From sacadmin Thu Mar 26 13:50:54 2009 Received: from sac.sfbay.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n2QKosCU022545; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 13:50:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from carlsonj@localhost) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/Submit) id n2QKospg022537; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 13:50:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 13:50:54 -0700 (PDT) From: James Carlson Message-Id: <200903262050.n2QKospg022537@sac.sfbay.sun.com> To: PSARC-record@sac.sfbay.sun.com Subject: Solaris Simlinks [PSARC/2009/200 FastTrack timeout 04/02/2009] Status: RO Content-Length: 555 Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.68 02/23/09 SMI This information is Copyright 2009 Sun Microsystems 1. Introduction 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: Solaris Simlinks 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: Author: Rishi Srivatsavai 1.3 Date of This Document: 26 March, 2009 4. Technical Description See the case directory for more detail 6. Resources and Schedule 6.4. Steering Committee requested information 6.4.1. Consolidation C-team Name: ON 6.5. ARC review type: FastTrack 6.6. ARC Exposure: open From carlsonj@phorcys.east.sun.com Thu Mar 26 13:55:24 2009 Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (phorcys.East.Sun.COM [129.148.174.143]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n2QKtOwY023544 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 13:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (phorcys.local [127.0.0.1]) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n2QKt9bD002831; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:55:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from carlsonj@localhost) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3/Submit) id n2QKt9Ef002828; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:55:09 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18891.60333.748067.933529@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:55:09 -0400 From: James Carlson To: psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com cc: Rishi.Srivatsavai@sun.com Subject: 2009/200 Solaris Simlinks X-Mailer: VM 7.01 under Emacs 21.3.1 Status: RO Content-Length: 6393 I'm sponsoring this fast-track request for Rishi Srivatsavai. The timer is set to 04/02/2009. This project introduces simlinks with stability level of Uncommitted, the private data-link properties for simlinks are Project Private and the release binding is Minor. Simulated links (simlinks) are pseudo GLDv3 network devices that aid in the creation of point-to-point network links on a system. They are intended to be a testing resource for OpenSolaris developers. Simlinks should help in developing test suites that can run with minimal network hardware and test protocols and codepaths that were previously not possible to test on a single system. This case has two components: the new 'simlink' pseudo GLDv3 network device driver and the changes in dladm(1M) to create, modify and delete simlinks. The name simlink was chosen even though it might be confused with symlink, as the name was short and can be easily identified as a testing resource. Simlinks are created by the administrator on a system using dladm(1M). Simlinks can be of type: Ethernet or WiFi and the type is specified at the time of creation. When creating a new simlink device the simlink driver uses a random MAC address and registers the device as a new MAC on the system. Once created administrators can plumb IP, snoop and create VLANs using the new simlink. In other words upon creation simlinks appear as regular Ethernet/WiFi hardware devices. Simlink instances persist and survive reboot, unless created with the "temporary" option. Initially new simlink devices have no peer link attached. No packets are received from the device and all packets sent to the device are silently discarded. In this configuration simlinks are of limited to no use. Simlinks must have another simlink attached to simulate a point-to-point link. In such a configuration packets transmitted on a simlink are received at the other simlink and vice-versa, simulating a full-duplex point-to-point link. Using a combination of such links one can simulate a number of network configurations within a single system. The point-to-point nature of the device allows us to write test software that can send and capture packets at both the end-points and verify network software without the distractions that arise from the need and the use of actual network hardware. Simlinks are different from VNICs. Simlinks are used to simulate point-to-point links and are MAC-level objects that appear to consumers as real Ethernet/WiFi devices. Therefore, you may create an aggregation on top of a collection of simlinks, while such a thing is not possible with VNICs or the existing Etherstubs. Such a configuration would allow the testing of aggregations (and LACP signaling) without having to set up multiple physical point-to-point connections between two systems. A VNIC on the other hand is created over an Etherstub or other existing MAC-level objects (such as simlinks) to provide bandwidth control of traffic on the underlying link. Etherstubs do not have MAC addresses associated with them and are not suitable to simulate a single link. The following dladm sub-commands are introduced by this case: create-simlink [-t] [-m ] A new simlink device is created on the system with the given linkname. Media can either be Ethernet (default) or WiFi. modify-simlink [-t] [-p ] Another simlink is associated as the peer link of an existing simlink. If the -p option is not specified any existing peer link associated with the simlink instance is removed. delete-simlink [-t] Delete simlink instance from the system. If the simlink has a peer simlink associated with it the command fails. show-simlink [-pP] [-o ,...] [] Lists the existing simlinks or when linkname is specified displays the given simlink on the system. Output fields are: LINK, MEDIA, MACADDRESS and OTHERLINK Simlink instances are of data-link class 'DATALINK_CLASS_SIMLINK' and the output from 'dladm show-link' lists simlink instances as belonging to class 'simlink'. 'dladm show-link' shows the simlink peer (if there is one) in the 'OVER' field. Simlink instances are not included in the output of 'dladm show-phys'. Create, modify and delete simlink operations require sys_net_config privilege. Simlinks are expected to be used during network software development and testing on OpenSolaris. To encourage use of simlinks for testing this case proposes project teams introduce new private data-link properties in the simlink driver that modify or control the response from the device to administrative action. For example to simulate a WiFi scan the simlink driver introduces a new _wl_esslist private property. Before performing a WiFi scan on a WiFi simlink, the _wl_esslist property of the device can be initialized with test values. Performing the WiFi scan on the simlink will return results using the values set in _wl_esslist property. This case proposes to introduce the following two private properties with a stability level of Project Private and are listed below as examples. As the intended usage is with testing scripts the stability level for the private properties shouldn't be a problem. A future project might introduce more interactive APIs in addition to or in place of the proposed properties. _wl_esslist WiFi scan results. Comma separated essid and signal stength pair to set a WiFi scan result. This property can be set multiple times (max 10) for multiple WiFi scan results. _wl_connected Toggle to indicate the device is connected to a WiFi access point. Wifi apsects of simlinks are intended for use by the NWAM team. Simlinks are currently in use by the RBridges team to test bridging and the TRILL protocol. As simlinks appear as MAC-level objects they can be used for bridging. Using several point-to-point simlinks testing multiple bridged LANs running the TRILL protocol can be done on a single box. ----------- ------------ --- | RBridge 1 | --- | Rbridge 2 | .... ----------- ------------ red0 and red1, blue0 and blue1 are simlinks. From Scott.Rotondo@Sun.COM Thu Mar 26 16:34:00 2009 Received: from dm-sfbay-01.sfbay.sun.com (dm-sfbay-01.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.118]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n2QNY0tW026573 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:34:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by dm-sfbay-01.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n2QNXxJu045877 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:33:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n2QNXxkU007882 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 23:33:59 GMT MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-5.01 64bit (built Feb 19 2009)) id <0KH400700ZZ72W00@mail-amer.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:33:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [129.146.108.62] ([unknown] [129.146.108.62]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-5.01 64bit (built Feb 19 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0KH500IXV04MACB0@mail-amer.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:33:59 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:33:58 -0700 From: Scott Rotondo Subject: Re: 2009/200 Solaris Simlinks In-reply-to: <18891.60333.748067.933529@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Sender: Scott.Rotondo@Sun.COM To: James Carlson Cc: psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com, Rishi.Srivatsavai@Sun.COM Message-id: <49CC10E6.1040702@sun.com> References: <18891.60333.748067.933529@gargle.gargle.HOWL> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (X11/20080422) Status: RO Content-Length: 744 James Carlson wrote: > I'm sponsoring this fast-track request for Rishi Srivatsavai. The > timer is set to 04/02/2009. > > > This project introduces simlinks with stability level of Uncommitted, > the private data-link properties for simlinks are Project Private and > the release binding is Minor. > > > Simulated links (simlinks) are pseudo GLDv3 network devices that aid in > the creation of point-to-point network links on a system. Simlinks is a really unfortunate name, bound to cause confusion with symlinks (symbolic links). Is this term in common use elsewhere? Scott -- Scott Rotondo Principal Engineer, Solaris Security Technologies President, Trusted Computing Group Phone/FAX: +1 408 850 3655 (Internal x68278) From Artem.Kachitchkin@Sun.COM Thu Mar 26 16:47:15 2009 Received: from dm-sfbay-02.sfbay.sun.com (dm-sfbay-02.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.31]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n2QNlEkO027087 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:47:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (sca-es-mail-1.Sun.COM [192.18.43.132]) by dm-sfbay-02.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n2QNlEjM012343 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:47:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-09.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n2QNl9VJ004651 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:47:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-09.sun.com by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-5.01 64bit (built Feb 19 2009)) id <0KH5005000PY9T00@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:47:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [129.146.104.83] ([unknown] [129.146.104.83]) by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-5.01 64bit (built Feb 19 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0KH5008DR0QLHN60@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:47:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:46:48 -0700 From: Artem Kachitchkine Subject: Re: 2009/200 Solaris Simlinks In-reply-to: <18891.60333.748067.933529@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Sender: Artem.Kachitchkin@Sun.COM To: James Carlson Cc: psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com, Rishi.Srivatsavai@Sun.COM Message-id: <49CC13E8.5060302@sun.com> References: <18891.60333.748067.933529@gargle.gargle.HOWL> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081215) Status: RO Content-Length: 727 > Simulated links (simlinks) are pseudo GLDv3 network devices that aid in > the creation of point-to-point network links on a system. They are > intended to be a testing resource for OpenSolaris developers. Simlinks > should help in developing test suites that can run with minimal network > hardware and test protocols and codepaths that were previously not > possible to test on a single system. Enthusiastic +1 from someone who's been maintaining his own "simlink" driver for some time now, though not as nicely integrated (mine is called "nonet" and is configured via driver.conf properties). There is no mention of zones, which I assume means everything just works, but I'd like to confirm. -Artem From Sebastien.Roy@Sun.COM Thu Mar 26 18:18:29 2009 Received: from dm-sfbay-02.sfbay.sun.com (dm-sfbay-02.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.31]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n2R1ISim000996 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:18:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by dm-sfbay-02.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n2R1ISii058393 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:18:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n2R1ISis010026 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 01:18:28 GMT MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-5.01 64bit (built Feb 19 2009)) id <0KH500H004NTO000@mail-amer.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:18:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.5] ([unknown] [173.76.18.185]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-5.01 64bit (built Feb 19 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0KH500FXT4YR3G90@mail-amer.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:18:28 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:18:26 -0400 From: Sebastien Roy Subject: Re: 2009/200 Solaris Simlinks In-reply-to: <18891.60333.748067.933529@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Sender: Sebastien.Roy@Sun.COM To: James Carlson Cc: psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com, Rishi.Srivatsavai@Sun.COM Message-id: <1238116706.10249.0.camel@seb> Organization: Sun Microsystems X-Mailer: Evolution 2.24.2 References: <18891.60333.748067.933529@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Status: RO Content-Length: 167 On Thu, 2009-03-26 at 16:55 -0400, James Carlson wrote: > I'm sponsoring this fast-track request for Rishi Srivatsavai. The > timer is set to 04/02/2009. +1 -Seb From Rishi.Srivatsavai@Sun.COM Thu Mar 26 20:26:13 2009 Received: from dm-sfbay-02.sfbay.sun.com (dm-sfbay-02.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.31]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n2R3QDwo029000 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:26:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by dm-sfbay-02.