From sureshc@sac.sfbay.sun.com Wed Jan 14 15:46:15 2009 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0ENkE6w005560 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:46:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n0ENkBPb015277; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 07:46:12 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KDH00E0PJCY4S00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:46:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from dm-sfbay-01.sfbay.sun.com ([129.145.155.118]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KDH00F0RJCWHJF0@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:46:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from sac.sfbay.sun.com (new-sac.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.175.65]) by dm-sfbay-01.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n0ENk7aZ048440; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:46:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from sac.sfbay.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0ENk6ql005537; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:46:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sureshc@localhost) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/Submit) id n0ENk6Cv005533; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:46:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:46:06 -0800 (PST) From: Suresh Chandrasekharan Subject: Hunspell [PSARC/2009/026 FastTrack timeout 01/23/2009] To: PSARC-ext@sun.com Cc: gto@sun.com Message-id: <200901142346.n0ENk6Cv005533@sac.sfbay.sun.com> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 Status: RO Content-Length: 3087 I'm sponsoring this fasttrack timing out on 01/23/09 for Jan Hnatek. Minor release binding is requested for this project. Case directory contain man pages and the FOSS checklist. Suresh Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase %I% %G% SMI This information is Copyright 2009 Sun Microsystems 1. Introduction 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: Hunspell 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: Author: Jan Hnatek 1.3 Date of This Document: 14 January, 2009 4. Technical Description Description ----------- This case proposes to package Hunspell 1.2.8 for OpenSolaris. Hunspell is a spell checker which can analyze patterns of word formation in complex languages. It is forked from myspell, works with myspell dictionaries and is a replacement for myspell. The name Hunspell is derived the fact that this was originally designed for Hungarian. It uses UTF-8 dictionaries for spell checking. Hunspell is currently the spell checker for OpenOffice, Firefox, Thunderbird along with a whole bunch of high profile apps like Opera browser and Google Chrome. We are planning to provide the Hunspell library along with header file, standalone program with munch/unmunch binaries for dictionary manipulation along with corresponding man pages through this proposal. The library and headerfile supplied will allow future applications to make use of hunspell APIs if needed. Standalone program hunspell and utitlities like munch/unmunch are very useful for dictionary developers. These will be delivered in the package named hunspell. Scope ----- Delivering the Hunspell dictionaries is not a part of this proposal and will be handled through seperate case(s). Exported Interfaces ------------------ /usr/lib/libhunspell-1.2.so.0.0.0 Uncommitted Hunspell library /usr/include/hunspell/hunspell.h Uncommitted header file /usr/bin/hunspell Uncommitted Hunspell binary /usr/bin/munch Uncommitted utility /usr/bin/unmunch Uncommitted utility /usr/share/man/man1/hunspell.1 Uncommitted Hunspell man page /usr/share/man/man1/munch.1 Uncommitted munch man page /usr/share/man/man1/unmunch.1 Uncommitted unmunch man page /usr/lib/libhunspell-1.2.so.0 and /usr/lib/libhunspell-1.2.so will be sym. linked to /usr/lib/libhunspell-1.2.so.0.0.0 Imported Interfaces ------------------ /usr/lib/libCstd.so.1 Committed C++ std libs /usr/lib/libCrun.so.1 Committed C++ run-time libs Limitations ----------- A couple of configuration options for Hunspell --with-readline and --with-ui depends on libreadline and libncurses/libncursesw which are not currently available in OpenSolaris, so readline support/Curses based UI for dictionary development wil not be available in this package. Release Bindings ---------------- Requesting minor release binding. Will be integrated through SFW. References --------- http://hunspell.sourceforge.net/ 6. Resources and Schedule 6.4. Steering Committee requested information 6.4.1. Consolidation C-team Name: SFW 6.5. ARC review type: FastTrack 6.6. ARC Exposure: open From carlsonj@phorcys.east.sun.com Wed Jan 14 17:23:58 2009 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0F1Nv9W026490 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:23:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n0F1Nuft024103; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:23:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KDH00M0FNVVME00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:23:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com ([129.148.174.143]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KDH0083TNVTKRF0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:23:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n0F1NqBL007055; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:23:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from carlsonj@localhost) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3/Submit) id n0F1Nq8M007052; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:23:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:23:52 -0500 From: James Carlson Subject: Re: Hunspell [PSARC/2009/026 FastTrack timeout 01/23/2009] In-reply-to: <200901142346.n0ENk6Cv005533@sac.sfbay.sun.com> To: Suresh Chandrasekharan Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, gto@sun.com Message-id: <18798.36904.837231.369573@gargle.gargle.HOWL> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VM 7.01 under Emacs 21.