From gd78059@sac.sfbay.sun.com Tue Oct 27 11:04:01 2009 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n9RI401l011762 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:04:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n9RI3weR028742; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:04:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KS600809Q6NWJ00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:03:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm-sfbay-01.sfbay.sun.com ([129.145.155.118]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KS6007M9Q6NKL30@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com>; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:03:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sac.sfbay.sun.com (sac.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.226.132]) by dm-sfbay-01.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.4) with ESMTP id n9RI3x6I023911; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:03:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sac.sfbay.sun.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n9RI3vAw011749; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:03:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gd78059@localhost) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/Submit) id n9RI3veG011745; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:03:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:03:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "Garrett D'Amore - sun microsystems" Subject: EOF of graph and spline [PSARC/2009/585 FastTrack timeout 11/10/2009] To: PSARC-ext@sun.com Cc: Garrett.Damore@sun.com Message-id: <200910271803.n9RI3veG011745@sac.sfbay.sun.com> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 Status: RO Content-Length: 2324 (This case deals specifically with the spline and graph utilities. graph was also discussed in PSARC 2009/540, but because I found ways it could still technically be used, I've elected to run a separate case just for these utilities to make everything explicit. A separate case to remove the printing infrastructure for plot(4UCB) as well as other legacy formats will follow this one.) Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.68 02/23/09 SMI This information is Copyright 2009 Sun Microsystems 1. Introduction 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: EOF of graph and spline 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: Author: Garrett D'Amore 1.3 Date of This Document: 27 October, 2009 4. Technical Description EOF of graph and spline ----------------------- In the process of preparing to make an official conversion from Solaris LP to the newer (and more familiar, and better maintained) CUPS printing system possible, we discovered two utilities which generate output which *may* be printed using either the "postplot" or "lpr -g" utilites. (Or, using "-Tplot" as the argument to "lp".) The utilities in question are "graph", and also "spline". "graph" generates output in the format specified by plot(4UCB), and we would like to eliminate all support for that format in Solaris. "spline" generates an output which is primarily intended as input into "graph". ("spline"'s output may be usable for other applications as well.) We believe that these utilities are not widely used, and continuing to support them (particulary /usr/bin/graph) creates a challenge when enabling the conversion to the newer CUPS printing system. We therefore would like to propose EOF'ing them in the next minor release. Note that the Open Source community has largely settled on "gnuplot" as the graphing and plotting system of choice. A separate effort to integrate gnuplot into Solaris is underway concurrently. The specific utilities that we would like to remove are: /usr/bin/graph /usr/bin/spline A separate case will deal with removal of the infrastructure in LP to support plot(4UCB) output, and will depend on this case. 6. Resources and Schedule 6.4. Steering Committee requested information 6.4.1. Consolidation C-team Name: ON 6.5. ARC review type: FastTrack 6.6. ARC Exposure: open From Garrett.Damore@sun.com Wed Oct 28 21:18:46 2009 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n9T4Ij7t006116 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:18:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n9T4IgwW017728 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 04:18:44 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KS900A0BDB7AV00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.COM); Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:18:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.43.133]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KS900L6LDB7N6C0@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.COM); Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:18:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n9T4IhRU011909 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:18:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.04 64bit (built Jul 2 2009)) id <0KS900J00CVT6Y00@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@Sun.COM (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.COM); Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:18:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.251.11] ([unknown] [76.93.15.33]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.04 64bit (built Jul 2 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0KS900EWHDB6W3B0@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com>; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:18:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:18:42 -0700 From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: Re: EOF of graph and spline [PSARC/2009/585 FastTrack timeout 11/10/2009] In-reply-to: <200910271803.n9RI3veG011745@sac.sfbay.sun.com> Sender: Garrett.Damore@sun.com To: "Garrett D'Amore - sun microsystems" Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com Reply-to: Garrett.Damore@sun.com Message-id: <4AE917A2.80800@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200910271803.n9RI3veG011745@sac.sfbay.sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090909) Status: RO Content-Length: 3537 Well, it turns out that this case is going to be bigger than I at first believed. But perhaps also simpler. Our utilities are ancient and crufty here. But GNU has a much more modern set of utilities, and also has replacements for libplot and friends: http://www.gnu.org/software/plotutils/ I think I want to look at this case in a bit more detail... what it looks like we ought to do is: a) remove ON's spline, graph, and libplot b) deliver GNU plotutils One question remains a bit outstanding though, which is whether libplot provides binary compatibility. There's also the question of the C++ library that plotutils supports. I'm not sure what the "official" compilation suite we support at the moment is -- and what C++ libraries libplotter imports... this will require more investigation. I'm going to leave this case open for