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n2R3QDMB044679 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:26:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n2R3QDw0014529 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 03:26:13 GMT MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-5.01 64bit (built Feb 19 2009)) id <0KH500900AREDX00@mail-amer.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:26:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.48.8.59] ([unknown] [209.6.153.50]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-5.01 64bit (built Feb 19 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0KH500AFVAVDML70@mail-amer.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:26:08 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 23:26:07 -0400 From: Rishi Srivatsavai Subject: Re: 2009/200 Solaris Simlinks In-reply-to: <49CC10E6.1040702@sun.com> Sender: Rishi.Srivatsavai@Sun.COM To: Scott Rotondo Cc: James Carlson , psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com Message-id: <49CC474F.4040600@sun.com> References: <18891.60333.748067.933529@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49CC10E6.1040702@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20090211) Status: RO Content-Length: 871 Scott Rotondo wrote: > James Carlson wrote: >> I'm sponsoring this fast-track request for Rishi Srivatsavai. The >> timer is set to 04/02/2009. >> >> >> This project introduces simlinks with stability level of Uncommitted, >> the private data-link properties for simlinks are Project Private and >> the release binding is Minor. >> >> >> Simulated links (simlinks) are pseudo GLDv3 network devices that aid in >> the creation of point-to-point network links on a system. > > Simlinks is a really unfortunate name, bound to cause confusion with > symlinks (symbolic links). Is this term in common use elsewhere? I don't think it is used much elsewhere (our project gate is the 5th result in Google) and I doubt it would cause much confusion given that this is a testing resource. But if it does we can certainly re-visit the choice of name in future. Rishi From Rishi.Srivatsavai@Sun.COM Thu Mar 26 20:29:05 2009 Received: from dm-sfbay-01.sfbay.sun.com (dm-sfbay-01.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.118]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n2R3T5qt029175 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:29:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by dm-sfbay-01.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n2R3T5bo023359 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:29:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n2R3T4ev013644 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 03:29:04 GMT MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-5.01 64bit (built Feb 19 2009)) id <0KH500K00AYIKW00@mail-amer.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:29:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.48.8.59] ([unknown] [209.6.153.50]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-5.01 64bit (built Feb 19 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0KH500BXMB0CEZ20@mail-amer.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:29:01 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 23:29:07 -0400 From: Rishi Srivatsavai Subject: Re: 2009/200 Solaris Simlinks In-reply-to: <49CC13E8.5060302@sun.com> Sender: Rishi.Srivatsavai@Sun.COM To: Artem Kachitchkine Cc: James Carlson , psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com Message-id: <49CC4803.6060709@sun.com> References: <18891.60333.748067.933529@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49CC13E8.5060302@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20090211) Status: RO Content-Length: 852 Artem Kachitchkine wrote: >> Simulated links (simlinks) are pseudo GLDv3 network devices that aid in >> the creation of point-to-point network links on a system. They are >> intended to be a testing resource for OpenSolaris developers. Simlinks >> should help in developing test suites that can run with minimal network >> hardware and test protocols and codepaths that were previously not >> possible to test on a single system. > > Enthusiastic +1 from someone who's been maintaining his own "simlink" > driver for some time now, though not as nicely integrated (mine is > called "nonet" and is configured via driver.conf properties). > > There is no mention of zones, which I assume means everything just > works, but I'd like to confirm. Yes, simlinks appear as physical network devices and can be assigned to zones. Rishi From Scott.Rotondo@Sun.COM Thu Mar 26 21:24:26 2009 Received: from dm-sfbay-02.sfbay.sun.com (dm-sfbay-02.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.31]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n2R4OQeT001268 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:24:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by dm-sfbay-02.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n2R4OQij001287 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:24:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n2R4OQTD027946 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 04:24:26 GMT MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-5.01 64bit (built Feb 19 2009)) id <0KH500E00DBJC900@mail-amer.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 22:24:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from viaggio.local ([unknown] [69.226.227.29]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-5.01 64bit (built Feb 19 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0KH500A2QDK7MLG0@mail-amer.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 22:24:08 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:24:09 -0700 From: Scott Rotondo Subject: Re: 2009/200 Solaris Simlinks In-reply-to: <49CC474F.4040600@sun.com> Sender: Scott.Rotondo@Sun.COM To: Rishi Srivatsavai Cc: James Carlson , psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com Message-id: <49CC54E9.5010307@sun.com> References: <18891.60333.748067.933529@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49CC10E6.1040702@sun.com> <49CC474F.4040600@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) Status: RO Content-Length: 739 Rishi Srivatsavai wrote: > Scott Rotondo wrote: >> Simlinks is a really unfortunate name, bound to cause confusion with >> symlinks (symbolic links). Is this term in common use elsewhere? > > I don't think it is used much elsewhere (our project gate is the 5th result > in Google) and I doubt it would cause much confusion given that this > is a testing resource. But if it does we can certainly re-visit the > choice of name in future. In that case, I think you'd be doing your future users a favor if you pick a different name: emlinks, pseudolinks, simulinks, ... whatever. Scott -- Scott Rotondo Principal Engineer, Solaris Security Technologies President, Trusted Computing Group Phone/FAX: +1 408 850 3655 (Internal x68278) From peter.memishian@sun.com Thu Mar 26 23:55:07 2009 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n2R6t7RJ007581 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 23:55:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n2R6t1Dn008571 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:psarc-ext@sun.com>; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 23:55:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KH500E0RKJTDL00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-ext@sun.com); Fri, 27 Mar 2009 00:55:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dm-eng-02.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.11.32]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KH500K7NKJQJ190@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-ext@sun.com); Fri, 27 Mar 2009 00:55:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from triplex.eng.sun.com (triplex.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.108.208]) by dm-eng-02.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n2R6t237057942 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 23:55:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from triplex.eng.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1] (may be forged)) by triplex.eng.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n2R6t2Bl014368 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 23:55:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from meem@localhost) by triplex.eng.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3/Submit) id n2R6t2Mx014365; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 23:55:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 23:55:02 -0700 From: Peter Memishian Subject: re: 2009/200 Solaris Simlinks To: psarc-ext@sun.com Reply-to: peter.memishian@sun.com Message-id: <18892.30790.323764.76854@gargle.gargle.HOWL> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under 21.4 (patch 21) "Educational Television" XEmacs Lucid Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 X-Authentication-warning: triplex.eng.sun.com: meem set sender to peter.memishian@sun.com using -f Status: RO Content-Length: 331 FWIW, I have to agree with Scott on this one (and I'd earlier made a similar comment). Everyone seems to agree this is project is a great idea, and I've little doubt it will be widely used -- so why saddle it with a name that is a homonym of one of the most basic Unix concepts? Even "simulink" would be worlds better. -- meem From Joerg.Schilling9ab33xy531fokus.fraunhofer.de@bounce.antispameurope.de Fri Mar 27 02:02:50 2009 Received: from dm-sfbay-01.sfbay.sun.com (dm-sfbay-01.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.118]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n2R92ocT007170 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 02:02:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sca-ea-mail-4.sun.com (sca-ea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.43.22]) by dm-sfbay-01.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n2R92nV1033409 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 02:02:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay14i.sun.com (ip124.net129179-4.block1.us.syntegra.com [129.179.4.124]) by sca-ea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n2R8w0qT005292 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:02:49 GMT Received: from mmp14es.mmp.us.syntegra.com ([160.41.208.14] [160.41.208.14]) by relay14i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-3231024 for psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:02:49 Z Received: from relay13i.sun.com (relay13i.sun.com [129.179.4.123]) by mmp14es.mmp.us.syntegra.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-299418 for psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:02:48 Z Received: from relay03-haj2.antispameurope.de ([83.246.65.53] [83.246.65.53]) by relay1i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-42325370 for psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:02:48 Z Received: by relay03-haj2.antispameurope.de (ASE-Secure-MTA, from userid 1000) id B915B63C0C5; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:02:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de [195.37.77.164]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by relay03-haj2.antispameurope.de (ASE-Secure-MTA) with ESMTP id 34B8E63C03F; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:02:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de (bohr [10.147.9.231]) by pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (8.13.7/8.13.7) with SMTP id n2R8x1W7029846; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:59:01 +0100 (MET) Received: from rigel ([10.147.65.195]) by EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:59:01 +0100 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:59:01 +0100 From: Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) To: psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com, james.d.carlson@sun.com Cc: Rishi.Srivatsavai@sun.com Subject: Re: 2009/200 Solaris Simlinks Message-ID: <49cc9555.rVoYEi5TohZdve5O%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> References: <18891.60333.748067.933529@gargle.gargle.HOWL> In-Reply-To: <18891.60333.748067.933529@gargle.gargle.HOWL> User-Agent: nail 11.22 3/20/05 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Mar 2009 08:59:01.0867 (UTC) FILETIME=[460543B0:01C9AEBA] X-Antispam: No, score=0.0/5.0, scanned in 0.471sec at (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smf-spamd v1.3.1 - http://smfs.sf.net/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: Joerg.Schilling9ab33xy531fokus.fraunhofer.de@bounce.antispameurope.de Status: RO Content-Length: 565 James Carlson wrote: > Simulated links (simlinks) are pseudo GLDv3 network devices that aid in > the creation of point-to-point network links on a system. They are Please do not naming cause confusion and rather call it "simulinks". Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) joerg.schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From Darren.Moffat@Sun.COM Fri Mar 27 03:14:28 2009 Received: from dm-sfbay-01.sfbay.sun.com (dm-sfbay-01.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.118]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n2RAERV5012864 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 03:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gmp-eb-inf-2.sun.com (gmp-eb-inf-2.EU.Sun.COM [192.18.6.24]) by dm-sfbay-01.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n2RAERK5063188 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 03:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-emea-10.sun.com (gmp-eb-lb-1-fe3.eu.sun.com [192.18.6.10]) by gmp-eb-inf-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n2RAELsv016154 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:14:21 GMT MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-emea-10.sun.com by fe-emea-10.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-5.01 64bit (built Feb 19 2009)) id <0KH500B00T4R4X00@fe-emea-10.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:14:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.1.104] (cpc2-rdng20-2-0-cust917.15-3.cable.virginmedia.com [86.28.167.150]) by fe-emea-10.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-5.01 64bit (built Feb 19 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0KH5009OZTRHC220@fe-emea-10.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:14:06 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:14:05 +0000 From: Darren J Moffat Subject: Re: 2009/200 Solaris Simlinks In-reply-to: <18891.60333.748067.933529@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Sender: Darren.Moffat@Sun.COM To: James Carlson Cc: psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com, Rishi.Srivatsavai@Sun.COM Message-id: <49CCA6ED.40807@Sun.COM> References: <18891.60333.748067.933529@gargle.gargle.HOWL> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20090211) Status: RO Content-Length: 296 I can see the huge value of this in testing. Are there other uses for it maybe in combination with vnics and etherstubs ? What package is this delivered in ? Is there any reason why it would be unsafe to have the driver for these simulated links on a production system ? -- Darren J Moffat From Rishi.Srivatsavai@Sun.COM Fri Mar 27 05:59:05 2009 Received: from dm-sfbay-01.sfbay.sun.com (dm-sfbay-01.