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200901142346.n0ENk6Cv005533@sac.sfbay.sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 931 Suresh Chandrasekharan writes: > Limitations > ----------- > > A couple of configuration options for Hunspell --with-readline > and --with-ui depends on libreadline and libncurses/libncursesw > which are not currently available in OpenSolaris, so readline > support/Curses based UI for dictionary development wil not be > available in this package. At least libncurses is in OpenSolaris now via the SUNWncurses package. As for libreadline, I had thought that we had other applications delivering in Solaris now that used it, and just had an ugly static linkage for legal reasons. (Really, we should just ship the darned thing already.) Have you asked the SFW gatekeepers about libreadline status? -- James Carlson, Solaris Networking Sun Microsystems / 35 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677 From Jyri.Virkki@sun.com Wed Jan 14 17:39:01 2009 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0F1d0UV026525 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:39:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n0F1co63009579; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:38:58 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KDH0000BOKVIR00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:38:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from sca-es-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.43.133]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KDH00NK2OKU3F00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:38:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-sfbay-09.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n0F1csDK028226; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:38:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-09.sun.com by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KDH00N01OHL2D00@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> (original mail from Jyri.Virkki@Sun.COM); Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:38:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.11.5] ([209.128.86.122]) by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KDH001MDOKTL5F0@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com>; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:38:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:38:48 -0800 From: Jyri Virkki Subject: Re: Hunspell [PSARC/2009/026 FastTrack timeout 01/23/2009] In-reply-to: <18798.36904.837231.369573@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Sender: Jyri.Virkki@sun.com To: James Carlson Cc: Suresh Chandrasekharan , PSARC-ext@sun.com, gto@sun.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Content-type: text/plain; delsp=yes; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200901142346.n0ENk6Cv005533@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <18798.36904.837231.369573@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Status: RO Content-Length: 490 On Jan 14, 2009, at 5:23 PM, James Carlson wrote: > > As for libreadline, I had thought that we had other applications > delivering in Solaris now that used it, and just had an ugly static > linkage for legal reasons. (Really, we should just ship the darned > thing already.) > > Have you asked the SFW gatekeepers about libreadline status? Correct, SFW has readline available at build time for applications to statically link in, even though it is not shipped as a shared library. From gdamore@Sun.COM Wed Jan 14 17:59:33 2009 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0F1xW0R026892 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:59:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n0F1xVZD038105; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:59:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KDH00709PJ7C200@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:59:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from sca-es-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.43.133]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KDH003MAPJ7JCA0@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:59:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-sfbay-09.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n0F1xU2l029428; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:59:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-09.sun.com by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KDH00F01PF14E00@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> (original mail from gdamore@sun.com) ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:59:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.7.251.172] by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KDH001J4PJ6V850@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com>; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:59:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:49:55 -0800 From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: Re: Hunspell [PSARC/2009/026 FastTrack timeout 01/23/2009] In-reply-to: Sender: Garrett.Damore@Sun.COM To: Jyri Virkki Cc: James Carlson , Suresh Chandrasekharan , PSARC-ext@Sun.COM, gto@Sun.COM Message-id: <496E9643.7010200@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200901142346.n0ENk6Cv005533@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <18798.36904.837231.369573@gargle.gargle.HOWL> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080616) Status: RO Content-Length: 757 Jyri Virkki wrote: > > On Jan 14, 2009, at 5:23 PM, James Carlson wrote: >> >> As for libreadline, I had thought that we had other applications >> delivering in Solaris now that used it, and just had an ugly static >> linkage for legal reasons. (Really, we should just ship the darned >> thing already.) >> >> Have you asked the SFW gatekeepers about libreadline status? > > Correct, SFW has readline available at build time for applications to > statically link in, even though it is not shipped as a shared library. > > > This is probably redundant to checks others have made, but I *presume* hunspell is therefore GPL? One cannot deliver a binary statically linked against GPL (isn't readline GPL?) unless said binary is also GPL. -- Garrett From Sebastien.Roy@sun.com Wed Jan 14 17:59:43 2009 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0F1xhtq026908 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:59:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n0F1xhwn027634; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:59:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KDH00107PJJUG00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:59:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.98.31]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KDH00NAGPJI3810@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:59:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n0F1xgZJ023828; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 01:59:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KDH00001PFHUG00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Sebastien.Roy@Sun.COM); Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:59:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.6] ([71.174.191.231]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KDH00D9QPJHD4C0@mail-amer.sun.com>; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:59:42 