now. Probably the spec needs to include a full spec for importing GNU plotutils and replacing our legacy bits. Maybe its time for me to start figuring out the SFW delivery mechanisms as well. - Garrett Garrett D'Amore - sun microsystems wrote: > (This case deals specifically with the spline and graph utilities. graph > was also discussed in PSARC 2009/540, but because I found ways it could > still technically be used, I've elected to run a separate case just for > these utilities to make everything explicit. A separate case to remove > the printing infrastructure for plot(4UCB) as well as other legacy formats > will follow this one.) > > Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.68 02/23/09 SMI > This information is Copyright 2009 Sun Microsystems > 1. Introduction > 1.1. Project/Component Working Name: > EOF of graph and spline > 1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier: > Author: Garrett D'Amore > 1.3 Date of This Document: > 27 October, 2009 > 4. Technical Description > EOF of graph and spline > ----------------------- > > In the process of preparing to make an official conversion from Solaris LP > to the newer (and more familiar, and better maintained) CUPS printing system > possible, we discovered two utilities which generate output which *may* be > printed using either the "postplot" or "lpr -g" utilites. (Or, using > "-Tplot" as the argument to "lp".) > > The utilities in question are "graph", and also "spline". "graph" generates > output in the format specified by plot(4UCB), and we would like to eliminate > all support for that format in Solaris. "spline" generates an output which > is primarily intended as input into "graph". ("spline"'s output may be > usable for other applications as well.) > > We believe that these utilities are not widely used, and continuing to support > them (particulary /usr/bin/graph) creates a challenge when enabling the > conversion to the newer CUPS printing system. We therefore would like to > propose EOF'ing them in the next minor release. > > Note that the Open Source community has largely settled on "gnuplot" as > the graphing and plotting system of choice. A separate effort to integrate > gnuplot into Solaris is underway concurrently. > > The specific utilities that we would like to remove are: > > /usr/bin/graph > /usr/bin/spline > > A separate case will deal with removal of the infrastructure in LP to support > plot(4UCB) output, and will depend on this case. > > 6. Resources and Schedule > 6.4. Steering Committee requested information > 6.4.1. Consolidation C-team Name: > ON > 6.5. ARC review type: FastTrack > 6.6. ARC Exposure: open > > From carlsonj@workingcode.com Thu Oct 29 04:53:36 2009 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n9TBrZjN023857 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 04:53:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.4) with ESMTP id n9TBrZeY012992; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 04:53:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KS900C05YDBXG00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 05:53:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.98.31]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KS900A4WYDAZ3D0@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com>; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 05:53:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from relay14i.sun.com (ip124.net129179-4.block1.us.syntegra.com [129.179.4.124]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n9TBmC8p010026; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:53:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mmp13es.mmp.us.syntegra.com ([160.41.208.13] [160.41.208.13]) by relay14i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-2107629; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:53:33 +0000 (Z) Received: from relay11i.sun.com (relay11i.sun.com [129.179.4.121]) by mmp13es.mmp.us.syntegra.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-37206486; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:53:33 +0000 (Z) Received: from carlson.workingcode.com ([75.150.68.97] [75.150.68.97]) by relay1i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-27348085; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:53:33 +0000 (Z) Received: from [10.50.24.188] (gate.abinitio.com [65.170.40.132]) (authenticated bits=0) by carlson.workingcode.com (8.14.2+Sun/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n9TBrUlf008366 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 29 Oct 2009 07:53:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 07:53:29 -0400 From: James Carlson Subject: Re: EOF of graph and spline [PSARC/2009/585 FastTrack timeout 11/10/2009] In-reply-to: <4AE917A2.80800@sun.com> To: Garrett.Damore@sun.com Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <4AE98239.1020601@workingcode.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: carlson 1181; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 References: <200910271803.n9RI3veG011745@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <4AE917A2.80800@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090605) Status: RO Content-Length: 385 Garrett D'Amore wrote: > I'm going to leave this case open for now. Probably the spec needs to > include a full spec for importing GNU plotutils and replacing our legacy > bits. This sounds like good stuff to me, but perhaps (particularly with the unsettled parts) getting over the line for a fast-track. -- James Carlson 42.703N 71.076W From Garrett.Damore@sun.com Thu Oct 29 07:00:27 2009 Received: from sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (sunmail4.Singapore.Sun.COM [129.158.71.19]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n9TE0QSP026230 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 07:00:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail4.singapore.sun.com (8.13.4+Sun/8.13.3/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id n9TE0Mof019136 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:00:25 +0800 (SGT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KSA00E2R48O4C00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Oct 2009 07:00:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.43.133]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KSA00CLW48LKR20@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Oct 2009 07:00:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n9TE0LXn024647 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 07:00:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.04 64bit (built Jul 2 2009)) id <0KSA00J003YLKC00@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Oct 2009 07:00:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.251.11] ([unknown] [76.93.15.33]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.04 64bit (built Jul 2 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0KSA00EMS48KTY30@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Thu, 29 Oct 2009 07:00:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 07:00:20 -0700 From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: Re: EOF of graph and spline [PSARC/2009/585 FastTrack timeout 11/10/2009] In-reply-to: <4AE98239.1020601@workingcode.com> Sender: Garrett.Damore@sun.com To: James Carlson Cc: PSARC-ext@sun.com Reply-to: Garrett.Damore@sun.com Message-id: <4AE99FF4.5050600@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200910271803.n9RI3veG011745@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <4AE917A2.80800@sun.com> <4AE98239.1020601@workingcode.