From jw137282@sac.sfbay.sun.com Fri Feb 20 14:51:41 2009 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n1KMpfZM018268 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:51:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n1KMpeNO000605; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:51:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KFD00J0VZI46D00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 15:51:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from dm-sfbay-02.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.11.31]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KFD00431ZI3YVB0@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 15:51:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from sac.sfbay.sun.com (sac.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.226.132]) by dm-sfbay-02.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n1KMpckJ022732; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:51:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from sac.sfbay.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n1KMpbNf018263; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:51:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jw137282@localhost) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/Submit) id n1KMpbYk018259; Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:51:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:51:37 -0800 (PST) From: James Walker Subject: perl-pmtools [PSARC/2009/121 FastTrack timeout 02/27/2009] To: PSARC-ext@sun.com Cc: yuan.fan@sun.com Message-id: <200902202251.n1KMpbYk018259@sac.sfbay.sun.com> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 Status: RO Content-Length: 14054 I'm sponsoring this familiarity case for Yuan Fan. The requested release binding is minor. The man pages have been posted in the materials directory. Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase %I% %G% SMI This information is Copyright 2009 Sun Microsystems 1. Introduction 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: perl-pmtools 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: Author: Yuan Fan 1.3 Date of This Document: 20 February, 2009 4. Technical Description perl-pmtools Check List 1.0 Project Information 1.1 Name of project/component perl-pmtools 1.2 Author of document Yuan Fan 2.0 Project Summary 2.1 Project Description pmtools(Perl module tools) is a suite of small tools that help manage and inspect perl modules, perl plain old documentation files, and perl programs. Some of the things these tools can do include: - show the full path to a module - show the version and description of a module - list all installed modules with descriptions - show what files a given program or module loads at compile time - show what symbols a module exports - list the methods of a class - display the source code of a function of a module pmtools-1.10 will be integrated into the SFW consolidation as part of this proposal, and will be installed as SUNWperl-pmtools. 2.2 Release binding What is is the release binding? (see http://opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/policies/release-taxonomy/) [ ] Major [*] Minor [ ] Patch or Micro [ ] Unknown -- ARC review required 2.3 Type of project Is this case a Linux Familiarity project? [*] Yes [ ] No 2.4 Originating Community 2.4.1 Community Name pmtools - Tom Christiansen [1] 2.4.2 Community Involvement Indicate Sun's involvement in the community [ ] Maintainer [ ] Contributor [*] Monitoring Will the project team work with the upstream community to resolve architectural issues of interest to Sun? [*] Yes [ ] No - briefly explain Will we or are we forking from the community? [ ] Yes - ARC review required prior to forking [*] No 3.0 Technical Description 3.1 Installation & Sharable 3.1.1S Solaris Installation - section only required for Solaris Software (see http://opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/policies/install-locations/ for details) Does this project follow the Install Locations best practice? [*] Yes [ ] No - ARC review required Does this project install into /usr under [sbin|bin|lib|include|man|share]? [*] Yes [ ] No or N/A Does this project install into /opt? [ ] Yes - explain below [*] No or N/A Does this project install into a different directory structure? [ ] Yes - ARC review required [*] No or N/A Do any of the components of this project conflict with anything under /usr? (see http://opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/caselog/2007/047/ for details) [ ] Yes - explain below [*] No If conflicts exist then will this project install under /usr/gnu? [ ] Yes [ ] No - ARC review required [*] N/A Is this project installing into /usr/sfw? [ ] Yes - ARC review required [*] No 3.1.1W Windows Installation - section only required for Windows Software (see http://sac.sfbay/WSARC/2002/494 for details) Does this project install software into a :\Program Files\Sun\ or :\Sun\ directory? [ ] Yes [ ] No - ARC review required Does the project use the Windows registry? [ ] Yes [ ] No - ARC review required Does the project use HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Sun Microsystems\\ for the registry key? [ ] Yes [ ] No - ARC review required Is the project's stored location HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Sun Microsystems\\\Path? [ ] Yes [ ] No - ARC review required 3.1.2 Share and Sharable Does the module include any components that are used or shared by other projects? [ ] Yes [*] No If yes are these components packaged to be shared with the other FOSS? [ ] Yes [ ] No - ARC review required [*] N/A Are these components already in the Solaris WOS? [ ] Yes [*] No - continue with next section (section 3.2) If yes are these newer versions being delivered? [ ] Yes [ ] No - ARC review required If yes are the newer versions replacing the existing versions? [ ] Yes [ ] No - ARC review required 3.2 Exported Libraries Are libraries being delivered by this project? [ ] Yes [*] No - continue with next section (section 3.3) Are 64-bit versions of the libraries being delivered? [ ] Yes [ ] No - ARC review required Are static versions of the libraries being delivered? [ ] Yes - ARC review required [ ] No 3.3 Services and the /etc Directory (see http://opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/policies/SMF-policy/) Does the project integrate anything into /etc/init.d or /etc/rc?.d? [ ] Yes - ARC review required [*] No Does the project integrate any new entries into /etc/inittab or /etc/inetd.conf? [ ] Yes - ARC review required [*] No Does the project integrate any private non-public files into /etc/default or /etc/ configuration files? [ ] Yes - ARC review required [*] No Does the service manifests method context grant rights above that of the noaccess user and basic privilege set? [ ] Yes - ARC review required [*] No 3.4 Security 3.4.1 Secure By Default (see http://opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/policies/secure-by-default/ for details) (see http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/policies/NITS-policy/ for details) (see parts of http://opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/policies/SMF-policy/ for addtional details) Are there any network services provided by this project? [ ] Yes [*] No - continue with the next section (section 3.4.2) Are network services enabled by default? [ ] Yes - ARC review required [ ] No [ ] N/A Are network services automatically enabled by the project during installation? [ ] Yes - ARC review required [ ] No [ ] N/A Are inbound network communications denied by default? [ ] Yes [ ] No - ARC review required [ ] N/A Is inbound data checked to prevent content-based attacks? [ ] Yes [ ] No - ARC review required [ ] N/A Is the outbound receiver authenticated? [ ] Yes [ ] No - ARC review required [ ] N/A Is the receiver authenticated prior to receiving any sensitive outbound communication? [ ] Yes [ ] No - ARC review required [ ] N/A 3.4.2 Authorization (see http://opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/bestpractices/rbac-intro/ and http://opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/bestpractices/rbac-profiles/ and http://opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/bestpractices/rbac-profiles/ for details) Are there any setuid/setgid privileged binaries in the project? [ ] Yes - ARC review required [*] No - continue with next section (section 3.4.3) If yes then are the setuid/setgid privileges handled by the use of roles? [ ] Yes [ ] No - ARC review required 3.4.3 Auditing (see http://opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/policies/audit-policy/ for details) (see http://opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/caselog/2003/397 for details) Does this component contain administrative or security enforcing software? [ ] Yes - ARC review required [*] No - continue to next section (section 3.4.4) (see http://opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/caselog/2003/397 for details) Do the components create audit logs detailing what took place including what event took place, who was involved, when the event took place? [ ] Yes - ARC contract and Audit project team review required [ ] No - ARC review required 3.4.4 Authentication (see http://opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/policies/PAM/) Do the components contain any authentication code? [ ] Yes [*] No - continue to next section (section 3.4.5) If yes do the components use PAM (plugable authentication modules) for authentication? [ ] Yes [ ] No - ARC review required If yes is a single PAM session maintained during authentication? [ ] Yes [ ] No - ARC review required If yes are the components sufficiently privileged to allow the requested operations (authentication, password change, process credential manipulation, audit state initialization)? [ ] Yes - briefly describe below [ ] No - ARC review required 3.4.5 Passwords (see http://opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/bestpractices/passwords-cli/ and http://opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/bestpractices/passwords-files/ for details) Do any of the components for the project deal with passwords? [ ] Yes [*] No - continue to next section (section 3.4.6) If yes are these passwords entered via the CLI or environment? [ ] Yes - ARC review required [ ] No Are passwords stored within the file system for the component? [ ] Yes [ ] No - continue to next section (section 3.4.6) If yes are the permissions on the file such to protect exposing the password(s)? [ ] Yes [ ] No - ARC review required 3.4.6 General Security Questions (see http://opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/bestpractices/security-questions/ for details) Are there any network protocols used by this project? [ ] Yes [*] No - continue with the next section (section 3.5) Do the components use standard network protocols? [ ] Yes [ ] No - ARC review required Do network services for the project make decisions based upon user, host or service identities? [ ] Yes - explain below [ ] No [ ] N/A Do the components make use of secret information during authentication and/or authorization? [ ] Yes - explain below [ ] No [ ] N/A 3.5 Networking Do the components access the network? [ ] Yes [*] No - continue with the next section (section 3.6) If yes do the components support IPv6? [ ] Yes [ ] No - ARC review required 3.6 Core Solaris Components Do the components of this project compete with or duplicate core Solaris components? [ ] Yes - ARC review required [*] No Examples of Core Solaris Components include but are not limited to: Secure By Default Authorizations PAM -- Plugable Authentication Module Privilege PRM -- Process Rights Management -- Privilege Audit xVm -- Virtualization zones / Solaris Containers PRM -- Process Rights Management RBAC -- Role Based Access Control TX / Trusted Extensions ZFS SMF -- Service Management Facility FMA -- Fault Management Architecture SCF -- Smart Card Facility IPsec 4.0 Interfaces 4.1 Exported Interfaces Interface Name Classification Comments ----------------- --------------- ----------------- SUNWperl-pmtools Uncommitted Package usr/bin/basepods Uncommitted Perl script usr/bin/faqpods Uncommitted Perl script usr/bin/modpods Uncommitted Perl script usr/bin/pfcat Uncommitted Perl script usr/bin/plxload Uncommitted Perl script usr/bin/pmall Uncommitted Perl script usr/bin/pman Uncommitted Perl script usr/bin/pmcat Uncommitted Perl script usr/bin/pmdesc Uncommitted Perl script usr/bin/pmdirs Uncommitted Perl script usr/bin/pmeth Uncommitted Perl script usr/bin/pmexp Uncommitted Perl script usr/bin/pmfunc Uncommitted Perl script usr/bin/pminst Uncommitted Perl script usr/bin/pmload Uncommitted Perl script usr/bin/pmls Uncommitted Perl script usr/bin/pmpath Uncommitted Perl script usr/bin/pmvers Uncommitted Perl script usr/bin/podgrep Uncommitted Perl script usr/bin/podpath Uncommitted Perl script usr/bin/pods Uncommitted Perl script usr/bin/podtoc Uncommitted Perl script usr/bin/sitepods Uncommitted Perl script usr/bin/stdpods Uncommitted Perl script 4.2 Imported Interfaces Interface Name Classification Comments --------------------------- -------------- -------------------------- SUNWperl584core Volatile Package Appendix A - References [1] http://search.cpan.org/dist/pmtools/ OSR ID# 10512 RFE ID# 6785005 6. Resources and Schedule 6.4. Steering Committee requested information 6.4.1. Consolidation C-team Name: SFW 6.5. ARC review type: FastTrack 6.6. ARC Exposure: open From carlsonj@phorcys.east.sun.com Mon Feb 23 13:01:44 2009 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n1NL1iTF029673 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 13:01:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n1NL1X6u041801; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:01:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KFJ00C0ZEETUA00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 13:01:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com ([129.148.174.143]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KFJ00HEFEER0460@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 13:01:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n1NL1TZ8006874; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:01:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from carlsonj@localhost) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3/Submit) id n1NL1TPH006871; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:01:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:01:29 -0500 From: James Carlson Subject: Re: perl-pmtools [PSARC/2009/121 FastTrack timeout 02/27/2009] In-reply-to: <200902202251.n1KMpbYk018259@sac.sfbay.sun.com> To: James Walker Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, Yuan.Fan@sun.com Message-id: <18851.3753.426701.565475@gargle.gargle.HOWL> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VM 7.01 under Emacs 21.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200902202251.n1KMpbYk018259@sac.sfbay.sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 1176 James Walker writes: > Interface Name Classification Comments > ----------------- --------------- ----------------- > SUNWperl-pmtools Uncommitted Package > usr/bin/basepods Uncommitted Perl script > usr/bin/faqpods Uncommitted Perl script [...] The installer for pmtools seems to use "perl -V:installscript" as a default install location for these things, and that resolves as /usr/perl5/5.8.4/bin on the current Perl in Solaris. I note that of the things currently in that directory, *only* /usr/perl5/5.4.8/bin/perl has a symlink in /usr/bin. The rest do not. This case seems to propose installing directly in /usr/bin, or perhaps it'll link from /usr/perl5/5.4.8/bin (the intention is a little unclear). Where is the right place to install things like this? Is this a new precedent, or are those other things (such as the rather useful 'perldoc') installed incorrectly? -- James Carlson, Solaris Networking Sun Microsystems / 35 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677 From James.Walker@sun.com Mon Feb 23 14:02:31 2009 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n1NM2UPm001388 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:02:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n1NM2MfV008672 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 24 Feb 2009 06:02:29 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KFJ00B0BH84YM00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.Com); Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:02:28 -0700 (MST) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.98.43]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KFJ00DQFH83WVE0@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.Com); Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:02:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n1NM2Rg5002983 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:02:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-3.01 64bit (built Dec 23 2008)) id <0KFJ00100GF5VS00@mail-amer.