From johnf@sr1-umpk-12.sfbay.sun.com Thu Jan 29 10:54:30 2009 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0TIsUdx026820 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:54:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n0TIsSnp035230 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:54:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KE800103XUSRS00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:54:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from dm-sfbay-01.sfbay.sun.com ([129.145.155.118]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KE800A2OXUS6WB0@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:54:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from sr1-umpk-12.sfbay.sun.com (sr1-umpk-12.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.154.112]) by dm-sfbay-01.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n0TIsRxc003838; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:54:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from sr1-umpk-12.sfbay.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sr1-umpk-12.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0TIsRqi044665; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:54:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (from johnf@localhost) by sr1-umpk-12.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/Submit) id n0TIsRx5044661; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:54:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:54:27 -0800 (PST) From: John Fischer Subject: Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix (VDPAU) [PSARC/2009/059 FastTrack timeout 02/05/2009] To: PSARC-ext@sun.com Cc: john.fischer@sun.com, john.martin@sun.com Message-id: <200901291854.n0TIsRx5044661@sr1-umpk-12.sfbay.sun.com> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 Status: RO Content-Length: 3999 Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase %I% %G% SMI This information is Copyright 2009 Sun Microsystems 1. Introduction 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix (VDPAU) 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: Author: John Martin 1.3 Date of This Document: 29 January, 2009 4. Technical Description Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.66 04/17/08 SMI This information is Copyright 2009 Sun Microsystems 1. Introduction 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix (VDPAU) 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: Author: John Martin 1.3 Date of This Document: 29 January, 2009 4. Technical Description The Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix (VDPAU) is a development and runtime environment which provides decode, post-processing, compositing, and display of compressed and uncompressed video streams. It is not a standalone video player but instead an environment which can be used by video players and other video applications. It also does not address content protection. The VDPAU API is initially defined and implemented by NVIDIA. The implementation of libvdpau.so is a DSO frontend that can load any vendor's backend driver. libvdpau.so will be open sourced with a MIT-X11 license and hosted by X.Org. As of this writing, the VDPAU API provides the following features: + GPU-accelerated decode of MPEG-1, MPEG-2, H.264, WMV-3 and VC-1 bitstreams + Post-processing of decoded video, including temporal and spatial deinterlacing, inverse telecine, and noise reduction + Timestamp-based presentation of final video frames + Compositing sub-picture, on-screen display, and other UI elements It is important to note this is limited to GPU accelerated so support depends on the hardware. There is not a software fallback path in VDPAU if the hardware does not support these features. Also, even though VDPAU provides a large subset of the PureVideo HD functionality delivered on Windows, there is no guarantee all PureVideo features are (or will be) delivered on Solaris. While the API will be classified as volatile for this document, the plan is to maintain backward compatibility in future releases. Delivery will be in the existing SYSV package NVDAgraphics which installs files in the following directories: /usr/include/vdpau: VDPAU headers /usr/lib: VDPAU 32-bit libraries /usr/lib/amd64: VDPAU 64-bit libraries The main web page for VDPAU is: http://http.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/vdpau/doxygen/html/index.html This includes documentation for the API. Documentation is not part of the package delivery for Solaris. Support for VDPAU is provided by NVIDIA through their developer forum. Bugtraq: nvidia/nvidia/other Interfaces Exported Interface Classification Comments ----------------------------------------------------------------- /usr/include/vdpau/vdpau.h Volatile Defined by NVIDIA /usr/include/vdpau/vdpau_x11.h Volatile Defined by NVIDIA /usr/lib/libvdpau.so.1 Volatile Defined by NVIDIA /usr/lib/libvdpau.so Volatile Defined by NVIDIA /usr/lib/amd64/libvdpau.so.1 Volatile Defined by NVIDIA /usr/lib/amd64/libvdpau.so Volatile Defined by NVIDIA The libraries /usr/lib[/amd64]/libvdpau_nvidia.so.1 and /usr/lib[/amd64]/libvdpau_trace.so.1 are private objects and should not be linked in for normal application development. 6. Resources and Schedule 6.4. Steering Committee requested information 6.4.1. Consolidation C-team Name: X 6.5. ARC review type: FastTrack 6.6. ARC Exposure: open 6. Resources and Schedule 6.4. Steering Committee requested information 6.4.1. Consolidation C-team Name: JDS - X 6.5. ARC review type: FastTrack 6.6. ARC Exposure: open From gdamore@sun.com Thu Jan 29 11:12:34 2009 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0TJCXiP027416 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:12:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n0TJCW2l000979 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:12:33 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KE80000BYOWZM00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:12:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from sca-es-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.43.132]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KE800051YOVSS00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:12:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n0TJCVqS012895 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:12:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KE800401YCWP700@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> (original mail from gdamore@sun.com) for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:12:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.251.11] ([76.93.15.33]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KE800ACPYOR8C20@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com>; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:12:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:12:27 -0800 From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: Re: Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix (VDPAU) [PSARC/2009/059 FastTrack timeout 02/05/2009] In-reply-to: <200901291854.n0TIsRx5044661@sr1-umpk-12.sfbay.sun.com> Sender: Garrett.Damore@sun.com To: John Fischer Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, John.Fischer@sun.com, John.Martin@sun.com Message-id: <4981FF9B.1070009@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200901291854.n0TIsRx5044661@sr1-umpk-12.sfbay.sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081201) Status: RO Content-Length: 4418 How will applications determine whether VDPAU will work on their display or not? Are there any plans for integrating this with any actual applications, or with gstreamer or other desktop video apps? -- Garrett John Fischer wrote: > Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase %I% %G% SMI > This information is Copyright 2009 Sun Microsystems > 1. Introduction > 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: > Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix (VDPAU) > 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: > Author: John Martin > 1.3 Date of This Document: > 29 January, 2009 > 4. Technical Description > Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.66 04/17/08 SMI > This information is Copyright 2009 Sun Microsystems > 1. Introduction > 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: > Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix (VDPAU) > 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: > Author: John Martin > 1.3 Date of This Document: > 29 January, 2009 > 4. Technical Description > > The Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix (VDPAU) is a development > and runtime environment which provides decode, post-processing, compositing, > and display of compressed and uncompressed video streams. It is not a > standalone video player but instead an environment which can be used > by video players and other video applications. It also does not address > content protection. > > The VDPAU API is initially defined and implemented by NVIDIA. > The implementation of libvdpau.so is a DSO frontend that can load > any vendor's backend driver. libvdpau.so will be open sourced > with a MIT-X11 license and hosted by X.Org. > > As of this writing, the VDPAU API provides the following features: > + GPU-accelerated decode of MPEG-1, MPEG-2, H.264, WMV-3 and VC-1 > bitstreams > + Post-processing of decoded video, including temporal and > spatial deinterlacing, inverse telecine, and noise reduction > + Timestamp-based presentation of final video frames > + Compositing sub-picture, on-screen display, and other UI elements > > It is important to note this is limited to GPU accelerated so > support depends on the hardware. There is not a software fallback > path in VDPAU if the hardware does not support these features. > Also, even though VDPAU provides a large subset of the PureVideo HD > functionality delivered on Windows, there is no guarantee all > PureVideo features are (or will be) delivered on Solaris. > > While the API will be classified as volatile for this document, > the plan is to maintain backward compatibility in future releases. > > Delivery will be in the existing SYSV package NVDAgraphics which > installs files in the following directories: > > /usr/include/vdpau: VDPAU headers > /usr/lib: VDPAU 32-bit libraries > /usr/lib/amd64: VDPAU 64-bit libraries > > The main web page for VDPAU is: > http://http.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/vdpau/doxygen/html/index.html > This includes documentation for the API. Documentation is not part > of the package delivery for Solaris. > > Support for VDPAU is provided by NVIDIA through their developer forum. > > Bugtraq: nvidia/nvidia/other > > Interfaces Exported > Interface Classification Comments > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > /usr/include/vdpau/vdpau.h Volatile Defined by NVIDIA > /usr/include/vdpau/vdpau_x11.h Volatile Defined by NVIDIA > /usr/lib/libvdpau.so.1 Volatile Defined by NVIDIA > /usr/lib/libvdpau.so Volatile Defined by NVIDIA > /usr/lib/amd64/libvdpau.so.1 Volatile Defined by NVIDIA > /usr/lib/amd64/libvdpau.so Volatile Defined by NVIDIA > > The libraries /usr/lib[/amd64]/libvdpau_nvidia.so.1 and > /usr/lib[/amd64]/libvdpau_trace.so.1 are private objects > and should not be linked in for normal application development. > > 6. Resources and Schedule > 6.4. Steering Committee requested information > 6.4.1. Consolidation C-team Name: > X > 6.5. ARC review type: FastTrack > 6.6. ARC Exposure: open > > 6. Resources and Schedule > 6.4. Steering Committee requested information > 6.4.1. Consolidation C-team Name: > JDS - X > 6.5. ARC review type: FastTrack > 6.6. ARC Exposure: open > > From John.Martin@Sun.COM Thu Jan 29 11:20:33 2009 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0TJKW9V027759 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:20:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n0TJJoHk004708 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:20:32 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KE80051NZ1MDF00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:20:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from sca-es-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.43.133]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KE800A6SZ1L6KC0@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:20:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-sfbay-09.