From alanc@sac.sfbay.sun.com Tue Mar 3 14:50:42 2009 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n23MogwF024797 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 14:50:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n23MoeRB050210; Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:50:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KFY00B03CSH5000@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Tue, 03 Mar 2009 15:50:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from dm-sfbay-02.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.11.31]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KFY00168CSFFTA0@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Tue, 03 Mar 2009 15:50:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from sac.sfbay.sun.com (sac.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.226.132]) by dm-sfbay-02.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n23MocLT036627; Tue, 03 Mar 2009 14:50:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from sac.sfbay.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n23MobfX024785; Tue, 03 Mar 2009 14:50:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (from alanc@localhost) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/Submit) id n23Moaqu024781; Tue, 03 Mar 2009 14:50:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 14:50:37 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Coopersmith Subject: EOF of xorgcfg & xorgconfig [PSARC/2009/148 FastTrack timeout 03/10/2009] To: PSARC-ext@sun.com Cc: xwin-discuss@opensolaris.org Message-id: <200903032250.n23Moaqu024781@sac.sfbay.sun.com> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 Status: RO Content-Length: 2522 I am sponsoring this fast-track on behalf of the X11 Engineering Team. The timeout is set for Monday, March 10, 2009. -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersmith@sun.com Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.68 02/23/09 SMI This information is Copyright 2009 Sun Microsystems 1. Introduction 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: EOF of xorgcfg & xorgconfig 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: Author: Alan Coopersmith 1.3 Date of This Document: 03 March, 2009 4. Technical Description The X.Org community recently released Xorg server version 1.6. This version no longer includes the xorgconfig text UI or xorgcfg GUI for creating and editing xorg.conf files. These utilities had not been kept up to date with advances in Xorg configuration in recent releases, and were mostly unmaintained and unused in the community, since most Linux distros used their own configuration tools. Solaris has defaulted to autoconfiguration for Xorg, and improvements there have continually reduced the need for xorg.conf files, and when they are needed, reduced the amount of boilerplate needed to modify the auto-configuration. When overriding the configuration settings is necessary, a configuration file may still be created with Xorg -configure. (Users of nvidia graphics additionally may use the nvidia-provided configuration tools nvidia-settings and nvidia-xconfig.) This case announces the EOF of, and removes, the xorgcfg & xorgconfig utilities for creating or updating xorg.conf configuration files. This case delivers in two phases: 1) In a patch release, announces the obsolesence of and future removal plans for, xorgcfg & xorgconfig. Exported Interfaces: -------------------- /usr/X11/bin/xorgconfig Obsolete PSARC 2004/184 (was External) /usr/X11/bin/xorgcfg Obsolete PSARC 2005/225 (path was Stable, options Volatile) 2) In a minor release, removes the following from the X consolidation: The entire SUNWxorg-cfg package, including /usr/X11/bin/xorgcfg From SUNWxorg-server: /usr/X11/bin/xorgconfig From SUNWxwplr: /etc/security/exec_attr entries for xorgconfig & xorgcfg Exported Interfaces: -------------------- /usr/X11/bin/xorgconfig Removed /usr/X11/bin/xorgcfg Removed 6. Resources and Schedule 6.4. Steering Committee requested information 6.4.1. Consolidation C-team Name: X Consolidation (Desktop C-Team) 6.5. ARC review type: FastTrack 6.6. ARC Exposure: open From gdamore@Sun.COM Wed Mar 4 05:28:39 2009 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n24DScwJ022744 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 05:28:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n24DSZ0L007970 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 21:28:37 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KFZ00A01HFN0600@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 04 Mar 2009 06:28:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from sca-es-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.43.133]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KFZ00FLVHFN4DA0@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 04 Mar 2009 06:28:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n24DSY24009399 for ; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 05:28:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-3.01 64bit (built Dec 23 2008)) id <0KFZ00M00HF8Q200@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 04 Mar 2009 05:28:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.251.11] ([unknown] [76.93.15.33]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-3.01 64bit (built Dec 23 2008)) with ESMTPSA id <0KFZ00KV0HFMI8F0@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 04 Mar 2009 