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090909) Status: RO Content-Length: 471 James Carlson wrote: > Garrett D'Amore wrote: > >> I'm going to leave this case open for now. Probably the spec needs to >> include a full spec for importing GNU plotutils and replacing our legacy >> bits. >> > > This sounds like good stuff to me, but perhaps (particularly with the > unsettled parts) getting over the line for a fast-track. > > You may be correct. I'm certainly not in any rush to do this -- I'd rather Do The Right Thing. -- Garrett From gdamore@sun.com Thu Oct 29 11:11:57 2009 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n9TIBv1D002577 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:11:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.4) with ESMTP id n9TIBnKs025236 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:11:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KSA00L3LFVW2I00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.COM); Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:11:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.43.132]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KSA00HWSFVCSV20@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.COM); Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:11:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n9TIBWmJ026418 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:11:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.04 64bit (built Jul 2 2009)) id <0KSA00J00F586Y00@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@Sun.COM (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.COM); Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:11:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.251.11] ([unknown] [76.93.15.33]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.04 64bit (built Jul 2 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0KSA00E37FV1OKF0@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@Sun.COM (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.COM); Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:11:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:11:25 -0700 From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: Re: EOF of graph and spline [PSARC/2009/585 FastTrack timeout 11/10/2009] In-reply-to: <4AE99FF4.5050600@sun.com> Sender: Garrett.Damore@sun.com To: Garrett.Damore@sun.com Cc: James Carlson , PSARC-ext@sun.com Message-id: <4AE9DACD.6040808@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200910271803.n9RI3veG011745@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <4AE917A2.80800@sun.com> <4AE98239.1020601@workingcode.com> <4AE99FF4.5050600@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090909) Status: RO Content-Length: 862 Garrett D'Amore wrote: > James Carlson wrote: >> Garrett D'Amore wrote: >> >>> I'm going to leave this case open for now. Probably the spec needs to >>> include a full spec for importing GNU plotutils and replacing our >>> legacy >>> bits. >>> >> >> This sounds like good stuff to me, but perhaps (particularly with the >> unsettled parts) getting over the line for a fast-track. >> >> > You may be correct. I'm certainly not in any rush to do this -- I'd > rather Do The Right Thing. > > -- Garrett > I'm derailing this case now. I'll post an updated spec shortly -- but probably *not* a full 20q document, because while there is at least one potentially contentious issue that I think deserves a vote, the spec itself will be easy to understand without needing a 20q. The case will also be changing titles. Stay tuned. - Garrett From Garrett.Damore@sun.com Thu Oct 29 14:29:06 2009 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n9TLT6mh007139 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:29:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.4) with ESMTP id n9TLT4vO010161 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:29:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KSA00605P0GSH00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.COM); Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:29:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sca-es-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.43.132]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KSA00JOUP0F1SC0@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.COM); Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:29:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id n9TLT39Y018585 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:29:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.04 64bit (built Jul 2 2009)) id <0KSA00M00OSSNC00@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@Sun.COM (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.COM); Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:29:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.251.11] ([unknown] [76.93.15.33]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.04 64bit (built Jul 2 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0KSA0082EP0FJED0@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@Sun.COM (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.COM); Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:29:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:29:02 -0700 From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: Re: EOF of graph and spline [PSARC/2009/585 FastTrack timeout 11/10/2009] In-reply-to: <4AE9DACD.6040808@sun.com> Sender: Garrett.Damore@sun.com To: Garrett.Damore@sun.com Cc: James Carlson , PSARC-ext@sun.com, Asa Romberger Reply-to: Garrett.Damore@sun.com Message-id: <4AEA091E.2050001@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200910271803.n9RI3veG011745@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <4AE917A2.80800@sun.com> <4AE98239.1020601@workingcode.com> <4AE99FF4.5050600@sun.com> <4AE9DACD.6040808@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090909) Status: RO Content-Length: 1833 Okay, I've posted materials; took me a while to write the spec.txt file that captured all the compatibility issues (I also needed to test it!) The materials directory is: gd78059@sac{28}> ls -la materials/ total 1218 drwxr-sr-x 2 gd78059 sac 9 Oct 29 14:24 . drwxrwsr-x 6 gd78059 sac 10 Oct 29 14:22 .. -rw-r--r-- 1 gd78059 sac 7121 Oct 29 14:24 ode.1 -rw-r--r-- 1 gd78059 sac 21378 Oct 29 14:24 plot.1 -rw-r--r-- 1 gd78059 sac 18940 Oct 29 14:24 plotfont.1 -rw-r--r-- 1 gd78059 sac 511924 Oct 29 14:24 plotutils.info -rw-r--r-- 1 gd78059 sac 9955 Oct 29 14:23 spec.