From egs@thirdreef.sfbay.sun.com Thu Oct 30 17:48:26 2008 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m9V0mQqd000955 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:48:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m9V0mOAC006739 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 00:48:24 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K9K00101VKOBN00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:48:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm-sfbay-02.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.11.31]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K9K00HFMVKN2XE0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:48:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thirdreef.sfbay.sun.com (thirdreef.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.94.117]) by dm-sfbay-02.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m9V0mN0J049704; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:48:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thirdreef.sfbay.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thirdreef.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m9V0erbs004479; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:40:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from egs@localhost) by thirdreef.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/Submit) id m9V0erHD004476; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:40:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:40:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Sultan Subject: EOF of zulu, gfb and gfxp graphics support [PSARC/2008/666 FastTrack timeout 11/07/2008] To: PSARC-ext@sun.com Cc: ron.bielaski@sun.com Message-id: <200810310040.m9V0erHD004476@thirdreef.sfbay.sun.com> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 Status: RO Content-Length: 3298 I'm sponsoring this case for Ron Bielaski, with a timeout set for next Friday, November 11, 2008. This proposal is to EOF three SPARC graphics devices: XVR-1000, XVR-4000, and PGX32. -- Eric Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.64 07/13/07 SMI This information is Copyright 2008 Sun Microsystems 1. Introduction 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: EOF of zulu, gfb and gfxp graphics support 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: Author: Ron Bielaski 1.3 Date of This Document: 30 October, 2008 4. Technical Description This case announces the EOF and removes SPARC graphics drivers support for: zulu (XVR-4000) gfb (XVR-1000) gfxp (PGX32) The last ship dates for these SPARC graphics products were: XVR-4000 6/10/2005, Intro# Q2FY2005-73I XVR-1000 10/08/2004, Intro# Q3FY2004-120I PGX32 09/30/2003, Intro# Q2FY2003-86I According to Sun's announcement database, the last of these cards sold had its last ship date in 2005. Since this case only removes support from an upcoming minor or greater release of Solaris, and Solaris 10 end of support is not likely to happen until 2014 or later, this will give purchasers of these cards at least 9 years of software support. This case delivers in two phases: 1) In a patch release, announces the obsolesence of and future removal plans for zulu, gfb and gfxp support. 2) In a minor release, removes the following: From the ON Consolidation: SUNWcakr /platform/sun4u/kernel/misc/sparcv9/zuluvm From the Graphics Consolidation: The entire SUNWzulu.u, SUNWzuluc, SUNWzulur and SUNWzuluw packages containing files: SUNWzulu.u /platform/sun4u/kernel/drv/sparcv9/zulu SUNWzuluc /usr/lib/fbconfig/SUNWzulu_config SUNWzuluc /usr/lib/fbconfig/sparc/libSUNWzulu_dvr.so.1 SUNWzuluc /usr/lib/fbconfig/sparcv9/libSUNWzulu_dvr.so.1 SUNWzuluc /usr/lib/zulu.ucode SUNWzuluc /usr/sbin/zuludaemon SUNWzulur /etc/init.d/zuluinit SUNWzuluw /usr/openwin/server/etc/filters/catmull.filter SUNWzuluw /usr/openwin/server/modules/ddxSUNWzulu.so.1 The entire SUNWgfb.u, SUNWgfbcf, SUNWgfbr and SUNWgfbw packages containing files: SUNWgfb.u /platform/sun4u/kernel/drv/sparcv9/gfb SUNWgfbcf /usr/lib/fbconfig/SUNWgfb_config SUNWgfbcf /usr/lib/gfb.ucode SUNWgfbcf /usr/sbin/gfbdaemon SUNWgfbr /etc/init.d/gfbinit SUNWgfbw /usr/openwin/server/modules/ddxSUNWgfb.so.1 The entire TSIpgx.u and TSIpgxw packages containing files: TSIpgx.u /platform/sun4u/kernel/drv/sparcv9/gfxp TSIpgxw /usr/openwin/server/etc/pgxresinfo TSIpgxw /usr/openwin/server/modules/ddxTSIgfx.so.1 TSIpgxw /usr/sbin/pgxconfig From the man page consolidation: From the SUNWman package: /usr/share/man/man1m/SUNWzulu_config.1m /usr/share/man/man1m/zuludaemon.1m /usr/share/man/man7d/zulu.7d /usr/share/man/man1m/SUNWgfb_config.1m /usr/share/man/man1m/GFXconfig.1m /usr/share/man/man1m/TSIgfxp_config.1m (Given the cross-consolidation nature of this removal, these may be removed in separate builds of each consolidation.) 