From gd78059@sac.sfbay.sun.com Tue Jun 2 14:26:32 2009 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n52LQVVR001154 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:26:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n52LQNKU012379; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 05:26:31 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KKM00J0BRK4QC00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 14:26:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm-sfbay-01.sfbay.sun.com ([129.145.155.118]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KKM00BP0RK4K740@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 14:26:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sac.sfbay.sun.com (sac.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.226.132]) by dm-sfbay-01.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n52LQSXV036764; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 14:26:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sac.sfbay.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n52LQR4p001110; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 14:26:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gd78059@localhost) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/Submit) id n52LQR4q001106; Tue, 02 Jun 2009 14:26:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 14:26:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "Garrett D'Amore - sun microsystems" Subject: EOF of legacy bus mice [PSARC/2009/334 FastTrack timeout 06/10/2009] To: PSARC-ext@sun.com Cc: alan.coopersmith@sun.com Message-id: <200906022126.n52LQR4q001106@sac.sfbay.sun.com> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 Status: RO Content-Length: 2046 I'm filing this on my own behalf, seeking minor binding. Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.68 02/23/09 SMI This information is Copyright 2009 Sun Microsystems 1. Introduction 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: EOF of legacy bus mice 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: Author: Garrett D'Amore 1.3 Date of This Document: 02 June, 2009 4. Technical Description EOF of msm and logi bus mouse modules ------------------------------------- ON currently has drivers that reputedly support Microsoft Bus Mouse (msm) and Logitech Bus Mouse (logi) devices. However, as far as anyone knows, nobody has used either of these devices with Solaris in quite a long time. The bus mice used add-in ISA cards that are unlikely to be usable on any system capable of running Nevada. Additionally, nobody within Sun seems to have hardware to test these devices anymore. Even the Xorg drivers for these devices are reportedly untested -- its likely that the last time either of these devices was tested was with Xsun which we no longer deliver on x86 platforms. Finally, all modern systems support either PS/2 or USB mice. (Some fairly ancient systems use serial mice or type 5 style sun mice, but EOF'ing of either of those is probably a good topic for another case. This one just deals with logi and msm.) We'd like to EOF these drivers from Solaris Nevada. We don't believe this will have any negative impact on anyone -- the only impact should be the positive result of removing the driver binaries, man pages, and associated source code. We have no desire to release note this, because we simply don't believe that there is anyone who would even notice the removal. However, if either the ARC or the other committees (CTeam, Product team) requests we will provide a release note and advance notification in a Solaris 10 update release. 6. Resources and Schedule 6.4. Steering Committee requested information 6.4.1. Consolidation C-team Name: ON 6.5. ARC review type: FastTrack 6.6. ARC Exposure: open From Darren.Moffat@sun.com Wed Jun 3 06:00:23 2009 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n53D0N7H009042 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 06:00:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n53D0Mq8010345 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 07:00:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KKN00M0HYSMD800@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 03 Jun 2009 06:00:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gmp-eb-inf-2.sun.com ([192.18.6.24]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KKN00I4RYSLMH20@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 03 Jun 2009 06:00:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-emea-09.sun.com (gmp-eb-lb-1-fe3.eu.sun.com [192.18.6.10]) by gmp-eb-inf-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n53D0KYA019110 for ; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 13:00:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-emea-09.sun.com by fe-emea-09.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 64bit (built Apr 16 2009)) id <0KKN00A00XJWSL00@fe-emea-09.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 03 Jun 2009 14:00:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from [129.156.173.199] ([unknown] [129.156.173.199]) by fe-emea-09.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 64bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0KKN00MURYSH0E20@fe-emea-09.sun.com>; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 14:00:17 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 14:00:17 +0100 From: Darren J Moffat Subject: Re: EOF of legacy bus mice [PSARC/2009/334 FastTrack timeout 06/10/2009] In-reply-to: <200906022126.n52LQR4q001106@sac.sfbay.sun.com> Sender: Darren.Moffat@sun.com To: "Garrett D'Amore - sun microsystems" Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, Alan.Coopersmith@sun.com Message-id: <4A2673E1.60405@Sun.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200906022126.n52LQR4q001106@sac.sfbay.sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20090127) Status: RO Content-Length: 767 Garrett D'Amore - sun microsystems wrote: > We'd like to EOF these drivers from Solaris Nevada. We don't believe this > will have any negative impact on anyone -- the only impact should be the > positive result of removing the driver binaries, man pages, and associated > source code. > > We have no desire to release note this, because we simply don't believe that > there is anyone who would even notice the removal. However, if either the > ARC or the other committees (CTeam, Product team) requests we will provide > a release note and advance notification in a Solaris 10 update release. Given the age of the hardware and all the other factors I believe this is perfectly acceptable in this case. I'm happy with the case as specified. -- Darren J Moffat From Alan.Coopersmith@Sun.COM Wed Jun 3 06:50:44 2009 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n53Doh6i009531 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 06:50:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n53DogUf015741 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:50:43 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KKO00G0314I4600@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.Com); Wed, 03 Jun 2009 06:50:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.43.132]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KKO003EY14ICUB0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.Com); Wed, 03 Jun 2009 06:50:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n53DogQs018041 for ; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 06:50:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 64bit (built Apr 16 2009)) id <0KKO00H0011V8Y00@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@Sun.Com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.Com); Wed, 03 Jun 2009 06:50:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.6.102.27] ([unknown] [10.6.102.27]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 64bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0KKO00CS914HYW10@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com>; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 06:50:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 06:50:41 -0700 From: Alan Coopersmith Subject: Re: EOF of legacy bus mice [PSARC/2009/334 FastTrack timeout 06/10/2009] In-reply-to: <200906022126.n52LQR4q001106@sac.sfbay.sun.com> Sender: Alan.Coopersmith@Sun.COM To: "Garrett D'Amore - sun microsystems" Cc: PSARC-ext@Sun.COM Message-id: <4A267FB1.2050105@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.1 References: <200906022126.n52LQR4q001106@sac.sfbay.sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090323) Status: RO Content-Length: 445 Garrett D'Amore - sun microsystems wrote: > We'd like to EOF these drivers from Solaris Nevada. We don't believe this > will have any negative impact on anyone -- the only impact should be the > positive result of removing the driver binaries, man pages, and associated > source code. +1 on behalf of the X group for this EOF. -- -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersmith@sun.com Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering From john.plocher@gmail.com Wed Jun 3 09:16:55 2009 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n53GGtDP010973 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:16:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n53GGjQS023423; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:16:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KKO0032J7W4PU00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:16:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sca-ea-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.43.25]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KKO0032M7W3O500@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:16:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay11i.sun.com (ip121.net129179-4.block1.us.syntegra.com [129.179.4.121]) by sca-ea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n53GA2vo021035; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 16:16:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mmp12es.mmp.us.syntegra.com ([160.41.208.12] [160.41.208.12]) by relay11i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-4116768; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 16:16:50 +0000 (Z) Received: from relay11i.sun.com (relay11i.sun.com [129.179.4.121]) by mmp12es.mmp.us.syntegra.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-120361689; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 16:16:41 +0000 (Z) Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.92.149] [74.125.92.149]) by relay1i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-6312652; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 16:16:41 +0000 (Z) Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so56285qwf.50 for ; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:16:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.110.13 with SMTP id l13mr400991qcp.4.1244045801491; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:16:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:16:41 -0700 From: John Plocher Subject: Re: EOF of legacy bus mice [PSARC/2009/334 FastTrack timeout 06/10/2009] In-reply-to: <4A267FB1.2050105@sun.com> To: Alan Coopersmith Cc: "Garrett D'Amore - sun microsystems" , PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=foBduF85PZg5fl0Wj2nEfvEd9kURQyxJSZWbIkzWVGo=; b=omFbSccwP8Hcawd6qUkqkUXaQJFSBm0mX3fCG2sIbI51jVn9QwWUN17/qYmxj0Qi7A dW5NJYRg1HOwMYLuySrabtwmlaz7+6SxdErYHggPT7mExJ2l5ksFuOdHzDfctCtb9Vwz l324C79KSKeKR7Rzar7CCGzuftSe0h8xmqOO8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=HnVE2WVS+gzF+zhJs1t1KQk3FSPm1Ro9s5cqbl4x1SuTuV9fsTVqF3MBkNTsmUmUzC PjOY9SsiSHfa1hVdsx72e95JUCslxUGixKhwhEN6scIM5Ha29/jTXoDVQn6+bVUguAGd c5Okq6FKvGSsPhYQ26S6orJ9fv9eK7sn1Zmkw= X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Antispam: No, score=0.0/5.0, scanned in 0.060sec at (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smf-spamd v1.3.1 - http://smfs.sf.net/ References: <200906022126.n52LQR4q001106@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <4A267FB1.2050105@sun.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sac.sfbay.sun.com id n53GGtDP010973 Status: RO Content-Length: 1362 +1 on the proposal as-is; I don't want this side discussion to derail the case, but... In the unlikely event that anyone is impacted by this, A) is the source for the driver(s) open/available for other distros/individuals to put it back, -or- B) are the driver binaries available in a repo so that they could be re-installed? Maybe what I'm asking is whether we need to remove the driver source from our source tree (like this proposal implies), or if it would be sufficient to simply remove the packages from the core system definition so they are not installed/used by default. Or move the source (et al) to the contrib (or obsolete or ...) repo? Or...? Given the age and systems characteristics of bus mice, this may be a poor test case (and if so, that's OK by me), but, in general, it seems to me that combining "removing old hardware support" and "open source OS used by a long tail of different hardware users" is somewhat of a mismatch. What if your assertion of "not used" is wrong? Can a person affected by the removal /do/ anything about it? -John > Garrett D'Amore - sun microsystems wrote: >> We'd like to EOF these drivers from Solaris Nevada.  We don't believe this >> will have any negative impact on anyone -- the only impact should be the >> positive result of removing the driver binaries, man pages, and associated >> source code. From gdamore@sun.com Wed Jun 3 09:42:09 2009 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n53Gg8Kx011574 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:42:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n53Gg1eJ017356 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:42:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KKO0060D925HG00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:42:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.43.132]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KKO003V2925O510@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:42:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-09.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n53Gg4Tq006854 for ; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:42:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-09.sun.com by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 64bit (built Apr 16 2009)) id <0KKO00D008KZB600@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:42:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.251.11] ([unknown] [76.93.15.33]) by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 64bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0KKO00GDL924IEA0@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com>; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:42:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:42:04 -0700 From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: Re: EOF of legacy bus mice [PSARC/2009/334 FastTrack timeout 06/10/2009] In-reply-to: Sender: Garrett.Damore@sun.com To: John Plocher Cc: Alan Coopersmith , "Garrett D'Amore - sun microsystems" , PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <4A26A7DC.7050301@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200906022126.n52LQR4q001106@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <4A267FB1.2050105@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081201) Status: RO Content-Length: 2959 John Plocher wrote: > +1 on the proposal as-is; I don't want this side discussion to derail > the case, but... > > In the unlikely event that anyone is impacted by this, > A) is the source for the driver(s) open/available for other > distros/individuals to put it back, -or- > Yes. > B) are the driver binaries available in a repo so that they could be > re-installed? > No. > Maybe what I'm asking is whether we need to remove the driver source > from our source tree (like this proposal implies), or if it would be > sufficient to simply remove the packages from the core system > definition so they are not installed/used by default. Or move the > IMO, leaving uncompiled/untested source in the tree for ON is harmful, in various ways. It implies (to readers) a level of support that does not exist, and the source becomes vulnerable to bit rot. In this particular case, I also intend to remove more than just the drivers -- but also the associated support in devfsadm, the device allocation framework, bfu, etc. I hope the Xorg folks will also nuke the driver for X11 from their tree as well, since they haven't tested it. > source (et al) to the contrib (or obsolete or ...) repo? Or...? > > Given the age and systems characteristics of bus mice, this may be a > poor test case (and if so, that's OK by me), but, in general, it seems > to me that combining "removing old hardware support" and "open source > OS used by a long tail of different hardware users" is somewhat of a > mismatch. What if your assertion of "not used" is wrong? Can a > person affected by the removal /do/ anything about it? > Sure, they can. Frankly, if it affects someone enough to care, and they can supply test cases, we can always revive the support. Or they can compile the sources themselves. The stuff *does* live in the hg history, after all! In this particular case, I really *do* think that nobody is likely to be using those particular devices with OpenSolaris (or even Solaris itself). Unlike