05:28:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 05:28:34 -0800 From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: Re: EOF of xorgcfg & xorgconfig [PSARC/2009/148 FastTrack timeout 03/10/2009] In-reply-to: <200903032250.n23Moaqu024781@sac.sfbay.sun.com> Sender: Garrett.Damore@Sun.COM To: Alan Coopersmith Cc: PSARC-ext@Sun.COM, xwin-discuss@opensolaris.org Message-id: <49AE8202.6010901@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200903032250.n23Moaqu024781@sac.sfbay.sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081201) Status: RO Content-Length: 2781 +1. How will notification to users about this change be done? Via standard EOF process? -- Garrettt Alan Coopersmith wrote: > I am sponsoring this fast-track on behalf of the X11 Engineering Team. > The timeout is set for Monday, March 10, 2009. > > -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersmith@sun.com > Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering > > Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.68 02/23/09 SMI > This information is Copyright 2009 Sun Microsystems > 1. Introduction > 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: > EOF of xorgcfg & xorgconfig > 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: > Author: Alan Coopersmith > 1.3 Date of This Document: > 03 March, 2009 > 4. Technical Description > > The X.Org community recently released Xorg server version 1.6. This > version no longer includes the xorgconfig text UI or xorgcfg GUI for > creating and editing xorg.conf files. These utilities had not been > kept up to date with advances in Xorg configuration in recent releases, > and were mostly unmaintained and unused in the community, since most > Linux distros used their own configuration tools. Solaris has defaulted > to autoconfiguration for Xorg, and improvements there have continually > reduced the need for xorg.conf files, and when they are needed, reduced > the amount of boilerplate needed to modify the auto-configuration. > When overriding the configuration settings is necessary, a configuration > file may still be created with Xorg -configure. (Users of nvidia graphics > additionally may use the nvidia-provided configuration tools nvidia-settings > and nvidia-xconfig.) > > This case announces the EOF of, and removes, the xorgcfg & xorgconfig > utilities for creating or updating xorg.conf configuration files. > > This case delivers in two phases: > > 1) In a patch release, announces the obsolesence of and future removal plans > for, xorgcfg & xorgconfig. > > Exported Interfaces: > -------------------- > /usr/X11/bin/xorgconfig Obsolete PSARC 2004/184 (was External) > /usr/X11/bin/xorgcfg Obsolete PSARC 2005/225 > (path was Stable, options Volatile) > > 2) In a minor release, removes the following from the X consolidation: > > The entire SUNWxorg-cfg package, including /usr/X11/bin/xorgcfg > > From SUNWxorg-server: > /usr/X11/bin/xorgconfig > > From SUNWxwplr: > /etc/security/exec_attr entries for xorgconfig & xorgcfg > > Exported Interfaces: > -------------------- > /usr/X11/bin/xorgconfig Removed > /usr/X11/bin/xorgcfg Removed > > 6. Resources and Schedule > 6.4. Steering Committee requested information > 6.4.1. Consolidation C-team Name: > X Consolidation (Desktop C-Team) > 6.5. ARC review type: FastTrack > 6.6. ARC Exposure: open > > From carlsonj@phorcys.east.sun.com Wed Mar 4 06:29:26 2009 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n24ETPXP010627 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 06:29:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n24ETECJ003003; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 14:29:23 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KFZ00F19K8ZZH00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 06:29:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com ([129.148.174.143]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KFZ006AUK8X2E40@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 06:29:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n24ELkBJ002959; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 09:21:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from carlsonj@localhost) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3/Submit) id n24ELkfH002956; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 09:21:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 09:21:46 -0500 From: James Carlson Subject: Re: EOF of xorgcfg & xorgconfig [PSARC/2009/148 FastTrack timeout 03/10/2009] In-reply-to: <200903032250.n23Moaqu024781@sac.sfbay.sun.com> To: Alan Coopersmith Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, xwin-discuss@opensolaris.org Message-id: <18862.36474.788628.541008@gargle.gargle.HOWL> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VM 7.01 under Emacs 21.