6. Resources and Schedule 6.4. Steering Committee requested information 6.4.1. Consolidation C-team Name: Graphics, ON 6.5. ARC review type: FastTrack 6.6. ARC Exposure: open From gdamore@sun.com Thu Oct 30 19:43:54 2008 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m9V2hsFC003524 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:43:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id m9V2hsjv004967; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:43:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K9L006030X6VQ00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:43:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.43.132]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K9L004EC0X57690@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:43:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m9V2hr5k002581; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:43:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K9L006010PYUZ00@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> (original mail from gdamore@sun.com) ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:43:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.7.251.172] by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K9L000S30X4IX20@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com>; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:43:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:39:19 -0700 From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: Re: EOF of zulu, gfb and gfxp graphics support [PSARC/2008/666 FastTrack timeout 11/07/2008] In-reply-to: <200810310040.m9V0erHD004476@thirdreef.sfbay.sun.com> Sender: Garrett.Damore@sun.com To: Eric Sultan Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, ron.bielaski@sun.com Message-id: <490A6FD7.4060107@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200810310040.m9V0erHD004476@thirdreef.sfbay.sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080616) Status: RO Content-Length: 5074 Questions: 1) What hardware platforms shipped with these options? Add-in or on-board? (If these drivers don't support any built-in motherboard framebuffer devices, then most of the rest of the questions are of far less concern.) 2) Do those platforms have alternative graphics options available for them that are supported in Solaris Nevada? What about options that include 3D acceleration? (Not relevant for PGX32, I realize.) 3) If the answer to question #2 above is "no", and the device is a motherboard device, is the intent to *also* EOL the platform from Solaris Nevada? 4) For some of these drivers (I know this is true for PGX32, but probably also others), is it possible that the OpenSolaris community could contribute support? (In particular, for PGX32 I can imagine that an Xorg based solution might work with very little extra effort. But I'm concerned that gfb and zulu might require access to Sun NDA information that might not be available to open source developers. Can we make such information available, or even better, make source code available, so that 3rd parties can pick up and continue supporting these if they should want to?) Thanks. (And yes, I realize that the above questions may straddle the boundary of "architecture", but I think the answers are still useful and important. I especially want to ensure that there are no "surprise" platform EOLs as a result of this case -- which isn't to say we can't EOL older platforms, just that if we do so, then IMO we need to be explicit about it.) -- Garrett Eric Sultan wrote: > I'm sponsoring this case for Ron Bielaski, with a timeout set for next > Friday, November 11, 2008. This proposal is to EOF three SPARC graphics > devices: XVR-1000, XVR-4000, and PGX32. > > -- Eric > > > > Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.64 07/13/07 SMI > This information is Copyright 2008 Sun Microsystems > 1. Introduction > 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: > EOF of zulu, gfb and gfxp graphics support > 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: > Author: Ron Bielaski > 1.3 Date of This Document: > 30 October, 2008 > 