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.118]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n2RCx5dg018038 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 05:59:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com (brmea-mail-1.Sun.COM [192.18.98.31]) by dm-sfbay-01.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n2RCx4X5001261 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 05:59:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n2RCx4kl004360 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:59:04 GMT MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-5.01 64bit (built Feb 19 2009)) id <0KH600K001CN8V00@mail-amer.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 06:59:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.48.8.59] ([unknown] [209.6.153.50]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-5.01 64bit (built Feb 19 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0KH6008C01EB1840@mail-amer.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 06:59:04 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 08:59:06 -0400 From: Rishi Srivatsavai Subject: Re: 2009/200 Solaris Simlinks In-reply-to: <49CCA6ED.40807@Sun.COM> Sender: Rishi.Srivatsavai@Sun.COM To: Darren J Moffat Cc: James Carlson , psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com Message-id: <49CCCD9A.5070806@sun.com> References: <18891.60333.748067.933529@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49CCA6ED.40807@Sun.COM> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20090211) Status: RO Content-Length: 595 Darren J Moffat wrote: > I can see the huge value of this in testing. Are there other uses for > it maybe in combination with vnics and etherstubs ? vnics can be created over simlinks but I am not aware of other uses with etherstubs. > What package is this delivered in ? New simlink files will be delivered in SUNWckr. > Is there any reason why it would be unsafe to have the driver for these > simulated links on a production system ? It is safe to use on production systems but we don't expect it to be used much on production as there are no known use cases for it yet there. Rishi From carlsonj@phorcys.east.sun.com Fri Mar 27 06:24:47 2009 Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (phorcys.East.Sun.COM [129.148.174.143]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n2RDOkS0021803 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 06:24:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (phorcys.local [127.0.0.1]) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n2RDOV3A004317; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:24:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from carlsonj@localhost) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3/Submit) id n2RDOVoe004314; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:24:31 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18892.54159.81352.805151@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:24:31 -0400 From: James Carlson To: Scott Rotondo , Rishi Srivatsavai Cc: psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com, Darren J Moffat Subject: Re: 2009/200 Solaris Simlinks In-Reply-To: <49CC54E9.5010307@sun.com> References: <18891.60333.748067.933529@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49CCA6ED.40807@Sun.COM> <49CCCD9A.5070806@sun.com> <49CC10E6.1040702@sun.com> <49CC474F.4040600@sun.com> <49CC54E9.5010307@sun.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.01 under Emacs 21.3.1 Status: RO Content-Length: 2141 Scott Rotondo writes: > Rishi Srivatsavai wrote: > > I don't think it is used much elsewhere (our project gate is the 5th result > > in Google) and I doubt it would cause much confusion given that this > > is a testing resource. But if it does we can certainly re-visit the > > choice of name in future. > > In that case, I think you'd be doing your future users a favor if you > pick a different name: emlinks, pseudolinks, simulinks, ... whatever. I think y'all have seriously lost your sense of humor. :-/ I happen to think simlink is a good name, as it's *clear* from the context that this can't possibly be the same thing as "ln -s" (I can't see how anyone could be confused), and it's both memorable and evocative. But, frankly, I don't think the argument is worth a tinker's (or hacker's) damn. If you absolutely insist that it's unacceptable with the name chosen by the project team, then please provide one that isn't either ungainly to use (pseudolinks) or burdened with a tin ear (emlinks). (Jury's out on simulinks ... it makes me think that Major League Baseball is going to prohibit use without their express written consent.) Rishi Srivatsavai writes: > > Is there any reason why it would be unsafe to have the driver for these > > simulated links on a production system ? > > It is safe to use on production systems but we don't expect it to be > used much on production as there are no known use cases for it yet there. To answer that question a little more directly: the harm that they would presently cause is confusion. "When do I use etherstub and when do I use simlink?" Burying them for now solves that problem. I think the right longer term answer may well be to remove etherstubs and replace them with single-ended simlinks, as the latter are more functional (e.g., you can bind a SAP on the base instance of a simlink, but not on an etherstub). But that's not this project. -- James Carlson, Solaris Networking Sun Microsystems / 35 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677 From Artem.Kachitchkin@sun.com Fri Mar 27 08:40:50 2009 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n2RFeo07022454 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 08:40:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n2RFel4c028186 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:psarc-ext@sun.com>; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 08:40:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KH600G4F8W15L00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-ext@sun.com); Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:40:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.43.133]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KH600DML8W0TK10@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-ext@sun.com); Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:40:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-09.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n2RFemcS015314 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 08:40:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-09.sun.com by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-5.01 64bit (built Feb 19 2009)) id <0KH600B008L6DY00@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-ext@sun.com); Fri, 27 Mar 2009 08:40:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([unknown] [75.6.230.171]) by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-5.01 64bit (built Feb 19 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0KH6001N38VWNYC0@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-ext@sun.com); Fri, 27 Mar 2009 08:40:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 08:40:41 -0700 From: Artem Kachitchkine Subject: Re: 2009/200 Solaris Simlinks In-reply-to: <18892.30790.323764.76854@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Sender: Artem.Kachitchkin@sun.com To: Peter.Memishian@sun.com Cc: psarc-ext@sun.com Message-id: <49CCF379.4010608@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <18892.30790.323764.76854@gargle.gargle.HOWL> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 Gecko/20040113 Status: RO Content-Length: 484 Peter Memishian wrote: > FWIW, I have to agree with Scott on this one (and I'd earlier made a > similar comment). Everyone seems to agree this is project is a great > idea, and I've little doubt it will be widely used -- so why saddle it > with a name that is a homonym of one of the most basic Unix concepts? > Even "simulink" would be worlds better. > Not sure if it matters, since we're not naming a product here, but "Simulink" is a registered trademark of MathWorks. -Artem From gdamore@sun.com Fri Mar 27 08:52:28 2009 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n2RFqSaR023599 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 08:52:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n2RFqPRK004070 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:psarc-ext@sun.com>; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 08:52:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KH600D0H9FEO400@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-ext@sun.com); Fri, 27 Mar 2009 08:52:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.43.133]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KH6009B19FDI780@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-ext@sun.com); Fri, 27 Mar 2009 08:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n2RFqPVG016561 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 08:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-5.01 64bit (built Feb 19 2009)) id <0KH6009008WAB200@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-ext@sun.com); Fri, 27 Mar 2009 08:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.251.11] ([unknown] [76.93.15.33]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-5.01 64bit (built Feb 19 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0KH600L3K9F7HC10@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-ext@sun.com); Fri, 27 Mar 2009 08:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 08:52:19 -0700 From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: Re: 2009/200 Solaris Simlinks In-reply-to: <49CCF379.4010608@sun.com> Sender: Garrett.Damore@sun.com To: Artem Kachitchkine Cc: Peter.Memishian@sun.com, psarc-ext@sun.com Message-id: <49CCF633.4040607@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <18892.30790.323764.76854@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49CCF379.4010608@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081201) Status: RO Content-Length: 893 Artem Kachitchkine wrote: > Peter Memishian wrote: >> FWIW, I have to agree with Scott on this one (and I'd earlier made a >> similar comment). Everyone seems to agree this is project is a great >> idea, and I've little doubt it will be widely used -- so why saddle it >> with a name that is a homonym of one of the most basic Unix concepts? >> Even "simulink" would be worlds better. >> > > Not sure if it matters, since we're not naming a product here, but > "Simulink" is a registered trademark of MathWorks. > > -Artem Other options (P = pseudo, M = "meta"): mnet mlink pnet plink pmac The first one, "mnet" was once upon a time (Solaris 2.4 thru Solaris 8) used for the "Alternate Pathing" meta network driver, used to support RAS features on high end systems of the day such as the Enterprise 10000. It was replaced by IPMP, and later, aggr. -- Garrett From Neal.Pollack@sun.com Fri Mar 27 09:06:12 2009 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n2RG6CU3025201 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:06:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n2RG6B4Q000167 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:psarc-ext@sun.com>; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:06:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KH600B05A2AFG00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for psarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-ext@sun.com); Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:06:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.43.132]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KH6006OHA27MV20@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for psarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-ext@sun.com); Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:06:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n2RG67FQ023216 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:06:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-5.01 64bit (built Feb 19 2009)) id <0KH6006009LRS000@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-ext@sun.com); Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:06:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.151] ([unknown] [71.254.187.14]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-5.01 64bit (built Feb 19 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0KH600LR3A26HC70@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-ext@sun.com); Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:06:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:06:14 -0700 From: Neal Pollack Subject: Re: 2009/200 Solaris Simlinks In-reply-to: <49CCF633.4040607@sun.com> Sender: Neal.Pollack@sun.com To: "Garrett D'Amore" Cc: Artem Kachitchkine , Peter.Memishian@sun.com, psarc-ext@sun.com Message-id: <49CD0786.6070704@Sun.COM> Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc. MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <18892.30790.323764.76854@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49CCF379.4010608@sun.com> <49CCF633.4040607@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20090211) Status: RO Content-Length: 982 Garrett D'Amore wrote: > Artem Kachitchkine wrote: >> Peter Memishian wrote: >>> FWIW, I have to agree with Scott on this one (and I'd earlier made a >>> similar comment). Everyone seems to agree this is project is a great >>> idea, and I've little doubt it will be widely used -- so why saddle it >>> with a name that is a homonym of one of the most basic Unix concepts? >>> Even "simulink" would be worlds better. >>> >> >> Not sure if it matters, since we're not naming a product here, but >> "Simulink" is a registered trademark of MathWorks. >> >> -Artem > > Other options (P = pseudo, M = "meta"): > > mnet > mlink > pnet > plink > pmac vlink === virtual link > > The first one, "mnet" was once upon a time (Solaris 2.4 thru Solaris 8) > used for the "Alternate Pathing" meta network driver, used to support > RAS features on high end systems of the day such as the Enterprise > 10000. It was replaced by IPMP, and later, aggr. > > -- Garrett From Michael.Schuster@Sun.COM Fri Mar 27 09:06:23 2009 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n2RG6N4g025215 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:06:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n2RG6JgY000357 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:psarc-ext@sun.com>; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:06:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KH600I0TA2MFW00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-ext@sun.com); Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:06:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.43.133]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KH600DM7A2LTE30@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-ext@sun.com); Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:06:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-09.