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200903032250.n23Moaqu024781@sac.sfbay.sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 393 Alan Coopersmith writes: > This case announces the EOF of, and removes, the xorgcfg & xorgconfig > utilities for creating or updating xorg.conf configuration files. +1 -- James Carlson, Solaris Networking Sun Microsystems / 35 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677 From alan.coopersmith@sun.com Wed Mar 4 07:49:28 2009 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n24FnRrY020879 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 07:49:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n24FnRgU015034; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 07:49:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KFZ00M05NYFCA00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 07:49:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from sfbaymail1sca.SFBay.Sun.COM ([129.145.154.35]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KFZ00L2GNYEN610@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 07:49:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.6.102.118] (sunray-sxde.SFBay.Sun.COM [10.6.102.118]) by sfbaymail1sca.SFBay.Sun.COM (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n24FnP2T001660; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 07:49:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 07:49:25 -0800 From: Alan Coopersmith Subject: Re: EOF of xorgcfg & xorgconfig [PSARC/2009/148 FastTrack timeout 03/10/2009] In-reply-to: <49AE8202.6010901@sun.com> To: "Garrett D'Amore" Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, xwin-discuss@opensolaris.org Message-id: <49AEA305.6020607@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.1 References: <200903032250.n23Moaqu024781@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <49AE8202.6010901@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071119) Status: RO Content-Length: 455 Garrett D'Amore wrote: > +1. > > How will notification to users about this change be done? Via standard > EOF process? That was my intent: entries in the S10 update release notes and additions to their man pages. I was not planning on modifying their code with "Stop using me!" messages as some EOF's optionally choose to do as well. -- -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersmith@sun.com Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering From Garrett.Damore@sun.com Wed Mar 4 08:49:19 2009 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n24GnJPt017397 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 08:49:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n24GnI3J008885 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 08:49:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KFZ00G3DQQ52800@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 04 Mar 2009 08:49:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from sca-es-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.43.133]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KFZ00DBDQQ1T420@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 04 Mar 2009 08:49:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n24GnD97024582 for ; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 08:49:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-3.01 64bit (built Dec 23 2008)) id <0KFZ00N00OBO1B00@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 04 Mar 2009 08:49:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from [129.153.2.8] ([unknown] [129.153.2.8]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-3.01 64bit (built Dec 23 2008)) with ESMTPSA id <0KFZ005EFQPVST70@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 04 Mar 2009 08:49:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 08:49:07 -0800 From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: Re: EOF of xorgcfg & xorgconfig [PSARC/2009/148 FastTrack timeout 03/10/2009] In-reply-to: <49AEA305.6020607@sun.com> Sender: Garrett.Damore@sun.com To: Alan Coopersmith Cc: "Garrett D'Amore" , PSARC-ext@sun.com, xwin-discuss@opensolaris.org Message-id: <49AEB103.7030207@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_WnjkxTY3AUTgRPf5LOxCRQ)" X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200903032250.n23Moaqu024781@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <49AE8202.6010901@sun.com> <49AEA305.6020607@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080807) Status: RO Content-Length: 3527 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_WnjkxTY3AUTgRPf5LOxCRQ) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On 03/04/09 07:49, Alan Coopersmith wrote: > Garrett D'Amore wrote: > >> +1. >> >> How will notification to users about this change be done? Via standard >> EOF process? >> > > That was my intent: entries in the S10 update release notes and additions > to their man pages. I was not planning on modifying their code with > "Stop using me!" messages as some EOF's optionally choose to do as well. > > Okay, thanks for the clarification. It would also be nice if customers reading the "usual documentation" (customers reading manuals? nah....) would discover this as well. I'm not sure apropos will help them locate Xorg -configure..... Maybe just a stub man page for xorgcfg that says "This program has been removed, use Xorg -configure instead" or somesuch? (I know this isn't a normal part of the EOF process, I'm just contemplating what might be helpful to our users.) (Our "normal" EOF process is a bit different these days... used to be you'd get notification of pending removal in a minor release at release FCS -- e.g. if you're going to remove something in S10 it was notified in S9 FCS. But now don't have a clear release progression from S10 to anything else, and we have notifications happening in updates that customers are much more likely to skip than they were the major^Wminor releases of the past...) -- Garrett --Boundary_(ID_WnjkxTY3AUTgRPf5LOxCRQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On 03/04/09 07:49, Alan Coopersmith wrote: 
Garrett D'Amore wrote:
  