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 gd78059 sac 11486 Oct 29 14:24 spline.1 -rw-r--r-- 1 gd78059 sac 18417 Oct 29 14:24 tek2plot.1 The main content is in spec.txt. Asa, can you add this casse to the next available PSARC agenda for this? Thanks. - Garrett Garrett D'Amore wrote: > Garrett D'Amore wrote: >> James Carlson wrote: >>> Garrett D'Amore wrote: >>> >>>> I'm going to leave this case open for now. Probably the spec needs to >>>> include a full spec for importing GNU plotutils and replacing our >>>> legacy >>>> bits. >>>> >>> >>> This sounds like good stuff to me, but perhaps (particularly with the >>> unsettled parts) getting over the line for a fast-track. >>> >>> >> You may be correct. I'm certainly not in any rush to do this -- I'd >> rather Do The Right Thing. >> >> -- Garrett >> > > I'm derailing this case now. I'll post an updated spec shortly -- but > probably *not* a full 20q document, because while there is at least > one potentially contentious issue that I think deserves a vote, the > spec itself will be easy to understand without needing a 20q. The > case will also be changing titles. Stay tuned. > > - Garrett > From gdamore@sun.com Wed Nov 11 13:17:30 2009 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nABLHUZf007076 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:17:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.4) with ESMTP id nABLHUN8019242 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:17:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KSY00I01R55JT00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:17:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from sca-es-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.43.132]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KSY00CP6R55CA60@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:17:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-sfbay-09.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id nABLHTFO000741 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:17:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-09.sun.com by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.04 64bit (built Jul 2 2009)) id <0KSY00200R3UZJ00@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:17:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.251.11] ([unknown] [76.93.15.33]) by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.04 64bit (built Jul 2 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0KSY00E1FR54ZNB0@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:17:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:17:28 -0800 From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: PSARC 2009/585 EOF of graph and spline Sender: Garrett.Damore@sun.com To: PSARC-ext Message-id: <4AFB29E8.2010106@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090909) Status: RO Content-Length: 172 This case, which seeks to replace legacy Sun graph and spline with GNU plotutils, was approved at PSARC today with a TCR. An opinion will be forthcoming. - Garrett From Garrett.Damore@Sun.COM Sun Nov 15 11:08:46 2009 Received: from sunmail5.uk.sun.com (sunmail5.UK.Sun.COM [129.156.85.165]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id nAFJ8jIZ002627 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 11:08:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail5.uk.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id nAFJ8iAK009447 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:08:45 GMT Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0KT500601ZUKB200@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.COM); Sun, 15 Nov 2009 11:08:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from sca-es-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.43.133]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0KT50056UZUJ5GA0@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.COM); Sun, 15 Nov 2009 11:08:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id nAFJ8hK6009050 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 11:08:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.04 64bit (built Jul 2 2009)) id <0KT500800ZI6KV00@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@Sun.COM (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.COM); Sun, 15 Nov 2009 11:08:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.251.11] ([unknown] [76.93.15.33]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.04 64bit (built Jul 2 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0KT5003BIZUI5MC0@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@Sun.COM (ORCPT PSARC-ext@Sun.COM); Sun, 15 Nov 2009 11:08:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 11:08:40 -0800 From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: Re: EOF of graph and spline [PSARC/2009/585 FastTrack timeout 11/10/2009] In-reply-to: <4AEA091E.2050001@sun.com> Sender: Garrett.Damore@Sun.COM To: Garrett.Damore@Sun.COM Cc: James Carlson , PSARC-ext@Sun.COM, Asa Romberger Reply-to: Garrett.Damore@Sun.COM Message-id: <4B0051B8.2020200@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <200910271803.n9RI3veG011745@sac.sfbay.sun.com> <4AE917A2.80800@sun.com> <4AE98239.1020601@workingcode.com> <4AE99FF4.5050600@sun.com> <4AE9DACD.6040808@sun.com> <4AEA091E.2050001@sun.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20091013) Status: RO Content-Length: 5717 In the process of trying to make "sag" work properly with GNU graph, I've found some very unusual things that sag does, to try to hack a plot together using the limited features of "graph". (For example, labelling of data items.) The results are fairly specific to the Tek mode (really only displayable in Xterm), and also fairly ugly. In fact, I had a very difficult time getting it to generate any useful graphs from my sar data at all. (Solaris legacy graph is really really crummy in this regard, but even GNU graph had some challenges trying to contort itself into the knots that sag was trying to tie.) It would be possible to make this work much more elegantly using gnuplot, but would require more effort, and I'm not sure this is the best use of anyone's time. (sag's user interface for setting up plots, etc. is about as badly mis-designed as anything I've run across.) I'm of the opinion that "sag", which is only useful on Solaris, really just needs to be ditched. The good news here is that there is a much better alternative available -- there is a Java product called "kSar" (which is apparently under a BSDish license). http://ksar.atomique.net/index.html This product, in addition to supporting multiple platforms, automatically graphs all sar content in a format that is quite accessible. The tool defaults to an interactive UI, but it supports scripting and can generate several useful formats (PNG, JPG, PDF, HTML, even CSV for input into a spreadsheet). Given all this, I'm inclined to EOF crummy old sag, and advocate replacing it with kSar. While not command-line drop in compatible, I think this is a far far superior replacement to our rather limited old tool set. Before I start a case to EOF