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n2RG6Lix018420 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:06:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-09.sun.com by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-5.01 64bit (built Feb 19 2009)) id <0KH6005009SSXA00@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-ext@sun.com); Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:06:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [129.146.106.37] ([unknown] [129.146.106.37]) by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-5.01 64bit (built Feb 19 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0KH6001F2A2E8Y90@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-ext@sun.com); Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:06:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:06:43 -0700 From: Michael Schuster Subject: Re: 2009/200 Solaris Simlinks In-reply-to: <49CCF633.4040607@sun.com> Sender: Michael.Schuster@Sun.COM To: "Garrett D'Amore" Cc: Artem Kachitchkine , Peter.Memishian@Sun.COM, psarc-ext@Sun.COM Message-id: <49CCF993.9000804@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <18892.30790.323764.76854@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49CCF379.4010608@sun.com> <49CCF633.4040607@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20090112) Status: RO Content-Length: 610 On 03/27/09 08:52, Garrett D'Amore wrote: > Other options (P = pseudo, M = "meta"): > > mnet > mlink > pnet > plink > pmac > > The first one, "mnet" was once upon a time (Solaris 2.4 thru Solaris 8) > used for the "Alternate Pathing" meta network driver, used to support > RAS features on high end systems of the day such as the Enterprise > 10000. It was replaced by IPMP, and later, aggr. I think the "p" could be confused for meaning "physical" ... definitely not what's intended, I think. Michael -- Michael Schuster http://blogs.sun.com/recursion Recursion, n.: see 'Recursion' From carlsonj@phorcys.east.sun.com Fri Mar 27 09:13:30 2009 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n2RGDUhr026488 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:13:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n2RGDTMN004760; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:13:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KH600E03AEGQZ00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:13:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com ([129.148.174.143]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KH600917AEFI1C0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:13:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (phorcys.local [127.0.0.1]) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n2RGDC3a005017; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:13:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from carlsonj@localhost) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3/Submit) id n2RGDC31005014; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:13:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:13:12 -0400 From: James Carlson Subject: Re: 2009/200 Solaris Simlinks In-reply-to: <49CD0786.6070704@Sun.COM> To: Neal Pollack Cc: "Garrett D'Amore" , Artem Kachitchkine , Peter.Memishian@sun.com, psarc-ext@sun.com Message-id: <18892.64280.870606.185001@gargle.gargle.HOWL> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VM 7.01 under Emacs 21.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <18892.30790.323764.76854@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49CCF379.4010608@sun.com> <49CCF633.4040607@sun.com> <49CD0786.6070704@Sun.COM> Status: RO Content-Length: 459 Neal Pollack writes: > vlink === virtual link That's right out. These are actual "physical" NIC instances, unlike VNICs. It would be horrible to have "vlinks" that actually behave like NICs and "vnics" that behave only like links! -- James Carlson, Solaris Networking Sun Microsystems / 35 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677 From casper@holland.sun.com Fri Mar 27 09:15:42 2009 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n2RGFgED026776 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:15:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n2RGFchu065315; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:15:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KH600C05AI2I200@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:15:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm-holland-02.uk.sun.com ([129.156.101.225]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KH6006KOAI1MV30@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:15:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from holland (room101.Holland.Sun.COM [10.16.117.40]) by dm-holland-02.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n2RGFZpa039058; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:15:35 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:15:35 +0100 From: Casper.Dik@sun.com Subject: Re: 2009/200 Solaris Simlinks In-reply-to: <49CCF633.4040607@sun.com> Sender: casper@holland.sun.com To: "Garrett D'Amore" Cc: Artem Kachitchkine , Peter.Memishian@sun.com, psarc-ext@sun.com Message-id: <200903271615.n2RGFZpa039058@dm-holland-02.uk.sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <18892.30790.323764.76854@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49CCF379.4010608@sun.com> <49CCF633.4040607@sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 692 >Artem Kachitchkine wrote: >> Peter Memishian wrote: >>> FWIW, I have to agree with Scott on this one (and I'd earlier made a >>> similar comment). Everyone seems to agree this is project is a great >>> idea, and I've little doubt it will be widely used -- so why saddle it >>> with a name that is a homonym of one of the most basic Unix concepts? >>> Even "simulink" would be worlds better. >>> >> >> Not sure if it matters, since we're not naming a product here, but >> "Simulink" is a registered trademark of MathWorks. >> >> -Artem > >Other options (P = pseudo, M = "meta"): > > mnet > mlink > pnet Used here: platform/SUNW,Ultra-4FT/kernel/drv/pnet (Solaris 2.6) Casper From casper@holland.sun.com Fri Mar 27 09:16:52 2009 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n2RGGqY8026889 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:16:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n2RGGn6V000748; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:16:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KH600E05AK2WZ00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:16:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm-holland-02.uk.sun.com ([129.156.101.225]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KH6009PIAK0I3A0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:16:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from holland (room101.Holland.Sun.COM [10.16.117.40]) by dm-holland-02.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n2RGGkhj039407; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:16:46 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:16:46 +0100 From: Casper.Dik@sun.com Subject: Re: 2009/200 Solaris Simlinks In-reply-to: <49CD0786.6070704@Sun.COM> Sender: casper@holland.sun.com To: Neal Pollack Cc: "Garrett D'Amore" , Artem Kachitchkine , Peter.Memishian@sun.com, psarc-ext@sun.com Message-id: <200903271616.n2RGGkhj039407@dm-holland-02.uk.sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <18892.30790.323764.76854@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49CCF379.4010608@sun.com> <49CCF633.4040607@sun.com> <49CD0786.6070704@Sun.COM> Status: RO Content-Length: 760 >Garrett D'Amore wrote: >> Artem Kachitchkine wrote: >>> Peter Memishian wrote: >>>> FWIW, I have to agree with Scott on this one (and I'd earlier made a >>>> similar comment). Everyone seems to agree this is project is a great >>>> idea, and I've little doubt it will be widely used -- so why saddle it >>>> with a name that is a homonym of one of the most basic Unix concepts? >>>> Even "simulink" would be worlds better. >>>> >>> >>> Not sure if it matters, since we're not naming a product here, but >>> "Simulink" is a registered trademark of MathWorks. >>> >>> -Artem >> >> Other options (P = pseudo, M = "meta"): >> >> mnet >> mlink >> pnet >> plink >> pmac > >vlink === virtual link I like it: vnic, vlink. +1 for vlink Casper From Andrew.Gabriel@Sun.COM Fri Mar 27 09:24:16 2009 Received: from dm-sfbay-02.sfbay.sun.com (dm-sfbay-02.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.31]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n2RGOGTO028062 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:24:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gmp-eb-inf-1.sun.com (gmp-eb-inf-1.EU.Sun.COM [192.18.6.21]) by dm-sfbay-02.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n2RGOFOC008278 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:24:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-emea-09.sun.com (gmp-eb-lb-1-fe3.eu.sun.com [192.18.6.10]) by gmp-eb-inf-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n2RGOAA9017400 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:24:10 GMT MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-emea-09.sun.com by fe-emea-09.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-5.01 64bit (built Feb 19 2009)) id <0KH600K00AO46W00@fe-emea-09.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:24:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [81.187.162.109] ([unknown] [81.187.162.109]) by fe-emea-09.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-5.01 64bit (built Feb 19 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0KH6003XPAW7PYE0@fe-emea-09.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:24:07 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:25:06 +0000 From: Andrew Gabriel Subject: Re: 2009/200 Solaris Simlinks In-reply-to: <18891.60333.748067.933529@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Sender: Andrew.Gabriel@Sun.COM To: James Carlson Cc: psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com, Rishi.Srivatsavai@Sun.COM Message-id: <49CCFDE2.9060505@sun.com> References: <18891.60333.748067.933529@gargle.gargle.HOWL> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20090209) Status: RO Content-Length: 1062 James Carlson wrote: > I'm sponsoring this fast-track request for Rishi Srivatsavai. The > timer is set to 04/02/2009. > > > This project introduces simlinks with stability level of Uncommitted, > the private data-link properties for simlinks are Project Private and > the release binding is Minor. Maybe doesn't much help this case, but I'll just mention that back in Solaris 2.5 era, I used to create a DLPI provider as a user-land process, which I plumbed by means of creating a pipe and plumbing one side of it under IP. Then you see all the DLPI primitives on the other side of the pipe, and can generate appropriate DLPI replies. You ended up with a funny link name which i can't now recall, but otherwise it seemed to worked fine. (It was mainly used in my case for a test suite for ISO TP4 over ethernet, rather than IP.) It may well be that with various revamps of network drivers/stacks since Solaris 2.5, this is no longer works, or is not useful for the purpose you intend, but I mention it on the off-chance it might be. -- Andrew From carlsonj@phorcys.east.sun.com Fri Mar 27 09:40:25 2009 Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (phorcys.East.Sun.COM [129.148.174.143]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n2RGeO4c000253 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:40:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (phorcys.local [127.0.0.1]) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n2RGe9YD005288; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:40:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from carlsonj@localhost) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3/Submit) id n2RGe9p0005285; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:40:09 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18893.361.698249.435163@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:40:09 -0400 From: James Carlson To: Andrew Gabriel Cc: psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com, Rishi.Srivatsavai@sun.com Subject: Re: 2009/200 Solaris Simlinks In-Reply-To: <49CCFDE2.9060505@sun.com> References: <18891.60333.748067.933529@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49CCFDE2.9060505@sun.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.01 under Emacs 21.3.1 Status: RO Content-Length: 1121 Andrew Gabriel writes: > Maybe doesn't much help this case, but I'll just mention that back in > Solaris 2.5 era, I used to create a DLPI provider as a user-land > process, which I plumbed by means of creating a pipe and plumbing one > side of it under IP. Then you see all the DLPI primitives on the other > side of the pipe, and can generate appropriate DLPI replies. You ended > up with a funny link name which i can't now recall, but otherwise it > seemed to worked fine. (It was mainly used in my case for a test suite > for ISO TP4 over ethernet, rather than IP.) > > It may well be that with various revamps of network drivers/stacks since > Solaris 2.5, this is no longer works, or is not useful for the purpose > you intend, but I mention it on the off-chance it might be. That should still sort-of work, but it falls apart if you want to have any of the new ioctls supported. -- James Carlson, Solaris Networking Sun Microsystems / 35 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677 From peter.memishian@sun.com Fri Mar 27 09:54:47 2009 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n2RGsk1H002143 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:54:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n2RGsiTd026124; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:54:44 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KH600H03CB73Z00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:54:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm-eng-02.sfbay.sun.com ([129.146.11.32]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KH6006KBCB7MS60@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:54:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from triplex.eng.sun.com (triplex.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.108.208]) by dm-eng-02.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n2RGshNq032005; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:54:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from triplex.eng.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1] (may be forged)) by triplex.eng.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n2RGsh2e015440; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:54:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from meem@localhost) by triplex.eng.