+1.

How will notification to users about this change be done?  Via standard
EOF process?
    

That was my intent: entries in the S10 update release notes and additions
to their man pages.   I was not planning on modifying their code with
"Stop using me!" messages as some EOF's optionally choose to do as well.
Okay, thanks for the clarification.

It would also be nice if customers reading the "usual documentation" (customers reading manuals?  nah....) would discover this as well.  I'm not sure apropos will help them locate Xorg -configure.....  Maybe just a stub man page for xorgcfg that says "This program has been removed, use Xorg -configure instead" or somesuch?  (I know this isn't a normal part of the EOF process, I'm just contemplating what might be helpful to our users.)

(Our "normal" EOF process is a bit different these days... used to be you'd get notification of pending removal in a minor release at release FCS -- e.g. if you're going to remove something in S10 it was notified in S9 FCS.  But now don't have a clear release progression from S10 to anything else, and we have notifications happening in updates that customers are much more likely to skip than they were the major^Wminor releases of the past...)

    -- Garrett

--Boundary_(ID_WnjkxTY3AUTgRPf5LOxCRQ)-- From carlsonj@phorcys.east.sun.com Wed Mar 4 09:04:05 2009 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n24H45ox020040 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:04:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n24H3o0l017084; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 17:04:03 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KFZ0030TREQ3200@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 09:04:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com ([129.148.174.143]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KFZ00LAKREPN880@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 09:04:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n24GuQ51004175; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 11:56:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from carlsonj@localhost) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3/Submit) id n24GuQIE004172; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 11:56:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 11:56:26 -0500 From: James Carlson Subject: Re: EOF of xorgcfg & xorgconfig [PSARC/2009/148 FastTrack timeout 03/10/2009] In-reply-to: <49AEB103.7030207@sun.com> To: "Garrett D'Amore" Cc: Alan Coopersmith , "Garrett D'Amore" , PSARC-ext@sun.com, xwin-discuss@opensolaris.org Message-id: <18862.45754.778516.84588@gargle.gargle.HOWL> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VM 7.01 under Emacs 21.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200903032250.n23Moaqu024781@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <49AE8202.6010901@sun.com> <49AEA305.6020607@sun.com> <49AEB103.7030207@sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 937 Garrett D'Amore writes: > (Our "normal" EOF process is a bit different these days... used to be > you'd get notification of pending removal in a minor release at release > FCS -- e.g. if you're going to remove something in S10 it was notified > in S9 FCS. But now don't have a clear release progression from S10 to That's not true. At least it certainly wasn't true for S9 or S8. We announced EOF of software features in S8 and S9 Updates that then took place in the next Minor release (S9 and S10, respectively), and those announcements were _not_ in the FCS notes. That _might_ have been true back in Solaris 7 or 2.6, but back then, release cycles were measured in months, not large numbers of years. -- James Carlson, Solaris Networking Sun Microsystems / 35 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677 From Garrett.Damore@Sun.COM Wed Mar 4 09:11:12 2009 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n24HBBGs020687 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:11:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n24HBAAA021919 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:11:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KFZ00357RQNAE00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 04 Mar 2009 09:11:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from sca-es-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.43.133]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KFZ00LUIRQKMY80@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 04 Mar 2009 09:11:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-sfbay-09.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n24HB8ig027390 for ; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 09:11:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-09.sun.com by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-3.01 64bit (built Dec 23 2008)) id <0KFZ00E00OT37300@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 04 Mar 2009 09:11:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from [129.153.2.8] ([unknown] [129.153.2.8]) by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-3.01 64bit (built Dec 23 2008)) with ESMTPSA id <0KFZ00LL8RQE1XB0@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 04 Mar 2009 09:11:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 09:11:02 -0800 From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: Re: EOF of xorgcfg & xorgconfig [PSARC/2009/148 FastTrack timeout 03/10/2009] In-reply-to: <18862.45754.778516.84588@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Sender: Garrett.Damore@Sun.COM To: James Carlson Cc: Alan Coopersmith , "Garrett D'Amore" , PSARC-ext@Sun.COM, xwin-discuss@opensolaris.org Message-id: <49AEB626.3080704@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_URRl04YyYaOZTunvcu3x4A)" X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200903032250.n23Moaqu024781@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <49AE8202.6010901@sun.com> <49AEA305.6020607@sun.com> <49AEB103.7030207@sun.com> <18862.45754.778516.84588@gargle.gargle.HOWL> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080807) Status: RO Content-Length: 3966 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_URRl04YyYaOZTunvcu3x4A) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On 03/04/09 08:56, James Carlson wrote: > Garrett D'Amore writes: > >> (Our "normal" EOF process is a bit different these days... used to be >> you'd get notification of pending removal in a minor release at release >> FCS -- e.g. if you're going to remove something in S10 it was notified >> in S9 FCS. But now don't have a clear release progression from S10 to >> > > That's not true. At least it certainly wasn't true for S9 or S8. We > announced EOF of software features in S8 and S9 Updates that then took > place in the next Minor release (S9 and S10, respectively), and those > announcements were _not_ in the FCS notes. > Maybe I'm misrecalling, then. Was this true during the first several (say the first 4 or so) S8 updates? I remember that S8 releases seemed like they got extended *forever* well beyond the original plans, but I think S10 is likely to make it seemed like the S8 lifetime was short by comparison. Anyway, I still think a "findable" resource in documentation (e.g. man pages) would be useful. Such a stub entry could be removed after enough time had passed. (I'm not offering to define what "enough" is, but one one possible interpretation could be a regular minor release cycle -- although I don't know what a "minor release cycle" is anymore -- but I don't think anyone else around here does either.) -- Garrett > That _might_ have been true back in Solaris 7 or 2.6, but back then, > release cycles were measured in months, not large numbers of years. > > --Boundary_(ID_URRl04YyYaOZTunvcu3x4A) Content-type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On 03/04/09 08:56, James Carlson wrote: 
Garrett D'Amore writes:
  