sag, I'd like to know if anyone is really attached to crufty old "sag", or knows of any other reasons to object to replacing "sag" with "kSAR"? Thanks. - Garrett The following text includes information about using kSar on the command line: You can use kSar on the command line only mode * Usage: -version: show kSar version number * -help: show this help * -input : argument must be either ssh://user@host:command or cmd://command or file://path/to/file or just /path/to/file * -graph : space separated list of graph you want to be outputed * -showCPUstacked: will make the CPU used graph as stacked * -showMEMstacked: will make the Memory graph as stacked (linux only) * -cpuFixedAxis: will graph CPU used with fixed axis from 0% to 100% * -showTrigger: will show trigger on graph (disabled by default) * -noEmptyDisk: will not export disk with no data * -tile: will tile window * -userPrefs: will use the userPrefs for outputing graphs (last export of this host) * -showOnlygraphName: will only print graph name available for that data (to be use for -graph) * -addHTML: will create an html page with PNG/JPG image * -outputPDF : output the pdf report to the pdf file * -outputPNG : output the graphs to PNG file using argument as base filename * -outputJPG : output the graphs to JPG file using argument as base filename * -outputCSV : output the CSV file * -width : make JPG/PNG with specified width size (default: 800) * -height : make JPG/PNG with specified height size (default: 600) * -startdate : will graph the range begining at that time * -enddate : will graph the range until that date * -solarisPagesize : will set solaris pagesize * -wizard: open with unified login popup * -replaceShortcut : replace all shortcut with those in the xml file * * -addShortcut : add shortcut from the xml file * * -startup: open window marked for opening at startup * AIX AixcpuSar CPU AixbufferSar Buffer AixRqueueSar Run Queue AixSqueueSar Swap Queue AixkernelSar Kernel AixttySar TTY AixmsgSar Messages & semaphore AixsyscalSar Syscalls AixcswchSar Context switching AixfileSar File AixslotSar Slot Diskname of sar + Aixxfer disk0Aixxfer for xfer graph of disk0 Diskname of sar + Aixwait disk5Aixwait for wait graph of disk5 MAC MaccupSar CPU MacpgoutSar Pageout MacpginSar Pageint Diskname of sar + -t1 disk0-t1 of xfer graph of disk0 Interfacename of sar + -if1 eth0-if1 for xfer graph of eth0 Interfacename of sar + -if2 stf0-if2 for error graph of sft0 SOLARIS SolariscpuSar CPU SolarisRqueueSar Run Queue SolarisSqueueSar Swap Queue SolarisbufferSar Buffer SolarisswapingSar Swapping SolarissyscalSar SysCall SolarisfileSar File SolaristtySar TTY SolarismsgSar Message and semaphore SolarispagingSar2 Page in SolarispagingSar1 Page out SolarismemSar Memory/swap SolariskmasmlSar Kernel small page SolariskmalgSar Kernel large page SolariskmaovzSar Kernel oversize page Diskname of sar + Solarisxfer eg.: fd0Solarisxfer for xfer graph of fd0 Diskname of sar + Solariswait eg.: ohci1,ctSolariswait for wait graph of ohci1,ct LINUX LinuxcpuSar CPU LinuxprocSar Process LinuxcswchSar Context switching LinuxintrSar Interrupts LinuxswapSar Swap LinuxioSar IO LinuxloadSar Load Average LinuxpageSar Page LinuxsockSar Socket LinuxkbmemSar Kernel Memory LinuxkbswpSar Kernel Swap LinuxkbmiscSar Kernel Misc LinuxpgpSar Paging LinuxnfsSar NFS LinuxnfsdSar NFSD Diskname of sar + -t1 dev8-0-t1 for xfer graph of dev8-0 Diskname of sar + -t2 dev9-t2 for wait graph of dev9 Interfacename of sar + -if1 eth0-if1 for xfer graph of eth0 Interfacename of sar + -if2 tun1-if2 for error graph of tun1 From garrett.damore@oracle.com Fri May 14 22:42:14 2010 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o4F5gEDo022106 for ; 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Sat, 15 May 2010 05:42:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from acsmt353.oracle.com (acsmt353.oracle.com [141.146.40.153]) by rcsinet13.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o4F4qDvY012431 for ; Sat, 15 May 2010 05:42:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from abhmt003.oracle.com by acsmt353.oracle.com with ESMTP id 267340461273902103; Fri, 14 May 2010 22:41:43 -0700 Received: from [10.7.251.172] (/10.7.251.172) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Fri, 14 May 2010 22:41:43 -0700 Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 22:41:42 -0700 From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: PSARC 2009/585 EOF of graph and spline To: PSARC-ext Message-id: <4BEE3416.2060004@oracle.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 X-Source-IP: acsmt353.oracle.com [141.146.40.153] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090205.4BEE3435.0064:SCFMA4539814,ss=1,fgs=0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS i86pc; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100412 Lightning/1.0b1 Thunderbird/3.0.3 Status: RO Content-Length: 971 While this case was approved, with the idea that these utilities would be replaced by integrating the GNU plotutils suite, I'd like to change direction somewhat. Specifically, it seems that /contrib is a superior delivery mechanism for these tools. I don't believe that there is a compelling need for plot and company to be part of the ON or SFW consolidations. This is also in keeping with the new trend to rely more heavily on integrations in /contrib, and reduce the components that are part of the "supported" foundation of Solaris. So, I'd like to handle this as an update to this case; GNU plotutils will be delivered into /contrib, and is *not* a pre-requisite to removing the ancient libplot, graph, and spline utilities from Solaris. If anyone objects to this, please do so before Wednesday's meeting; if we need to open a new fast-track or reopen this case, we can do that, although I don't think that is particularly necessary. - Garrett From bart.smaalders@oracle.com Mon May 17 10:38:33 2010 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o4HHcWTP005582 for ; Mon, 17 May 2010 10:38:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.4) with ESMTP id o4HHcVju009701 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Mon, 17 May 2010 10:38:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0L2K0070FRO8XL00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Mon, 17 May 2010 11:38:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from jurassic.Eng.Sun.COM ([129.146.17.63]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0L2K00772RO71C10@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Mon, 17 May 2010 11:38:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [129.146.228.109] (cyber.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.228.109]) by jurassic.Eng.Sun.COM (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o4HHcVdX682970; Mon, 17 May 2010 10:38:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 10:36:21 -0700 From: Bart Smaalders Subject: Re: PSARC 2009/585 EOF of graph and spline In-reply-to: <4BEE3416.2060004@oracle.com> To: "Garrett D'Amore" Cc: PSARC-ext Message-id: <4BF17E95.8070905@oracle.com> Organization: Oracle MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 References: <4BEE3416.2060004@oracle.