the case directory; > I'm just lurking.) > > > -- - Brian Gupta http://opensolaris.org/os/project/nycosug/ http://www.genunix.org/wiki/index.php/OpenSolaris_New_User_FAQ From gdamore@sun.com Fri Aug 29 13:01:44 2008 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m7TK1iCO014452 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:01:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m7TK1gmD016050 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:01:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K6D0092FOYWT900@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:01:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.43.132]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K6D005O9OYV3L60@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:01:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-09.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7TK1hxH009517 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:01:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-09.sun.com by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K6D00501OLUD000@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> (original mail from gdamore@sun.com) for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:01:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.7.251.172] by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K6D00E3WOYUVO80@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:01:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:01:27 -0700 From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: gvim (gtk2) [PSARC/2008/546 FastTrack timeout 08/29/2008]] In-reply-to: <5b5090780808291212w170a6cf5y375933c747955c0e@mail.gmail.com> Sender: Garrett.Damore@sun.com To: Brian Gupta Cc: PSARC-ext Message-id: <48B85597.50304@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <48B84148.2030709@sun.com> <5b5090780808291212w170a6cf5y375933c747955c0e@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080616) Status: RO Content-Length: 1094 E-mail's fine. The case was approved at PSARC this week anyway. -- Garrett Brian Gupta wrote: > :) > > Yeah instability is the word. Do I have to submit a new draft, or is > this email affirmation sufficient? > > -Brian > > On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Garrett D'Amore wrote: > >> Yes, I think the point here is that releases of gvim have historically not >> introduced new incompatibilities. >> >> (Indeed, it would seem that there would be little that the editor would >> likely be able to do that would break interface >> compatibility, without seriously breaking its compatibility with legacy vi, >> which is one of its major selling points.) >> >> -- Garrett >> >> >> >>> 3.1.1 Interface stability >>> >>> Vim/gvim has no obvious history of any interface stability and the >>> expectation >>> is is that dot-dot releases of gvim will be compatible. >>> >> I wonder if something is wrong with that sentence. Did you mean to say >> *in*stability? (If so, tell the ARC and the case directory; >> I'm just lurking.) >> >> >> >> > > > >