(Our "normal" EOF process is a bit different these days... used to be 
you'd get notification of pending removal in a minor release at release 
FCS -- e.g. if you're going to remove something in S10 it was notified 
in S9 FCS.  But now don't have a clear release progression from S10 to 
    

That's not true.  At least it certainly wasn't true for S9 or S8.  We
announced EOF of software features in S8 and S9 Updates that then took
place in the next Minor release (S9 and S10, respectively), and those
announcements were _not_ in the FCS notes.

Maybe I'm misrecalling, then.   Was this true during the first several (say the first 4 or so) S8 updates?  I remember that S8 releases seemed like they got extended *forever* well beyond the original plans, but I think S10 is likely to make it seemed like the S8 lifetime was short by comparison.

Anyway, I still think a "findable" resource in documentation (e.g. man pages) would be useful.  Such a stub entry could be removed after enough time had passed.  (I'm not offering to define what "enough" is, but one one possible interpretation could be a regular minor release cycle -- although I don't know what a "minor release cycle" is anymore -- but I don't think anyone else around here does either.)

    -- Garrett

That _might_ have been true back in Solaris 7 or 2.6, but back then,
release cycles were measured in months, not large numbers of years.

--Boundary_(ID_URRl04YyYaOZTunvcu3x4A)-- From alan.coopersmith@sun.com Wed Mar 4 09:35:39 2009 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n24HZdgP024415 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:35:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n24HZbSP017906; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:35:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KFZ00A21SVEDH00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 10:35:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from sfbaymail1sca.SFBay.Sun.COM ([129.145.154.35]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KFZ00IB1SVEY9B0@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 10:35:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from [10.6.102.118] (sunray-sxde.SFBay.Sun.COM [10.6.102.118]) by sfbaymail1sca.SFBay.Sun.COM (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n24HZbK7006789; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 09:35:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 09:35:37 -0800 From: Alan Coopersmith Subject: Re: EOF of xorgcfg & xorgconfig [PSARC/2009/148 FastTrack timeout 03/10/2009] In-reply-to: <49AEB103.7030207@sun.com> To: "Garrett D'Amore" Cc: "Garrett D'Amore" , PSARC-ext@sun.com, xwin-discuss@opensolaris.org Message-id: <49AEBBE9.1070103@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.1 References: <200903032250.n23Moaqu024781@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <49AE8202.6010901@sun.com> <49AEA305.6020607@sun.com> <49AEB103.7030207@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071119) Status: RO Content-Length: 902 Garrett D'Amore wrote: > (Our "normal" EOF process is a bit different these days... used to be > you'd get notification of pending removal in a minor release at release > FCS -- e.g. if you're going to remove something in S10 it was notified > in S9 FCS. No, many notifications of removals in S10 happened in the S9 update release release notes. Solaris 2.6 was the last time the minor release had notification of all the removals planned for the next minor release - the addition of updates in Solaris 7 and the longer time frame between minors those allowed gave us the need and ability to add more EOF notices in update releases as we go forward. It's been a decade since minor releases were 12-18 months apart and thus lined up with the one year notice of EOF