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS i86pc; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100412 Lightning/1.0b1 Thunderbird/3.0.3 Status: RO Content-Length: 1403 On 05/14/10 22:41, Garrett D'Amore wrote: > While this case was approved, with the idea that these utilities would > be replaced by integrating the GNU plotutils suite, I'd like to change > direction somewhat. > > Specifically, it seems that /contrib is a superior delivery mechanism > for these tools. I don't believe that there is a compelling need for > plot and company to be part of the ON or SFW consolidations. > > This is also in keeping with the new trend to rely more heavily on > integrations in /contrib, and reduce the components that are part of the > "supported" foundation of Solaris. > > So, I'd like to handle this as an update to this case; GNU plotutils > will be delivered into /contrib, and is *not* a pre-requisite to > removing the ancient libplot, graph, and spline utilities from Solaris. > > If anyone objects to this, please do so before Wednesday's meeting; if > we need to open a new fast-track or reopen this case, we can do that, > although I don't think that is particularly necessary. > > - Garrett > Sorry. This is indeed a change, and represents an EOF of the functionality rather than the interface. Contrib is not a mechanism for delivering software that meets any PSARC requirements. - Bart -- Bart Smaalders Solaris Kernel Performance bart.smaalders@oracle.com http://blogs.sun.com/barts "You will contribute more with mercurial than with thunderbird." From garrett.damore@oracle.com Mon May 17 10:49:39 2010 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o4HHndwa005755 for ; Mon, 17 May 2010 10:49:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.4) with ESMTP id o4HHncRD020001 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Mon, 17 May 2010 10:49:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0L2K0080JS6QVS00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Mon, 17 May 2010 11:49:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from sca-ea-mail-1.sun.com ([192.18.43.24]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0L2K0076AS6Q1P10@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Mon, 17 May 2010 11:49:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by sca-ea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id o4HHnbqg022835 for ; Mon, 17 May 2010 17:49:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from acsmt353.oracle.com (acsmt353.oracle.com [141.146.40.153]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o4HHna0x017877 for ; Mon, 17 May 2010 17:49:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from abhmt002.oracle.com by acsmt355.oracle.com with ESMTP id 271536891274118572; Mon, 17 May 2010 10:49:32 -0700 Received: from [129.153.2.8] (/129.153.2.8) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Mon, 17 May 2010 10:49:32 -0700 Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 10:49:31 -0700 From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: Re: PSARC 2009/585 EOF of graph and spline In-reply-to: <4BF17E95.8070905@oracle.com> To: Bart Smaalders Cc: PSARC-ext Message-id: <4BF181AB.3070204@oracle.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 X-Source-IP: acsmt353.oracle.com [141.146.40.153] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090205.4BF181B1.0104:SCFMA4539814,ss=1,fgs=0 References: <4BEE3416.2060004@oracle.com> <4BF17E95.8070905@oracle.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090910) Status: RO Content-Length: 1531 On 05/17/10 10:36, Bart Smaalders wrote: > On 05/14/10 22:41, Garrett D'Amore wrote: >> While this case was approved, with the idea that these utilities would >> be replaced by integrating the GNU plotutils suite, I'd like to change >> direction somewhat. >> >> Specifically, it seems that /contrib is a superior delivery mechanism >> for these tools. I don't believe that there is a compelling need for >> plot and company to be part of the ON or SFW consolidations. >> >> This is also in keeping with the new trend to rely more heavily on >> integrations in /contrib, and reduce the components that are part of the >> "supported" foundation of Solaris. >> >> So, I'd like to handle this as an update to this case; GNU plotutils >> will be delivered into /contrib, and is *not* a pre-requisite to >> removing the ancient libplot, graph, and spline utilities from Solaris. >> >> If anyone objects to this, please do so before Wednesday's meeting; if >> we need to open a new fast-track or reopen this case, we can do that, >> although I don't think that is particularly necessary. >> >> - Garrett >> > > Sorry. > > This is indeed a change, and represents an EOF of the functionality > rather than the interface. Contrib is not a mechanism for delivering > software that meets any PSARC requirements. Fair enough. I can run an EOF case then, I suppose. Or as I'm no longer to be employed here, I could just let the rotten bits lie, they aren't bothering me that much. I'll probably take that latter course. - Garrett From scott.rotondo@oracle.com Mon May 17 11:04:50 2010 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o4HI4oi2006296 for ; Mon, 17 May 2010 11:04:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7/ENSMAIL,v2.4) with ESMTP id o4HI4nup049214 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:psarc-ext@sun.com>; Mon, 17 May 2010 12:04:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0L2K0090DSW1K400@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for psarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-ext@sun.com); Mon, 17 May 2010 11:04:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.98.43]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0L2K005VFSW0BE00@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for psarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-ext@sun.com); Mon, 17 May 2010 11:04:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcsinet13.oracle.com (rcsinet13.oracle.com [148.87.113.125]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id o4HI4m1p015684 for ; Mon, 17 May 2010 18:04:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from acsmt353.oracle.com (acsmt353.oracle.com [141.146.40.153]) by rcsinet13.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o4HGV7jt001666 for ; Mon, 17 May 2010 18:04:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from abhmt018.oracle.com by acsmt353.oracle.com with ESMTP id 271590461274119485; Mon, 17 May 2010 11:04:45 -0700 Received: from [129.146.108.62] (/129.146.108.62) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Mon, 17 May 2010 11:04:44 -0700 Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 11:04:50 -0700 From: Scott Rotondo Subject: Re: PSARC 2009/585 EOF of graph and spline In-reply-to: <4BF17E95.8070905@oracle.com> To: PSARC-ext Cc: Bart Smaalders , "Garrett D'Amore" Message-id: <4BF18542.1050005@oracle.