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:59:40 -0500 From: Sebastien Roy Subject: Re: Hunspell [PSARC/2009/026 FastTrack timeout 01/23/2009] In-reply-to: <200901142346.n0ENk6Cv005533@sac.sfbay.sun.com> Sender: Sebastien.Roy@sun.com To: Suresh Chandrasekharan Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, gto@sun.com Message-id: <1231984780.12330.14.camel@seb> Organization: Sun Microsystems MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.24.2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200901142346.n0ENk6Cv005533@sac.sfbay.sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 684 On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 15:46 -0800, Suresh Chandrasekharan wrote: > Hunspell is currently the spell checker for OpenOffice, > Firefox, Thunderbird along with a whole bunch of high profile > apps like Opera browser and Google Chrome. The above statement could be interpreted in a number of different ways. Is it that: 1. Hunspell is currently included as a private implementation detail of these applications in OpenSolaris, and that this case will replace those private implementations. or 2. Hunspell is currently used by these applications on other platforms, and that this case will modify these applications to use Hunspell on OpenSolaris. or 3. Something else? -Seb From Suresh.Chandrasekharan@Sun.COM Wed Jan 14 22:06:53 2009 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0F66qN2017457 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:06:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n0F66qOI008010; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:06:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KDI00I010ZGZU00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:06:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from sca-es-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.43.132]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KDI00NYL0ZF3LC0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:06:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-sfbay-09.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n0F66pjr026803; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:06:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-09.sun.com by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KDI00N010XJ3400@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> (original mail from Suresh.Chandrasekharan@Sun.COM); Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:06:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.70] ([74.183.249.33]) by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KDI00HQW0ZEBQ90@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com>; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:06:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 01:06:34 -0500 From: Suresh Chandrasekharan Subject: Re: Hunspell [PSARC/2009/026 FastTrack timeout 01/23/2009] In-reply-to: <18798.36904.837231.369573@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Sender: Suresh.Chandrasekharan@Sun.COM To: James Carlson Cc: Suresh Chandrasekharan , PSARC-ext@Sun.COM, gto@Sun.COM Message-id: <496ED26A.1040605@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200901142346.n0ENk6Cv005533@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <18798.36904.837231.369573@gargle.gargle.HOWL> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081023) Status: RO Content-Length: 993 Thanks for the info about SUNWncurses, project team will make sure leverage that (Without ncursesw which is needed for Unicode support on interactive console). Will check on the readline status too. Regards, Suresh James Carlson wrote: > Suresh Chandrasekharan writes: > >> Limitations >> ----------- >> >> A couple of configuration options for Hunspell --with-readline >> and --with-ui depends on libreadline and libncurses/libncursesw >> which are not currently available in OpenSolaris, so readline >> support/Curses based UI for dictionary development wil not be >> available in this package. >> > > At least libncurses is in OpenSolaris now via the SUNWncurses package. > > As for libreadline, I had thought that we had other applications > delivering in Solaris now that used it, and just had an ugly static > linkage for legal reasons. (Really, we should just ship the darned > thing already.) > > Have you asked the SFW gatekeepers about libreadline status? > > From Suresh.Chandrasekharan@sun.com Wed Jan 14 22:43:48 2009 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0F6hlKd017799 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:43:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n0F6hNhg012774; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:43:46 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KDI00D012OQMW00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:43:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from sca-es-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.43.133]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KDI00D342OPJS00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:43:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n0F6hbln012053; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:43:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KDI002012JQJN00@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> (original mail from Suresh.Chandrasekharan@Sun.COM); Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:43:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.70] ([74.183.249.33]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KDI002GN2OOXJ00@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com>; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:43:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 01:43:19 -0500 From: Suresh Chandrasekharan Subject: Re: Hunspell [PSARC/2009/026 FastTrack timeout 01/23/2009] In-reply-to: <496E9643.7010200@sun.com> Sender: Suresh.Chandrasekharan@sun.com To: "Garrett D'Amore" Cc: Jyri Virkki , James Carlson , Suresh Chandrasekharan , PSARC-ext@sun.com, gto@sun.com Message-id: <496EDB07.1000400@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200901142346.n0ENk6Cv005533@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <18798.36904.837231.369573@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <496E9643.7010200@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081023) Status: RO Content-Length: 1002 Thanks much. libreadline is GPL, hunspell 1.2.8 is licensed under MPL 1.1/GPL 2.0/LGPL 2.1, will check with legal how static libreadline + 3 license hunspell linking turns out to be. Suresh Garrett D'Amore wrote: > Jyri Virkki wrote: >> >> On Jan 14, 2009, at 5:23 PM, James Carlson wrote: >>> >>> As for