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3/Submit) id n2RGsgKu015437; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:54:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:54:42 -0700 From: Peter Memishian Subject: Re: 2009/200 Solaris Simlinks In-reply-to: <18892.64280.870606.185001@gargle.gargle.HOWL> To: James Carlson Cc: Neal Pollack , "Garrett D'Amore" , Artem Kachitchkine , peter.memishian@sun.com, psarc-ext@sun.com Reply-to: peter.memishian@sun.com Message-id: <18893.1234.823243.670730@gargle.gargle.HOWL> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under 21.4 (patch 21) "Educational Television" XEmacs Lucid Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <18892.30790.323764.76854@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49CCF379.4010608@sun.com> <49CCF633.4040607@sun.com> <49CD0786.6070704@Sun.COM> <18892.64280.870606.185001@gargle.gargle.HOWL> X-Authentication-warning: triplex.eng.sun.com: meem set sender to peter.memishian@sun.com using -f Status: RO Content-Length: 486 > > vlink === virtual link > > That's right out. These are actual "physical" NIC instances, unlike > VNICs. > > It would be horrible to have "vlinks" that actually behave like NICs > and "vnics" that behave only like links! Agreed; vlink would be highly problematic. We seem to be doing a good job coming up with names that we definitely shouldn't use :-) I still hope Rishi can put forth a new name for these handy objects. (Naming is hard -- but important.) -- meem From carlsonj@phorcys.east.sun.com Fri Mar 27 09:56:55 2009 Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (phorcys.East.Sun.COM [129.148.174.143]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n2RGut0f002406 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:56:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (phorcys.local [127.0.0.1]) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n2RGBg02005007; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from carlsonj@localhost) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3/Submit) id n2RGBg40005004; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:11:42 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18892.64190.172792.192431@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:11:42 -0400 From: James Carlson To: Neal Pollack Cc: Joerg Schilling , psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com, Rishi.Srivatsavai@sun.com Subject: Re: 2009/200 Solaris Simlinks In-Reply-To: <49CD0403.60600@Sun.COM> References: <18891.60333.748067.933529@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49cc9555.rVoYEi5TohZdve5O%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <49CD0403.60600@Sun.COM> X-Mailer: VM 7.01 under Emacs 21.3.1 Status: RO Content-Length: 973 Neal Pollack writes: > Calling it "simlinks" will, guaranteed, cause some level of confusion. > You reall want to make it easy for your new customers, not confuse them. > Find a better name, PLEASE. It's extraordinarily disappointing to me that the discussion here has been on the name alone, rather than something more substantive, such as the APIs and behaviors that would (one day) be needed to emulate a wireless AP. If the folks so desperately upset by this can come up with a name that isn't either someone else's trademark or otherwise unusably bad, please do, and we'll consider it. (I think the idea that the name will be confusing is risible. On what planet does the dladm command line have anything to do with file system semantics?) -- James Carlson, Solaris Networking Sun Microsystems / 35 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677 From gdamore@sun.com Fri Mar 27 10:05:28 2009 Received: from dm-sfbay-01.sfbay.sun.com (dm-sfbay-01.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.118]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n2RH5SE6002978 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:05:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (sca-es-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.43.133]) by dm-sfbay-01.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n2RH5RjD031503 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:05:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n2RH5MCK026447 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:05:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-5.01 64bit (built Feb 19 2009)) id <0KH600D00C86TL00@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:05:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.251.11] ([unknown] [76.93.15.33]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-5.01 64bit (built Feb 19 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0KH6005TDCSOT8E0@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:05:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:05:12 -0700 From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: Re: 2009/200 Solaris Simlinks In-reply-to: <18892.64190.172792.192431@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Sender: Garrett.Damore@sun.com To: James Carlson Cc: Neal Pollack , Joerg Schilling , psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com, Rishi.Srivatsavai@sun.com Message-id: <49CD0748.3040107@sun.com> References: <18891.60333.748067.933529@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49cc9555.rVoYEi5TohZdve5O%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <49CD0403.60600@Sun.COM> <18892.64190.172792.192431@gargle.gargle.HOWL> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081201) Status: RO Content-Length: 1686 James Carlson wrote: > Neal Pollack writes: > >> Calling it "simlinks" will, guaranteed, cause some level of confusion. >> You reall want to make it easy for your new customers, not confuse them. >> Find a better name, PLEASE. >> > > It's extraordinarily disappointing to me that the discussion here has > been on the name alone, rather than something more substantive, such > as the APIs and behaviors that would (one day) be needed to emulate a > wireless AP. > > If the folks so desperately upset by this can come up with a name that > isn't either someone else's trademark or otherwise unusably bad, > please do, and we'll consider it. > > (I think the idea that the name will be confusing is risible. On what > planet does the dladm command line have anything to do with file > system semantics?) > > When you use it in a sentence, like this "make a symlink[sic] from ce0".... some poor fool is not going to understand what it means. Yes, technically the context *ought* to be enough. But I think enough people have weighed in here to indicate that its likely going to be a decision that once made will someday be regretted. Yes, its unfortunate that we're bikeshedding. But names can also be important. (How many times have I seen you bemoan the name a certain driver used for Intel gigabit ethernet? ;-) But IMO its a sign of goodness -- your proposal looks good. And you've shut down any of the IMO more interesting conversation by stating that a lot of the future ideas (such as replacing etherstub with this) are "not this project". If you have specific things that you'd like to discuss, maybe you should ask those questions. -- Garrett From Scott.Rotondo@Sun.COM Fri Mar 27 10:06:39 2009 Received: from dm-sfbay-02.sfbay.sun.com (dm-sfbay-02.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.31]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n2RH6dus003119 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:06:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by dm-sfbay-02.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n2RH6diL042341 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:06:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n2RH6deG019038 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:06:39 GMT MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-5.01 64bit (built Feb 19 2009)) id <0KH600J00CH03P00@mail-amer.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:06:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [129.146.108.62] ([unknown] [129.146.108.62]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-5.01 64bit (built Feb 19 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0KH600M4CCUXSOB0@mail-amer.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:06:33 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:06:32 -0700 From: Scott Rotondo Subject: Re: 2009/200 Solaris Simlinks In-reply-to: <18892.54159.81352.805151@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Sender: Scott.Rotondo@Sun.COM To: James Carlson Cc: Rishi Srivatsavai , psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com, Darren J Moffat Message-id: <49CD0798.7000900@sun.com> References: <18891.60333.748067.933529@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49CCA6ED.40807@Sun.COM> <49CCCD9A.5070806@sun.com> <49CC10E6.1040702@sun.com> <49CC474F.4040600@sun.com> <49CC54E9.5010307@sun.com> <18892.54159.81352.805151@gargle.gargle.HOWL> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (X11/20080422) Status: RO Content-Length: 2140 James Carlson wrote: > Scott Rotondo writes: >> Rishi Srivatsavai wrote: >>> I don't think it is used much elsewhere (our project gate is the 5th result >>> in Google) and I doubt it would cause much confusion given that this >>> is a testing resource. But if it does we can certainly re-visit the >>> choice of name in future. >> In that case, I think you'd be doing your future users a favor if you >> pick a different name: emlinks, pseudolinks, simulinks, ... whatever. > > I think y'all have seriously lost your sense of humor. :-/ > > I happen to think simlink is a good name, as it's *clear* from the > context that this can't possibly be the same thing as "ln -s" (I can't > see how anyone could be confused), and it's both memorable and > evocative. If you know the context, it's clear. My day-to-day experience is that I frequently have conversations where not everyone has perfect context. I'm imagining this kind of exchange: A: I was testing NFS over [insert arcane networking feature]. I copied a few GB just fine, and then I hit an assertion failure. B: Were you using simlinks? A: No, just regular files. Why would that matter? B: I mean the network interface. A: No, it's a regular device node. [pause] Wait a minute, you're right. The /dev entry is a symlink to something in /devices. I never noticed that before. What do I do about that? ... and so on until enlightenment occurs. > > But, frankly, I don't think the argument is worth a tinker's (or > hacker's) damn. If you absolutely insist that it's unacceptable with > the name chosen by the project team, then please provide one that > isn't either ungainly to use (pseudolinks) or burdened with a tin ear > (emlinks). (Jury's out on simulinks ... it makes me think that Major > League Baseball is going to prohibit use without their express written > consent.) I didn't absolutely insist, I just made a suggestion. Personally, I think simulinks and emulinks are both fine replacements. Scott -- Scott Rotondo Principal Engineer, Solaris Security Technologies President, Trusted Computing Group Phone/FAX: +1 408 850 3655 (Internal x68278) From Artem.Kachitchkin@sun.com Fri Mar 27 10:22:42 2009 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n2RHMg7G004510 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:22:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n2RHMf22020842 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:psarc-ext@sun.com>; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:22:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KH600213DLTS500@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-ext@sun.com); Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:22:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.43.133]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KH600DF3DLSTQA0@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-ext@sun.com); Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:22:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n2RHMelu028993 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:22:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-5.01 64bit (built Feb 19 2009)) id <0KH600G00BMGG300@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-ext@sun.com); Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:22:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([unknown] [75.6.230.171]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-5.01 64bit (built Feb 19 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0KH6001LPDLK9O30@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-ext@sun.com); Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:22:29 -0700 From: Artem Kachitchkine Subject: Re: 2009/200 Solaris Simlinks In-reply-to: <18893.1234.823243.670730@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Sender: Artem.Kachitchkin@sun.com To: Peter.Memishian@sun.com Cc: James Carlson , Neal Pollack , "Garrett D'Amore" , psarc-ext@sun.com Message-id: <49CD0B55.6020109@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <18892.30790.323764.76854@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49CCF379.4010608@sun.com> <49CCF633.4040607@sun.com> <49CD0786.6070704@Sun.COM> <18892.64280.870606.185001@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <18893.1234.823243.670730@gargle.gargle.HOWL> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 Gecko/20040113 Status: RO Content-Length: 428 > We seem to be doing a good job coming up with names that we definitely > shouldn't use :-) I still hope Rishi can put forth a new name for these > handy objects. (Naming is hard -- but important.) We just need to break out of the confines of the English language. Let me throw in a few, just to get your creative juices flowing: alalink linkola liaison-dangereuse grandenpoopen hastalalinko you're welcome, -Artem From Joerg.Schilling9ab33xy531fokus.fraunhofer.de@bounce.antispameurope.de Fri Mar 27 10:35:10 2009 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n2RHZ9Up005612 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:35:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n2RHZ2la020837 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:psarc-ext@sun.com>; Sat, 28 Mar 2009 01:35:08 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KH600J3PE6IFJ00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-ext@sun.com); Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:35:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sca-ea-mail-3.sun.com ([192.18.43.21]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KH600HCFE6HDH30@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-ext@sun.com); Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:35:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay11i.sun.com (ip121.net129179-4.block1.us.syntegra.com [129.179.4.121]) by sca-ea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n2RHQv1x020288 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:35:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mmp14es.mmp.us.syntegra.com ([160.41.208.14] [160.41.208.14]) by relay11i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-3263744 for psarc-ext@sun.com; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:35:04 +0000 (Z) Received: from relay11i.sun.com (relay11i.sun.com [129.179.4.121]) by mmp14es.mmp.us.syntegra.