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n0TJK9nK017718 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:20:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun.com ([129.145.47.34]) by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0KE8002GKZ1LEJ50@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:20:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from [129.147.158.50] by sfbay5-mail1.sfbay.sun.com (mshttpd); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:20:09 -0800 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:20:09 -0800 From: John Martin Subject: Re: Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix (VDPAU) [PSARC/2009/059 FastTrack timeout 02/05/2009] In-reply-to: <200901291854.n0TIsRx5044661@sr1-umpk-12.sfbay.sun.com> To: John Fischer , John.M.Martin@Sun.COM Cc: PSARC-ext@Sun.COM, John.Fischer@Sun.COM Message-id: <6a20da006fa8.498190e9@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 7.0-3.01 64bit (built Dec 9 2008) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200901291854.n0TIsRx5044661@sr1-umpk-12.sfbay.sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 4595 John.m.martin, This one is yours I believe. John.martin ----- Original Message ----- From: John Fischer Date: Thursday, January 29, 2009 10:54 am Subject: Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix (VDPAU) [PSARC/2009/059 FastTrack timeout 02/05/2009] To: PSARC-ext@sun.com Cc: John.Fischer@Sun.COM, John.Martin@Sun.COM > Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase %I% %G% SMI > This information is Copyright 2009 Sun Microsystems > 1. Introduction > 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: > Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix (VDPAU) > 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: > Author: John Martin > 1.3 Date of This Document: > 29 January, 2009 > 4. Technical Description > Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.66 04/17/08 SMI > This information is Copyright 2009 Sun Microsystems > 1. Introduction > 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: > Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix (VDPAU) > 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: > Author: John Martin > 1.3 Date of This Document: > 29 January, 2009 > 4. Technical Description > > The Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix (VDPAU) is a development > and runtime environment which provides decode, post-processing, compositing, > and display of compressed and uncompressed video streams. It is > not a > standalone video player but instead an environment which can be used > by video players and other video applications. It also does not address > content protection. > > The VDPAU API is initially defined and implemented by NVIDIA. > The implementation of libvdpau.so is a DSO frontend that can load > any vendor's backend driver. libvdpau.so will be open sourced > with a MIT-X11 license and hosted by X.Org. > > As of this writing, the VDPAU API provides the following features: > + GPU-accelerated decode of MPEG-1, MPEG-2, H.264, WMV-3 and VC-1 > bitstreams > + Post-processing of decoded video, including temporal and > spatial deinterlacing, inverse telecine, and noise reduction > + Timestamp-based presentation of final video frames > + Compositing sub-picture, on-screen display, and other UI elements > > It is important to note this is limited to GPU accelerated so > support depends on the hardware. There is not a software fallback > path in VDPAU if the hardware does not support these features. > Also, even though VDPAU provides a large subset of the PureVideo HD > functionality delivered on Windows, there is no guarantee all > PureVideo features are (or will be) delivered on Solaris. > > While the API will be classified as volatile for this document, > the plan is to maintain backward compatibility in future releases. > > > Delivery will be in the existing SYSV package NVDAgraphics which > installs files in the following directories: > > /usr/include/vdpau: VDPAU headers > /usr/lib: VDPAU 32-bit libraries > /usr/lib/amd64: VDPAU 64-bit libraries > > The main web page for VDPAU is: > http://http.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/vdpau/doxygen/html/index.html > This includes documentation for the API. Documentation is not part > of the package delivery for Solaris. > > Support for VDPAU is provided by NVIDIA through their developer forum. > > Bugtraq: nvidia/nvidia/other > > Interfaces Exported > Interface Classification Comments > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > /usr/include/vdpau/vdpau.h Volatile Defined by NVIDIA > /usr/include/vdpau/vdpau_x11.h Volatile Defined by NVIDIA > /usr/lib/libvdpau.so.1 Volatile Defined by NVIDIA > /usr/lib/libvdpau.so Volatile Defined by NVIDIA > /usr/lib/amd64/libvdpau.so.1 Volatile Defined by NVIDIA > /usr/lib/amd64/libvdpau.so Volatile Defined by NVIDIA > > The libraries /usr/lib[/amd64]/libvdpau_nvidia.so.1 and > /usr/lib[/amd64]/libvdpau_trace.so.1 are private objects > and should not be linked in for normal application development. > > 6. Resources and Schedule > 6.4. Steering Committee requested information > 6.4.1. Consolidation C-team Name: > X > 6.5. ARC review type: FastTrack > 6.6. ARC Exposure: open > > 6. Resources and Schedule > 6.4. Steering Committee requested information > 6.4.1. Consolidation C-team Name: > JDS - X > 6.5. ARC review type: FastTrack > 6.6. ARC Exposure: open > From alan.coopersmith@sun.com Thu Jan 29 11:20:40 2009 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0TJKd2p027776 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:20:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n0TJKAGw004964 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:20:38 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KE800113Z2AS200@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:20:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from sca-es-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.43.133]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KE8000G8Z29SH00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:20:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n0TJKXRf017786 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:20:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KE800401YCWP700@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> (original mail from Alan.Coopersmith@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:20:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.6.102.118] by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KE800AJSZ288C60@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com>; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:20:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:20:32 -0800 From: Alan Coopersmith Subject: Re: Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix (VDPAU) [PSARC/2009/059 FastTrack timeout 02/05/2009] In-reply-to: <200901291854.n0TIsRx5044661@sr1-umpk-12.sfbay.sun.com> Sender: alan.coopersmith@sun.com To: John Fischer Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, John.Fischer@sun.com, John.Martin@sun.com Message-id: <49820180.60600@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.1 References: <200901291854.n0TIsRx5044661@sr1-umpk-12.sfbay.sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071119) Status: RO Content-Length: 624 John Fischer wrote: > Delivery will be in the existing SYSV package NVDAgraphics which > installs files in the following directories: > > /usr/include/vdpau: VDPAU headers > /usr/lib: VDPAU 32-bit libraries > /usr/lib/amd64: VDPAU 64-bit libraries So this API is being provided only on x86, not SPARC? Does it make sense to deliver on SPARC if no local frame buffers support it? (i.e. can it run over the network like most extensions, or only locally, like DRI) -- -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersmith@sun.com Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering From gdamore@sun.com Thu Jan 29 11:37:27 2009 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0TJbRKi028620 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:37:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n0TJbOQr063250 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:37:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KE800303ZUEFD00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:37:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from sca-es-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.43.132]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KE8000MDZUESP10@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:37:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n0TJbLvI016480 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:37:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KE800201ZI6FX00@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> (original mail from gdamore@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:37:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.251.11] ([76.93.15.33]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KE800AL8ZU78CE0@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com>; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:37:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:37:19 -0800 From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: Re: Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix (VDPAU) [PSARC/2009/059 FastTrack timeout 02/05/2009] In-reply-to: <49820180.60600@sun.com> Sender: Garrett.Damore@sun.com To: Alan Coopersmith Cc: John Fischer , PSARC-ext@sun.com, John.Fischer@sun.com, John.Martin@sun.com Message-id: <4982056F.2000907@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200901291854.n0TIsRx5044661@sr1-umpk-12.sfbay.sun.com> <49820180.60600@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081201) Status: RO Content-Length: 662 Alan Coopersmith wrote: > John Fischer wrote: > >> Delivery will be in the existing SYSV package NVDAgraphics which >> installs files in the following directories: >> >> /usr/include/vdpau: VDPAU headers >> /usr/lib: VDPAU 32-bit libraries >> /usr/lib/amd64: VDPAU 64-bit libraries >> > > So this API is being provided only on x86, not SPARC? Does it make sense > to deliver on SPARC if no local frame buffers support it? (i.e. can it > run over the network like most extensions, or only locally, like DRI) > > I didn't see that this was an X11 extension, per se. Am I missing something? -- Garrett From John.Fischer@sun.com Thu Jan 29 11:38:42 2009 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0TJcgFA028691 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:38:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n0TJcec0064085 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:38:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KE80030FZWHKF00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.COM); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:38:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.98.31]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KE800ICFZWG02A0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.COM); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:38:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n0TJceBs001498 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:38:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KE800D01ZMR4C00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from John.Fischer@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@Sun.COM (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.COM); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:38:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from 129.145.154.112 ([129.145.154.112]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KE800LUGZW5T2G0@mail-amer.sun.com>; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:38:30 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:38:29 -0800 From: John Fischer Subject: Re: Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix (VDPAU) [PSARC/2009/059 FastTrack timeout 02/05/2009] In-reply-to: <49820180.60600@sun.com> Sender: John.Fischer@sun.com To: Alan Coopersmith , John.M.Martin@sun.com Cc: John Fischer , John Fischer , PSARC-ext@sun.com Reply-to: John.Fischer@sun.com Message-id: <1233257908.2067.2899.camel@sr1-umpk-12> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6.301 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200901291854.n0TIsRx5044661@sr1-umpk-12.sfbay.sun.com> <49820180.60600@sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 794 Forwarding Alan's question to the correct John (M.) Martin. Sorry everyone, John On Thu, 2009-01-29 at 11:20, Alan Coopersmith wrote: > John Fischer wrote: > > Delivery will be in the existing SYSV package NVDAgraphics which > > installs files in the following directories: > > > > /usr/include/vdpau: VDPAU headers > > /usr/lib: VDPAU 32-bit libraries > > /usr/lib/amd64: VDPAU 64-bit libraries > > So this API is being provided only on x86, not SPARC? Does it make sense > to deliver on SPARC if no local frame buffers support it? (i.e. can it > run over the network like most extensions, or only locally, like DRI) > > -- > -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersmith@sun.com > Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering > From John.Fischer@Sun.COM Thu Jan 29 11:39:32 2009 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0TJdWsP028751 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:39:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n0TJdVjQ064558 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:39:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KE80030JZXUL500@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:39:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com ([192.18.98.36]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KE800HPEZXRZZC0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:39:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n0TJdQ7o014311 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:39:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KE800E01XSEMH00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from