libreadline, I had thought that we had other applications >>> delivering in Solaris now that used it, and just had an ugly static >>> linkage for legal reasons. (Really, we should just ship the darned >>> thing already.) >>> >>> Have you asked the SFW gatekeepers about libreadline status? >> >> Correct, SFW has readline available at build time for applications to >> statically link in, even though it is not shipped as a shared library. >> >> >> > This is probably redundant to checks others have made, but I *presume* > hunspell is therefore GPL? One cannot deliver a binary statically > linked against GPL (isn't readline GPL?) unless said binary is also GPL. > > -- Garrett > From Suresh.Chandrasekharan@sun.com Wed Jan 14 23:08:25 2009 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0F78PYi018254 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:08:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n0F78LfL007039; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:08:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KDI00N1L3TZ3A00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:08:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from sca-es-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.43.132]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KDI00NF63TY3HF0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:08:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n0F78MHh000690; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:08:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KDI00H013TMS700@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> (original mail from Suresh.Chandrasekharan@Sun.COM); Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:08:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.70] ([74.183.249.33]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KDI0021N3TXXJ50@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com>; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:08:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 02:08:05 -0500 From: Suresh Chandrasekharan Subject: Re: Hunspell [PSARC/2009/026 FastTrack timeout 01/23/2009] In-reply-to: <1231984780.12330.14.camel@seb> Sender: Suresh.Chandrasekharan@sun.com To: Sebastien Roy Cc: Suresh Chandrasekharan , PSARC-ext@sun.com, gto@sun.com Message-id: <496EE0D5.4090806@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200901142346.n0ENk6Cv005533@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <1231984780.12330.14.camel@seb> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081023) Status: RO Content-Length: 1355 Project team is not aware of thunderbird/firefox/openoffice binaries having a private copy of hunspell library. (They may be having hunspell sources directly compiled in their executables). Even if they do maintain private copies of the library, it's up to each of these teams to decide if they would like to link to the hunspell library that this case provides and forgo their private dependencies. This project is more oriented towards to cater to new/existing applications which needs a sophisticated spell checker library, and tools for dictionary developers for hunspell. Suresh Sebastien Roy wrote: > On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 15:46 -0800, Suresh Chandrasekharan wrote: > >> Hunspell is currently the spell checker for OpenOffice, >> Firefox, Thunderbird along with a whole bunch of high profile >> apps like Opera browser and Google Chrome. >> > > The above statement could be interpreted in a number of different ways. > Is it that: > > 1. Hunspell is currently included as a private implementation detail of > these applications in OpenSolaris, and that this case will replace those > private implementations. > > or > > 2. Hunspell is currently used by these applications on other platforms, > and that this case will modify these applications to use Hunspell on > OpenSolaris. > > or > > 3. Something else? > > -Seb > > > From Sebastien.Roy@sun.com Thu Jan 15 05:19:54 2009 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0FDJsSH029224 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 05:19:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n0FDJrRf001232; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 05:19:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KDI00805L14C300@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 05:19:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com ([192.18.98.36]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KDI007GUL13ZC10@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 05:19:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n0FDJpgG027938; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:19:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KDI00601L10IF00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Sebastien.Roy@Sun.COM); Thu, 15 Jan 2009 06:19:51 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.6] ([173.76.18.185]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KDI000TXL12N910@mail-amer.sun.com>; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 06:19:51 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 08:19:49 -0500 From: Sebastien Roy Subject: Re: Hunspell [PSARC/2009/026 FastTrack timeout 01/23/2009] In-reply-to: <496EE0D5.4090806@sun.com> Sender: Sebastien.Roy@sun.com To: Suresh Chandrasekharan Cc: gto@sun.com, PSARC-ext@sun.com, Suresh Chandrasekharan Message-id: <1232025589.12330.33.camel@seb> Organization: Sun Microsystems MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.24.2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200901142346.n0ENk6Cv005533@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <1231984780.12330.14.camel@seb> <496EE0D5.4090806@sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 994 On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 02:08 -0500, Suresh Chandrasekharan wrote: > Project team is not aware of thunderbird/firefox/openoffice binaries > having a private copy of hunspell library. (They may be having hunspell > sources directly compiled in their executables). Even if they do > maintain private copies of the library, it's up to each of these teams > to decide if they would like to link to the hunspell library that this > case provides and forgo their private dependencies. Maybe so, but I'd suggest that it's your job as a responsible engineer to go talk to those project teams and at least make them aware that you're doing this work. Have you done that? > This project is more oriented towards to cater to new/existing > applications which needs a sophisticated spell checker library, and > tools for dictionary developers for hunspell. Sure, I get that. My point was merely that we should try and avoid including multiple copies of the same software with the system. -Seb From Suresh.Chandrasekharan@sun.com Thu Jan 15 06:30:06 2009 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0FEU6Xu000458 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 06:30:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n0FEU3BN005784; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 06:30:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KDI00H0NOA66J00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 06:30:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from sca-es-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.43.132]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KDI00BB6OA4LM80@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 06:30:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-sfbay-09.