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-178282 for psarc-ext@sun.com; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:35:04 +0000 (Z) Received: from relay02-haj2.antispameurope.de ([83.246.65.52] [83.246.65.52]) by relay1i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-42787528 for psarc-ext@sun.com; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:35:04 +0000 (Z) Received: by relay02-haj2.antispameurope.de (ASE-Secure-MTA, from userid 1000) id 7C4986F05DD; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:34:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de [195.37.77.164]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by relay02-haj2.antispameurope.de (ASE-Secure-MTA) with ESMTP id 0ADDC6F05DA; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:34:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de (bohr [10.147.9.231]) by pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (8.13.7/8.13.7) with SMTP id n2RHV6ZH012947; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:31:06 +0100 (MET) Received: from rigel ([10.147.65.195]) by EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:31:06 +0100 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:31:06 +0100 From: Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Subject: Re: 2009/200 Solaris Simlinks In-reply-to: <49CD0B55.6020109@sun.com> Sender: Joerg.Schilling9ab33xy531fokus.fraunhofer.de@bounce.antispameurope.de To: Peter.Memishian@sun.com, Artem.Kachitchkin@sun.com Cc: psarc-ext@sun.com, Neal.Pollack@sun.com, gdamore@sun.com Message-id: <49cd0d5a.AKboGqxLOTBlABOJ%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Antispam: No, score=0.0/5.0, scanned in 0.132sec at (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smf-spamd v1.3.1 - http://smfs.sf.net/ References: <18892.30790.323764.76854@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49CCF379.4010608@sun.com> <49CCF633.4040607@sun.com> <49CD0786.6070704@Sun.COM> <18892.64280.870606.185001@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <18893.1234.823243.670730@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49CD0B55.6020109@sun.com> User-Agent: nail 11.22 3/20/05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Mar 2009 17:31:06.0301 (UTC) FILETIME=[CF35D6D0:01C9AF01] Status: RO Content-Length: 937 Artem Kachitchkine wrote: > > > We seem to be doing a good job coming up with names that we definitely > > shouldn't use :-) I still hope Rishi can put forth a new name for these > > handy objects. (Naming is hard -- but important.) > > We just need to break out of the confines of the English language. Let > me throw in a few, just to get your creative juices flowing: > > alalink > linkola > liaison-dangereuse > grandenpoopen > hastalalinko If you like to make it compatible with ther NIC driver names in Solaris, yoz should use "liaison-dangereuse" as it is the longest name and hard to type ;-) Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) joerg.schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From Rishi.Srivatsavai@Sun.COM Fri Mar 27 10:37:54 2009 Received: from dm-sfbay-01.sfbay.sun.com (dm-sfbay-01.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.118]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n2RHbsYi005849 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:37:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by dm-sfbay-01.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n2RHbshs054514 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:37:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n2RHbrM9003441 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:37:53 GMT MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-5.01 64bit (built Feb 19 2009)) id <0KH600100DTNRU00@mail-amer.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:37:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.48.8.67] ([unknown] [209.6.153.50]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-5.01 64bit (built Feb 19 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0KH600NIOEAI35G0@mail-amer.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:37:41 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 13:37:30 -0400 From: Rishi Srivatsavai Subject: Re: 2009/200 Solaris Simlinks In-reply-to: <49CD0798.7000900@sun.com> Sender: Rishi.Srivatsavai@Sun.COM To: Scott Rotondo Cc: James Carlson , psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com, Darren J Moffat Message-id: <49CD0EDA.2050502@sun.com> References: <18891.60333.748067.933529@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49CCA6ED.40807@Sun.COM> <49CCCD9A.5070806@sun.com> <49CC10E6.1040702@sun.com> <49CC474F.4040600@sun.com> <49CC54E9.5010307@sun.com> <18892.54159.81352.805151@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49CD0798.7000900@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20090224) Status: RO Content-Length: 1208 Scott Rotondo wrote: [...] > If you know the context, it's clear. My day-to-day experience is that I > frequently have conversations where not everyone has perfect context. > I'm imagining this kind of exchange: > > A: I was testing NFS over [insert arcane networking feature]. I copied a > few GB just fine, and then I hit an assertion failure. > > B: Were you using simlinks? > > A: No, just regular files. Why would that matter? > > B: I mean the network interface. > > A: No, it's a regular device node. [pause] Wait a minute, you're right. > The /dev entry is a symlink to something in /devices. I never noticed > that before. What do I do about that? > > ... and so on until enlightenment occurs. I think the above exchange would be extremely rare that there would be confusion involving a specific class of data-links and device nodes. Even if such a rare instance did occur I am not sure if it is reason enough that we toss out a good name :) We are focusing on the one negative that there could be confusion in actual practice and leaving out all the positives in the name. Moreover I must add that the proposal along with the name did pass muster in the networking community :) Rishi From carlsonj@phorcys.east.sun.com Fri Mar 27 10:57:46 2009 Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (phorcys.East.Sun.COM [129.148.174.143]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n2RHvkaT008003 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:57:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (phorcys.local [127.0.0.1]) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n2RHCYXb005501; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 13:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from carlsonj@localhost) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3/Submit) id n2RHCYJO005498; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 13:12:34 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18893.2305.984846.918500@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 13:12:33 -0400 From: James Carlson To: "Garrett D'Amore" Cc: Neal Pollack , Joerg Schilling , psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com, Rishi.Srivatsavai@sun.com Subject: Re: 2009/200 Solaris Simlinks In-Reply-To: <49CD0748.3040107@sun.com> References: <18891.60333.748067.933529@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49cc9555.rVoYEi5TohZdve5O%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <49CD0403.60600@Sun.COM> <18892.64190.172792.192431@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49CD0748.3040107@sun.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.01 under Emacs 21.3.1 Status: RO Content-Length: 518 Garrett D'Amore writes: > When you use it in a sentence, like this "make a symlink[sic] from > ce0".... some poor fool is not going to understand what it means. simlinks aren't used that way. Someone using it in a sentence like that hasn't read the man page. You can't "simlink" anything. -- James Carlson, Solaris Networking Sun Microsystems / 35 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677 From Alan.Burlison@sun.com Fri Mar 27 10:57:54 2009 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n2RHvrdB008036 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:57:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n2RHvpgg008678; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:57:51 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KH600K07F8FNY00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:57:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm-uk-01.uk.sun.com ([129.156.101.115]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KH600H11F8DDK50@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:57:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from barman.uk.sun.com (barman.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.132.12]) by dm-uk-01.uk.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n2RHvltx021766; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:57:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from vpn-129-150-121-69.uk.sun.com ([129.150.121.69]) by barman.uk.sun.com with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1LnGP9-000501-R5; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:03:44 +0000 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:56:34 +0000 From: Alan Burlison Subject: Re: 2009/200 Solaris Simlinks In-reply-to: <18893.1234.823243.670730@gargle.gargle.HOWL> To: peter.memishian@sun.com Cc: James Carlson , Neal Pollack , "Garrett D'Amore" , Artem Kachitchkine , psarc-ext@sun.com Message-id: <49CD1352.4020107@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <18892.30790.323764.76854@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49CCF379.4010608@sun.com> <49CCF633.4040607@sun.com> <49CD0786.6070704@Sun.COM> <18892.64280.870606.185001@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <18893.1234.823243.670730@gargle.gargle.HOWL> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081215) Status: RO Content-Length: 433 Peter Memishian wrote: > We seem to be doing a good job coming up with names that we definitely > shouldn't use :-) I still hope Rishi can put forth a new name for these > handy objects. (Naming is hard -- but important.) WTH, it's Friday: fauxlinks, mocklinks, mimiclinks, ersatzlinks, phonylinks, flimflamlinks, bilklinks, buncolinks, hoaxlinks, scamlinks, pettifoggerlinks ... -- Alan Burlison -- From carlsonj@phorcys.east.sun.com Fri Mar 27 11:03:18 2009 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n2RI3HsS008736 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:03:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n2RI2wAJ012286; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:03:13 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KH600213FHC8J00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:03:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com ([129.148.174.143]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KH6006PEFHBMVC0@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:03:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (phorcys.local [127.0.0.1]) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n2RI2v8R005768; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:02:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from carlsonj@localhost) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3/Submit) id n2RI2vUQ005765; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:02:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:02:57 -0400 From: James Carlson Subject: Re: 2009/200 Solaris Simlinks In-reply-to: <49CD1352.4020107@sun.com> To: Alan Burlison Cc: Peter.Memishian@sun.com, Neal Pollack , "Garrett D'Amore" , Artem Kachitchkine , psarc-ext@sun.com Message-id: <18893.5329.238049.107012@gargle.gargle.HOWL> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VM 7.01 under Emacs 21.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <18892.30790.323764.76854@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49CCF379.4010608@sun.com> <49CCF633.4040607@sun.com> <49CD0786.6070704@Sun.COM> <18892.64280.870606.185001@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <18893.1234.823243.670730@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49CD1352.4020107@sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 743 Alan Burlison writes: > Peter Memishian wrote: > > > We seem to be doing a good job coming up with names that we definitely > > shouldn't use :-) I still hope Rishi can put forth a new name for these > > handy objects. (Naming is hard -- but important.) > > WTH, it's Friday: > > fauxlinks, mocklinks, mimiclinks, ersatzlinks, phonylinks, > flimflamlinks, bilklinks, buncolinks, hoaxlinks, scamlinks, > pettifoggerlinks ... I could live with "mockmac", as long as it'll end this thread. -- James Carlson, Solaris Networking Sun Microsystems / 35 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677 From Mark.Carlson@Sun.COM Fri Mar 27 11:10:04 2009 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n2RIA3Vq009258 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:10:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n2RI9pdn011672 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:psarc-ext@sun.com>; Sat, 28 Mar 2009 02:10:02 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KH600L0LFSNEG00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-ext@sun.com); Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:09:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com ([192.18.98.36]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KH600HW2FSMDP40@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-ext@sun.com); Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:09:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n2RI9wP0015727 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:09:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-5.01 64bit (built Feb 19 2009)) id <0KH600H00BV26200@mail-amer.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-ext@sun.com); Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:09:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Macintosh-335.local ([unknown] [129.150.37.130]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-5.01 64bit (built Feb 19 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0KH600DOJFSGPV90@mail-amer.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-ext@sun.com); Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:09:52 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:09:51 -0600 From: "Mark A. Carlson" Subject: Re: 2009/200 Solaris Simlinks In-reply-to: <18893.5329.238049.107012@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Sender: Mark.Carlson@Sun.COM To: psarc-ext@Sun.COM Message-id: <49CD166F.2020809@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_FcAWV1fhRRGbabUX+MCNTQ)" X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <18892.30790.323764.76854@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49CCF379.4010608@sun.com> <49CCF633.4040607@sun.com> <49CD0786.6070704@Sun.COM> <18892.64280.870606.185001@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <18893.1234.823243.670730@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49CD1352.4020107@sun.com> <18893.5329.238049.107012@gargle.gargle.HOWL> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) Status: RO Content-Length: 1298 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_FcAWV1fhRRGbabUX+MCNTQ) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT James Carlson wrote: > .... > > I could live with "mockmac", as long as it'll end this thread > Yes. Let's please end this thread before the case gets derailed because of trivial, non-architectural issues. The mail file is already 95k and rising... -- mark --Boundary_(ID_FcAWV1fhRRGbabUX+MCNTQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

James Carlson wrote:
....

I could live with "mockmac", as long as it'll end this thread
Yes. Let's please end this thread before the case gets derailed because of
trivial, non-architectural issues. The mail file is already 95k and rising...