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@Sun.Com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.Com); Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:02:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from [172.20.25.153] ([unknown] [172.20.25.153]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-3.01 64bit (built Dec 23 2008)) with ESMTPSA id <0KFJ006I7H7UJG80@mail-amer.sun.com>; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:02:19 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:03:35 -0700 From: Jim Walker Subject: Re: perl-pmtools [PSARC/2009/121 FastTrack timeout 02/27/2009] In-reply-to: <18851.3753.426701.565475@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Sender: James.Walker@sun.com To: James Carlson Cc: James Walker , PSARC-ext@sun.com, Yuan.Fan@sun.com Reply-to: James.Walker@sun.com Message-id: <49A31D37.5040504@sun.com> Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200902202251.n1KMpbYk018259@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <18851.3753.426701.565475@gargle.gargle.HOWL> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080728) Status: RO Content-Length: 1369 James Carlson wrote: > James Walker writes: >> Interface Name Classification Comments >> ----------------- --------------- ----------------- >> SUNWperl-pmtools Uncommitted Package >> usr/bin/basepods Uncommitted Perl script >> usr/bin/faqpods Uncommitted Perl script > [...] > > The installer for pmtools seems to use "perl -V:installscript" as a > default install location for these things, and that resolves as > /usr/perl5/5.8.4/bin on the current Perl in Solaris. > > I note that of the things currently in that directory, *only* > /usr/perl5/5.4.8/bin/perl has a symlink in /usr/bin. The rest do not. > > This case seems to propose installing directly in /usr/bin, or perhaps > it'll link from /usr/perl5/5.4.8/bin (the intention is a little > unclear). > > Where is the right place to install things like this? Is this a new > precedent, or are those other things (such as the rather useful > 'perldoc') installed incorrectly? Currently this case is proposing to install directly in the /usr/bin directory without symlinks. From a familiarity perspective, /usr/bin is the right location: http://packages.debian.org/etch/all/pmtools/filelist But, the project team is open to suggestions. Cheers, Jim -- Jim Walker, http://blogs.sun.com/jwalker Sun Microsystems, Broomfield, Colorado From carlsonj@phorcys.east.sun.com Mon Feb 23 14:09:03 2009 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n1NM923c001421 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:09:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n1NM8lv6018670; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:09:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KFJ00284HJ0DO00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:09:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com ([129.148.174.143]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KFJ00H0UHIX08C0@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:08:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n1NM8leD007244; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:08:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from carlsonj@localhost) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3/Submit) id n1NM8lI5007241; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:08:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:08:47 -0500 From: James Carlson Subject: Re: perl-pmtools [PSARC/2009/121 FastTrack timeout 02/27/2009] In-reply-to: <49A31D37.5040504@sun.com> To: James.Walker@sun.com Cc: James Walker , PSARC-ext@sun.com, Yuan.Fan@sun.com Message-id: <18851.7791.628736.76695@gargle.gargle.HOWL> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VM 7.01 under Emacs 21.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200902202251.n1KMpbYk018259@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <18851.3753.426701.565475@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49A31D37.5040504@sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 1606 Jim Walker writes: > > The installer for pmtools seems to use "perl -V:installscript" as a > > default install location for these things, and that resolves as > > /usr/perl5/5.8.4/bin on the current Perl in Solaris. > > > > I note that of the things currently in that directory, *only* > > /usr/perl5/5.4.8/bin/perl has a symlink in /usr/bin. The rest do not. > > > > This case seems to propose installing directly in /usr/bin, or perhaps > > it'll link from /usr/perl5/5.4.8/bin (the intention is a little > > unclear). > > > > Where is the right place to install things like this? Is this a new > > precedent, or are those other things (such as the rather useful > > 'perldoc') installed incorrectly? > > Currently this case is proposing to install directly in the /usr/bin > directory without symlinks. > > From a familiarity perspective, /usr/bin is the right location: > http://packages.debian.org/etch/all/pmtools/filelist > > But, the project team is open to suggestions. So, are all those other Perl deliveries on Solaris broken? If so, is there a bug filed against them so they can get fixed? I'd rather have some intentional architecture here rather than a collection of seemingly arbitrary decisions. Asserting that there's one right way to do this (which I _think_ you're doing by pointing at the Debian documentation) goes only part way in that direction. -- James Carlson, Solaris Networking Sun Microsystems / 35 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677 From James.Walker@sun.com Mon Feb 23 15:16:11 2009 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n1NNGAQE003688 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:16:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n1NNFr3j059179 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:16:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KFJ00F0VKMFDH00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:15:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.98.31]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KFJ00A7IKMEYXD0@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:15:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n1NNFo0D024845 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2009 23:15:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-3.01 64bit (built Dec 23 2008)) id <0KFJ00L00KKU7B00@mail-amer.