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n0FEU4ul017110; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 06:30:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-09.sun.com by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KDI00301O31R800@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> (original mail from Suresh.Chandrasekharan@Sun.COM); Thu, 15 Jan 2009 06:30:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.70] ([74.183.249.33]) by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KDI005BSO9PIV00@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com>; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 06:29:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:29:33 -0500 From: Suresh Chandrasekharan Subject: Re: Hunspell [PSARC/2009/026 FastTrack timeout 01/23/2009] In-reply-to: <1232025589.12330.33.camel@seb> Sender: Suresh.Chandrasekharan@sun.com To: Sebastien Roy Cc: gto@sun.com, PSARC-ext@sun.com, Suresh Chandrasekharan Message-id: <496F484D.3050103@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200901142346.n0ENk6Cv005533@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <1231984780.12330.14.camel@seb> <496EE0D5.4090806@sun.com> <1232025589.12330.33.camel@seb> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081023) Status: RO Content-Length: 1607 Thanks much for the suggestions, no, we haven't talked with these teams. All these products mentioned here are extremely widely used cross-platform solutions in their respective areas, sourced from the upstream communities to put in OpenSolaris, due to their very cross-platform nature, I think this case makes little difference to these products. (This is not to escape from the project team's responsibility to communicate with the stakeholders, but in this specific instance stakes are extremely low for them.) Suresh Sebastien Roy wrote: > On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 02:08 -0500, Suresh Chandrasekharan wrote: > >> Project team is not aware of thunderbird/firefox/openoffice binaries >> having a private copy of hunspell library. (They may be having hunspell >> sources directly compiled in their executables). Even if they do >> maintain private copies of the library, it's up to each of these teams >> to decide if they would like to link to the hunspell library that this >> case provides and forgo their private dependencies. >> > > Maybe so, but I'd suggest that it's your job as a responsible engineer > to go talk to those project teams and at least make them aware that > you're doing this work. Have you done that? > > >> This project is more oriented towards to cater to new/existing >> applications which needs a sophisticated spell checker library, and >> tools for dictionary developers for hunspell. >> > > Sure, I get that. My point was merely that we should try and avoid > including multiple copies of the same software with the system. > > -Seb > > > From Jan.Hnatek@sun.com Thu Jan 15 06:36:51 2009 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0FEapXv000568 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 06:36:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n0FEaUGp009505; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 06:36:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KDI00G0BOLEJ400@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 07:36:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from gmp-eb-inf-2.sun.com ([192.18.6.24]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KDI00CULOLD6O30@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 07:36:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from fe-emea-09.sun.com (gmp-eb-lb-2-fe2.eu.sun.com [192.18.6.11]) by gmp-eb-inf-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n0FEanwg004615; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:36:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-emea-09.sun.com by fe-emea-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KDI00K01MO3AF00@fe-emea-09.sun.com> (original mail from Jan.Hnatek@Sun.COM); Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:36:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [129.157.18.148] by fe-emea-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KDI007TFOL7OV00@fe-emea-09.sun.com>; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:36:43 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:36:39 +0100 From: Jan Hnatek Subject: Re: Hunspell [PSARC/2009/026 FastTrack timeout 01/23/2009] In-reply-to: <1232025589.12330.33.camel@seb> Sender: Jan.Hnatek@sun.com To: Sebastien Roy Cc: Suresh Chandrasekharan , gto@sun.com, PSARC-ext@sun.com, Suresh Chandrasekharan , Jeff Cai Message-id: <496F49F7.9030507@sun.com> Organization: SUN Microsystems MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200901142346.n0ENk6Cv005533@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <1231984780.12330.14.camel@seb> <496EE0D5.4090806@sun.com> <1232025589.12330.33.camel@seb> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081203) Status: RO Content-Length: 1565 Sebastien Roy wrote: > On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 02:08 -0500, Suresh Chandrasekharan wrote: >> Project team is not aware of thunderbird/firefox/openoffice binaries >> having a private copy of hunspell library. (They may be having hunspell >> sources directly compiled in their executables). Even if they do >> maintain private copies of the library, it's up to each of these teams >> to decide if they would like to link to the hunspell library that this >> case provides and forgo their private dependencies. > > Maybe so, but I'd suggest that it's your job as a responsible engineer > to go talk to those project teams and at least make them aware that > you're doing this work. Have you done that? You're correct and I received the following information from Jeff Cai: "Currently Enchant included an internal copy of Hunspell 1.2.2 so Enchant can use Hunspell spell checker as a