requirements. -- -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersmith@sun.com Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering From Garrett.Damore@sun.com Wed Mar 4 09:37:19 2009 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n24HbJRG024499 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:37:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n24HbH3U018854 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:37:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KFZ00A0LSY6WM00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 04 Mar 2009 10:37:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from sca-es-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.43.133]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KFZ00I9ESY5Y6D0@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 04 Mar 2009 10:37:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from fe-sfbay-09.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n24HbHY5000858 for ; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 09:37:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-09.sun.com by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-3.01 64bit (built Dec 23 2008)) id <0KFZ00900RPD9K00@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 04 Mar 2009 09:37:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from [129.153.2.8] ([unknown] [129.153.2.8]) by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-3.01 64bit (built Dec 23 2008)) with ESMTPSA id <0KFZ00LLXSY41XD0@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 04 Mar 2009 09:37:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 09:37:16 -0800 From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: Re: EOF of xorgcfg & xorgconfig [PSARC/2009/148 FastTrack timeout 03/10/2009] In-reply-to: <49AEBBE9.1070103@sun.com> Sender: Garrett.Damore@sun.com To: Alan Coopersmith Cc: "Garrett D'Amore" , PSARC-ext@sun.com, xwin-discuss@opensolaris.org Message-id: <49AEBC4C.4030201@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_H17q6qD0/yUmG1Rzvv8dxA)" X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200903032250.n23Moaqu024781@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <49AE8202.6010901@sun.com> <49AEA305.6020607@sun.com> <49AEB103.7030207@sun.com> <49AEBBE9.1070103@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080807) Status: RO Content-Length: 2714 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_H17q6qD0/yUmG1Rzvv8dxA) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On 03/04/09 09:35, Alan Coopersmith wrote: > Garrett D'Amore wrote: > >> (Our "normal" EOF process is a bit different these days... used to be >> you'd get notification of pending removal in a minor release at release >> FCS -- e.g. if you're going to remove something in S10 it was notified >> in S9 FCS. >> > > No, many notifications of removals in S10 happened in the S9 update release > release notes. Solaris 2.6 was the last time the minor release had > notification of all the removals planned for the next minor release - the > addition of updates in Solaris 7 and the longer time frame between minors > those allowed gave us the need and ability to add more EOF notices in > update releases as we go forward. It's been a decade since minor releases > were 12-18 months apart and thus lined up with the one year notice of EOF > requirements. > > Okay, I stand corrected. I still think my motivating suggestion has merit, but its only a suggestion after all. -- Garrett --Boundary_(ID_H17q6qD0/yUmG1Rzvv8dxA) Content-type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT On 03/04/09 09:35, Alan Coopersmith wrote: 
Garrett D'Amore wrote:
  
(Our "normal" EOF process is a bit different these days... used to be
you'd get notification of pending removal in a minor release at release
FCS -- e.g. if you're going to remove something in S10 it was notified
in S9 FCS.  
    