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 X-Source-IP: acsmt353.oracle.com [141.146.40.153] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090206.4BF1853F.0085:SCFMA4539814,ss=1,fgs=0 References: <4BEE3416.2060004@oracle.com> <4BF17E95.8070905@oracle.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS i86pc; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100329 Lightning/1.0b1 Thunderbird/3.0.3 Status: RO Content-Length: 1607 On 05/17/10 10:36 AM, Bart Smaalders wrote: > On 05/14/10 22:41, Garrett D'Amore wrote: >> While this case was approved, with the idea that these utilities would >> be replaced by integrating the GNU plotutils suite, I'd like to change >> direction somewhat. >> >> Specifically, it seems that /contrib is a superior delivery mechanism >> for these tools. I don't believe that there is a compelling need for >> plot and company to be part of the ON or SFW consolidations. >> >> This is also in keeping with the new trend to rely more heavily on >> integrations in /contrib, and reduce the components that are part of the >> "supported" foundation of Solaris. >> >> So, I'd like to handle this as an update to this case; GNU plotutils >> will be delivered into /contrib, and is *not* a pre-requisite to >> removing the ancient libplot, graph, and spline utilities from Solaris. >> >> If anyone objects to this, please do so before Wednesday's meeting; if >> we need to open a new fast-track or reopen this case, we can do that, >> although I don't think that is particularly necessary. >> >> - Garrett >> > > Sorry. > > This is indeed a change, and represents an EOF of the functionality > rather than the interface. Contrib is not a mechanism for delivering > software that meets any PSARC requirements. > > - Bart True, though EOF of this functionality followed by integration of a replacement in /contrib may well be the right thing to do here. Scott -- Scott Rotondo Senior Principal Engineer, Solaris Core OS Engineering President, Trusted Computing Group Phone: +1 650 786 6309 (Internal x86309) From garrett.damore@oracle.com Fri May 21 11:21:32 2010 Received: from sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail3mpk.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.52]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o4LILVRG011044 for ; Fri, 21 May 2010 11:21:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (brm-avmta-1.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.11]) by sunmail3mpk.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.4) with ESMTP id o4LILUTH016665 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Fri, 21 May 2010 11:21:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0L2S00G058BV6N00@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Fri, 21 May 2010 12:21:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com ([192.18.98.43]) by brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0L2S00K198BV5JE0@brm-avmta-1.central.sun.com> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Fri, 21 May 2010 12:21:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id o4LILUO6025795 for ; Fri, 21 May 2010 18:21:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from acsmt353.oracle.com (acsmt353.oracle.com [141.146.40.153]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o4LECoBx015645 for ; Fri, 21 May 2010 18:21:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from abhmt007.oracle.com by acsmt355.oracle.com with ESMTP id 288819321274466046; Fri, 21 May 2010 11:20:46 -0700 Received: from [129.153.2.14] (/129.153.2.14) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Fri, 21 May 2010 11:20:46 -0700 Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 11:20:30 -0700 From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: Re: PSARC 2009/585 EOF of graph and spline In-reply-to: <4BF181AB.3070204@oracle.com> To: Bart Smaalders Cc: PSARC-ext Reply-to: gdamore@opensolaris.org Message-id: <4BF6CEEE.9000500@oracle.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 X-Source-IP: acsmt353.oracle.com [141.146.40.153] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090205.4BF6CF2A.009C:SCFMA4539814,ss=1,fgs=0 References: <4BEE3416.2060004@oracle.com> <4BF17E95.8070905@oracle.com> <4BF181AB.3070204@oracle.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090910) Status: RO Content-Length: 2176 Ok, so I would like to formally request that this case be restarted as a regular EOF of the associated graph and spline utilities. If it is approved, then I'll also deliver the GNU plotutils to /contrib, at the time that I submit a request to remove the ancient portions from ON. (I'll be going through request-sponsor from here on out, I guess. :-) I have to run, and won't have time to update the IAM file on this case before I lose access to do so today -- perhaps someone else who's an ARC member could do so for me? Thanks. - Garrett On 05/17/10 10:49, Garrett D'Amore wrote: > On 05/17/10 10:36, Bart Smaalders wrote: >> On 05/14/10 22:41, Garrett D'Amore wrote: >>> While this case was approved, with the idea that these utilities would >>> be replaced by integrating the GNU plotutils suite, I'd like to change >>> direction somewhat. >>> >>> Specifically, it seems that /contrib is a superior delivery mechanism >>> for these tools. I don't believe that there is a compelling need for >>> plot and company to be part of the ON or SFW consolidations. >>> >>> This is also in keeping with the new trend to rely more heavily on >>> integrations in /contrib, and reduce the components that are part of >>> the >>> "supported" foundation of Solaris. >>> >>> So, I'd like to handle this as an update to this case; GNU plotutils >>> will be delivered into /contrib, and is *not* a pre-requisite to >>> removing the ancient libplot, graph, and spline utilities from Solaris. >>> >>> If anyone objects to this, please do so before Wednesday's meeting; if >>> we need to open a new fast-track or reopen this case, we can do that, >>> although I don't think that is particularly necessary. >>> >>> - Garrett >>> >> >> Sorry. >> >> This is indeed a change, and represents an EOF of the functionality >> rather than the interface. Contrib is not a mechanism for delivering >> software that meets any PSARC requirements. > > Fair enough. I can run an EOF case then, I suppose. Or as I'm no > longer to be employed here, I could just let the rotten bits lie, they > aren't bothering me that much. I'll probably take that latter course. > > - Garrett > > From alan.coopersmith@oracle.com Fri May 21 21:05:27 2010 Received: from sunmail6brm.central.sun.com (sunmail6brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.4.169]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o4M45RCb019984 for ; Fri, 21 May 2010 21:05:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM (nwk-avmta-1.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.146.11.74]) by sunmail6brm.central.