back end. After Hunspell goes into Solaris, the internal copy can be removed from Enchant." The above mentioned applications use Enchant as a unified spell checking interface. I'll work with Jeff to have the Enchant's internal copy of Hunspell removed once this project gets into Solaris. hnhn > >> This project is more oriented towards to cater to new/existing >> applications which needs a sophisticated spell checker library, and >> tools for dictionary developers for hunspell. > > Sure, I get that. My point was merely that we should try and avoid > including multiple copies of the same software with the system. > > -Seb > > -- Jan Hnatek jan.hnatek@sun.com From Sebastien.Roy@sun.com Thu Jan 15 06:55:31 2009 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0FEtU2a001094 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 06:55:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n0FEtRJV026040; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:55:29 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KDI00645PGEK600@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 06:55:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.98.31]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KDI0051LPGEP610@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 06:55:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n0FEtPPH011632; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:55:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KDI00D01P9LSA00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Sebastien.Roy@Sun.COM); Thu, 15 Jan 2009 07:55:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.6] ([173.76.18.185]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KDI00H5OPFSXF70@mail-amer.sun.com>; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 07:55:06 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:55:03 -0500 From: Sebastien Roy Subject: Re: Hunspell [PSARC/2009/026 FastTrack timeout 01/23/2009] In-reply-to: <496F49F7.9030507@sun.com> Sender: Sebastien.Roy@sun.com To: Jan Hnatek Cc: Suresh Chandrasekharan , gto@sun.com, PSARC-ext@sun.com, Suresh Chandrasekharan , Jeff Cai Message-id: <1232031303.26615.1.camel@seb> Organization: Sun Microsystems MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.24.2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200901142346.n0ENk6Cv005533@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <1231984780.12330.14.camel@seb> <496EE0D5.4090806@sun.com> <1232025589.12330.33.camel@seb> <496F49F7.9030507@sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 1321 On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 15:36 +0100, Jan Hnatek wrote: > Sebastien Roy wrote: > > On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 02:08 -0500, Suresh Chandrasekharan wrote: > >> Project team is not aware of thunderbird/firefox/openoffice binaries > >> having a private copy of hunspell library. (They may be having hunspell > >> sources directly compiled in their executables). Even if they do > >> maintain private copies of the library, it's up to each of these teams > >> to decide if they would like to link to the hunspell library that this > >> case provides and forgo their private dependencies. > > > > Maybe so, but I'd suggest that it's your job as a responsible engineer > > to go talk to those project teams and at least make them aware that > > you're doing this work. Have you done that? > > You're correct and I received the following information from Jeff Cai: > "Currently Enchant included an internal copy of Hunspell 1.2.2 > so Enchant can use Hunspell spell checker as a back end. > After Hunspell goes into Solaris, the internal copy can be removed from Enchant." > > The above mentioned applications use Enchant as a unified spell checking interface. > I'll work with Jeff to have the Enchant's internal copy of Hunspell removed > once this project gets into Solaris. This is an excellent result, thank you. -Seb From Nicolas.Williams@sun.com Thu Jan 15 08:57:49 2009 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0FGvnks021063 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 08:57:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n0FGvlJn010817; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:57:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KDI00D03V4ASE00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 08:57:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from binky.Central.Sun.COM ([129.153.128.104]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KDI005FOV4APKA0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 08:57:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from binky.Central.Sun.COM (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by binky.Central.Sun.COM (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n0FGuZpa010935; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:56:35 -0600 (CST) Received: (from nw141292@localhost) by binky.Central.Sun.COM (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3/Submit) id n0FGuZkf010934; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:56:35 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:56:35 -0600 From: Nicolas Williams Subject: Re: Hunspell [PSARC/2009/026 FastTrack timeout 01/23/2009] In-reply-to: <496F484D.3050103@sun.com> To: Suresh Chandrasekharan Cc: Sebastien Roy , gto@sun.com, PSARC-ext@sun.com, Suresh Chandrasekharan Message-id: <20090115165634.GJ884@Sun.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200901142346.n0ENk6Cv005533@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <1231984780.12330.14.camel@seb> <496EE0D5.4090806@sun.com> <1232025589.12330.33.camel@seb> <496F484D.3050103@sun.com> X-Authentication-warning: binky.Central.Sun.COM: nw141292 set sender to Nicolas.Williams@sun.com using -f User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i Status: RO Content-Length: 1345 On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 09:29:33AM -0500, Suresh Chandrasekharan wrote: > Thanks much for the suggestions, no, we haven't talked with these teams. > > All these products mentioned here are extremely widely used > cross-platform solutions in their respective areas, sourced from the > upstream communities to put in OpenSolaris, due to their very > cross-platform nature, I think this case makes little difference to > these products. OTOH, Firefox and other apps also use SQLite3 in much the same way, and though we ship SQLite3 in OpenSolaris and though Firefox still uses a private version, we are coordinating so we can switch to having Firefox use the SQLite3 library shipped with OpenSolaris. If we can coordinate this for one library, why can't we for others? > (This is not to escape from the project team's responsibility to > communicate