-- mark

--Boundary_(ID_FcAWV1fhRRGbabUX+MCNTQ)-- From roland.mainz@nrubsig.org Fri Mar 27 11:55:18 2009 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n2RItH35012903 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:55:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n2RItEfL040525; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:55:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KH600803HW3FP00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:55:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sca-ea-mail-4.sun.com ([192.18.43.22]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KH6007XZHW2JO00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:55:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay11i.sun.com (ip121.net129179-4.block1.us.syntegra.com [129.179.4.121]) by sca-ea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n2RIrDs8019995; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:55:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mmp13es.mmp.us.syntegra.com ([160.41.208.13] [160.41.208.13]) by relay11i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-3270943; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:55:14 +0000 (Z) Received: from relay12i.sun.com (relay12i.sun.com [129.179.4.122]) by mmp13es.mmp.us.syntegra.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-47702225; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:55:13 +0000 (Z) Received: from mail-in-07.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.47] [151.189.21.47]) by relay1i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-12807321; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:55:13 +0000 (Z) Received: from mail-in-14-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-14-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.31]) by mx.arcor.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1CEF3CAA2D; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:55:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail-in-07.arcor-online.net (mail-in-07.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.47]) by mail-in-14-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C7A2100C2; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:55:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from jupiterb48.nrubsig.org (dslb-084-059-066-184.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.59.66.184]) by mail-in-07.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 973233CAA00; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:55:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from nrubsig.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jupiterb48.nrubsig.org (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n2RIt8mx002860; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:55:09 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:55:07 +0100 From: Roland Mainz Subject: "Simlinks" rename (to "pseudonetlink") ? / was: Re: 2009/200 Solaris Simlinks Sender: gisburn@jupiterb48.nrubsig.org To: Artem Kachitchkine Cc: Peter.Memishian@sun.com, psarc-ext@sun.com, "Garrett D'Amore" , Neal Pollack Message-id: <49CD210B.8ACC4C6C@nrubsig.org> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.11 sun4u) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.2 mail-in-07.arcor-online.net 973233CAA00 X-Antispam: No, score=0.0/5.0, scanned in 0.276sec at (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smf-spamd v1.3.1 - http://smfs.sf.net/ References: <18892.30790.323764.76854@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49CCF379.4010608@sun.com> <49CCF633.4040607@sun.com> <49CD0786.6070704@Sun.COM> <18892.64280.870606.185001@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <18893.1234.823243.670730@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49CD0B55.6020109@sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 955 Artem Kachitchkine wrote: > > > We seem to be doing a good job coming up with names that we definitely > > shouldn't use :-) I still hope Rishi can put forth a new name for these > > handy objects. (Naming is hard -- but important.) > > We just need to break out of the confines of the English language. Let > me throw in a few, just to get your creative juices flowing: > > alalink > linkola > liaison-dangereuse > grandenpoopen > hastalalinko Erm... technically (at least looking at Unix SystemV (David, Glenn or Schilly may correct me)) the precendent is to use the prefix "pseudo", e.g. "pty" for "psuedo terminal" etc. ... ... my preference would be to follow this (e.g. use "pseudonetlink" (= "pseudo network link")). ---- Bye, Roland -- __ . . __ (o.\ \/ /.o) roland.mainz@nrubsig.org \__\/\/__/ MPEG specialist, C&&JAVA&&Sun&&Unix programmer /O /==\ O\ TEL +49 641 3992797 (;O/ \/ \O;) From casper@holland.sun.com Fri Mar 27 15:47:51 2009 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n2RMloWm024926 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:47:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n2RMljnW024352; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:47:49 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KH600909SNNJ800@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:47:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from dm-holland-02.uk.sun.com ([129.156.101.225]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KH600BR5SNNE5E0@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:47:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from holland (room101.Holland.Sun.COM [10.16.117.40]) by dm-holland-02.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n2RMlfV4065311; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:47:41 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 23:47:41 +0100 From: Casper.Dik@sun.com Subject: Re: 2009/200 Solaris Simlinks In-reply-to: <18893.5329.238049.107012@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Sender: casper@holland.sun.com To: James Carlson Cc: Alan Burlison , Peter.Memishian@sun.com, Neal Pollack , "Garrett D'Amore" , Artem Kachitchkine , psarc-ext@sun.com Message-id: <200903272247.n2RMlfV4065311@dm-holland-02.uk.sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <18892.30790.323764.76854@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49CCF379.4010608@sun.com> <49CCF633.4040607@sun.com> <49CD0786.6070704@Sun.COM> <18892.64280.870606.185001@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <18893.1234.823243.670730@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49CD1352.4020107@sun.com> <18893.5329.238049.107012@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Status: RO Content-Length: 581 >Alan Burlison writes: >> Peter Memishian wrote: >> >> > We seem to be doing a good job coming up with names that we definitely >> > shouldn't use :-) I still hope Rishi can put forth a new name for these >> > handy objects. (Naming is hard -- but important.) >> >> WTH, it's Friday: >> >> fauxlinks, mocklinks, mimiclinks, ersatzlinks, phonylinks, >> flimflamlinks, bilklinks, buncolinks, hoaxlinks, scamlinks, >> pettifoggerlinks ... > >I could live with "mockmac", as long as it'll end this thread. > +1 :-) Scamlinks would be fine too. Casper From Darren.Reed@Sun.COM Wed Apr 1 10:24:24 2009 Received: from dm-sfbay-01.sfbay.sun.com (dm-sfbay-01.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.118]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n31HOOS8020566 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:24:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gmp-eb-inf-2.sun.com (gmp-eb-inf-2.EU.Sun.COM [192.18.6.24]) by dm-sfbay-01.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n31HONgj008462 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:24:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-emea-09.sun.com (gmp-eb-lb-2-fe2.eu.sun.com [192.18.6.11]) by gmp-eb-inf-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n31HOIRq001200 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 2009 17:24:18 GMT MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-emea-09.sun.com by fe-emea-09.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-5.01 64bit (built Feb 19 2009)) id <0KHF00600MQP9600@fe-emea-09.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com; Wed, 01 Apr 2009 18:24:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from [192.168.0.201] ([unknown] [76.191.150.176]) by fe-emea-09.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-5.01 64bit (built Feb 19 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0KHF000LBN0DLD40@fe-emea-09.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com; Wed, 01 Apr 2009 18:24:15 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 10:24:10 -0700 From: Darren Reed Subject: Re: 2009/200 Solaris Simlinks In-reply-to: <18891.60333.748067.933529@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Sender: Darren.Reed@Sun.COM To: James Carlson Cc: psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com, Rishi.Srivatsavai@Sun.COM Message-id: <49D3A33A.4010807@Sun.COM> References: <18891.60333.748067.933529@gargle.gargle.HOWL> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) Status: RO Content-Length: 1812 James Carlson wrote: > ... > The following dladm sub-commands are introduced by this case: > > create-simlink [-t] [-m ] > A new simlink device is created on the system with the given > linkname. Media can either be Ethernet (default) or WiFi. > modify-simlink [-t] [-p ] > Another simlink is associated as the peer link of an existing > simlink. If the -p option is not specified any existing peer > link associated with the simlink instance is removed. > delete-simlink [-t] > Delete simlink instance from the system. If the simlink has > a peer simlink associated with it the command fails. > show-simlink [-pP] [-o ,...] [] > Lists the existing simlinks or when linkname is specified displays > the given simlink on the system. Output fields are: LINK, MEDIA, > MACADDRESS and OTHERLINK The horse may have bolted on this (approved at this morning's PSARC) but... (putting my PSARC intern hat on) The OpenSolaris networking community needs to come up with a better architecture for dladm that doesn't require a new binary to be delivered every time new subcommands need to be added for new link types. Not only does this hinder development of new link types (a complete new dladm needs to be built and shipped), it is crowding the man page for dladm(1m). That is a poor architecture and needs to be improved. Looking at how the userland tools work with filesystems (/usr/lib/fs, mount_pcfs(1m), etc) is recommended. The existing architecture of a monolithic dladm command needs improvement and while it is outside of the scope of this project to do that, I'd like to suggest that the ARC consider requiring any future projects that touches dladm to provide a better architecture for it that addresses the above concerns. Darren From Darren.Moffat@Sun.COM Wed Apr 1 10:29:51 2009 Received: from dm-sfbay-02.sfbay.sun.com (dm-sfbay-02.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.31]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n31HTpPX020968 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:29:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gmp-eb-inf-2.sun.com (gmp-eb-inf-2.EU.Sun.COM [192.18.6.24]) by dm-sfbay-02.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n31HTof1004327 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:29:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-emea-10.sun.com (gmp-eb-lb-2-fe3.eu.sun.com [192.18.6.12]) by gmp-eb-inf-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n31HTisB001475 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 2009 17:29:45 GMT MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-emea-10.sun.com by fe-emea-10.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-5.01 64bit (built Feb 19 2009)) id <0KHF00D00N2QJN00@fe-emea-10.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com; Wed, 01 Apr 2009 18:29:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (cpc2-rdng20-2-0-cust917.15-3.cable.virginmedia.com [86.28.167.150]) by fe-emea-10.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-5.01 64bit (built Feb 19 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0KHF00A4UN9JC1F0@fe-emea-10.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com; Wed, 01 Apr 2009 18:29:44 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 18:29:43 +0100 From: Darren J Moffat Subject: Re: 2009/200 Solaris Simlinks In-reply-to: <49D3A33A.4010807@Sun.COM> Sender: Darren.Moffat@Sun.COM To: Darren Reed Cc: James Carlson , psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com, Rishi.Srivatsavai@Sun.COM Message-id: <49D3A487.4000607@Sun.COM> References: <18891.60333.748067.933529@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49D3A33A.4010807@Sun.COM> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20090211) Status: RO Content-Length: 1219 Darren Reed wrote: > The OpenSolaris networking community needs to come up with a better > architecture for dladm that doesn't require a new binary to be > delivered every time new subcommands need to be added for new link > types. Not only does this hinder development of new link types (a > complete new dladm needs to be built and shipped), it is crowding > the man page for dladm(1m). That is a poor architecture and needs > to be improved. Looking at how the userland tools work with > filesystems (/usr/lib/fs, mount_pcfs(1m), etc) is recommended. > > The existing architecture of a monolithic dladm command needs > improvement and while it is outside of the scope of this project > to do that, I'd like to suggest that the ARC consider requiring > any future projects that touches dladm to provide a better > architecture for it that addresses the above concerns. I believe that unless the intent is to provide for something higher than Consolidation Private for how to write the "plugins" for dladm I don't see this as an ARC concern as it is essentially a Project Private interface (it would be Internal other than for the fact that the "plugins" would be visible in the filesystem). -- Darren J Moffat From carlsonj@phorcys.east.sun.com Wed Apr 1 10:36:48 2009 Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (phorcys.East.Sun.COM [129.148.174.143]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n31Ham29021828 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:36:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (phorcys.local [127.0.0.1]) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n31HaTYm018574; Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:36:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from carlsonj@localhost) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3/Submit) id n31HaTpf018571; Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:36:29 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18899.42525.604281.913559@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:36:29 -0400 From: James Carlson To: Darren Reed Cc: psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com, Rishi.Srivatsavai@sun.com Subject: Re: 2009/200 Solaris Simlinks In-Reply-To: <49D3A33A.4010807@Sun.COM> References: <18891.60333.748067.933529@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <49D3A33A.4010807@Sun.COM> X-Mailer: VM 7.01 under Emacs 