No, many notifications of removals in S10 happened in the S9 update release
release notes.   Solaris 2.6 was the last time the minor release had
notification of all the removals planned for the next minor release - the
addition of updates in Solaris 7 and the longer time frame between minors
those allowed gave us the need and ability to add more EOF notices in
update releases as we go forward.    It's been a decade since minor releases
were 12-18 months apart and thus lined up with the one year notice of EOF
requirements.
Okay, I stand corrected.  I still think my motivating suggestion has merit, but its only a suggestion after all.

    -- Garrett

--Boundary_(ID_H17q6qD0/yUmG1Rzvv8dxA)-- From carlsonj@phorcys.east.sun.com Wed Mar 4 09:38:58 2009 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n24Hcwnf024689 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:38:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n24Hcv1K010335; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:38:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KFZ0050NT0X8900@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 09:38:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com ([129.148.174.143]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KFZ00LM1T0XN7B0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 09:38:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n24HVMXM004474; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 12:31:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from carlsonj@localhost) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3/Submit) id n24HVM66004471; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 12:31:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 12:31:22 -0500 From: James Carlson Subject: Re: EOF of xorgcfg & xorgconfig [PSARC/2009/148 FastTrack timeout 03/10/2009] In-reply-to: <49AEB626.3080704@sun.com> To: "Garrett D'Amore" Cc: Alan Coopersmith , "Garrett D'Amore" , PSARC-ext@sun.com, xwin-discuss@opensolaris.org Message-id: <18862.47850.642035.912735@gargle.gargle.HOWL> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VM 7.01 under Emacs 21.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200903032250.n23Moaqu024781@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <49AE8202.6010901@sun.com> <49AEA305.6020607@sun.com> <49AEB103.7030207@sun.com> <18862.45754.778516.84588@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49AEB626.3080704@sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 427 Garrett D'Amore writes: > Maybe I'm misrecalling, then. Was this true during the first several > (say the first 4 or so) S8 updates? Maybe. I know I obsoleted asppp in S8u5 and then yanked from S9. -- James Carlson, Solaris Networking Sun Microsystems / 35 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677 From alan.coopersmith@sun.com Wed Mar 4 10:45:08 2009 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n24Ij8GF002750 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:45:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n24Ij4j2047934 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Wed, 4 Mar 2009 11:45:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KFZ00D1HW36EU00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 04 Mar 2009 10:45:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from sfbaymail1sca.SFBay.Sun.COM ([129.145.154.35]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KFZ005YEW35K460@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 04 Mar 2009 10:45:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.6.102.118] (sunray-sxde.SFBay.Sun.COM [10.6.102.118]) by sfbaymail1sca.SFBay.Sun.COM (8.13.6+Sun/8.13.6/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n24Ij4ZV010608; Wed, 04 Mar 2009 10:45:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 10:45:04 -0800 From: Alan Coopersmith Subject: Re: EOF of xorgcfg & xorgconfig [PSARC/2009/148 FastTrack timeout 03/10/2009] In-reply-to: <200903032250.n23Moaqu024781@sac.sfbay.sun.com> To: Alan Coopersmith Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, xwin-discuss@opensolaris.org Message-id: <49AECC30.4090604@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.1 References: <200903032250.n23Moaqu024781@sac.sfbay.sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071119) Status: RO Content-Length: 665 This case was approved during ARC business today. Garrett's suggestion of leaving stub man pages for these commands after their removal pointing to the remaining configuration methods seems reasonable, so will be handled as an implementation detail. (If there's any other documentation that should be updated, let me know, and we'll do that too. I've already gone through all the Xorg driver man pages upstream to remove xorgcfg & xorgconfig from their See Also lists, so those updates will be coming with the driver updates with Xorg 1.6.) -- -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersmith@sun.com Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering