From is@sac.sfbay.sun.com Thu Jun 4 11:38:07 2009 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n54Ic67m003801 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:38:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n54Ic3s0009014; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:38:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KKQ0050393HI700@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 11:38:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm-sfbay-01.sfbay.sun.com ([129.145.155.118]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KKQ00LKE93GS890@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 11:38:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sac.sfbay.sun.com (sac.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.226.132]) by dm-sfbay-01.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n54Ic4dB036235; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 11:38:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sac.sfbay.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n54Ic3er003796; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 11:38:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from is@localhost) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/Submit) id n54Ic3Iu003792; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 11:38:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 11:38:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Ienup Sung Subject: EOF of @euro locales [PSARC/2009/342 FastTrack timeout 06/11/2009] To: PSARC-ext@sun.com Cc: i18n-discuss@opensolaris.org Message-id: <200906041838.n54Ic3Iu003792@sac.sfbay.sun.com> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 Status: RO Content-Length: 2982 Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.68 02/23/09 SMI This information is Copyright 2009 Sun Microsystems 1. Introduction 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: EOF of @euro locales 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: Author: Jan Hnatek 1.3 Date of This Document: 04 June, 2009 4. Technical Description OVERVIEW Solaris contains @euro locale variants for 24 locales and they were created for the transition period before the corresponding EU countries changed their official currency to euro. All countries, with one exception of Czech Republic, now use euro as their official currency. Currently, the contents of the locales for these 23 countries are identical to their @euro variants. Therefore, the @euro locales are no longer needed and with this project, we would like to remove them through the EOF process. DETAILS ON THE EOF Once approved by ARC and Solaris P-Team, we will do the EOF announcement at an S10 UR Release Notes and do the EOF execution at Navada/OpenSolaris. The EOF announcement will point out the @euro locales, with the exception of cs_CZ.UTF-8@euro, are obsolete and users should select the non-variant locales. PROPOSED INTERFACES & RELEASE BINDING Interface Classification Note --------- -------------- ---- /usr/lib/locale/ca_ES.ISO8859-15@euro Obsolete Commited (1) /usr/lib/locale/da_DK.ISO8859-15@euro Obsolete Commited (1) /usr/lib/locale/de_AT.ISO8859-15@euro Obsolete Commited (1) /usr/lib/locale/de_DE.ISO8859-15@euro Obsolete Commited (1) /usr/lib/locale/de_DE.UTF-8@euro Obsolete Commited (1) /usr/lib/locale/el_GR.ISO8859-7@euro Obsolete Commited (1) /usr/lib/locale/en_GB.ISO8859-15@euro Obsolete Commited (1) /usr/lib/locale/en_IE.ISO8859-15@euro Obsolete Commited (1) /usr/lib/locale/en_US.ISO8859-15@euro Obsolete Commited (1) /usr/lib/locale/es_ES.ISO8859-15@euro Obsolete Commited (1) /usr/lib/locale/es_ES.UTF-8@euro Obsolete Commited (1) /usr/lib/locale/fi_FI.ISO8859-15@euro Obsolete Commited (1) /usr/lib/locale/fr_BE.ISO8859-15@euro Obsolete Commited (1) /usr/lib/locale/fr_BE.UTF-8@euro Obsolete Commited (1) /usr/lib/locale/fr_FR.ISO8859-15@euro Obsolete Commited (1) /usr/lib/locale/fr_FR.UTF-8@euro Obsolete Commited (1) /usr/lib/locale/it_IT.ISO8859-15@euro Obsolete Commited (1) /usr/lib/locale/it_IT.UTF-8@euro Obsolete Commited (1) /usr/lib/locale/nl_BE.ISO8859-15@euro Obsolete Commited (1) /usr/lib/locale/nl_NL.ISO8859-15@euro Obsolete Commited (1) /usr/lib/locale/pt_PT.ISO8859-15@euro Obsolete Commited (1) /usr/lib/locale/sv_SE.ISO8859-15@euro Obsolete Commited (1) /usr/lib/locale/sv_SE.UTF-8@euro Obsolete Commited (1) (1) OS locale directory and the corresponding locale name. The project team proposes Micro/Patch release binding for EOF announcement and Minor for EOF execution. 6. Resources and Schedule 6.4. Steering Committee requested information 6.4.1. Consolidation C-team Name: G11N 6.5. ARC review type: FastTrack 6.6. ARC Exposure: open From Darren.Moffat@sun.com Thu Jun 4 11:44:29 2009 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n54IiTo3003973 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 11:44:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n54IiSuV054479 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 12:44:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KKQ005039E3WJ00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 04 Jun 2009 11:44:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gmp-eb-inf-2.sun.com ([192.18.6.24]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KKQ00LD29E1SFB0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 04 Jun 2009 11:44:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-emea-09.sun.com (gmp-eb-lb-1-fe3.eu.sun.com [192.18.6.10]) by gmp-eb-inf-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n54IiObN028794 for ; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 18:44:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-emea-09.sun.com by fe-emea-09.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 64bit (built Apr 16 2009)) id <0KKQ004009CAZR00@fe-emea-09.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:44:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from [129.156.173.199] ([unknown] [129.156.173.199]) by fe-emea-09.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 64bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0KKQ004Q69E0VKA0@fe-emea-09.sun.com>; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:44:24 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:44:24 +0100 From: Darren J Moffat Subject: Re: EOF of @euro locales [PSARC/2009/342 FastTrack timeout 06/11/2009] In-reply-to: <200906041838.n54Ic3Iu003792@sac.sfbay.sun.com> Sender: Darren.Moffat@sun.com To: Ienup Sung Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, i18n-discuss@opensolaris.org Message-id: <4A281608.1030500@Sun.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200906041838.n54Ic3Iu003792@sac.sfbay.sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20090127) Status: RO Content-Length: 1818 Ienup Sung wrote: > Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.68 02/23/09 SMI > This information is Copyright 2009 Sun Microsystems > 1. Introduction > 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: > EOF of @euro locales > 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: > Author: Jan Hnatek > 1.3 Date of This Document: > 04 June, 2009 > 4. Technical Description > > OVERVIEW > > Solaris contains @euro locale variants for 24 locales and they were > created for the transition period before the corresponding EU countries > changed their official currency to euro. > > All countries, with one exception of Czech Republic, now use euro as their > official currency. Currently, the contents of the locales for these 23 > countries are identical to their @euro variants. That isn't correct, the UK is not a Euro currency country and in fact the @euro variant is likely needed in the UK more than other countries because some people trade in both Sterling and Euro. > Therefore, the @euro locales are no longer needed and with this project, > we would like to remove them through the EOF process. I'm happy for all but en_GB@euro to be removed. I can't say wither the Czech Republic one would be useful or not but I know the en_GB@euro is, in theory useful (I can't though say if anyone actually uses it). > /usr/lib/locale/en_GB.ISO8859-15@euro Obsolete Commited (1) GB (including Northern Ireland) is not a Euro currency country. We haven't even got a single physical currency instantiation within the UK yet (Scotland has 3 sets of bank notes, Northern Ireland has a set and there is the "official" Bank of England set). > /usr/lib/locale/en_IE.ISO8859-15@euro Obsolete Commited (1) IE (aka Eire, aka Ireland (not to be confused with Northern Ireland)) is a Euro currency country. -- Darren J Moffat From Joerg.Schilling9ab33xy531fokus.fraunhofer.de@bounce.antispameurope.com Thu Jun 4 12:08:55 2009 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n54J8rC7019589 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 12:08:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n54J8nmn029143 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 20:08:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KKQ00L0JAIQ0A00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 04 Jun 2009 12:08:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.98.43]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KKQ00HYDAIPSZC0@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 04 Jun 2009 12:08:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay43i.sun.com ([192.5.209.74]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n54J2WwN005925 for ; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:08:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mmp43es.mmp.us.syntegra.com ([160.41.221.12] [160.41.221.12]) by relay43i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-5764585 for PSARC-ext@sun.com; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:08:48 +0000 (Z) Received: from relay41i.sun.com (relay41i.sun.com [192.5.209.70]) by mmp43es.mmp.us.syntegra.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-18759276 for PSARC-ext@sun.com; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:08:46 +0000 (Z) Received: from relay02-haj2.antispameurope.com ([83.246.65.52] [83.246.65.52]) by relay4i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-19904377 for PSARC-ext@sun.com; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:08:46 +0000 (Z) Received: by relay02-haj2.antispameurope.com (ASE-Secure-MTA, from userid 1000) id DEF2B6F0552; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:08:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de [195.37.77.164]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by relay02-haj2.antispameurope.com (ASE-Secure-MTA) with ESMTP id 60DD76F0550; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:08:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de (bohr.fokus.fraunhofer.de [10.147.9.231]) by pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (8.14.2/8.13.7) with SMTP id n54J8iVh027460; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:08:44 +0200 (MEST) Received: from rigel ([10.147.65.195]) by EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:08:44 +0200 Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:08:44 +0200 From: Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Subject: Re: EOF of @euro locales [PSARC/2009/342 FastTrack timeout 06/11/2009] In-reply-to: <4A281608.1030500@Sun.COM> Sender: Joerg.Schilling9ab33xy531fokus.fraunhofer.de@bounce.antispameurope.com To: is@sac.sfbay.sun.com, Darren.Moffat@sun.com Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, i18n-discuss@opensolaris.org Message-id: <4a281bbc.kx1XNm3iG02vdlYA%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Antispam: No, score=0.0/5.0, scanned in 1.096sec at (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smf-spamd v1.3.1 - http://smfs.sf.net/ References: <200906041838.n54Ic3Iu003792@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <4A281608.1030500@Sun.COM> User-Agent: nail 11.22 3/20/05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jun 2009 19:08:44.0122 (UTC) FILETIME=[E13F23A0:01C9E547] Status: RO Content-Length: 1781 Darren J Moffat wrote: > Ienup Sung wrote: > > Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.68 02/23/09 SMI > > This information is Copyright 2009 Sun Microsystems > > 1. Introduction > > 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: > > EOF of @euro locales > > 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: > > Author: Jan Hnatek > > 1.3 Date of This Document: > > 04 June, 2009 > > 4. Technical Description > > > > OVERVIEW > > > > Solaris contains @euro locale variants for 24 locales and they were > > created for the transition period before the corresponding EU countries > > changed their official currency to euro. > > > > All countries, with one exception of Czech Republic, now use euro as their > > official currency. Currently, the contents of the locales for these 23 > > countries are identical to their @euro variants. > > That isn't correct, the UK is not a Euro currency country and in fact > the @euro variant is likely needed in the UK more than other countries > because some people trade in both Sterling and Euro. Let me be more correct: - There are 28 countries in the EU - There are 19 different sets of Euro coins (2 sets for Italy as Italy and Vatikan don't share the same coins). Well known Euro ignorants are: - GB (they believe they need to drive on the right side when they change ;-) - Czech republic - Danmark .... Others like to get the Euro. BTW: Greece did give up the oldest currency (Drachme) for the Euro. Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) joerg.schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From Darren.Moffat@sun.com Thu Jun 4 12:14:20 2009 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n54JEJEW002695 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 12:14:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n54JEErH024557 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 03:14:18 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KKQ00A05ARTJ600@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 04 Jun 2009 13:14:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from gmp-eb-inf-2.sun.com ([192.18.6.24]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KKQ0024KARSLX50@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 04 Jun 2009 13:14:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fe-emea-09.sun.com (gmp-eb-lb-1-fe3.eu.sun.com [192.18.6.10]) by gmp-eb-inf-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n54JEGI4029979 for ; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:14:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-emea-09.sun.com by fe-emea-09.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 64bit (built Apr 16 2009)) id <0KKQ00K00AFQTN00@fe-emea-09.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:14:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from [129.156.173.199] ([unknown] [129.156.173.199]) by fe-emea-09.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 64bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0KKQ004U6ARSVKA0@fe-emea-09.sun.com>; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:14:16 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:14:16 +0100 From: Darren J Moffat Subject: Re: EOF of @euro locales [PSARC/2009/342 FastTrack timeout 06/11/2009] In-reply-to: <4a281bbc.kx1XNm3iG02vdlYA%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Sender: Darren.Moffat@sun.com To: Joerg Schilling Cc: is@sac.sfbay.sun.com, PSARC-ext@sun.com, i18n-discuss@opensolaris.org Message-id: <4A281D08.1000401@Sun.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200906041838.n54Ic3Iu003792@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <4A281608.1030500@Sun.COM> <4a281bbc.kx1XNm3iG02vdlYA%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (X11/20090127) Status: RO Content-Length: 1590 Joerg Schilling wrote: > Darren J Moffat wrote: > >> Ienup Sung wrote: >>> Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.68 02/23/09 SMI >>> This information is Copyright 2009 Sun Microsystems >>> 1. Introduction >>> 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: >>> EOF of @euro locales >>> 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: >>> Author: Jan Hnatek >>> 1.3 Date of This Document: >>> 04 June, 2009 >>> 4. Technical Description >>> >>> OVERVIEW >>> >>> Solaris contains @euro locale variants for 24 locales and they were >>> created for the transition period before the corresponding EU countries >>> changed their official currency to euro. >>> >>> All countries, with one exception of Czech Republic, now use euro as their >>> official currency. Currently, the contents of the locales for these 23 >>> countries are identical to their @euro variants. >> That isn't correct, the UK is not a Euro currency country and in fact >> the @euro variant is likely needed in the UK more than other countries >> because some people trade in both Sterling and Euro. > > Let me be more correct: > > - There are 28 countries in the EU > > - There are 19 different sets of Euro coins (2 sets for Italy > as Italy and Vatikan don't share the same coins). > > Well known Euro ignorants are: No need to get offensive, lets keep the real world political opinions out of this case (even if it is MEP election day (at least it is in the UK) today) and stick to the facts of wither or not the @euro variants of the locales still have a use or not. -- Darren J Moffat From Ienup.Sung@sun.com Thu Jun 4 12:22:12 2009 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n54JMCHB002770 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 12:22:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n54JM9oK010978 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:22:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KKQ00803B4Z6C00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.Com); Thu, 04 Jun 2009 12:22:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.43.132]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KKQ00LETB4ZSJD0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.Com); Thu, 04 Jun 2009 12:22:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-09.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n54JMB53012225 for ; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 12:22:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-09.sun.com by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 64bit (built Apr 16 2009)) id <0KKQ00D00B426M00@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@Sun.Com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.Com); Thu, 04 Jun 2009 12:22:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.93] ([unknown] [129.150.241.194]) by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 64bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0KKQ00BFKB4YKJE0@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@Sun.Com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.Com); Thu, 04 Jun 2009 12:22:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 12:19:40 -0700 From: Ienup Sung Subject: Re: EOF of @euro locales [PSARC/2009/342 FastTrack timeout 06/11/2009] In-reply-to: <4A281608.1030500@Sun.COM> Sender: Ienup.Sung@sun.com To: PSARC-ext@sun.com Cc: i18n-discuss@opensolaris.org Reply-to: Ienup.Sung@sun.com Message-id: <4A281E4C.3070609@sun.com> Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200906041838.n54Ic3Iu003792@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <4A281608.1030500@Sun.COM> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081010) Status: RO Content-Length: 560 Darren J Moffat wrote at 06/04/09 11:44: > That isn't correct, the UK is not a Euro currency country and in fact > the @euro variant is likely needed in the UK more than other countries > because some people trade in both Sterling and Euro. I also believe it is an error, Darren, that en_GB.ISO8859-15@euro is proposed to be obsoleted. That will be premature. I removed the en_GB.ISO8859-15@euro from the list and placed the accordingly updated spec.txt at the materials directory of the case. Consider the spec properly amended regarding to this. Ienup From Ienup.Sung@Sun.COM Thu Jun 4 12:57:03 2009 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n54Jv2PF003671 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 12:57:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n54JumEZ016427 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 03:57:02 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KKQ00601CR0YN00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 04 Jun 2009 12:57:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.43.133]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KKQ004UMCR0RW30@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 04 Jun 2009 12:57:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-09.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n54Jv0aJ028066 for ; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 12:57:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-09.sun.com by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 64bit (built Apr 16 2009)) id <0KKQ00600CKAOZ00@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 04 Jun 2009 12:57:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.93] ([unknown] [129.150.241.194]) by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 64bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0KKQ00NO2CQZ3M90@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 04 Jun 2009 12:57:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 12:54:29 -0700 From: Ienup Sung Subject: Re: EOF of @euro locales [PSARC/2009/342 FastTrack timeout 06/11/2009] In-reply-to: <4a281bbc.kx1XNm3iG02vdlYA%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Sender: Ienup.Sung@Sun.COM To: PSARC-ext@Sun.COM Cc: i18n-discuss@opensolaris.org Reply-to: Ienup.Sung@Sun.COM Message-id: <4A282675.9040403@sun.com> Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_WQZUW9Dw3OGeRXRfFdIJOQ)" X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200906041838.n54Ic3Iu003792@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <4A281608.1030500@Sun.COM> <4a281bbc.kx1XNm3iG02vdlYA%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081010) Status: RO Content-Length: 3256 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_WQZUW9Dw3OGeRXRfFdIJOQ) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Joerg Schilling wrote at 06/04/09 12:08: > - Danmark You're correct, Jörg, that Denmark and Sweden are also another EU countries that would be premature to remove the @euro locales. In addition to them, I've also removed en_US.ISO8859-15@euro from the list so that the project team will not obsolete them in error. The updated spec.txt has been placed into the materials directory of the case and attached in this email. Ienup --Boundary_(ID_WQZUW9Dw3OGeRXRfFdIJOQ) Content-type: text/plain; name=spec.txt Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline; filename=spec.txt EOF of @euro locales -------------------- OVERVIEW Solaris contains @euro locale variants for 24 locales and the most of them were created for the transition period before the corresponding EU countries changed their official currency to euro. All countries, with four exceptions of Czech Republic, Denmark, Sweden, and U.K., now use euro as their official currency and the locale definitions are the same between the @euro and non-@euro locales. Another exception case is en_US.ISO8859-15@euro locale which we would like to keep. With this project, the project team would like to remove the @euro locales sans the noted exception case locales following the EOF process. DETAILS ON THE EOF Once approved by ARC and Solaris P-Team, we will do the EOF announcement at an S10 UR Release Notes and do the EOF execution at Navada/OpenSolaris. The EOF announcement will point out the @euro locales, with the exceptions of cs_CZ.UTF-8@euro, da_DK.ISO8859-15@euro, en_GB.ISO8859-15@euro, en_US.ISO8859-15@euro, sv_SE.ISO8859-15@euro, and sv_SE.UTF-8@euro are obsolete and users should select the non-variant locales. PROPOSED INTERFACES & RELEASE BINDING Interface Classification Note --------- -------------- ---- /usr/lib/locale/ca_ES.ISO8859-15@euro Obsolete Commited (1) /usr/lib/locale/de_AT.ISO8859-15@euro Obsolete Commited (1) /usr/lib/locale/de_DE.ISO8859-15@euro Obsolete Commited (1) /usr/lib/locale/de_DE.UTF-8@euro Obsolete Commited (1) /usr/lib/locale/el_GR.ISO8859-7@euro Obsolete Commited (1) /usr/lib/locale/en_IE.ISO8859-15@euro Obsolete Commited (1) /usr/lib/locale/es_ES.ISO8859-15@euro Obsolete Commited (1) /usr/lib/locale/es_ES.UTF-8@euro Obsolete Commited (1) /usr/lib/locale/fi_FI.ISO8859-15@euro Obsolete Commited (1) /usr/lib/locale/fr_BE.ISO8859-15@euro Obsolete Commited (1) /usr/lib/locale/fr_BE.UTF-8@euro Obsolete Commited (1) /usr/lib/locale/fr_FR.ISO8859-15@euro Obsolete Commited (1) /usr/lib/locale/fr_FR.UTF-8@euro Obsolete Commited (1) /usr/lib/locale/it_IT.ISO8859-15@euro Obsolete Commited (1) /usr/lib/locale/it_IT.UTF-8@euro Obsolete Commited (1) /usr/lib/locale/nl_BE.ISO8859-15@euro Obsolete Commited (1) /usr/lib/locale/nl_NL.ISO8859-15@euro Obsolete Commited (1) /usr/lib/locale/pt_PT.ISO8859-15@euro Obsolete Commited (1) (1) OS locale directory and the corresponding locale name. The project team proposes Micro/Patch release binding for EOF announcement and Minor for EOF execution. --Boundary_(ID_WQZUW9Dw3OGeRXRfFdIJOQ)-- From asyropoulos@yahoo.com Thu Jun 4 13:36:32 2009 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n54KaVjj004382 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:36:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n54KaT0b056153 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:36:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KKQ00C03EKVL400@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.COM); Thu, 04 Jun 2009 13:36:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sca-ea-mail-3.sun.com ([192.18.43.21]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KKQ00A73EKU9S30@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.COM); Thu, 04 Jun 2009 13:36:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay44i.sun.com ([192.5.209.118]) by sca-ea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n54KaTHN020950 for ; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:36:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mmp42es.mmp.us.syntegra.com ([160.41.221.11] [160.41.221.11]) by relay44i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-306657 for PSARC-ext@Sun.COM; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:36:29 +0000 (Z) Received: from relay45i.sun.com (relay45i.sun.com [192.5.209.94]) by mmp42es.mmp.us.syntegra.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-19228849 for PSARC-ext@Sun.COM; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:36:29 +0000 (Z) Received: from web110106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com ([67.195.8.158] [67.195.8.158]) by relay4i.sun.com id BT-MMP-21207623 for PSARC-ext@Sun.COM; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:36:29 +0000 (Z) Received: (qmail 23426 invoked by uid 60001); Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:36:15 +0000 Received: from [79.107.196.192] by web110106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 13:36:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 13:36:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Apostolos Syropoulos Subject: Re: [i18n-discuss] EOF of @euro locales [PSARC/2009/342 FastTrack timeout 06/11/2009] In-reply-to: <4A281D08.1000401@Sun.COM> To: i18n-discuss@opensolaris.org, PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <39726.23205.qm@web110106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1277.43 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1244147775; bh=b5vVCgdjkvuzo7XgiWjcX+SFNGZ2H+1m6sJgGbrCjm4=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0ZGG+/NHcP2ekvU1qX/fUMzaQBhi/qkvCDLpSpAAnSb1Jk3em6Vjwr6Ib8CVFoDGcFiFoZ3Xs2Cc5l8efCoA6kTrYAx9msiH8+4kKo1mhgK1TmzyESVXNT1T/SMjTHV30bU6TpB8Tjma33+ngpTP4NU/kI6qD/g9lFgGnopjX/w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=2+SOxF1p39tiTnp1TFhaZauJ7Sd+Q3rq41s5+ts7kfjXDr+bhyfthb+FsibWBNT94wyVpcIwThRIW2oDsnhjwyN2bxjKyqfU3CLoL+wXjADCbNzBXQpfBLw1h4yoZ7qjhMA58ot8rb+SERzZxW2lBmezSrgPl440/uQ6Ugho/dQ=; X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-YMail-OSG: a_sbHkMVM1m4pzxNv7xdlDndmZgZcxuqPxdA3535XCF_qJQCgTKpX4b1fuB5eTbbwatzoY4csHWqJP.1Tmgkxp5GlRX3RZETdzHDI_0oE.ki9sVKhNl.xZCStq_aMERVcAyi25PgXM85tDnGJUqzY7G7Tkibv_uF1WmZdrRQ4CzZTkxgJ0QHmdfJ2Sg7RLlQsiN1.PMGs9_YIa0Fro9CtmZSlYUr2WScmT.qHR7OAvApC2ij0Lw74Kx1Y4ni7WApnsM03jQzfSJ0AV6M42t.0F8Q9sIkc2rgILtZwbj4zWbFbL_7EJZquoKvU_hp9rdL9ddUjg-- X-Antispam: No, score=0.0/5.0, scanned in 0.060sec at (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smf-spamd v1.3.1 - http://smfs.sf.net/ References: <200906041838.n54Ic3Iu003792@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <4A281608.1030500@Sun.COM> <4a281bbc.kx1XNm3iG02vdlYA%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4A281D08.1000401@Sun.COM> Status: RO Content-Length: 853 > > - There are 28 countries in the EU No they are 27! Monaco, Vatican City and San Marino are not members of the EU but they have their own Euro coins. Andorra will possibly issue Euro coins later this year. > No need to get offensive, lets keep the real world political opinions out of > this case (even if it is MEP election day (at least it is in the UK) today) and > stick to the facts of wither or not the @euro variants of the locales still have > a use or not. Indeed, I agree. But in my opinion there is no need for a UK@euro locale. For example, if country X has trade relations with India then should we introduce a locale for this country with support for the Indian currency? In other words, this is a real problem that has to be resolved accordingly. A.S. ---------------------- Apostolos Syropoulos Xanthi, Greece From Nicolas.Williams@sun.com Thu Jun 4 13:51:41 2009 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n54KpeGm004417 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:51:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n54KpZfV016307 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 04:51:39 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KKQ00D0HFA2JN00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 04 Jun 2009 13:51:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from binky.Central.Sun.COM ([129.153.128.104]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KKQ00AMRFA19Y30@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 04 Jun 2009 13:51:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from binky.Central.Sun.COM (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by binky.Central.Sun.COM (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n54KfhtS002428; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 15:41:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from nw141292@localhost) by binky.Central.Sun.COM (8.14.3+Sun/8.14.3/Submit) id n54KfhvY002427; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 15:41:43 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 15:41:43 -0500 From: Nicolas Williams Subject: Re: [i18n-discuss] EOF of @euro locales [PSARC/2009/342 FastTrack timeout 06/11/2009] In-reply-to: <39726.23205.qm@web110106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> To: Apostolos Syropoulos Cc: i18n-discuss@opensolaris.org, PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <20090604204143.GF1049@Sun.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200906041838.n54Ic3Iu003792@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <4A281608.1030500@Sun.COM> <4a281bbc.kx1XNm3iG02vdlYA%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4A281D08.1000401@Sun.COM> <39726.23205.qm@web110106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-Authentication-warning: binky.Central.Sun.COM: nw141292 set sender to Nicolas.Williams@sun.com using -f User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i Status: RO Content-Length: 487 On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 01:36:14PM -0700, Apostolos Syropoulos wrote: > Indeed, I agree. But in my opinion there is no need for a UK@euro locale. > For example, if country X has trade relations with India then should we > introduce a locale for this country with support for the Indian currency? > > In other words, this is a real problem that has to be resolved accordingly. It's easiest to resolve by EOFing all non-Unicode locales. But that's not necessarily a practical solution. From Joerg.Schilling9ab33xy531fokus.fraunhofer.de@bounce.antispameurope.com Thu Jun 4 14:08:55 2009 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n54L8reA004954 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:08:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n54L8ijD025727 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 05:08:53 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KKQ00L15G2ST600@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 04 Jun 2009 15:08:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.98.43]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KKQ00LAWG2PKC00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 04 Jun 2009 15:08:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay41i.sun.com ([192.5.209.70]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n54L3HPc028292 for ; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:08:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mms49es.mms.us.syntegra.com ([160.41.221.232] [160.41.221.232]) by relay41i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-5778716 for PSARC-ext@sun.com; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:08:46 +0000 (Z) Received: from relay43i.sun.com (relay43i.sun.com [192.5.209.74]) by mms49es.mms.us.syntegra.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-18940472 for PSARC-ext@sun.com; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:08:46 +0000 (Z) Received: from relay02-haj2.antispameurope.com ([83.246.65.52] [83.246.65.52]) by relay4i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-20357425 for PSARC-ext@sun.com; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 21:08:46 +0000 (Z) Received: by relay02-haj2.antispameurope.com (ASE-Secure-MTA, from userid 1000) id D507A6F04F5; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 23:08:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de [195.37.77.164]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by relay02-haj2.antispameurope.com (ASE-Secure-MTA) with ESMTP id 682576F04F4; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 23:08:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de (bohr.fokus.fraunhofer.de [10.147.9.231]) by pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (8.14.2/8.13.7) with SMTP id n54L8iAw028867; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 23:08:44 +0200 (MEST) Received: from rigel ([10.147.65.195]) by EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 04 Jun 2009 23:08:43 +0200 Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 23:08:43 +0200 From: Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Subject: Re: [i18n-discuss] EOF of @euro locales [PSARC/2009/342 FastTrack timeout 06/11/2009] In-reply-to: <20090604204143.GF1049@Sun.COM> Sender: Joerg.Schilling9ab33xy531fokus.fraunhofer.de@bounce.antispameurope.com To: Nicolas.Williams@sun.com, asyropoulos@yahoo.com Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, i18n-discuss@opensolaris.org Message-id: <4a2837db.rAZQM7s0UjRqGYe9%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Antispam: No, score=0.0/5.0, scanned in 0.365sec at (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smf-spamd v1.3.1 - http://smfs.sf.net/ References: <200906041838.n54Ic3Iu003792@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <4A281608.1030500@Sun.COM> <4a281bbc.kx1XNm3iG02vdlYA%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4A281D08.1000401@Sun.COM> <39726.23205.qm@web110106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20090604204143.GF1049@Sun.COM> User-Agent: nail 11.22 3/20/05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jun 2009 21:08:43.0933 (UTC) FILETIME=[A4AB1CD0:01C9E558] Status: RO Content-Length: 585 Nicolas Williams wrote: > It's easiest to resolve by EOFing all non-Unicode locales. But that's > not necessarily a practical solution. /usr/bin/vi is listed as "non multi byte enabled", you would need to change at least this program...., there are others. Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) joerg.schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From Ienup.Sung@sun.com Thu Jun 4 14:08:57 2009 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n54L8vx6004958 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 14:08:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n54L8dgh009327 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:08:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KKQ00E19G2WK900@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:08:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.43.133]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KKQ00AAOG2W9U40@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:08:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n54L8uKD005965 for ; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:08:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 64bit (built Apr 16 2009)) id <0KKQ00B00FU89D00@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:08:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.93] ([unknown] [129.150.241.194]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 64bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0KKQ007FGG2R8SF0@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:08:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:06:22 -0700 From: Ienup Sung Subject: Re: [i18n-discuss] EOF of @euro locales [PSARC/2009/342 FastTrack timeout 06/11/2009] In-reply-to: <39726.23205.qm@web110106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Sender: Ienup.Sung@sun.com To: PSARC-ext@sun.com Cc: i18n-discuss@opensolaris.org Reply-to: Ienup.Sung@sun.com Message-id: <4A28374E.8030303@sun.com> Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200906041838.n54Ic3Iu003792@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <4A281608.1030500@Sun.COM> <4a281bbc.kx1XNm3iG02vdlYA%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4A281D08.1000401@Sun.COM> <39726.23205.qm@web110106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081010) Status: RO Content-Length: 372 Apostolos Syropoulos wrote at 06/04/09 13:36: > Indeed, I agree. But in my opinion there is no need for a UK@euro locale. We added en_GB.ISO8859-15@euro due to actual and real market requirement if my memory serves me correct. Hence we should have and keep it until it is no longer needed. It was simply an error to propose to remove it in the initial proposal. Ienup From Joerg.Schilling9ab33xy531fokus.fraunhofer.de@bounce.antispameurope.com Fri Jun 5 03:04:28 2009 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n55A4Rd3010544 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 03:04:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n55A4J7k019528 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 11:04:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KKR00603FZB1900@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Fri, 05 Jun 2009 03:04:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com ([192.18.98.36]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KKR000ROFZBY4D0@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Fri, 05 Jun 2009 03:04:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay14i.sun.com (ip124.net129179-4.block1.us.syntegra.com [129.179.4.124]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n559i9QY020880 for ; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 10:04:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mmp11es.mmp.us.syntegra.com ([160.41.208.11] [160.41.208.11]) by relay14i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-2474471 for PSARC-ext@sun.com; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 10:04:22 +0000 (Z) Received: from relay14i.sun.com (relay14i.sun.com [129.179.4.124]) by mmp11es.mmp.us.syntegra.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-65874460 for PSARC-ext@sun.com; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 10:04:20 +0000 (Z) Received: from relay01-haj2.antispameurope.com ([83.246.65.51] [83.246.65.51]) by relay1i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-28418242 for PSARC-ext@sun.com; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 10:04:19 +0000 (Z) Received: by relay01-haj2.antispameurope.com (ASE-Secure-MTA, from userid 1000) id 18EAF160033; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 12:04:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de [195.37.77.164]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by relay01-haj2.antispameurope.com (ASE-Secure-MTA) with ESMTP id 20477160029; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 12:04:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de (bohr.fokus.fraunhofer.de [10.147.9.231]) by pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (8.14.2/8.13.7) with SMTP id n55A3UMS023574; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 12:03:50 +0200 (MEST) Received: from rigel ([10.147.65.195]) by EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 05 Jun 2009 12:02:58 +0200 Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 12:02:58 +0200 From: Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Subject: Re: EOF of @euro locales [PSARC/2009/342 FastTrack timeout 06/11/2009] In-reply-to: <4A281D08.1000401@Sun.COM> Sender: Joerg.Schilling9ab33xy531fokus.fraunhofer.de@bounce.antispameurope.com To: Darren.Moffat@sun.com Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com, is@sac.sfbay.sun.com, i18n-discuss@opensolaris.org Message-id: <4a28ed52.DjmVgp9Tl2DVH/0T%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Antispam: No, score=0.0/5.0, scanned in 2.088sec at (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smf-spamd v1.3.1 - http://smfs.sf.net/ References: <200906041838.n54Ic3Iu003792@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <4A281608.1030500@Sun.COM> <4a281bbc.kx1XNm3iG02vdlYA%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4A281D08.1000401@Sun.COM> User-Agent: nail 11.22 3/20/05 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jun 2009 10:02:58.0474 (UTC) FILETIME=[CDBB88A0:01C9E5C4] Status: RO Content-Length: 516 Darren J Moffat wrote: > > Well known Euro ignorants are: > > No need to get offensive, lets keep the real world political opinions It seems that you are missing a certain sense of humor..... Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) joerg.schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily From sacadmin Fri Jun 12 16:12:19 2009 Received: from dm-sfbay-01.sfbay.sun.com (dm-sfbay-01.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.118]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n5CNCJgG017433 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:12:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (sca-es-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.43.133]) by dm-sfbay-01.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n5CNCJ1p048500 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:12:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n5CNCE5i021989 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:12:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 64bit (built Apr 16 2009)) id <0KL500B00EO3T300@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> for psarc-record@sac.sfbay.sun.com; Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:12:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.93] ([unknown] [129.150.0.134]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 64bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0KL500IB4F443980@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> for psarc-record@sac.sfbay.sun.com; Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:12:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:09:21 -0700 From: Ienup Sung Subject: [Fwd: Re: EOF of @euro locales [PSARC/2009/342 FastTrack timeout 06/11/2009]] Sender: Ienup.Sung@Sun.COM To: psarc-record@sac.sfbay.sun.com Reply-to: Ienup.Sung@Sun.COM Message-id: <4A32E021.2070106@sun.com> Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081010) Status: RO Content-Length: 760 Due to the project.db file wasn't updated properly, the following email wasn't archived. So, I'm re-sending the email to psarc-record@sac.sfbay to properly archive the message after the project.db file update. Ienup -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: EOF of @euro locales [PSARC/2009/342 FastTrack timeout 06/11/2009] Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:05:00 -0700 From: Ienup Sung Reply-To: Ienup.Sung@Sun.COM Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. To: PSARC-ext@sun.com CC: i18n-discuss@opensolaris.org, Jan.Hnatek@Sun.COM I'm marking this case closed approved since the timer expired and two raised issues (one from a PSARC member) are resolved. The final "spec.txt" can be found from the materials directory of the case. Ienup