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:15:50 -0700 (MST) Received: from [172.20.25.153] ([unknown] [172.20.25.153]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-3.01 64bit (built Dec 23 2008)) with ESMTPSA id <0KFJ007GXKLSIBF0@mail-amer.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:15:28 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:16:47 -0700 From: Jim Walker Subject: Re: perl-pmtools [PSARC/2009/121 FastTrack timeout 02/27/2009] In-reply-to: <18851.7791.628736.76695@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Sender: James.Walker@sun.com To: James Carlson Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, Yuan.Fan@sun.com Reply-to: James.Walker@sun.com Message-id: <49A32E5F.7070603@sun.com> Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200902202251.n1KMpbYk018259@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <18851.3753.426701.565475@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49A31D37.5040504@sun.com> <18851.7791.628736.76695@gargle.gargle.HOWL> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080728) Status: RO Content-Length: 1482 James Carlson wrote: > > So, are all those other Perl deliveries on Solaris broken? If so, is > there a bug filed against them so they can get fixed? > > I'd rather have some intentional architecture here rather than a > collection of seemingly arbitrary decisions. Asserting that there's > one right way to do this (which I _think_ you're doing by pointing at > the Debian documentation) goes only part way in that direction. The project team evaluated the target directories based on what was commonly done by other unix distributions, but the utilities provided by pmtools are closely related to the perl module and pod tools and utilities found in /usr/perl5/5.8.4/bin (/usr/perl5/bin) on OpenSolaris. My recommendation would be to deliver pmtools to the /usr/perl5/5.8.4/bin directory now, and file a bug to rethink where perl components should go in mass like you suggest. This would get end users access to the tools in the least amount of time. Moving current Perl components around is beyond the scope of the project team. I don't know who the current Perl masters are. We may be able to help to some extent, but resources are extremely tight (ie. we need a re-architecture project that focuses on putting things in the "right" places). If we move Perl out of ON into SFW (and make SFW easier to build), the broader OpenSolaris community would be able to help more... Cheers, Jim -- Jim Walker, http://blogs.sun.com/jwalker Sun Microsystems, Broomfield, Colorado From James.Walker@sun.com Wed Feb 25 08:09:37 2009 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n1PG9akd004967 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2009 08:09:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n1PG9MM5012072 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Thu, 26 Feb 2009 00:09:36 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KFM0070RQ7YRK00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.Com); Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:09:34 -0700 (MST) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.98.43]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KFM00C9ZQ7UGCE0@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.Com); Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:09:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n1PG9UdJ013520 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:09:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-3.01 64bit (built Dec 23 2008)) id <0KFM00000O3D9G00@mail-amer.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@Sun.Com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.Com); Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:09:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from [172.20.25.153] ([unknown] [172.20.25.153]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-3.01 64bit (built Dec 23 2008)) with ESMTPSA id <0KFM00CERQ7IQUG0@mail-amer.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@Sun.Com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.Com); Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:09:19 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:10:47 -0700 From: Jim Walker Subject: Re: perl-pmtools [PSARC/2009/121 FastTrack timeout 02/27/2009] In-reply-to: <200902202251.n1KMpbYk018259@sac.sfbay.sun.com> Sender: James.Walker@sun.com To: psarc-ext@sun.com Cc: Yuan.Fan@sun.com Reply-to: James.Walker@sun.com Message-id: <49A56D87.7050704@sun.com> Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200902202251.n1KMpbYk018259@sac.sfbay.sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080728) Status: RO Content-Length: 2319 Based on feedback from Jim, the project team updated the proposal to place the Perl scripts in /usr/perl5/5.8.4/bin. In addition, the Loaded.pm module was added along with it's man page. It is used by the pmtools scripts, but is also user callable, so we are classifying it Uncommitted. The update interface table is shown below. Cheers, Jim +++ 4.1 Exported Interfaces Interface Name Classification Comments ----------------- --------------- ----------------- SUNWperl-pmtools Uncommitted Package usr/perl5/5.8.4/bin/basepods Uncommitted Perl script usr/perl5/5.8.4/bin/faqpods Uncommitted Perl script usr/perl5/5.8.4/bin/modpods Uncommitted Perl script usr/perl5/5.8.4/bin/pfcat Uncommitted Perl script usr/perl5/5.8.4/bin/plxload Uncommitted Perl script usr/perl5/5.8.4/bin/pmall Uncommitted Perl script usr/perl5/5.8.4/bin/pman Uncommitted Perl script usr/perl5/5.8.4/bin/pmcat Uncommitted Perl script usr/perl5/5.8.4/bin/pmdesc Uncommitted Perl script usr/perl5/5.8.4/bin/pmdirs Uncommitted Perl script usr/perl5/5.8.4/bin/pmeth Uncommitted Perl script usr/perl5/5.8.4/bin/pmexp Uncommitted Perl script usr/perl5/5.8.4/bin/pmfunc Uncommitted Perl script usr/perl5/5.8.4/bin/pminst Uncommitted Perl script usr/perl5/5.8.4/bin/pmload Uncommitted Perl script usr/perl5/5.8.4/bin/pmls Uncommitted Perl script usr/perl5/5.8.4/bin/pmpath Uncommitted Perl script usr/perl5/5.8.4/bin/pmvers Uncommitted Perl script usr/perl5/5.8.4/bin/podgrep Uncommitted Perl script usr/perl5/5.8.4/bin/podpath Uncommitted Perl script usr/perl5/5.8.4/bin/pods Uncommitted Perl script usr/perl5/5.8.4/bin/podtoc Uncommitted Perl script usr/perl5/5.8.4/bin/sitepods Uncommitted Perl script usr/perl5/5.8.4/bin/stdpods Uncommitted Perl script usr/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.4/Devel/Loaded.pm Uncommitted Perl script From carlsonj@phorcys.east.sun.com Wed Feb 25 08:17:10 2009 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n1PGHAMp006633 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2009 08:17:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n1PGH1ae012328; Wed, 25 Feb 2009 08:17:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KFM0080NQKHES00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:17:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com ([129.148.174.143]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KFM008HEQKE5Q00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Wed, 25 Feb 2009 09:17:02 -0700 (MST) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n1PGGpwA013413; Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:16:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from carlsonj@localhost) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3/Submit) id n1PGGpPM013410; Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:16:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:16:51 -0500 From: James Carlson Subject: Re: perl-pmtools [PSARC/2009/121 FastTrack timeout 02/27/2009] In-reply-to: <49A56D87.7050704@sun.com> To: James.Walker@sun.com Cc: psarc-ext@sun.com, Yuan.Fan@sun.com Message-id: <18853.28403.391865.552805@gargle.gargle.HOWL> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VM 7.01 under Emacs 21.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200902202251.n1KMpbYk018259@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <49A56D87.7050704@sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 448 Jim Walker writes: > Based on feedback from Jim, the project team updated the > proposal to place the Perl scripts in /usr/perl5/5.8.4/bin. +1, though I hope we have someone somewhere thinking about these wolly Perl paths. -- James Carlson, Solaris Networking Sun Microsystems / 35 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677 From James.Walker@sun.com Wed Feb 25 10:20:01 2009 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n1PIK1tD013286 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:20:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n1PIJsmY003909 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:20:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KFM00K0DW9AL400@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.Com); Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:19:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.98.31]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KFM008FJW9A5NB0@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.Com); Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:19:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n1PIJwDv024637 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:19:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-3.01 64bit (built Dec 23 2008)) id <0KFM00500VCQBL00@mail-amer.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@Sun.Com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.Com); Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:19:58 -0700 (MST) Received: from [172.20.25.153] ([unknown] [172.20.25.153]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-3.01 64bit (built Dec 23 2008)) with ESMTPSA id <0KFM008BVW92LSD0@mail-amer.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@Sun.Com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.Com); Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:19:50 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:21:20 -0700 From: Jim Walker Subject: Re: perl-pmtools [PSARC/2009/121 FastTrack timeout 02/27/2009] In-reply-to: <200902202251.n1KMpbYk018259@sac.sfbay.sun.com> Sender: James.Walker@sun.com To: PSARC-ext@sun.com Cc: Yuan.Fan@sun.com Reply-to: James.Walker@sun.com Message-id: <49A58C20.5080503@sun.com> Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200902202251.n1KMpbYk018259@sac.sfbay.sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080728) Status: RO Content-Length: 61 This case was approved at todays PSARC meeting. Cheers, Jim