John.Fischer@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:39:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from 129.145.154.112 ([129.145.154.112]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KE8001FJZXIIKE0@mail-amer.sun.com>; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:39:19 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:39:18 -0800 From: John Fischer Subject: Re: Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix (VDPAU) [PSARC/2009/059 FastTrack timeout 02/05/2009] In-reply-to: <4982056F.2000907@sun.com> Sender: John.Fischer@Sun.COM To: "Garrett D'Amore" Cc: John Fischer , Alan Coopersmith , John Fischer , PSARC-ext@Sun.COM, John.M.Martin@Sun.COM Reply-to: John.Fischer@Sun.COM Message-id: <1233257956.2067.2901.camel@sr1-umpk-12> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6.301 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200901291854.n0TIsRx5044661@sr1-umpk-12.sfbay.sun.com> <49820180.60600@sun.com> <4982056F.2000907@sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 796 forwarding to John (M.) Martin. John On Thu, 2009-01-29 at 11:37, Garrett D'Amore wrote: > Alan Coopersmith wrote: > > John Fischer wrote: > > > >> Delivery will be in the existing SYSV package NVDAgraphics which > >> installs files in the following directories: > >> > >> /usr/include/vdpau: VDPAU headers > >> /usr/lib: VDPAU 32-bit libraries > >> /usr/lib/amd64: VDPAU 64-bit libraries > >> > > > > So this API is being provided only on x86, not SPARC? Does it make sense > > to deliver on SPARC if no local frame buffers support it? (i.e. can it > > run over the network like most extensions, or only locally, like DRI) > > > > > I didn't see that this was an X11 extension, per se. Am I missing > something? > > -- Garrett > From John.Fischer@sun.com Thu Jan 29 11:40:02 2009 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0TJe1sI028812 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:40:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n0TJdmAh017492 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:40:00 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KE80070XZYNSH00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:39:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com ([192.18.98.36]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KE800AP9ZYN72E0@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:39:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n0TJdxdx014605 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:39:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KE800D01ZMR4C00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from John.Fischer@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:39:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from 129.145.154.112 ([129.145.154.112]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KE800KCVZYCAN40@mail-amer.sun.com>; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:39:49 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:39:48 -0800 From: John Fischer Subject: Re: Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix (VDPAU) [PSARC/2009/059 FastTrack timeout 02/05/2009] In-reply-to: <4981FF9B.1070009@sun.com> Sender: John.Fischer@sun.com To: "Garrett D'Amore" Cc: John Fischer , John Fischer , PSARC-ext@sun.com, John.M.Martin@sun.com Reply-to: John.Fischer@sun.com Message-id: <1233257986.2067.2903.camel@sr1-umpk-12> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6.301 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200901291854.n0TIsRx5044661@sr1-umpk-12.sfbay.sun.com> <4981FF9B.1070009@sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 4722 Forwarding to John (M.) Martin. John On Thu, 2009-01-29 at 11:12, Garrett D'Amore wrote: > How will applications determine whether VDPAU will work on their display > or not? > > Are there any plans for integrating this with any actual applications, > or with gstreamer or other desktop video apps? > > -- Garrett > > John Fischer wrote: > > Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase %I% %G% SMI > > This information is Copyright 2009 Sun Microsystems > > 1. Introduction > > 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: > > Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix (VDPAU) > > 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: > > Author: John Martin > > 1.3 Date of This Document: > > 29 January, 2009 > > 4. Technical Description > > Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.66 04/17/08 SMI > > This information is Copyright 2009 Sun Microsystems > > 1. Introduction > > 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: > > Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix (VDPAU) > > 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: > > Author: John Martin > > 1.3 Date of This Document: > > 29 January, 2009 > > 4. Technical Description > > > > The Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix (VDPAU) is a development > > and runtime environment which provides decode, post-processing, compositing, > > and display of compressed and uncompressed video streams. It is not a > > standalone video player but instead an environment which can be used > > by video players and other video applications. It also does not address > > content protection. > > > > The VDPAU API is initially defined and implemented by NVIDIA. > > The implementation of libvdpau.so is a DSO frontend that can load > > any vendor's backend driver. libvdpau.so will be open sourced > > with a MIT-X11 license and hosted by X.Org. > > > > As of this writing, the VDPAU API provides the following features: > > + GPU-accelerated decode of MPEG-1, MPEG-2, H.264, WMV-3 and VC-1 > > bitstreams > > + Post-processing of decoded video, including temporal and > > spatial deinterlacing, inverse telecine, and noise reduction > > + Timestamp-based presentation of final video frames > > + Compositing sub-picture, on-screen display, and other UI elements > > > > It is important to note this is limited to GPU accelerated so > > support depends on the hardware. There is not a software fallback > > path in VDPAU if the hardware does not support these features. > > Also, even though VDPAU provides a large subset of the PureVideo HD > > functionality delivered on Windows, there is no guarantee all > > PureVideo features are (or will be) delivered on Solaris. > > > > While the API will be classified as volatile for this document, > > the plan is to maintain backward compatibility in future releases. > > > > Delivery will be in the existing SYSV package NVDAgraphics which > > installs files in the following directories: > > > > /usr/include/vdpau: VDPAU headers > > /usr/lib: VDPAU 32-bit libraries > > /usr/lib/amd64: VDPAU 64-bit libraries > > > > The main web page for VDPAU is: > > http://http.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/vdpau/doxygen/html/index.html > > This includes documentation for the API. Documentation is not part > > of the package delivery for Solaris. > > > > Support for VDPAU is provided by NVIDIA through their developer forum. > > > > Bugtraq: nvidia/nvidia/other > > > > Interfaces Exported > > Interface Classification Comments > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > /usr/include/vdpau/vdpau.h Volatile Defined by NVIDIA > > /usr/include/vdpau/vdpau_x11.h Volatile Defined by NVIDIA > > /usr/lib/libvdpau.so.1 Volatile Defined by NVIDIA > > /usr/lib/libvdpau.so Volatile Defined by NVIDIA > > /usr/lib/amd64/libvdpau.so.1 Volatile Defined by NVIDIA > > /usr/lib/amd64/libvdpau.so Volatile Defined by NVIDIA > > > > The libraries /usr/lib[/amd64]/libvdpau_nvidia.so.1 and > > /usr/lib[/amd64]/libvdpau_trace.so.1 are private objects > > and should not be linked in for normal application development. > > > > 6. Resources and Schedule > > 6.4. Steering Committee requested information > > 6.4.1. Consolidation C-team Name: > > X > > 6.5. ARC review type: FastTrack > > 6.6. ARC Exposure: open > > > > 6. Resources and Schedule > > 6.4. Steering Committee requested information > > 6.4.1. Consolidation C-team Name: > > JDS - X > > 6.5. ARC review type: FastTrack > > 6.6. ARC Exposure: open > > > > > From James.McPherson@sun.com Thu Jan 29 11:41:06 2009 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0TJf6wl028851 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:41:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n0TJf2ED012457 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:41:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KE90031100GON00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:41:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.98.43]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KE900HPN00FZUB0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:41:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n0TJf3ZM029504 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:41:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KE800401YJ78A00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from James.McPherson@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:41:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from blinder ([220.157.71.44]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KE9001Q800BIKE0@mail-amer.sun.com>; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:41:01 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 05:40:49 +1000 From: "James C. McPherson" Subject: Re: Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix (VDPAU) [PSARC/2009/059 FastTrack timeout 02/05/2009] In-reply-to: <200901291854.n0TIsRx5044661@sr1-umpk-12.sfbay.sun.com> Sender: James.McPherson@sun.com To: John Fischer Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, John.Fischer@sun.com, John.Martin@sun.com Message-id: <20090130054049.00002d5a@blinder> Organization: Sun Microsystems MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.14.5; i386-pc-solaris2.11) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200901291854.n0TIsRx5044661@sr1-umpk-12.sfbay.sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 1536 On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:54:27 -0800 (PST) John Fischer wrote: > > Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase %I% %G% SMI > This information is Copyright 2009 Sun Microsystems > 1. Introduction > 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: > Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix (VDPAU) > 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: > Author: John Martin > 1.3 Date of This Document: > 29 January, 2009 > 4. Technical Description > Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.66 04/17/08 SMI > This information is Copyright 2009 Sun Microsystems > 1. Introduction > 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: > Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix (VDPAU) > 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: > Author: John Martin > 1.3 Date of This Document: > 29 January, 2009 > 4. Technical Description > > The Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix (VDPAU) is a > development and runtime environment which provides decode, > post-processing, compositing, and display of compressed and > uncompressed video streams. It is not a standalone video player but > instead an environment which can be used by video players and other > video applications. It also does not address content protection. How does this relate to the Video4Linux v2 (V4L2) API? What presentation applications have been created to demonstrate how VDPAU works? thankyou, James C. McPherson -- Senior Kernel Software Engineer, Solaris Sun Microsystems http://blogs.sun.com/jmcp http://www.jmcp.homeunix.com/blog From John.Fischer@sun.com Thu Jan 29 11:43:34 2009 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0TJhWIr028979 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:43:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n0TJhTJh009033 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 03:43:32 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KE90040504I0Q00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:43:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.98.31]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KE9000WG04HSK10@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:43:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n0TJhTEp004041 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:43:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KE800401YJ78A00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from John.Fischer@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:43:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from 129.145.154.112 ([129.145.154.112]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KE9004S7040VY80@mail-amer.sun.com>; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:43:12 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:43:12 -0800 From: John Fischer Subject: Re: Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix (VDPAU) [PSARC/2009/059 FastTrack timeout 02/05/2009] In-reply-to: <20090130054049.00002d5a@blinder> Sender: John.Fischer@sun.com To: "James C. McPherson" Cc: John Fischer , John Fischer , PSARC-ext@sun.com, John.M.Martin@sun.com Reply-to: John.Fischer@sun.com Message-id: <1233258190.2067.2905.camel@sr1-umpk-12> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6.301 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200901291854.n0TIsRx5044661@sr1-umpk-12.sfbay.sun.com> <20090130054049.00002d5a@blinder> Status: RO Content-Length: 1719 Forwarding to John (M.) Martin. John On Thu, 2009-01-29 at 11:40, James C. McPherson wrote: > On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:54:27 -0800 (PST) > John Fischer wrote: > > > > > Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase %I% %G% SMI > > This information is Copyright 2009 Sun Microsystems > > 1. Introduction > > 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: > > Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix (VDPAU) > > 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: > > Author: John Martin > > 1.3 Date of This Document: > > 29 January, 2009 > > 4. Technical Description > > Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.66 04/17/08 SMI > > This information is Copyright 2009 Sun Microsystems > > 1. Introduction > > 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: > > Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix (VDPAU) > > 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: > > Author: John Martin > > 1.3 Date of This Document: > > 29 January, 2009 > > 4. Technical Description > > > > The Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix (VDPAU) is a > > development and runtime environment which provides decode, > > post-processing, compositing, and display of compressed and > > uncompressed video streams. It is not a standalone video player but > > instead an environment which can be used by video players and other > > video applications. It also does not address content protection. > > > How does this relate to the Video4Linux v2 (V4L2) API? > > What presentation applications have been created to > demonstrate how VDPAU works? > > thankyou, > James C. McPherson > -- > Senior Kernel Software Engineer, Solaris > Sun Microsystems > http://blogs.sun.com/jmcp http://www.jmcp.homeunix.com/blog From John.M.Martin@Sun.COM Thu Jan 29 12:36:26 2009 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0TKaQvB018652 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:36:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n0TKaPCj007097 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:36:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KE90080T2KPYQ00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:36:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.98.43]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KE9000L92KOSN50@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:36:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n0TKaOZo025527 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:36:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KE900F011DCO500@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from John.M.Martin@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:36:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.13] ([71.238.22.162]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KE9005862KFKR40@mail-amer.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:36:15 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 15:36:15 -0500 From: John Martin Subject: Re: Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix (VDPAU) [PSARC/2009/059 FastTrack timeout 02/05/2009] In-reply-to: <1233257908.2067.2899.camel@sr1-umpk-12> Sender: John.M.Martin@Sun.COM To: Alan Coopersmith Cc: John.Fischer@Sun.COM, PSARC-ext@Sun.COM Message-id: <4982133F.2090708@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200901291854.n0TIsRx5044661@sr1-umpk-12.sfbay.sun.com> <49820180.60600@sun.com> <1233257908.2067.2899.camel@sr1-umpk-12> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081215) Status: RO Content-Length: 1113 John Fischer wrote: > On Thu, 2009-01-29 at 11:20, Alan Coopersmith wrote: > >> John Fischer wrote: >> >>> Delivery will be in the existing SYSV package NVDAgraphics which >>> installs files in the following directories: >>> >>> /usr/include/vdpau: VDPAU headers >>> /usr/lib: VDPAU 32-bit libraries >>> /usr/lib/amd64: VDPAU 64-bit libraries >>> >> So this API is being provided only on x86, not SPARC? Does it make sense >> to deliver on SPARC if no local frame buffers support it? (i.e. can it >> run over the network like most extensions, or only locally, like DRI) >> The initial delivery of this API is x86 only, via the SYSV NVDAgraphics package. When libvdapu.so is hosted by X.Org as open source, we can decide whether to deliver it for SPARC. Other vendors may decide to offer their own back end DSOs that could potentially work on SPARC. The current implementation is not network aware. Given the additional bandwidth requirements of HD video and synchronization with audio it may not be feasible to ever offer non-local support. From carlsonj@phorcys.east.sun.com Thu Jan 29 13:04:10 2009 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0TL49WH020189 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:04:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n0TL3wab020459; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 05:04:05 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KE9008013UQJP00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:04:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com ([129.148.174.143]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KE9006TU3UQ9H20@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:04:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n0TL40u3018888; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 16:04:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from carlsonj@localhost) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3/Submit) id n0TL40NH018885; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 16:04:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 16:04:00 -0500 From: James Carlson Subject: Re: Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix (VDPAU) [PSARC/2009/059 FastTrack timeout 02/05/2009] In-reply-to: <200901291854.n0TIsRx5044661@sr1-umpk-12.sfbay.sun.com> To: John Fischer Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, John.Fischer@sun.com, "john m. martin" Message-id: <18818.6592.143270.550353@gargle.gargle.HOWL> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VM 7.01 under Emacs 21.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200901291854.n0TIsRx5044661@sr1-umpk-12.sfbay.sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 725 John Fischer writes: > While the API will be classified as volatile for this document, > the plan is to maintain backward compatibility in future releases. A nit, perhaps, but those two clauses are saying different things. The classification system *is* a statement of intent. If there's an intent to maintain backward compatibility in future releases, then "Volatile" doesn't express that intent. I hope this isn't being classed as "Volatile" merely because it's written by a third party. -- James Carlson, Solaris Networking Sun Microsystems / 35 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677 From John.M.Martin@sun.com Thu Jan 29 13:12:25 2009 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0TLCPKC020440 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:12:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n0TLCP8b010334 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:12:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KE900J0148NAG00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:12:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.98.43]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KE900AZY48NF540@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:12:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n0TLCN9v012133 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 21:12:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KE9003013FYUS00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from John.M.Martin@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:12:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.13] ([71.238.22.162]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KE9004WS489JDG0@mail-amer.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:12:09 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 16:12:09 -0500 From: John Martin Subject: Re: Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix (VDPAU) [PSARC/2009/059 FastTrack timeout 02/05/2009] In-reply-to: <1233257986.2067.2903.camel@sr1-umpk-12> Sender: John.M.Martin@sun.com To: "Garrett D'Amore" Cc: John.Fischer@sun.com, PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <49821BA9.9090206@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200901291854.n0TIsRx5044661@sr1-umpk-12.sfbay.sun.com> <4981FF9B.1070009@sun.com> <1233257986.2067.2903.camel@sr1-umpk-12> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081215) Status: RO Content-Length: 774 > > On Thu, 2009-01-29 at 11:12, Garrett D'Amore wrote: >> How will applications determine whether VDPAU will work on their display >> or not? The initial determination is a query of the hardware for the requested video stream and surface formats. There are cases where the video hardware supports some formats but not the entire set. For example, most of the new Quadro FX cards support MPEG-1/2 and H.264, but not WMV-3 and VC-1. There are query functions of the capabilities of the each of the surface types, video mixer, and decoder. >> >> Are there any plans for integrating this with any actual applications, >> or with gstreamer or other desktop video apps? NVIDIA already provides patches to the ffmpeg library and the mplayer application to enable VDPAU. From Darren.Moffat@sun.com Thu Jan 29 13:18:09 2009 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0TLI9HG020473 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:18:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n0TLI0oZ026155 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:18:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KE900J234I9ZD00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:18:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from gmp-eb-inf-2.sun.com ([192.18.6.24]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KE900AP64I7FC60@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:18:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-emea-09.sun.com (gmp-eb-lb-2-fe3.eu.sun.com [192.18.6.12]) by gmp-eb-inf-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n0TLI7qk001394 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 21:18:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-emea-09.sun.com by fe-emea-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KE9006014I3LV00@fe-emea-09.sun.com> (original mail from Darren.Moffat@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 21:18:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [129.156.173.199] by fe-emea-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KE900G4D4I4VL20@fe-emea-09.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 21:18:04 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 21:18:04 +0000 From: Darren J Moffat Subject: Re: Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix (VDPAU) [PSARC/2009/059 FastTrack timeout 02/05/2009] In-reply-to: <49821BA9.9090206@sun.com> Sender: Darren.Moffat@sun.com To: John Martin Cc: "Garrett D'Amore" , John.Fischer@sun.com, PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <49821D0C.4050900@Sun.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200901291854.n0TIsRx5044661@sr1-umpk-12.sfbay.sun.com> <4981FF9B.1070009@sun.com> <1233257986.2067.2903.camel@sr1-umpk-12> <49821BA9.9090206@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081119) Status: RO Content-Length: 332 John Martin wrote: >>> Are there any plans for integrating this with any actual >>> applications, or with gstreamer or other desktop video apps? > NVIDIA already provides patches to the ffmpeg library and the mplayer > application > to enable VDPAU. A pity OpenSolaris doesn't have ffmpeg or mplayer though. -- Darren J Moffat From John.M.Martin@sun.com Thu Jan 29 13:19:40 2009 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0TLJerw020491 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:19:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n0TLJNMk018863 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 21:19:38 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KE90091L4KLG200@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:19:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com ([192.18.98.36]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KE9006K64KL9M30@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:19:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n0TLJW7Y001470 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 21:19:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KE9002012TO7900@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from John.M.Martin@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:19:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.13] ([71.238.22.162]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KE900CXD4JEOT70@mail-amer.sun.com>; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:18:54 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 16:18:50 -0500 From: John Martin Subject: Re: Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix (VDPAU) [PSARC/2009/059 FastTrack timeout 02/05/2009] In-reply-to: <20090130054049.00002d5a@blinder> Sender: John.M.Martin@sun.com To: "James C. McPherson" Cc: John Fischer , PSARC-ext@sun.com, John.Fischer@sun.com, John.Martin@sun.com Message-id: <49821D3A.2000708@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200901291854.n0TIsRx5044661@sr1-umpk-12.sfbay.sun.com> <20090130054049.00002d5a@blinder> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081215) Status: RO Content-Length: 446 James C. McPherson wrote: > > How does this relate to the Video4Linux v2 (V4L2) API? V4L is an API for video capture. Think of it as input support for video cameras and TV tuners. VDPAU is an API for video decode, post-processing and output. > > What presentation applications have been created to > demonstrate how VDPAU works? mplayer is a good application to test VDPAU. The ffmpeg library patches allow it to be used with other programs. From John.M.Martin@Sun.COM Thu Jan 29 13:26:27 2009 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0TLQQKV020605 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:26:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n0TLQF83003344 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 05:26:25 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KE90090P4VYVW00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.COM); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:26:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com ([192.18.98.36]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KE9006SX4VX9M30@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.COM); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:26:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n0TLQLIJ004510 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 21:26:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KE900C014M00700@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from John.M.Martin@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@Sun.COM (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.COM); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:26:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.13] ([71.238.22.162]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KE900CWN4VKBCC0@mail-amer.sun.com>; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:26:08 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 16:26:08 -0500 From: John Martin Subject: Re: Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix (VDPAU) [PSARC/2009/059 FastTrack timeout 02/05/2009] In-reply-to: <18818.6592.143270.550353@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Sender: John.M.Martin@Sun.COM To: James Carlson Cc: John Fischer , PSARC-ext@Sun.COM, John.Fischer@Sun.COM Message-id: <49821EF0.1050209@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200901291854.n0TIsRx5044661@sr1-umpk-12.sfbay.sun.com> <18818.6592.143270.550353@gargle.gargle.HOWL> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081215) Status: RO Content-Length: 697 James Carlson wrote: > John Fischer writes: >> While the API will be classified as volatile for this document, >> the plan is to maintain backward compatibility in future releases. > > A nit, perhaps, but those two clauses are saying different things. > > The classification system *is* a statement of intent. If there's an > intent to maintain backward compatibility in future releases, then > "Volatile" doesn't express that intent. > > I hope this isn't being classed as "Volatile" merely because it's > written by a third party. NVIDIA plans to main full backward compatibility, so it is a statement of their intent. However, this will become an open source project hosted by X.Org. From John.M.Martin@sun.com Thu Jan 29 13:36:13 2009 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0TLaChC021077 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:36:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n0TLaAv0008298 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 05:36:11 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KE900E055C9JC00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:36:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com ([192.18.98.36]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KE9000MB5C9SS80@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:36:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n0TLa9wd008882 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 21:36:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KE9005014IFHS00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from John.M.Martin@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:36:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.13] ([71.238.22.162]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KE900CTF5BG8I10@mail-amer.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:35:41 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 16:35:41 -0500 From: John Martin Subject: Re: Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix (VDPAU) [PSARC/2009/059 FastTrack timeout 02/05/2009] In-reply-to: <49821D0C.4050900@Sun.COM> Sender: John.M.Martin@sun.com To: Darren J Moffat Cc: John.Fischer@sun.com, PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <4982212D.4000706@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200901291854.n0TIsRx5044661@sr1-umpk-12.sfbay.sun.com> <4981FF9B.1070009@sun.com> <1233257986.2067.2903.camel@sr1-umpk-12> <49821BA9.9090206@sun.com> <49821D0C.4050900@Sun.COM> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081215) Status: RO Content-Length: 603 Darren J Moffat wrote: > John Martin wrote: >>>> Are there any plans for integrating this with any actual >>>> applications, or with gstreamer or other desktop video apps? >> NVIDIA already provides patches to the ffmpeg library and the mplayer >> application >> to enable VDPAU. > > A pity OpenSolaris doesn't have ffmpeg or mplayer though. > There are non-technical issues which make delivery of certain video codecs by a commercial entity difficult. This is probably best left to companies like Fluendo who are skilled in handling the non-technical issues delivering these types of applications. From Mark.Phalan@sun.com Thu Jan 29 13:52:15 2009 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0TLqDv4021655 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:52:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n0TLq4H7016782 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 05:52:13 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KE9001076304Z00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:52:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from gmp-eb-inf-2.sun.com ([192.18.6.24]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KE900AZ962YF470@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:52:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-emea-09.sun.com (gmp-eb-lb-1-fe3.eu.sun.com [192.18.6.10]) by gmp-eb-inf-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n0TLqA67002592 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 21:52:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-emea-09.sun.com by fe-emea-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KE9007015YPLN00@fe-emea-09.sun.com> (original mail from Mark.Phalan@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 21:52:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.1.35] ([193.85.70.14]) by fe-emea-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KE900HCL62XVI60@fe-emea-09.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 21:52:10 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 22:52:09 +0100 From: Mark Phalan Subject: Re: Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix (VDPAU) [PSARC/2009/059 FastTrack timeout 02/05/2009] In-reply-to: <4982212D.4000706@sun.com> Sender: Mark.Phalan@sun.com To: John Martin Cc: Darren J Moffat , John.Fischer@sun.com, PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <05F5F821-437A-4FF0-8000-A1D661EBCF84@Sun.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Content-type: text/plain; delsp=yes; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200901291854.n0TIsRx5044661@sr1-umpk-12.sfbay.sun.com> <4981FF9B.1070009@sun.com> <1233257986.2067.2903.camel@sr1-umpk-12> <49821BA9.9090206@sun.com> <49821D0C.4050900@Sun.COM> <4982212D.4000706@sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 818 On 29 Jan 2009, at 22:35, John Martin wrote: > Darren J Moffat wrote: >> John Martin wrote: >>>>> Are there any plans for integrating this with any actual >>>>> applications, or with gstreamer or other desktop video apps? >>> NVIDIA already provides patches to the ffmpeg library and the >>> mplayer application >>> to enable VDPAU. >> >> A pity OpenSolaris doesn't have ffmpeg or mplayer though. >> > There are non-technical issues which make delivery of > certain video codecs by a commercial entity difficult. It would have seemed to me that a library such as this nicely circumvents the problem area of delivering certain video codecs in software. If this could be used by gstreamer it would mean that (at least on NVidia hardware) modern multimedia codec support could be available out-of-box. -M From carlsonj@phorcys.east.sun.com Fri Jan 30 05:49:30 2009 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0UDnUF6020665 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 05:49:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n0UDnSxk011112; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 05:49:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KEA00L03EEGJ600@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 06:49:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com ([129.148.174.143]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KEA00KDDEEEZZ00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 06:49:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n0UDnNMR020365; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:49:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from carlsonj@localhost) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3/Submit) id n0UDnNLD020362; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:49:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:49:23 -0500 From: James Carlson Subject: Re: Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix (VDPAU) [PSARC/2009/059 FastTrack timeout 02/05/2009] In-reply-to: <49821EF0.1050209@sun.com> To: John Martin Cc: John Fischer , PSARC-ext@sun.com, John.Fischer@sun.com Message-id: <18819.1379.779581.67704@gargle.gargle.HOWL> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VM 7.01 under Emacs 21.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200901291854.n0TIsRx5044661@sr1-umpk-12.sfbay.sun.com> <18818.6592.143270.550353@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49821EF0.1050209@sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 1422 John Martin writes: > James Carlson wrote: > > John Fischer writes: > >> While the API will be classified as volatile for this document, > >> the plan is to maintain backward compatibility in future releases. > > > > A nit, perhaps, but those two clauses are saying different things. > > > > The classification system *is* a statement of intent. If there's an > > intent to maintain backward compatibility in future releases, then > > "Volatile" doesn't express that intent. > > > > I hope this isn't being classed as "Volatile" merely because it's > > written by a third party. > NVIDIA plans to main full backward compatibility, so it is a statement > of their intent. However, this will become an open source project hosted > by X.Org. I don't follow that "however." Open source doesn't mean "volatile," nor does hosting by X.Org. The interfaces should be given the _right_ stability level. If NVIDIA intends to maintain full backward compatibility (and thus will treat deviations as bugs), and if others are building software atop these interfaces, then "Volatile" just isn't right. That actually sounds like "Committed" ... or perhaps "Uncommitted" if we need to remain fearful. -- James Carlson, Solaris Networking Sun Microsystems / 35 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677 From John.M.Martin@sun.com Fri Jan 30 06:05:11 2009 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0UE59qw021112 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 06:05:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n0UE50U2015229 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:05:08 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KEA00H2BF4JLI00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Fri, 30 Jan 2009 06:05:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.98.31]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KEA00938F4GZ7E0@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Fri, 30 Jan 2009 06:05:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n0UE54Lv019079 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:05:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KEA00L01EY2B100@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from John.M.Martin@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Fri, 30 Jan 2009 07:05:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.13] ([71.238.22.162]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KEA00CO8F4GAYC0@mail-amer.sun.com>; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 07:05:04 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:05:02 -0500 From: John Martin Subject: Re: Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix (VDPAU) [PSARC/2009/059 FastTrack timeout 02/05/2009] In-reply-to: <18819.1379.779581.67704@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Sender: John.M.Martin@sun.com To: James Carlson Cc: John Fischer , PSARC-ext@sun.com, John.Fischer@sun.com Message-id: <4983090E.4000603@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200901291854.n0TIsRx5044661@sr1-umpk-12.sfbay.sun.com> <18818.6592.143270.550353@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49821EF0.1050209@sun.com> <18819.1379.779581.67704@gargle.gargle.HOWL> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20090112) Status: RO Content-Length: 1128 James Carlson wrote: > > I don't follow that "however." Open source doesn't mean "volatile," > nor does hosting by X.Org. > > The interfaces should be given the _right_ stability level. If NVIDIA > intends to maintain full backward compatibility (and thus will treat > deviations as bugs), and if others are building software atop these > interfaces, then "Volatile" just isn't right. That actually sounds > like "Committed" ... or perhaps "Uncommitted" if we need to remain > fearful. > > It depends upon timeframe. NVIDIA told me last week "full compatibility should be maintained in the future". If the ARC document should reflect only the intent of the owner at the time the document is written, then I agree it should be "Committed". However, further discussions with NVIDIA revealed the intention to move this to an open source project hosted by X.Org. My experience here does not match your optimism for interface stability. If the ARC document should reflect a conservative or worst case belief of the interface stability over the life of the project, I cannot in good faith say it should be "Committed". From carlsonj@phorcys.east.sun.com Fri Jan 30 06:18:54 2009 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0UEIsOp021307 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 06:18:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n0UEIrBb016104; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 06:18:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KEA00819FRHBO00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 06:18:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com ([129.148.174.143]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KEA00K10FRGABB0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 06:18:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n0UEInMb020487; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:18:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from carlsonj@localhost) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3/Submit) id n0UEInRG020484; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:18:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:18:49 -0500 From: James Carlson Subject: Re: Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix (VDPAU) [PSARC/2009/059 FastTrack timeout 02/05/2009] In-reply-to: <4983090E.4000603@sun.com> To: John Martin Cc: John.Fischer@sun.com, PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <18819.3145.762082.268787@gargle.gargle.HOWL> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VM 7.01 under Emacs 21.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200901291854.n0TIsRx5044661@sr1-umpk-12.sfbay.sun.com> <18818.6592.143270.550353@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49821EF0.1050209@sun.com> <18819.1379.779581.67704@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <4983090E.4000603@sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 1798 John Martin writes: > James Carlson wrote: > > > > I don't follow that "however." Open source doesn't mean "volatile," > > nor does hosting by X.Org. > > > > The interfaces should be given the _right_ stability level. If NVIDIA > > intends to maintain full backward compatibility (and thus will treat > > deviations as bugs), and if others are building software atop these > > interfaces, then "Volatile" just isn't right. That actually sounds > > like "Committed" ... or perhaps "Uncommitted" if we need to remain > > fearful. > > > > > It depends upon timeframe. > > NVIDIA told me last week "full compatibility should be maintained in the > future". If the ARC document should reflect only the intent of the owner > at the time the document is written, then I agree it should be "Committed". That's exactly what I'm saying. > However, further discussions with NVIDIA revealed the intention to move > this to an open source project hosted by X.Org. My experience here does not > match your optimism for interface stability. If the ARC document should > reflect a conservative or worst case belief of the interface stability > over the life > of the project, I cannot in good faith say it should be "Committed". Why does moving it to an open source project automatically mean that it becomes unstable? The two things should be unrelated. If you feel you must do so, then call it "Volatile" or worse. We'll just be back here again, when we deliberately torture every project team that makes the mistake of using the interface with a cloud over its head. -- James Carlson, Solaris Networking Sun Microsystems / 35 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677 From John.M.Martin@sun.com Fri Jan 30 06:22:24 2009 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0UEMObS021352 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 06:22:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n0UEMM2N018195 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 06:22:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KEA0014DFXBL500@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Fri, 30 Jan 2009 07:22:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.98.31]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KEA00KXWFX9ZZ20@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Fri, 30 Jan 2009 07:22:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n0UEMLTr026488 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:22:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KEA00101FOSGF00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from John.M.Martin@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Fri, 30 Jan 2009 07:22:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.13] ([71.238.22.162]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KEA00ESWFX8K240@mail-amer.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Fri, 30 Jan 2009 07:22:21 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:22:19 -0500 From: John Martin Subject: Re: Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix (VDPAU) [PSARC/2009/059 FastTrack timeout 02/05/2009] In-reply-to: <18819.3145.762082.268787@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Sender: John.M.Martin@sun.com To: James Carlson Cc: John.Fischer@sun.com, PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <49830D1B.2020007@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200901291854.n0TIsRx5044661@sr1-umpk-12.sfbay.sun.com> <18818.6592.143270.550353@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49821EF0.1050209@sun.com> <18819.1379.779581.67704@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <4983090E.4000603@sun.com> <18819.3145.762082.268787@gargle.gargle.HOWL> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20090112) Status: RO Content-Length: 528 James Carlson wrote: > >> >> NVIDIA told me last week "full compatibility should be maintained in the >> future". If the ARC document should reflect only the intent of the owner >> at the time the document is written, then I agree it should be "Committed". >> > > That's exactly what I'm saying. > I'm not familiar with the rules for defining interface stability. I must rely here on the ARC members. If what I have described means the interface should be marked as "Committed", I have no problems with doing so. From John.M.Martin@sun.com Fri Jan 30 07:36:22 2009 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0UFaMwa022764 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 07:36:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n0UFZwVf026939 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 07:36:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KEA00955JCK5000@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:36:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com ([192.18.98.36]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KEA00KD5JCDZR90@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:36:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n0UFaD3l015341 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:36:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KEA00K01GAW5I00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from John.M.Martin@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:36:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from [192.168.1.13] ([71.238.22.162]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KEA00D4WJC9A9B0@mail-amer.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:36:10 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:36:08 -0500 From: John Martin Subject: Re: Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix (VDPAU) [PSARC/2009/059 FastTrack timeout 02/05/2009] In-reply-to: <18819.3145.762082.268787@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Sender: John.M.Martin@sun.com To: PSARC-ext@sun.com Cc: James Carlson , John.Fischer@sun.com Message-id: <49831E68.5090406@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200901291854.n0TIsRx5044661@sr1-umpk-12.sfbay.sun.com> <18818.6592.143270.550353@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49821EF0.1050209@sun.com> <18819.1379.779581.67704@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <4983090E.4000603@sun.com> <18819.3145.762082.268787@gargle.gargle.HOWL> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20090112) Status: RO Content-Length: 352 After some private tutoring by James Carlson, I agree the interface stability should be marked as Committed and if there are changes to interfaces there will be new ARC submissions and approvals before these changes are delivered to Solaris. What is the process for changing the three interface levels from Volatile to Committed in the ARC document? From carlsonj@phorcys.east.sun.com Fri Jan 30 07:44:48 2009 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0UFimtQ022919 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 07:44:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n0UFiloJ022646; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 07:44:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KEA00A0BJQM5A00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:44:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com ([129.148.174.143]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KEA00KCMJQJZRA0@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:44:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n0UFifIb020879; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:44:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from carlsonj@localhost) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3/Submit) id n0UFifhK020876; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:44:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:44:41 -0500 From: James Carlson Subject: Re: Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix (VDPAU) [PSARC/2009/059 FastTrack timeout 02/05/2009] In-reply-to: <49831E68.5090406@sun.com> To: John Martin Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, John.Fischer@sun.com Message-id: <18819.8297.594747.653845@gargle.gargle.HOWL> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VM 7.01 under Emacs 21.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200901291854.n0TIsRx5044661@sr1-umpk-12.sfbay.sun.com> <18818.6592.143270.550353@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49821EF0.1050209@sun.com> <18819.1379.779581.67704@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <4983090E.4000603@sun.com> <18819.3145.762082.268787@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49831E68.5090406@sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 659 John Martin writes: > After some private tutoring by James Carlson, I agree the interface > stability should be marked as Committed and if there are changes to > interfaces there will be new ARC submissions and approvals before > these changes are delivered to Solaris. Thanks. > What is the process for changing the three interface levels from > Volatile to Committed in the ARC document? Since it's a fast-track, you just did it. -- James Carlson, Solaris Networking Sun Microsystems / 35 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677 From gdamore@sun.com Fri Jan 30 08:02:43 2009 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0UG2hVv008559 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:02:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n0UG2cAJ013442 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:02:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KEA0090ZKK95L00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:02:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from sca-es-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.43.132]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KEA0078XKK8RM30@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:02:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-sfbay-09.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n0UG2W2w029793 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:02:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-09.sun.com by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KEA00M01KH8YE00@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> (original mail from gdamore@sun.com) for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:02:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.251.11] ([76.93.15.33]) by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KEA002SSKJZ6N70@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:02:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:02:23 -0800 From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: Re: Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix (VDPAU) [PSARC/2009/059 FastTrack timeout 02/05/2009] In-reply-to: <49830D1B.2020007@sun.com> Sender: Garrett.Damore@sun.com To: John Martin Cc: James Carlson , John.Fischer@sun.com, PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <4983248F.2080207@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200901291854.n0TIsRx5044661@sr1-umpk-12.sfbay.sun.com> <18818.6592.143270.550353@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49821EF0.1050209@sun.com> <18819.1379.779581.67704@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <4983090E.4000603@sun.com> <18819.3145.762082.268787@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49830D1B.2020007@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081201) Status: RO Content-Length: 1007 John Martin wrote: > James Carlson wrote: >> >>> >>> NVIDIA told me last week "full compatibility should be maintained in >>> the >>> future". If the ARC document should reflect only the intent of the >>> owner >>> at the time the document is written, then I agree it should be >>> "Committed". >>> >> >> That's exactly what I'm saying. >> > I'm not familiar with the rules for defining interface stability. I must > rely here on the ARC members. If what I have described means the > interface > should be marked as "Committed", I have no problems with doing so. > It sounds to me, like you're not ready for Committed. I hear "intent" to remain stable, but I also hear a belief that it may be premature to declare this, because the project is so young. Despite Jim's concerns, I'd rather see a too conservative stability than a too generous one. Its trivial to bump the commitment later if we later learn/decide that the "intent" seems to reasonably match reality. -- Garrett From gdamore@sun.com Fri Jan 30 08:04:38 2009 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0UG4cHl024247 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:04:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n0UG4b2J052596 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:04:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KEA00B0DKNOY300@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:04:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from sca-es-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.43.133]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KEA00K1VKNNZZB0@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:04:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from fe-sfbay-09.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n0UG4Zbm024158 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:04:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-09.sun.com by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KEA00M01KH8YE00@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> (original mail from gdamore@sun.com) for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:04:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.251.11] ([76.93.15.33]) by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KEA002USKNB6N80@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:04:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:04:23 -0800 From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: Re: Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix (VDPAU) [PSARC/2009/059 FastTrack timeout 02/05/2009] In-reply-to: <18819.8297.594747.653845@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Sender: Garrett.Damore@sun.com To: James Carlson Cc: John Martin , PSARC-ext@sun.com, John.Fischer@sun.com Message-id: <49832507.90407@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200901291854.n0TIsRx5044661@sr1-umpk-12.sfbay.sun.com> <18818.6592.143270.550353@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49821EF0.1050209@sun.com> <18819.1379.779581.67704@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <4983090E.4000603@sun.com> <18819.3145.762082.268787@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49831E68.5090406@sun.com> <18819.8297.594747.653845@gargle.gargle.HOWL> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081201) Status: RO Content-Length: 647 James Carlson wrote: > John Martin writes: > >> After some private tutoring by James Carlson, I agree the interface >> stability should be marked as Committed and if there are changes to >> interfaces there will be new ARC submissions and approvals before >> these changes are delivered to Solaris. >> > > Thanks. > > >> What is the process for changing the three interface levels from >> Volatile to Committed in the ARC document? >> > > Since it's a fast-track, you just did it. > > Okay, as long as everyone is reasonably confident that reasonable efforts to maintain interface stability will be preserved. -- Garrett From John.Fischer@sun.com Wed Feb 4 11:38:30 2009 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n14JcT1f005153 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 11:38:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n14JcKfp024056 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 12:38:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KEK00D0X3W5YC00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 04 Feb 2009 11:38:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from sca-es-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.43.133]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KEK007NV3W4GP40@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 04 Feb 2009 11:38:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-sfbay-09.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n14JcSLD023997 for ; Wed, 04 Feb 2009 11:38:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-09.sun.com by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KEK00D013DCLI00@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> (original mail from John.Fischer@Sun.COM) for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 04 Feb 2009 11:38:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from [129.146.57.120] by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KEK00GOG3W4PB50@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 04 Feb 2009 11:38:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 11:37:19 -0800 From: John Fischer Subject: Re: Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix (VDPAU) [PSARC/2009/059 FastTrack timeout 02/05/2009] In-reply-to: <49832507.90407@sun.com> Sender: John.Fischer@sun.com To: "Garrett D'Amore" Cc: James Carlson , John Martin , PSARC-ext@sun.com, John Fischer Reply-to: John.Fischer@sun.com Message-id: <4989EE6F.1000304@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200901291854.n0TIsRx5044661@sr1-umpk-12.sfbay.sun.com> <18818.6592.143270.550353@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49821EF0.1050209@sun.com> <18819.1379.779581.67704@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <4983090E.4000603@sun.com> <18819.3145.762082.268787@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49831E68.5090406@sun.com> <18819.8297.594747.653845@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49832507.90407@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081216) Status: RO Content-Length: 829 All, This case times out tomorrow. I believe that all the issues have converged. Is anyone waiting on any issue? Thanks, John Garrett D'Amore wrote: > James Carlson wrote: >> John Martin writes: >> >>> After some private tutoring by James Carlson, I agree the interface >>> stability should be marked as Committed and if there are changes to >>> interfaces there will be new ARC submissions and approvals before >>> these changes are delivered to Solaris. >>> >> >> Thanks. >> >> >>> What is the process for changing the three interface levels from >>> Volatile to Committed in the ARC document? >>> >> >> Since it's a fast-track, you just did it. >> >> > > Okay, as long as everyone is reasonably confident that reasonable > efforts to maintain interface stability will be preserved. > > -- Garrett From gdamore@sun.com Wed Feb 4 12:35:56 2009 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n14KZuUN027544 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 12:35:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n14KZtAu011878 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 12:35:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KEK00L0Z6JUQY00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 04 Feb 2009 12:35:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from sca-es-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.43.133]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KEK007HO6JPGO80@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 04 Feb 2009 12:35:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-sfbay-09.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n14KZnqm000272 for ; Wed, 04 Feb 2009 12:35:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-09.sun.com by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KEK009016F9MK00@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> (original mail from gdamore@sun.com) for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 04 Feb 2009 12:35:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.251.11] ([76.93.15.33]) by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KEK00F576JOQ5D0@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 04 Feb 2009 12:35:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 12:35:48 -0800 From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: Re: Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix (VDPAU) [PSARC/2009/059 FastTrack timeout 02/05/2009] In-reply-to: <4989EE6F.1000304@sun.com> Sender: Garrett.Damore@sun.com To: John.Fischer@sun.com Cc: James Carlson , John Martin , PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <4989FC24.5010607@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200901291854.n0TIsRx5044661@sr1-umpk-12.sfbay.sun.com> <18818.6592.143270.550353@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49821EF0.1050209@sun.com> <18819.1379.779581.67704@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <4983090E.4000603@sun.com> <18819.3145.762082.268787@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49831E68.5090406@sun.com> <18819.8297.594747.653845@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49832507.90407@sun.com> <4989EE6F.1000304@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081201) Status: RO Content-Length: 1353 John Fischer wrote: > All, > > This case times out tomorrow. I believe that all the > issues have converged. Is anyone waiting on any issue? ' I confess I'm still less than confident about lack of integration/synchronization with our "normal" video software on Solaris. I fear that this software may become a virtual "orphan" -- a nice API that nobody actually uses. That said, I don't know that this concern is significant enough to warrant holding the case any further. Maybe once this is integrated someone will try to figure out how to make it work with totem/xine/gstreamer. -- Garrett > > Thanks, > > John > > Garrett D'Amore wrote: >> James Carlson wrote: >>> John Martin writes: >>> >>>> After some private tutoring by James Carlson, I agree the interface >>>> stability should be marked as Committed and if there are changes to >>>> interfaces there will be new ARC submissions and approvals before >>>> these changes are delivered to Solaris. >>>> >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> >>>> What is the process for changing the three interface levels from >>>> Volatile to Committed in the ARC document? >>>> >>> >>> Since it's a fast-track, you just did it. >>> >>> >> >> Okay, as long as everyone is reasonably confident that reasonable >> efforts to maintain interface stability will be preserved. >> >> -- Garrett From John.Fischer@Sun.COM Wed Feb 4 12:42:32 2009 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n14KgVBZ027898 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 12:42:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n14KgUu6016624 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 20:42:30 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KEK00M0X6UT6V00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 04 Feb 2009 12:42:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from sca-es-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.43.133]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KEK00K3N6UTQR20@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 04 Feb 2009 12:42:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n14KgT30000915 for ; Wed, 04 Feb 2009 12:42:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-3.01 64bit (built Dec 23 2008)) id <0KEK00M006RZU000@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 04 Feb 2009 12:42:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from [129.146.57.120] ([unknown] [129.146.57.120]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-3.01 64bit (built Dec 23 2008)) with ESMTPSA id <0KEK000TJ6USE1E0@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 04 Feb 2009 12:42:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 12:41:23 -0800 From: John Fischer Subject: Re: Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix (VDPAU) [PSARC/2009/059 FastTrack timeout 02/05/2009] In-reply-to: <4989FC24.5010607@sun.com> Sender: John.Fischer@Sun.COM To: "Garrett D'Amore" Cc: James Carlson , John Martin , PSARC-ext@Sun.COM, John Fischer Reply-to: John.Fischer@Sun.COM Message-id: <4989FD73.5010206@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200901291854.n0TIsRx5044661@sr1-umpk-12.sfbay.sun.com> <18818.6592.143270.550353@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49821EF0.1050209@sun.com> <18819.1379.779581.67704@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <4983090E.4000603@sun.com> <18819.3145.762082.268787@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49831E68.5090406@sun.com> <18819.8297.594747.653845@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49832507.90407@sun.com> <4989EE6F.1000304@sun.com> <4989FC24.5010607@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081216) Status: RO Content-Length: 1620 Garrett, I'll talk to Brian Cameron about the possibility of creating a plugin for gstreamer that will take advantage of the new features integrated by this project. Thanks, John Garrett D'Amore wrote: > John Fischer wrote: >> All, >> >> This case times out tomorrow. I believe that all the >> issues have converged. Is anyone waiting on any issue? ' > > I confess I'm still less than confident about lack of > integration/synchronization with our "normal" video software on > Solaris. I fear that this software may become a virtual "orphan" -- a > nice API that nobody actually uses. > > That said, I don't know that this concern is significant enough to > warrant holding the case any further. Maybe once this is integrated > someone will try to figure out how to make it work with > totem/xine/gstreamer. > > -- Garrett >> >> Thanks, >> >> John >> >> Garrett D'Amore wrote: >>> James Carlson wrote: >>>> John Martin writes: >>>> >>>>> After some private tutoring by James Carlson, I agree the interface >>>>> stability should be marked as Committed and if there are changes to >>>>> interfaces there will be new ARC submissions and approvals before >>>>> these changes are delivered to Solaris. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> >>>>> What is the process for changing the three interface levels from >>>>> Volatile to Committed in the ARC document? >>>>> >>>> >>>> Since it's a fast-track, you just did it. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Okay, as long as everyone is reasonably confident that reasonable >>> efforts to maintain interface stability will be preserved. >>> >>> -- Garrett > From gdamore@sun.com Wed Feb 4 12:56:32 2009 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n14KuVpM029018 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 12:56:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n14KuVrb063558 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 13:56:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KEK00N057I72100@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 04 Feb 2009 12:56:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from sca-es-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.43.132]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KEK00KI37I4QU30@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 04 Feb 2009 12:56:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-sfbay-09.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n14KuSQv004695 for ; Wed, 04 Feb 2009 12:56:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-09.sun.com by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0KEK00A0176LW400@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> (original mail from gdamore@sun.com) for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 04 Feb 2009 12:56:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.251.11] ([76.93.15.33]) by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0KEK004YF7HRN840@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 04 Feb 2009 12:56:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 12:56:15 -0800 From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: Re: Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix (VDPAU) [PSARC/2009/059 FastTrack timeout 02/05/2009] In-reply-to: <4989FD73.5010206@sun.com> Sender: Garrett.Damore@sun.com To: John.Fischer@sun.com Cc: James Carlson , John Martin , PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <498A00EF.7050006@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200901291854.n0TIsRx5044661@sr1-umpk-12.sfbay.sun.com> <18818.6592.143270.550353@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49821EF0.1050209@sun.com> <18819.1379.779581.67704@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <4983090E.4000603@sun.com> <18819.3145.762082.268787@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49831E68.5090406@sun.com> <18819.8297.594747.653845@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49832507.90407@sun.com> <4989EE6F.1000304@sun.com> <4989FC24.5010607@sun.com> <4989FD73.5010206@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081201) Status: RO Content-Length: 1805 John Fischer wrote: > Garrett, > > I'll talk to Brian Cameron about the possibility of creating > a plugin for gstreamer that will take advantage of the new > features integrated by this project. That would be very cool. It would also make VDPAU much more useful on Solaris. :-) -- Garrett > > Thanks, > > John > > Garrett D'Amore wrote: >> John Fischer wrote: >>> All, >>> >>> This case times out tomorrow. I believe that all the >>> issues have converged. Is anyone waiting on any issue? ' >> >> I confess I'm still less than confident about lack of >> integration/synchronization with our "normal" video software on >> Solaris. I fear that this software may become a virtual "orphan" -- >> a nice API that nobody actually uses. >> >> That said, I don't know that this concern is significant enough to >> warrant holding the case any further. Maybe once this is integrated >> someone will try to figure out how to make it work with >> totem/xine/gstreamer. >> >> -- Garrett >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> John >>> >>> Garrett D'Amore wrote: >>>> James Carlson wrote: >>>>> John Martin writes: >>>>> >>>>>> After some private tutoring by James Carlson, I agree the interface >>>>>> stability should be marked as Committed and if there are changes to >>>>>> interfaces there will be new ARC submissions and approvals before >>>>>> these changes are delivered to Solaris. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> What is the process for changing the three interface levels from >>>>>> Volatile to Committed in the ARC document? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Since it's a fast-track, you just did it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Okay, as long as everyone is reasonably confident that reasonable >>>> efforts to maintain interface stability will be preserved. >>>> >>>> -- Garrett >> From Alan.Coopersmith@sun.com Wed Feb 4 12:58:14 2009 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n14KwEJp029098 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 12:58:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n14KwDqN023266 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 12:58:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KEK007097L1H100@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 04 Feb 2009 13:58:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from sca-es-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.43.132]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KEK00HDI7L115D0@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 04 Feb 2009 13:58:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n14KwDXW004939 for ; Wed, 04 Feb 2009 12:58:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-3.01 64bit (built Dec 23 2008)) id <0KEK00700720G900@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 04 Feb 2009 12:58:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.6.102.118] ([unknown] [10.6.102.118]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-3.01 64bit (built Dec 23 2008)) with ESMTPSA id <0KEK009S57KWAU40@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 04 Feb 2009 12:58:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 12:58:08 -0800 From: Alan Coopersmith Subject: Re: Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix (VDPAU) [PSARC/2009/059 FastTrack timeout 02/05/2009] In-reply-to: <4989FC24.5010607@sun.com> Sender: Alan.Coopersmith@sun.com To: "Garrett D'Amore" Cc: John.Fischer@sun.com, James Carlson , John Martin , PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <498A0160.9040304@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.1 References: <200901291854.n0TIsRx5044661@sr1-umpk-12.sfbay.sun.com> <18818.6592.143270.550353@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49821EF0.1050209@sun.com> <18819.1379.779581.67704@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <4983090E.4000603@sun.com> <18819.3145.762082.268787@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49831E68.5090406@sun.com> <18819.8297.594747.653845@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49832507.90407@sun.com> <4989EE6F.1000304@sun.com> <4989FC24.5010607@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071119) Status: RO Content-Length: 814 Garrett D'Amore wrote: > John Fischer wrote: >> All, >> >> This case times out tomorrow. I believe that all the >> issues have converged. Is anyone waiting on any issue? ' > > I confess I'm still less than confident about lack of > integration/synchronization with our "normal" video software on > Solaris. I fear that this software may become a virtual "orphan" -- a > nice API that nobody actually uses. I think that's work happening upstream, between nvidia & the communities producing mplayer, gstreamer, etc., not necessarily something we need to address ourselves. This is passing through another project, not a Sun investment, so the cost of shipping it, even if never used, is low. -- -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersmith@sun.com Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering From johnf@sac.sfbay.sun.com Mon Feb 9 13:05:48 2009 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n19L5l7s022916 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2009 13:05:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n19L5g8X023873; Mon, 9 Feb 2009 21:05:45 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KET00D01H9LQR00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Mon, 09 Feb 2009 13:05:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from dm-sfbay-02.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.11.31]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KET007BQH9K6L90@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Mon, 09 Feb 2009 13:05:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from sac.sfbay.sun.com (new-sac.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.175.65]) by dm-sfbay-02.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n19L5h3s038213; Mon, 09 Feb 2009 13:05:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from sac.sfbay.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n19L5hUe022913; Mon, 09 Feb 2009 13:05:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from johnf@localhost) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/Submit) id n19L5htQ022912; Mon, 09 Feb 2009 13:05:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 13:05:43 -0800 (PST) From: John Fischer Subject: Re: Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix (VDPAU) [PSARC/2009/059 FastTrack timeout 02/05/2009] To: Alan.Coopersmith@sun.com, gdamore@sun.com Cc: James.D.Carlson@sun.com, John.Fischer@sun.com, John.M.Martin@sun.com, PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <200902092105.n19L5htQ022912@sac.sfbay.sun.com> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 Status: RO Content-Length: 119 All, The discussion having converged and the timeout being reached I am closing this case as approved. Thanks, John