21.3.1 Status: RO Content-Length: 2371 Darren Reed writes: > The horse may have bolted on this (approved at this morning's PSARC) > but... Actually, we're waiting on a new spec from Rishi to give the final name for the object. But, yes, otherwise I was headed to close the case. > (putting my PSARC intern hat on) > > The OpenSolaris networking community needs to come up with a better > architecture for dladm that doesn't require a new binary to be > delivered every time new subcommands need to be added for new link > types. Not only does this hinder development of new link types (a > complete new dladm needs to be built and shipped), it is crowding > the man page for dladm(1m). That is a poor architecture and needs > to be improved. Looking at how the userland tools work with > filesystems (/usr/lib/fs, mount_pcfs(1m), etc) is recommended. Some refactoring would be nice to see, but it's not this project. > The existing architecture of a monolithic dladm command needs > improvement and while it is outside of the scope of this project > to do that, I'd like to suggest that the ARC consider requiring > any future projects that touches dladm to provide a better > architecture for it that addresses the above concerns. I think that's actually a bit out of scope, even there. The "dladm project team" (if there could be such a thing) has not exhausted the goodness that could be obtained by a decent factoring of functionality between the command line utility and the supporting library, let alone what could be done with a simple source-based modular design for the application. It doesn't seem quite necessary to reach yet for exotica such as plug-ins or wrapped external executables, as with the 'fs' tools. The issues just aren't the same; it's not clear that the rest of the system architecture (including kernel) is ready for non-integrated contributions in this area. If the design were better, I'd be inclined to agree. Given the current state of things, I think it's just jumping the gun. But if a separate project team were to come forward with such a proposal for review, I don't think I'd be opposed just because I think simpler fixes are possible. -- James Carlson, Solaris Networking Sun Microsystems / 35 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677 From Rishi.Srivatsavai@Sun.COM Thu Apr 2 11:58:17 2009 Received: from dm-sfbay-01.sfbay.sun.com (dm-sfbay-01.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.118]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n32IwHoC009573 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 2009 11:58:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (sca-es-mail-1.Sun.COM [192.18.43.132]) by dm-sfbay-01.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n32IwH60037786 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 2009 11:58:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-09.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n32IwCeV003262 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 2009 11:58:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-09.sun.com by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-5.01 64bit (built Feb 19 2009)) id <0KHH00M00LYFUV00@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com; Thu, 02 Apr 2009 11:58:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [129.148.174.36] ([unknown] [129.148.174.36]) by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-5.01 64bit (built Feb 19 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0KHH00A4MM0M3BE0@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com; Thu, 02 Apr 2009 11:58:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 14:57:58 -0400 From: Rishi Srivatsavai Subject: 2009/200 Solaris Simnet Sender: Rishi.Srivatsavai@Sun.COM To: psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com Message-id: <49D50AB6.7060404@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20090224) Status: RO Content-Length: 6183 Updated case proposal with the new name is included below. Simnet - Simulated network device Simulated network devices (simnet) are pseudo GLDv3 network devices that aid in the creation of point-to-point network links on a system. They are intended to be a testing resource for OpenSolaris developers. Simnets should help in developing test suites that can run with minimal network hardware to test protocols and codepaths that were previously not possible to test on a single system. This case has two components: the new 'simnet' pseudo GLDv3 network device driver and the changes in dladm(1M) to create, modify and delete simnets. Simnets are created by the administrator on a system using dladm(1M). Simnets can be of type: Ethernet or WiFi and the type is specified at the time of creation. When creating a new simnet device the simnet driver uses a random MAC address and registers the device as a new MAC on the system. Once created administrators can plumb IP, snoop and create VLANs using the new simnet. In other words upon creation simnets appear as regular Ethernet/WiFi hardware devices. Simnet instances persist and survive reboot, unless created with the "temporary" option. Initially new simnet devices have no peer link attached. No packets are received from the device and all packets sent to the device are silently discarded. In this configuration simnets are of limited to no use. Simnets must have another simnet attached to simulate a point-to-point link. In such a configuration packets transmitted on a simnet are received at the other simnet and vice-versa, simulating a full-duplex point-to-point link. Using a combination of such links one can simulate a number of network configurations within a single system. The point-to-point nature of the device allows us to write test software that can send and capture packets at both the end-points and verify network software without the distractions that arise from the need and the use of actual network hardware. Simnets are different from VNICs. Simnets are used to simulate point-to-point links and are MAC-level objects that appear to consumers as real Ethernet/WiFi devices. Therefore, you may create an aggregation on top of a collection of simnets, while such a thing is not possible with VNICs or the existing Etherstubs. Such a configuration would allow the testing of aggregations (and LACP signaling) without having to set up multiple physical point-to-point connections between two systems. A VNIC on the other hand is created over an Etherstub or other existing MAC-level objects (such as Simnets) to provide bandwidth control of traffic on the underlying link. Etherstubs do not have MAC addresses associated with them and are not suitable to simulate a single link. The following dladm sub-commands are introduced by this case: create-simnet [-t] [-m ] A new simnet device is created on the system with the given linkname. Media can either be Ethernet (default) or WiFi. modify-simnet [-t] [-p ] Another simnet is associated as the peer link of an existing simnet. If the -p option is not specified any existing peer link associated with the simnet instance is removed. delete-simnet [-t] Delete simnet instance from the system. If the simnet has a peer simnet associated with it the command fails. show-simnet [-pP] [-o ,...] [] Lists the existing simnets or when linkname is specified displays the given simnet on the system. Output fields are: LINK, MEDIA, MACADDRESS and OTHERLINK Simnet instances are of data-link class 'DATALINK_CLASS_SIMNET' and the output from 'dladm show-link' lists simnet instances as belonging to class 'simnet'. 'dladm show-link' shows the simnet peer (if there is one) in the 'OVER' field. Simnet instances are not included in the output of 'dladm show-phys'. Create, modify and delete simnet operations require sys_net_config privilege. Simnets are expected to be used during network software development and testing on OpenSolaris. To encourage use of simnets for testing this case proposes project teams introduce new private data-link properties in the simnet driver that modify or control the response from the device to administrative action. For example to simulate a WiFi scan the simnet driver introduces a new _wl_esslist private property. Before performing a WiFi scan on a WiFi simnet, the _wl_esslist property of the device can be initialized with test values. Performing the WiFi scan on the simnet will return results using the values set in _wl_esslist property. This case proposes to introduce the following two private properties with a stability level of Project Private and are listed below as examples. As the intended usage is with testing scripts the stability level for the private properties shouldn't be a problem. A future project might introduce more interactive APIs in addition to or in place of the proposed properties. _wl_esslist WiFi scan results. Comma separated essid and signal strength pair to set a WiFi scan result. This property can be set multiple times (max 10) for multiple WiFi scan results. _wl_connected Toggle to indicate the device is connected to a WiFi access point. Wifi apsects of simnets are intended for use by the NWAM team. Simnets are currently in use by the RBridges team to test bridging and the TRILL protocol. As simnets appear as MAC-level objects they can be used for bridging. Using several point-to-point simnets testing multiple bridged LANs running the TRILL protocol can be done on a single box. ----------- ------------ --- | RBridge 1 | --- | RBridge 2 | .... ----------- ------------ red0 and red1, blue0 and blue1 are simnets. This case introduces simnets with a stability level of Uncommitted, the private data-link properties for simnets are Project Private and the release binding is Minor. From carlsonj@phorcys.east.sun.com Thu Apr 2 12:09:43 2009 Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (phorcys.East.Sun.COM [129.148.174.143]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n32J9hMR024925 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 2009 12:09:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (phorcys.local [127.0.0.1]) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n32J9Ogu023769; Thu, 2 Apr 2009 15:09:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from carlsonj@localhost) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3/Submit) id n32J9O6x023766; Thu, 2 Apr 2009 15:09:24 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18901.3428.801260.219625@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 15:09:24 -0400 From: James Carlson To: Rishi Srivatsavai Cc: psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com Subject: Re: 2009/200 Solaris Simnet In-Reply-To: <49D50AB6.7060404@sun.com> References: <49D50AB6.7060404@sun.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.01 under Emacs 21.3.1 Status: RO Content-Length: 463 Rishi Srivatsavai writes: > Updated case proposal with the new name is included below. Assuming there's no additional name-related or other controversy, I'll close this out at COB today. (We pawed it over during ARC business yesterday.) -- James Carlson, Solaris Networking Sun Microsystems / 35 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677 From carlsonj@phorcys.east.sun.com Thu Apr 2 14:28:50 2009 Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (phorcys.East.Sun.COM [129.148.174.143]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n32LSoI9022742 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 2009 14:28:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (phorcys.local [127.0.0.1]) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n32LSUh6024606; Thu, 2 Apr 2009 17:28:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from carlsonj@localhost) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3/Submit) id n32LSTM3024603; Thu, 2 Apr 2009 17:28:29 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18901.11773.967120.368976@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 17:28:29 -0400 From: James Carlson To: Rishi Srivatsavai Cc: psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com Subject: Re: 2009/200 Solaris Simnet In-Reply-To: <49D50AB6.7060404@sun.com> References: <49D50AB6.7060404@sun.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.01 under Emacs 21.3.1 Status: RO Content-Length: 406 Rishi Srivatsavai writes: > Updated case proposal with the new name is included below. No squawks, closing as approved. Final specification is in 'spec.txt' in the case directory. -- James Carlson, Solaris Networking Sun Microsystems / 35 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677 From carlsonj@phorcys.east.sun.com Wed Jun 3 13:18:01 2009 Received: from dm-east-02.east.sun.com (dm-east-02.East.Sun.COM [129.148.13.5]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n53KI1iL016659 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:18:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (phorcys.East.Sun.COM [129.148.174.143]) by dm-east-02.east.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n53KI0tn023596; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:18:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (phorcys.local [127.0.0.1]) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n53KGrs1001340; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:16:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from carlsonj@localhost) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3/Submit) id n53KGr9c001337; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:16:53 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18982.55861.17420.388974@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 16:16:53 -0400 From: James Carlson To: psarc-ext@sac.sfbay.sun.com cc: Rishi.Srivatsavai@sun.com Subject: 2009/200 Solaris Simnet: minor update X-Mailer: VM 7.01 under Emacs 21.3.1 Status: RO Content-Length: 1754 As a result of another review, the submitter is making some trivial changes to this project: namely, the "-p" option now requires an explicit selection in order to disconnect a peer, and deleting a link automatically disconnects it from its peer. The changes are trivial enough that I'm leaving the case as "closed approved fast-track." If you disagree, please speak up, and we'll restart a timer. The spec.txt file in the case materials has been updated with the new specification (it's now under SCCS) and the diffs are: @@ -51,11 +51,13 @@ linkname. Media can either be Ethernet (default) or WiFi. modify-simnet [-t] [-p ] Another simnet is associated as the peer link of an existing - simnet. If the -p option is not specified any existing peer - link associated with the simnet instance is removed. + simnet. To remove the peer link associated with the simnet + instance 'none' must be specified as the value for the peer + argument. delete-simnet [-t] - Delete simnet instance from the system. If the simnet has - a peer simnet associated with it the command fails. + Delete simnet instance from the system. If a peer simnet + is associated with the instance then the association is + removed prior to the deletion. show-simnet [-pP] [-o ,...] [] Lists the existing simnets or when linkname is specified displays the given simnet on the system. Output fields are: LINK, MEDIA, -- James Carlson, Solaris Networking Sun Microsystems / 35 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677