4. Technical Description > > This case announces the EOF and removes SPARC graphics drivers support > for: > > zulu (XVR-4000) > gfb (XVR-1000) > gfxp (PGX32) > > The last ship dates for these SPARC graphics products were: > > XVR-4000 6/10/2005, Intro# Q2FY2005-73I > XVR-1000 10/08/2004, Intro# Q3FY2004-120I > PGX32 09/30/2003, Intro# Q2FY2003-86I > > According to Sun's announcement database, the last of these cards sold had > its last ship date in 2005. Since this case only removes support from an > upcoming minor or greater release of Solaris, and Solaris 10 end of support > is not likely to happen until 2014 or later, this will give purchasers of > these cards at least 9 years of software support. > > This case delivers in two phases: > > 1) In a patch release, announces the obsolesence of and future removal plans > for zulu, gfb and gfxp support. > > 2) In a minor release, removes the following: > > From the ON Consolidation: > SUNWcakr /platform/sun4u/kernel/misc/sparcv9/zuluvm > > From the Graphics Consolidation: > > The entire SUNWzulu.u, SUNWzuluc, SUNWzulur and > SUNWzuluw packages containing files: > > SUNWzulu.u /platform/sun4u/kernel/drv/sparcv9/zulu > SUNWzuluc /usr/lib/fbconfig/SUNWzulu_config > SUNWzuluc /usr/lib/fbconfig/sparc/libSUNWzulu_dvr.so.1 > SUNWzuluc /usr/lib/fbconfig/sparcv9/libSUNWzulu_dvr.so.1 > SUNWzuluc /usr/lib/zulu.ucode > SUNWzuluc /usr/sbin/zuludaemon > SUNWzulur /etc/init.d/zuluinit > SUNWzuluw /usr/openwin/server/etc/filters/catmull.filter > SUNWzuluw /usr/openwin/server/modules/ddxSUNWzulu.so.1 > > The entire SUNWgfb.u, SUNWgfbcf, SUNWgfbr and > SUNWgfbw packages containing files: > > SUNWgfb.u /platform/sun4u/kernel/drv/sparcv9/gfb > SUNWgfbcf /usr/lib/fbconfig/SUNWgfb_config > SUNWgfbcf /usr/lib/gfb.ucode > SUNWgfbcf /usr/sbin/gfbdaemon > SUNWgfbr /etc/init.d/gfbinit > SUNWgfbw /usr/openwin/server/modules/ddxSUNWgfb.so.1 > > The entire TSIpgx.u and TSIpgxw packages containing files: > TSIpgx.u /platform/sun4u/kernel/drv/sparcv9/gfxp > TSIpgxw /usr/openwin/server/etc/pgxresinfo > TSIpgxw /usr/openwin/server/modules/ddxTSIgfx.so.1 > TSIpgxw /usr/sbin/pgxconfig > > From the man page consolidation: > > From the SUNWman package: > > /usr/share/man/man1m/SUNWzulu_config.1m > /usr/share/man/man1m/zuludaemon.1m > /usr/share/man/man7d/zulu.7d > > /usr/share/man/man1m/SUNWgfb_config.1m > > /usr/share/man/man1m/GFXconfig.1m > /usr/share/man/man1m/TSIgfxp_config.1m > > (Given the cross-consolidation nature of this removal, these may be > removed in separate builds of each consolidation.) > > > 6. Resources and Schedule > 6.4. Steering Committee requested information > 6.4.1. Consolidation C-team Name: > Graphics, ON > 6.5. ARC review type: FastTrack > 6.6. ARC Exposure: open > > From ron.bielaski@sun.com Mon Nov 3 20:36:39 2008 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mA44aclD002367 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 20:36:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id mA44aXgN023373; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 04:36:36 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K9S00A05KSYBM00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:36:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from dm-sfbay-02.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.11.31]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K9S00F43KSYHAF0@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:36:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from countit.sfbay.sun.com (countit.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.90.69]) by dm-sfbay-02.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id mA44aXxl028432; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:36:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from countit (countit [129.146.90.69]) by countit.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7) with SMTP id mA44VevW000635; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:31:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:31:40 -0800 (PST) From: Ron Bielaski Subject: Re: EOF of zulu, gfb and gfxp graphics support [PSARC/2008/666 FastTrack timeout 11/07/2008] To: eric.sultan@sun.com, gdamore@sun.com Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, ron.bielaski@sun.com Reply-to: Ron Bielaski Message-id: <200811040431.mA44VevW000635@countit.sfbay.sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.6.2 SunOS 5.10 sun4u sparc Content-type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-MD5: k6c7Mqn21INHTmbyiqzrgA== X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 Status: RO Content-Length: 6032 1) zulu (XVR-4000) V880z gfb (XVR-1000) Ultra 60, 80, Sun Blade 1000, 2000 gfxp (PGX32) Ultra 5, 10, 30, 60, 80, Sun Blade 100, 1000, 2000, Enterprise 250, 450, 220R, 420R, Enterprise 3x00, 4x00, 5x00, 6x00, Sun Fire 280R, V480, V880 These drivers only support add-in cards as much as I could find. 2) The platforms have alternative graphics options with Nevada bundled drivers. 3D accelerated options have alternative 3D accelerated graphics options with Nevada bundled drivers. 4) Further support of these drivers is a business decision. Source availability is also a business (read staffing) decision. Ron ----- Begin Included Message ----- From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: Re: EOF of zulu, gfb and gfxp graphics support [PSARC/2008/666 FastTrack timeout 11/07/2008] To: Eric Sultan Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, ron.bielaski@sun.com Questions: 1) What hardware platforms shipped with these options? Add-in or on-board? (If these drivers don't support any built-in motherboard framebuffer devices, then most of the rest of the questions are of far less concern.) 2) Do those platforms have alternative graphics options available for them that are supported in Solaris Nevada? What about options that include 3D acceleration? (Not relevant for PGX32, I realize.) 3) If the answer to question #2 above is "no", and the device is a motherboard device, is the intent to *also* EOL the platform from Solaris Nevada? 4) For some of these drivers (I know this is true for PGX32, but probably also others), is it possible that the OpenSolaris community could contribute support? (In particular, for PGX32 I can imagine that an Xorg based solution might work with very little extra effort. But I'm concerned that gfb and zulu might require access to Sun NDA information that might not be available to open source developers. Can we make such information available, or even better, make source code available, so that 3rd parties can pick up and continue supporting these if they should want to?) Thanks. (And yes, I realize that the above questions may straddle the boundary of "architecture", but I think the answers are still useful and important. I especially want to ensure that there are no "surprise" platform EOLs as a result of this case -- which isn't to say we can't EOL older platforms, just that if we do so, then IMO we need to be explicit about it.) -- Garrett Eric Sultan wrote: > I'm sponsoring this case for Ron Bielaski, with a timeout set for next > Friday, November 11, 2008. This proposal is to EOF three SPARC graphics > devices: XVR-1000, XVR-4000, and PGX32. > > -- Eric > > > > Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.64 07/13/07 SMI > This information is Copyright 2008 Sun Microsystems > 1. Introduction > 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: > EOF of zulu, gfb and gfxp graphics support > 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: > Author: Ron Bielaski > 1.3 Date of This Document: > 30 October, 2008 > 4. Technical Description > > This case announces the EOF and removes SPARC graphics drivers support > for: > > zulu (XVR-4000) > gfb (XVR-1000) > gfxp (PGX32) > > The last ship dates for these SPARC graphics products were: > > XVR-4000 6/10/2005, Intro# Q2FY2005-73I > XVR-1000 10/08/2004, Intro# Q3FY2004-120I > PGX32 09/30/2003, Intro# Q2FY2003-86I > > According to Sun's announcement database, the last of these cards sold had > its last ship date in 2005. Since this case only removes support from an > upcoming minor or greater release of Solaris, and Solaris 10 end of support > is not likely to happen until 2014 or later, this will give purchasers of > these cards at least 9 years of software support. > > This case delivers in two phases: > > 1) In a patch release, announces the obsolesence of and future removal plans > for zulu, gfb and gfxp support. > > 2) In a minor release, removes the following: > > From the ON Consolidation: > SUNWcakr /platform/sun4u/kernel/misc/sparcv9/zuluvm > > From the Graphics Consolidation: > > The entire SUNWzulu.u, SUNWzuluc, SUNWzulur and > SUNWzuluw packages containing files: > > SUNWzulu.u /platform/sun4u/kernel/drv/sparcv9/zulu > SUNWzuluc /usr/lib/fbconfig/SUNWzulu_config > SUNWzuluc /usr/lib/fbconfig/sparc/libSUNWzulu_dvr.so.1 > SUNWzuluc /usr/lib/fbconfig/sparcv9/libSUNWzulu_dvr.so.1 > SUNWzuluc /usr/lib/zulu.ucode > SUNWzuluc /usr/sbin/zuludaemon > SUNWzulur /etc/init.d/zuluinit > SUNWzuluw /usr/openwin/server/etc/filters/catmull.filter > SUNWzuluw /usr/openwin/server/modules/ddxSUNWzulu.so.1 > > The entire SUNWgfb.u, SUNWgfbcf, SUNWgfbr and > SUNWgfbw packages containing files: > > SUNWgfb.u /platform/sun4u/kernel/drv/sparcv9/gfb > SUNWgfbcf /usr/lib/fbconfig/SUNWgfb_config > SUNWgfbcf /usr/lib/gfb.ucode > SUNWgfbcf /usr/sbin/gfbdaemon > SUNWgfbr /etc/init.d/gfbinit > SUNWgfbw /usr/openwin/server/modules/ddxSUNWgfb.so.1 > > The entire TSIpgx.u and TSIpgxw packages containing files: > TSIpgx.u /platform/sun4u/kernel/drv/sparcv9/gfxp > TSIpgxw /usr/openwin/server/etc/pgxresinfo > TSIpgxw /usr/openwin/server/modules/ddxTSIgfx.so.1 > TSIpgxw /usr/sbin/pgxconfig > > From the man page consolidation: > > From the SUNWman package: > > /usr/share/man/man1m/SUNWzulu_config.1m > /usr/share/man/man1m/zuludaemon.1m > /usr/share/man/man7d/zulu.7d > > /usr/share/man/man1m/SUNWgfb_config.1m > > /usr/share/man/man1m/GFXconfig.1m > /usr/share/man/man1m/TSIgfxp_config.1m > > (Given the cross-consolidation nature of this removal, these may be > removed in separate builds of each consolidation.) > > > 6. Resources and Schedule > 6.4. Steering Committee requested information > 6.4.1. Consolidation C-team Name: > Graphics, ON > 6.5. ARC review type: FastTrack > 6.6. ARC Exposure: open ----- End Included Message ----- From gdamore@sun.com Mon Nov 3 22:22:49 2008 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mA46Mnag005064 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 22:22:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id mA46Mm9d019782; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 22:22:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K9S00D07PQ0X900@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:22:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from sca-es-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.43.132]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K9S00JUNPQ0BMC0@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:22:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from fe-sfbay-09.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id mA46MmwX010995; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:22:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-09.sun.com by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K9S00G01PKO7G00@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> (original mail from gdamore@sun.com) ; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:22:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.7.251.172] by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K9S00DH8PPZK2F0@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com>; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:22:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:17:56 -0800 From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: Re: EOF of zulu, gfb and gfxp graphics support [PSARC/2008/666 FastTrack timeout 11/07/2008] In-reply-to: <200811040431.mA44VevW000635@countit.sfbay.sun.com> Sender: Garrett.Damore@sun.com To: Ron Bielaski Cc: Eric.Sultan@sun.com, PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <490FE914.6030502@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200811040431.mA44VevW000635@countit.sfbay.sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080616) Status: RO Content-Length: 6407 Ron Bielaski wrote: > 1) zulu (XVR-4000) V880z > gfb (XVR-1000) Ultra 60, 80, Sun Blade 1000, 2000 > gfxp (PGX32) Ultra 5, 10, 30, 60, 80, Sun Blade 100, 1000, 2000, > Enterprise 250, 450, 220R, 420R, Enterprise 3x00, 4x00, > 5x00, 6x00, Sun Fire 280R, V480, V880 > These drivers only support add-in cards as much as I could find. > > 2) The platforms have alternative graphics options with Nevada bundled drivers. > 3D accelerated options have alternative 3D accelerated graphics options with > Nevada bundled drivers. > > 4) Further support of these drivers is a business decision. > Source availability is also a business (read staffing) decision. > Okay, I'm happy with all the answers except #4, and I concede that #4 is not architectural. Thank you. -- Garrett > Ron > > ----- Begin Included Message ----- > > From: "Garrett D'Amore" > Subject: Re: EOF of zulu, gfb and gfxp graphics support [PSARC/2008/666 > FastTrack timeout 11/07/2008] > To: Eric Sultan > Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, ron.bielaski@sun.com > > Questions: > > 1) What hardware platforms shipped with these options? Add-in or > on-board? (If these drivers don't support any built-in motherboard > framebuffer devices, then most of the rest of the questions are of far > less concern.) > > 2) Do those platforms have alternative graphics options available for > them that are supported in Solaris Nevada? What about options that > include 3D acceleration? (Not relevant for PGX32, I realize.) > > 3) If the answer to question #2 above is "no", and the device is a > motherboard device, is the intent to *also* EOL the platform from > Solaris Nevada? > > 4) For some of these drivers (I know this is true for PGX32, but > probably also others), is it possible that the OpenSolaris community > could contribute support? (In particular, for PGX32 I can imagine that > an Xorg based solution might work with very little extra effort. But > I'm concerned that gfb and zulu might require access to Sun NDA > information that might not be available to open source developers. Can > we make such information available, or even better, make source code > available, so that 3rd parties can pick up and continue supporting these > if they should want to?) > > Thanks. (And yes, I realize that the above questions may straddle the > boundary of "architecture", but I think the answers are still useful and > important. I especially want to ensure that there are no "surprise" > platform EOLs as a result of this case -- which isn't to say we can't > EOL older platforms, just that if we do so, then IMO we need to be > explicit about it.) > > -- Garrett > > Eric Sultan wrote: > >> I'm sponsoring this case for Ron Bielaski, with a timeout set for next >> Friday, November 11, 2008. This proposal is to EOF three SPARC graphics >> devices: XVR-1000, XVR-4000, and PGX32. >> >> -- Eric >> >> >> >> Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.64 07/13/07 SMI >> This information is Copyright 2008 Sun Microsystems >> 1. Introduction >> 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: >> EOF of zulu, gfb and gfxp graphics support >> 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: >> Author: Ron Bielaski >> 1.3 Date of This Document: >> 30 October, 2008 >> 4. Technical Description >> >> This case announces the EOF and removes SPARC graphics drivers support >> for: >> >> zulu (XVR-4000) >> gfb (XVR-1000) >> gfxp (PGX32) >> >> The last ship dates for these SPARC graphics products were: >> >> XVR-4000 6/10/2005, Intro# Q2FY2005-73I >> XVR-1000 10/08/2004, Intro# Q3FY2004-120I >> PGX32 09/30/2003, Intro# Q2FY2003-86I >> >> According to Sun's announcement database, the last of these cards sold had >> its last ship date in 2005. Since this case only removes support from an >> upcoming minor or greater release of Solaris, and Solaris 10 end of support >> is not likely to happen until 2014 or later, this will give purchasers of >> these cards at least 9 years of software support. >> >> This case delivers in two phases: >> >> 1) In a patch release, announces the obsolesence of and future removal plans >> for zulu, gfb and gfxp support. >> >> 2) In a minor release, removes the following: >> >> From the ON Consolidation: >> SUNWcakr /platform/sun4u/kernel/misc/sparcv9/zuluvm >> >> From the Graphics Consolidation: >> >> The entire SUNWzulu.u, SUNWzuluc, SUNWzulur and >> SUNWzuluw packages containing files: >> >> SUNWzulu.u /platform/sun4u/kernel/drv/sparcv9/zulu >> SUNWzuluc /usr/lib/fbconfig/SUNWzulu_config >> SUNWzuluc /usr/lib/fbconfig/sparc/libSUNWzulu_dvr.so.1 >> SUNWzuluc /usr/lib/fbconfig/sparcv9/libSUNWzulu_dvr.so.1 >> SUNWzuluc /usr/lib/zulu.ucode >> SUNWzuluc /usr/sbin/zuludaemon >> SUNWzulur /etc/init.d/zuluinit >> SUNWzuluw /usr/openwin/server/etc/filters/catmull.filter >> SUNWzuluw /usr/openwin/server/modules/ddxSUNWzulu.so.1 >> >> The entire SUNWgfb.u, SUNWgfbcf, SUNWgfbr and >> SUNWgfbw packages containing files: >> >> SUNWgfb.u /platform/sun4u/kernel/drv/sparcv9/gfb >> SUNWgfbcf /usr/lib/fbconfig/SUNWgfb_config >> SUNWgfbcf /usr/lib/gfb.ucode >> SUNWgfbcf /usr/sbin/gfbdaemon >> SUNWgfbr /etc/init.d/gfbinit >> SUNWgfbw /usr/openwin/server/modules/ddxSUNWgfb.so.1 >> >> The entire TSIpgx.u and TSIpgxw packages containing files: >> TSIpgx.u /platform/sun4u/kernel/drv/sparcv9/gfxp >> TSIpgxw /usr/openwin/server/etc/pgxresinfo >> TSIpgxw /usr/openwin/server/modules/ddxTSIgfx.so.1 >> TSIpgxw /usr/sbin/pgxconfig >> >> From the man page consolidation: >> >> From the SUNWman package: >> >> /usr/share/man/man1m/SUNWzulu_config.1m >> /usr/share/man/man1m/zuludaemon.1m >> /usr/share/man/man7d/zulu.7d >> >> /usr/share/man/man1m/SUNWgfb_config.1m >> >> /usr/share/man/man1m/GFXconfig.1m >> /usr/share/man/man1m/TSIgfxp_config.1m >> >> (Given the cross-consolidation nature of this removal, these may be >> removed in separate builds of each consolidation.) >> >> >> 6. Resources and Schedule >> 6.4. Steering Committee requested information >> 6.4.1. Consolidation C-team Name: >> Graphics, ON >> 6.5. ARC review type: FastTrack >> 6.6. ARC Exposure: open >> > > ----- End Included Message ----- > > From Alan.Coopersmith@Sun.COM Tue Nov 4 07:12:23 2008 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mA4FCNs8018010 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 07:12:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id mA4FCMdk060230; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 08:12:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K9T0012JE8IOY00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 07:12:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from sca-es-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.43.133]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K9T00I0YE8F5PB0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 07:12:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-sfbay-09.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id mA4FCFOU019411; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 07:12:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-09.sun.com by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K9T00E01E89CS00@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> (original mail from Alan.Coopersmith@Sun.COM); Tue, 04 Nov 2008 07:12:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.6.102.118] by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K9T00I46E8B7U60@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com>; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 07:12:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 07:12:11 -0800 From: Alan Coopersmith Subject: Re: EOF of zulu, gfb and gfxp graphics support [PSARC/2008/666 FastTrack timeout 11/07/2008] In-reply-to: <490A6FD7.4060107@sun.com> Sender: Alan.Coopersmith@Sun.COM To: "Garrett D'Amore" Cc: Eric Sultan , PSARC-ext@Sun.COM, ron.bielaski@Sun.COM Message-id: <4910664B.9040706@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.1 References: <200810310040.m9V0erHD004476@thirdreef.sfbay.sun.com> <490A6FD7.4060107@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071119) Status: RO Content-Length: 910 Garrett D'Amore wrote: > 4) For some of these drivers (I know this is true for PGX32, but > probably also others), is it possible that the OpenSolaris community > could contribute support? (In particular, for PGX32 I can imagine that > an Xorg based solution might work with very little extra effort. But as noted by the TSI* package names for the PGX32 driver, the driver is provided by the OEM (TechSource), not Sun, so it's not ours to give away. I believe that OEM provides Xorg drivers for other platforms/hardware, so is capable of providing an Xorg driver should they see the business need. (Remember PGX32 is the odd man out of the PGX series - all others were simple ATI Rage devices using the Sun produced m64 drivers, but PGX32 was entirely different hardware and software.) -- -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersmith@sun.com Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering From gdamore@sun.com Tue Nov 4 07:25:47 2008 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mA4FPkuJ018172 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 07:25:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id mA4FPh2a020830; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 07:25:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0K9T0080DEUY4Y00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 08:25:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from sca-es-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.43.133]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0K9T00D3TEUXUXD0@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 08:25:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from fe-sfbay-09.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id mA4FPjVS020355; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 07:25:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-09.sun.com by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K9T00401ESPG800@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> (original mail from gdamore@sun.com) ; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 07:25:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.7.251.172] by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K9T00IBGEUW7UB0@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com>; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 07:25:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 07:20:54 -0800 From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: Re: EOF of zulu, gfb and gfxp graphics support [PSARC/2008/666 FastTrack timeout 11/07/2008] In-reply-to: <4910664B.9040706@sun.com> Sender: Garrett.Damore@sun.com To: Alan Coopersmith Cc: Eric Sultan , PSARC-ext@sun.com, ron.bielaski@sun.com Message-id: <49106856.4020701@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200810310040.m9V0erHD004476@thirdreef.sfbay.sun.com> <490A6FD7.4060107@sun.com> <4910664B.9040706@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080616) Status: RO Content-Length: 1381 Alan Coopersmith wrote: > Garrett D'Amore wrote: > >> 4) For some of these drivers (I know this is true for PGX32, but >> probably also others), is it possible that the OpenSolaris community >> could contribute support? (In particular, for PGX32 I can imagine that >> an Xorg based solution might work with very little extra effort. >> > > But as noted by the TSI* package names for the PGX32 driver, the driver > is provided by the OEM (TechSource), not Sun, so it's not ours to give > away. I believe that OEM provides Xorg drivers for other platforms/hardware, > so is capable of providing an Xorg driver should they see the business need. > > (Remember PGX32 is the odd man out of the PGX series - all others were > simple ATI Rage devices using the Sun produced m64 drivers, but PGX32 > was entirely different hardware and software.) > > Yes, I know that. As I said, I think Xorg for PGX32 might be very doable, even by an external contributor. gfb and zulu are "harder". I don't know how much of the IP in each of these is entirely Sun's, and how much of it belongs to other 3rd parties such as 3DLabs. Still, the more we can open source (or open up specifications for), the better, IMO. But as already noted, since there are viable alternatives for these on all platforms, I'm far less concerned that I might otherwise have been. -- Garrett From Eric.Sultan@sun.com Mon Nov 10 14:07:23 2008 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mAAM7MZP021526 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:07:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id mAAM7JEI010315; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:07:20 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KA500L0L1G7EI00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:07:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com ([192.18.98.34]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KA500IU31G77U60@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:07:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id mAAM7JeF003087; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:07:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KA500H0112FKI00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Eric.Sultan@Sun.COM); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:07:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from [129.146.94.117] by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KA5005EQ1G58E80@mail-amer.sun.com>; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:07:18 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:07:17 -0800 From: Eric Sultan Subject: Re: EOF of zulu, gfb and gfxp graphics support [PSARC/2008/666 FastTrack timeout 11/07/2008] In-reply-to: <200810310040.m9V0erHD004476@thirdreef.sfbay.sun.com> Sender: Eric.Sultan@sun.com To: PSARC-ext@sun.com Cc: Ron.Bielaski@sun.com Reply-to: Eric.Sultan@sun.com Message-id: <4918B095.4010204@Sun.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200810310040.m9V0erHD004476@thirdreef.sfbay.sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (X11/20070622) Status: RO Content-Length: 165 The timer having expired with no unresolved issues, and with sufficient evidence of active PSARC consideration, I'm marking this case closed-approved. -- Eric