NetBSD, OpenSolaris doesn't have a history of targetting ancient "nostalgia" devices. Folks that want to continue to use ancient hardware are probably far better served by NetBSD, which continues to be usable on systems such as Sun-2 and Sun-3 hardware. For the most part, systems with such hardware will already have problems finding support for functional disk drives, I suspect. (Did Solaris ever support MFM drives? I don't think we have any ISA SCSI support...) This is i386 (and really i286) legacy stuff here, not stuff found on systems built in the last 15 years. -- Garrett > -John > > >> Garrett D'Amore - sun microsystems wrote: >> >>> We'd like to EOF these drivers from Solaris Nevada. We don't believe this >>> will have any negative impact on anyone -- the only impact should be the >>> positive result of removing the driver binaries, man pages, and associated >>> source code. >>> From carlsonj@phorcys.east.sun.com Wed Jun 3 09:49:06 2009 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n53Gn6Ai011700 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:49:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n53Gmv5P022830; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:49:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KKO00H079DQ3S00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:49:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm-east-02.east.sun.com ([129.148.13.5]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KKO00IKF9DO2YA0@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM>; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:49:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (phorcys.East.Sun.COM [129.148.174.143]) by dm-east-02.east.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n53Gmwe7039689; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 12:48:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phorcys.east.sun.com (phorcys.local [127.0.0.1]) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n53Glo7k012478; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 12:47:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from carlsonj@localhost) by phorcys.east.sun.com (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3/Submit) id n53GloWL012475; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 12:47:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 12:47:50 -0400 From: James Carlson Subject: Re: EOF of legacy bus mice [PSARC/2009/334 FastTrack timeout 06/10/2009] In-reply-to: <4A26A7DC.7050301@sun.com> To: "Garrett D'Amore" Cc: John Plocher , Alan Coopersmith , "Garrett D'Amore - sun microsystems" , PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <18982.43318.264930.836445@gargle.gargle.HOWL> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: VM 7.01 under Emacs 21.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200906022126.n52LQR4q001106@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <4A267FB1.2050105@sun.com> <4A26A7DC.7050301@sun.com> Status: RO Content-Length: 1091 Garrett D'Amore writes: > Sure, they can. Frankly, if it affects someone enough to care, and they > can supply test cases, we can always revive the support. Or they can > compile the sources themselves. The stuff *does* live in the hg > history, after all! Leaving it in the hg history is actually better than moving it to a separate repo. If it's in the history, then you've got all the context -- that changeset (or the one before) was once a known-good set of sources. You could use it to port the driver (with all the changesets since) to a new system if needed. If you put it out on the island of misfit toys, then it loses that good context. So, delete away, good riddance, and all that. (The ones to be concerned about are the ones that were deleted before we open-sourced the code. They're dead and gone with little or no hope of being rescued.) -- James Carlson, Solaris Networking Sun Microsystems / 35 Network Drive 71.232W Vox +1 781 442 2084 MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757 42.496N Fax +1 781 442 1677 From Alan.Coopersmith@sun.com Wed Jun 3 10:48:35 2009 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n53HmYw2015676 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:48:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n53HmXaP004742 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:48:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KKO00D1BC4W9300@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 03 Jun 2009 11:48:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.43.133]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KKO003PJC4VO770@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 03 Jun 2009 11:48:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n53HmVov010105 for ; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:48:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 64bit (built Apr 16 2009)) id <0KKO00H00BTYNZ00@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:48:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.6.102.27] ([unknown] [10.6.102.27]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 64bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0KKO00L1GC4NQH80@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com>; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:48:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:48:23 -0700 From: Alan Coopersmith Subject: Re: EOF of legacy bus mice [PSARC/2009/334 FastTrack timeout 06/10/2009] In-reply-to: <4A26A7DC.7050301@sun.com> Sender: Alan.Coopersmith@sun.com To: "Garrett D'Amore" Cc: John Plocher , "Garrett D'Amore - sun microsystems" , PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <4A26B767.9060905@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.1 References: <200906022126.n52LQR4q001106@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <4A267FB1.2050105@sun.com> <4A26A7DC.7050301@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090323) Status: RO Content-Length: 797 Garrett D'Amore wrote: > In this particular case, I also intend to remove more than just the > drivers -- but also the associated support in devfsadm, the device > allocation framework, bfu, etc. I hope the Xorg folks will also nuke > the driver for X11 from their tree as well, since they haven't tested it. There's nothing to nuke in Xorg - Xorg only has /dev/mouse & /dev/kdmouse in the list of devices to try for autoconfiguration, /dev/msm would only be used if someone manually created an xorg.conf file specifying it and specifying the right streams module to push onto it to produce the VUID events & ioctls that Xorg uses to interact with Solaris kernel mouse drivers. -- -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersmith@sun.com Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering From gdamore@sun.com Wed Jun 3 10:56:38 2009 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n53Hucgw016093 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:56:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n53HuaDg009037 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 10:56:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KKO0061PCID6M00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.Com); Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:56:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.43.132]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KKO000IOCICNN40@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.Com); Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:56:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n53HuaNA017366 for ; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:56:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 64bit (built Apr 16 2009)) id <0KKO00B00CGMYF00@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@Sun.Com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.Com); Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:56:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.251.11] ([unknown] [76.93.15.33]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 64bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0KKO00LZWCH8QHA0@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com>; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:55:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:55:56 -0700 From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: Re: EOF of legacy bus mice [PSARC/2009/334 FastTrack timeout 06/10/2009] In-reply-to: <200906022126.n52LQR4q001106@sac.sfbay.sun.com> Sender: Garrett.Damore@sun.com To: "Garrett D'Amore - sun microsystems" Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, Alan.Coopersmith@sun.com Message-id: <4A26B92C.7010701@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200906022126.n52LQR4q001106@sac.sfbay.sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081201) Status: RO Content-Length: 54 This case was approved at PSARC today. - Garrett From gdamore@sun.com Wed Jun 3 12:00:21 2009 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n53J0LWp020142 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:00:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n53J0FvF013593 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Wed, 3 Jun 2009 12:00:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KKO00K3FFGFMC00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 03 Jun 2009 13:00:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.43.133]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KKO003N8FGENYB0@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 03 Jun 2009 13:00:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n53J0EoY019231 for ; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 12:00:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 64bit (built Apr 16 2009)) id <0KKO00500FDAAH00@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 03 Jun 2009 12:00:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.251.11] ([unknown] [76.93.15.33]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 64bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0KKO0039VFGAIS10@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com>; Wed, 03 Jun 2009 12:00:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 12:00:10 -0700 From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: Re: EOF of legacy bus mice [PSARC/2009/334 FastTrack timeout 06/10/2009] In-reply-to: <4A26B767.9060905@sun.com> Sender: Garrett.Damore@sun.com To: Alan Coopersmith Cc: John Plocher , "Garrett D'Amore - sun microsystems" , PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <4A26C83A.3020702@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200906022126.n52LQR4q001106@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <4A267FB1.2050105@sun.com> <4A26A7DC.7050301@sun.com> <4A26B767.9060905@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20081201) Status: RO Content-Length: 796 Alan Coopersmith wrote: > Garrett D'Amore wrote: > >> In this particular case, I also intend to remove more than just the >> drivers -- but also the associated support in devfsadm, the device >> allocation framework, bfu, etc. I hope the Xorg folks will also nuke >> the driver for X11 from their tree as well, since they haven't tested it. >> > > There's nothing to nuke in Xorg - Xorg only has /dev/mouse & /dev/kdmouse > in the list of devices to try for autoconfiguration, /dev/msm would only > be used if someone manually created an xorg.conf file specifying it and > specifying the right streams module to push onto it to produce the VUID > events & ioctls that Xorg uses to interact with Solaris kernel mouse drivers. > > Okay, thanks for that clarification. - Garrett