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.4) with ESMTP id o4M45Qx9019201 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:PSARC-ext@sun.com>; Fri, 21 May 2010 23:05:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0L2S00703ZD2O700@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Fri, 21 May 2010 21:05:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm-sfbay-01.sfbay.sun.com ([129.145.155.118]) by nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0L2S004ZXZD2U660@nwk-avmta-1.sfbay.Sun.COM> for PSARC-ext@sun.com (ORCPT PSARC-ext@sun.com); Fri, 21 May 2010 21:05:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [129.145.155.53] (sunray-osol-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.53]) by dm-sfbay-01.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.4) with ESMTP id o4M45PKX006180; Fri, 21 May 2010 21:05:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 21:05:25 -0700 From: Alan Coopersmith Subject: Timer reset: PSARC/2009/585: EOF of graph and spline: fast-track timeout 05/28/2010 To: PSARC-ext , "Garrett D'Amore" Message-id: <4BF75805.5080203@oracle.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.1 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090926) Status: RO Content-Length: 207 At Garrett's request I've reset the status of the case to "waiting fast-track 05/28/2010". -- -Alan Coopersmith- alan.coopersmith@oracle.com Oracle Solaris Platform Engineering: X Window System From garrett@damore.org Fri May 21 21:08:22 2010 Received: from newsunmail1brm.central.sun.com (newsunmail1brm.Central.Sun.COM [129.147.62.245]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o4M48LtI020007 for ; 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Fri, 21 May 2010 22:08:18 -0600 Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 21:08:42 -0700 From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: Re: Timer reset: PSARC/2009/585: EOF of graph and spline: fast-track timeout 05/28/2010 In-reply-to: <4BF75805.5080203@oracle.com> To: Alan Coopersmith Cc: PSARC-ext Message-id: <4BF6074A.3030805@damore.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=damore.org; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Identified-User; b=PwXAOmIMg2L6ZSMkwU1sqcw2FU2RPqQztnzx2oWHjJgYKXofGZRzczjwT5zxUXkCo/63sITJm23E5OmXuUqIE8B+h1ZSp+Iab3BEkKObR5DlZlIV25HnTLtEm053whio; X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Identified-User: {2225:box374.bluehost.com:damoreor:damore.org} {sentby:smtp auth 76.93.15.33 authed with garrett+damore.org} X-Antispam: No, score=1.0/5.0, scanned in 1.107sec at (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smf-spamd v1.3.1 - http://smfs.sf.net/ References: <4BF75805.5080203@oracle.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 Status: RO Content-Length: 455 On 5/21/2010 9:05 PM, Alan Coopersmith wrote: > At Garrett's request I've reset the status of the case to > "waiting fast-track 05/28/2010". > > Thanks. The rationale here is that meaty substance has already been discussed/reviewed before. What's different is that we won't be delivering GNU plotutils into SFW. (Instead we'll be doing a delivery into /contrib, but that falls necessarily outside of the scope of ARC review.) - Garrett From garrett@damore.org Tue Jun 1 16:06:52 2010 Received: from sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (sunmail2sca.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.234]) by sac.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o51N6qvE025967 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 16:06:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (nwk-avmta-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.145.155.6]) by sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8/ENSMAIL,v2.4) with ESMTP id o51N6qYF013890 for <@sunmail2sca.sfbay.sun.com:psarc-ext@sun.com>; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 16:06:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pmxchannel-daemon.nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) id <0L3C00M01YVGYO00@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-ext@sun.com); Tue, 01 Jun 2010 16:06:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com ([192.18.98.36]) by nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.04 (built Jul 15 2005)) with ESMTP id <0L3C00L1QYVFFV10@nwk-avmta-2.sfbay.sun.com> for psarc-ext@sun.com (ORCPT psarc-ext@sun.com); Tue, 01 Jun 2010 16:06:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay43i.sun.com ([192.5.209.74]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id o51N28B1011659 for ; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 23:06:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mms49es.mms.us.syntegra.com ([160.41.221.232] [160.41.221.232]) by relay43i.sun.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-241479 for psarc-ext@sun.com; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 23:06:51 +0000 (Z) Received: from relay43i.sun.com (relay43i.sun.com [192.5.209.74]) by mms49es.mms.us.syntegra.com with ESMTP id BT-MMP-185359051 for psarc-ext@sun.com; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 23:06:50 +0000 (Z) Received: from outbound-mail-360.bluehost.com ([67.222.39.60] [67.222.39.60]) by relay4i.sun.com id BT-MMP-13258830 for psarc-ext@sun.com; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 23:06:50 +0000 (Z) Received: (qmail 6199 invoked by uid 0); Tue, 01 Jun 2010 23:06:49 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box374.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.174) by oproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 23:06:49 +0000 Received: from cpe-76-93-15-33.socal.res.rr.com ([76.93.15.33] helo=[192.168.251.110]) by box374.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (SSLv3:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OJaXp-0007PH-CJ for psarc-ext@sun.com; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 17:06:49 -0600 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 16:06:48 -0700 From: "Garrett D'Amore" Subject: PSARC 2009/585 EOF of graph and spline To: psarc-ext@sun.com Message-id: <1275433608.1790.26.camel@velocity> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.3 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=damore.org; h=Received:Subject:From:To:Content-Type:Date:Message-ID:Mime-Version:X-Mailer:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Identified-User; b=WyyW+7MtsSZswDmXgI72x5QRWGYa0T3rk69WzAPXpKoc7uk4iA5Rd8EdZ/ijkCf8e9RZjujYR6uVCqjw+BTvOlI11ok9U73I/93YNIWds+ByLWi/nF8D3ZKD7NOpwdm8; X-PMX-Version: 5.4.1.325704 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Identified-User: {2225:box374.bluehost.com:damoreor:damore.org} {sentby:smtp auth 76.93.15.33 authed with garrett+damore.org} X-Antispam: No, score=0.0/5.0, scanned in 0.356sec at (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smf-spamd v1.3.1 - http://smfs.sf.net/ Status: RO Content-Length: 332 Since no one else saw fit to comment constructively, or argue against the removal of (or derail this case *again*) these utilities following the fast track rules, this case has been marked closed approved. Thank you. (And thank you also to my anonymous remote hands for making the change to the IAM file for me. :-) -- Garrett