with the stakeholders, but in this specific instance stakes > are extremely low for them.) This is true. It's our responsibility to: a) ask the desktop (and other) teams what build configuration requirements they have for any one generic component, b) inform them that we're shipping that component in the OS. It's their responsibility to then c) switch to using the system version of that component instead of a private instance. (c) might well take a long time to happen. Nico -- From Suresh.Chandrasekharan@sun.com Thu Jan 15 09:28:07 2009 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0FHS7i0021384 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:28:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n0FHS4xI021238; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:28:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KDI00F15WITC300@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:28:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from sca-es-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.43.133]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KDI0053HWISP6D0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:28:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n0FHS40g013739; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:28:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KDI00201WHG8100@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> (original mail from Suresh.Chandrasekharan@Sun.COM); Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:28:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.70] ([74.183.249.33]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KDI00KL6WIFJ690@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com>; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:27:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:27:34 -0500 From: Suresh Chandrasekharan Subject: Re: Hunspell [PSARC/2009/026 FastTrack timeout 01/23/2009] In-reply-to: <20090115165634.GJ884@Sun.COM> Sender: Suresh.Chandrasekharan@sun.com Cc: gto@sun.com, PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <496F7206.1090302@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200901142346.n0ENk6Cv005533@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <1231984780.12330.14.camel@seb> <496EE0D5.4090806@sun.com> <1232025589.12330.33.camel@seb> <496F484D.3050103@sun.com> <20090115165634.GJ884@Sun.COM> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081023) Status: RO Content-Length: 1768 Thanks much. It turns out that there was a recent communication by project team with the owner of common spellcheck backend used by these 3 apps and they have agree to look into replacing their private copy with the delivery of this project. It was mistake from my part in saying that we did not communicate. Regards, Suresh Nicolas Williams wrote: > On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 09:29:33AM -0500, Suresh Chandrasekharan wrote: > >> Thanks much for the suggestions, no, we haven't talked with these teams. >> >> All these products mentioned here are extremely widely used >> cross-platform solutions in their respective areas, sourced from the >> upstream communities to put in OpenSolaris, due to their very >> cross-platform nature, I think this case makes little difference to >> these products. >> > > OTOH, Firefox and other apps also use SQLite3 in much the same way, and > though we ship SQLite3 in OpenSolaris and though Firefox still uses a > private version, we are coordinating so we can switch to having Firefox > use the SQLite3 library shipped with OpenSolaris. > > If we can coordinate this for one library, why can't we for others? > > >> (This is not to escape from the project team's responsibility to >> communicate with the stakeholders, but in this specific instance stakes >> are extremely low for them.) >> > > This is true. It's our responsibility to: a) ask the desktop (and > other) teams what build configuration requirements they have for any one > generic component, b) inform them that we're shipping that component in > the OS. It's their responsibility to then c) switch to using the system > version of that component instead of a private instance. (c) might well > take a long time to happen. > > Nico > From Suresh.Chandrasekharan@sun.com Mon Jan 26 06:40:22 2009 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0QEeK66029907 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 06:40:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n0QEeGhn017695; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:40:18 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KE300J0X235CQ00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 06:40:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from sca-es-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.43.132]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KE300IRW234OE00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 06:40:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-sfbay-09.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n0QEeGGl022002; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 06:40:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-09.sun.com by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KE30080121L4Y00@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> (original mail from Suresh.Chandrasekharan@Sun.COM); Mon, 26 Jan 2009 06:40:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.70] ([74.183.249.33]) by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KE30081J22YVG70@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com>; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 06:40:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 09:40:10 -0500 From: Suresh Chandrasekharan Subject: Re: Hunspell [PSARC/2009/026 FastTrack timeout 01/23/2009] In-reply-to: <496F7206.1090302@sun.com> Sender: Suresh.Chandrasekharan@sun.com To: Suresh Chandrasekharan Cc: gto@sun.com, PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <497DCB4A.8010401@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200901142346.n0ENk6Cv005533@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <1231984780.12330.14.camel@seb> <496EE0D5.4090806@sun.com> <1232025589.12330.33.camel@seb> <496F484D.3050103@sun.com> <20090115165634.GJ884@Sun.COM> <496F7206.1090302@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081023) Status: RO Content-Length: 2252 This case timed out and approved on 01/23/2009. The following feedbacks were received for this case. 1. Check with legal about the possibility of static linking with libreadline 2. Leverage SUNWncurses 3. Communicate with the stakeholder teams., firefox/thunderbird/OpenOffice to leverage the library delivered by this case. Pl. remove the case from this weeks' active ones. Thanks, Suresh Suresh Chandrasekharan wrote: > Thanks much. It turns out that there was a recent communication by > project team with the owner of common spellcheck backend used by these > 3 apps and they have agree to look into replacing their private copy > with the delivery of this project. It was mistake from my part in > saying that we did not communicate. > > Regards, > Suresh > > Nicolas Williams wrote: >> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 09:29:33AM -0500, Suresh Chandrasekharan wrote: >> >>> Thanks much for the suggestions, no, we haven't talked with these >>> teams. >>> >>> All these products mentioned here are extremely widely used >>> cross-platform solutions in their respective areas, sourced from the >>> upstream communities to put in OpenSolaris, due to their very >>> cross-platform nature, I think this case makes little difference to >>> these products. >>> >> >> OTOH, Firefox and other apps also use SQLite3 in much the same way, and >> though we ship SQLite3 in OpenSolaris and though Firefox still uses a >> private version, we are coordinating so we can switch to having Firefox >> use the SQLite3 library shipped with OpenSolaris. >> >> If we can coordinate this for one library, why can't we for others? >> >> >>> (This is not to escape from the project team's responsibility to >>> communicate with the stakeholders, but in this specific instance >>> stakes are extremely low for them.) >>> >> >> This is true. It's our responsibility to: a) ask the desktop (and >> other) teams what build configuration requirements they have for any one >> generic component, b) inform them that we're shipping that component in >> the OS. It's their responsibility to then c) switch to using the system >> version of that component instead of a private instance. (c) might well >> take a long time to happen. >> >> Nico >> > From Sebastien.Roy@sun.com Mon Jan 26 06:53:25 2009 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0QErP5M029997 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 06:53:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n0QErNR1025734; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 07:53:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KE300I172P02E00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 07:53:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.98.43]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KE300EUC2OZJ420@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 07:53:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n0QErNlt012069; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:53:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KE300H01285OD00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Sebastien.Roy@Sun.COM); Mon, 26 Jan 2009 07:53:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from [129.148.174.103] by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KE3004BF2OVDI80@mail-amer.sun.com>; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 07:53:20 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 09:53:08 -0500 From: Sebastien Roy Subject: Re: Hunspell [PSARC/2009/026 FastTrack timeout 01/23/2009] In-reply-to: <497DCB4A.8010401@sun.com> Sender: Sebastien.Roy@sun.com To: Suresh Chandrasekharan Cc: gto@sun.com, PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <1232981588.19702.18.camel@strat> Organization: Sun Microsystems MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.24.2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200901142346.n0ENk6Cv005533@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <1231984780.12330.14.camel@seb> <496EE0D5.4090806@sun.com> <1232025589.12330.33.camel@seb> <496F484D.3050103@sun.com> <20090115165634.GJ884@Sun.COM> <496F7206.1090302@sun.com> <497DCB4A.8010401@sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 308 On Mon, 2009-01-26 at 09:40 -0500, Suresh Chandrasekharan wrote: > This case timed out and approved on 01/23/2009. ... > Pl. remove the case from this weeks' active ones. That list is a function of the IAM file's "Status" line, which you've updated. There's nothing further that needs to be done. -Seb From Suresh.Chandrasekharan@Sun.COM Mon Jan 26 07:04:03 2009 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0QF4370000471 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 07:04:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n0QF3wQK005210; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 15:04:01 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KE30050936OST00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 07:04:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from sca-es-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.43.132]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KE3004HF36NC820@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 07:03:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-sfbay-09.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n0QF3xR5023616; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 07:03:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-09.sun.com by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KE3003012WZ7D00@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> (original mail from Suresh.Chandrasekharan@Sun.COM); Mon, 26 Jan 2009 07:03:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.70] ([74.183.249.33]) by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KE30084Q36IVGG0@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com>; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 07:03:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 10:03:54 -0500 From: Suresh Chandrasekharan Subject: Re: Hunspell [PSARC/2009/026 FastTrack timeout 01/23/2009] In-reply-to: <1232981588.19702.18.camel@strat> Sender: Suresh.Chandrasekharan@Sun.COM To: Sebastien Roy Cc: gto@Sun.COM, PSARC-ext@Sun.COM Message-id: <497DD0DA.9050600@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200901142346.n0ENk6Cv005533@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <1231984780.12330.14.camel@seb> <496EE0D5.4090806@sun.com> <1232025589.12330.33.camel@seb> <496F484D.3050103@sun.com> <20090115165634.GJ884@Sun.COM> <496F7206.1090302@sun.com> <497DCB4A.8010401@sun.com> <1232981588.19702.18.camel@strat> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081023) Status: RO Content-Length: 398 Thanks. Since the PSARC Summary was already created before I updated the IAM file, I just want to make sure that this is removed from this weeks list. Suresh Sebastien Roy wrote: > >> Pl. remove the case from this weeks' active ones. >> > > That list is a function of the IAM file's "Status" line, which you've > updated. There's nothing further that needs to be done. > > -Seb > > >