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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:28:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Wyllys Ingersoll <wyllys@ardbeg.sfbay.sun.com>
Subject: pinentry utility [PSARC/2009/588 FastTrack timeout 11/04/2009]
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Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.68 02/23/09 SMI
This information is Copyright 2009 Sun Microsystems
1. Introduction
    1.1. Project/Component Working Name:
	 pinentry utility
    1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier:
	 Author:  Wyllys Ingersoll
    1.3  Date of This Document:
	28 October, 2009
4. Technical Description

Description
-----------
This case proposes to deliver the GNU pinentry (v0.7.6) software.
The pinentry program is required by the gpg-agent utility which
is going to be included in the upcoming SUNWgnupg package
(PSARC 2009/397 GnuPG and Friends).  

The programs and documentation will be delivered in the
SUNWgnupg package.  It is unknown if any other applications
require pinentry and the number of deliverables
is very small (see below).

pinentry is a small GUI (or curses based) application
used to enter PINS or passphrases.  It is usually invoked
by gpg-agent (part of the GnuPG package).  This project
will deliver 3 flavors - pinentry-gtk, pinentry-gtk-2,
and pinentry-curses.  The default is pinentry-curses.

Auditing
--------
pinentry makes no access control and is not an administrative
tool, it will not add any BSM auditing records.

Deliverables:
-------------
/usr/bin/pinentry-curses	SFW	Uncommitted
/usr/bin/pinentry-gtk		SFW	Uncommitted
/usr/bin/pinentry-gtk-2		SFW	Uncommitted
/usr/share/info/pinentry.info	SFW	Uncommitted

Documentation
-------------
The pinentry package does not include a manpage, but it
does deliver a .info file which describes it's usage.  The
info file will be in the case materials directory for
review.

OpenSource
----------
OSR Review:  13036
License:  GPLv2
Release Taxonomy: Micro/Patch

6. Resources and Schedule
    6.4. Steering Committee requested information
   	6.4.1. Consolidation C-team Name:
		SFW
    6.5. ARC review type: FastTrack
    6.6. ARC Exposure: open


From Nicolas.Williams@sun.com Wed Oct 28 09:40:26 2009
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On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 09:28:09AM -0700, Wyllys Ingersoll wrote:
> Documentation
> -------------
> The pinentry package does not include a manpage, but it
> does deliver a .info file which describes it's usage.  The
> info file will be in the case materials directory for
> review.

Adding a stub manpage with minimal content (e.g., pointing to the
info(1) command) is simple enough.

(Not this case: would it be possible to harmonize man(1) and info(1) so
that man(1) could tell users to try info(1) when the requested manpage
doesn't exist but the info(1) docs for the same name do?  There's
clearly some significant impedance mismatches between manpages and info
docs...)

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    Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:28:09 -0700 (PDT)
    From: Wyllys Ingersoll <wyllys@ardbeg.sfbay.sun.com>
    Subject: pinentry utility [PSARC/2009/588 FastTrack timeout
	    11/04/2009]

    Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.68 02/23/09 SMI
    This information is Copyright 2009 Sun Microsystems
    1. Introduction
        1.1. Project/Component Working Name: pinentry utility
        1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier:
	 Author:  Wyllys Ingersoll
    4. Technical Description

    Description
    -----------

    ...
    pinentry is a small GUI (or curses based) application used to
    enter PINS or passphrases.  It is usually invoked by gpg-agent
    (part of the GnuPG package).  This project will deliver 3 flavors
    - pinentry-gtk, pinentry-gtk-2, and pinentry-curses.  The default
    is pinentry-curses.

    ...
    Deliverables:
    -------------
    /usr/bin/pinentry-curses	SFW	Uncommitted
    /usr/bin/pinentry-gtk		SFW	Uncommitted
    /usr/bin/pinentry-gtk-2		SFW	Uncommitted
    /usr/share/info/pinentry.info	SFW	Uncommitted

Given that gpg-agent is the expected means of invocation, could the
executables be placed in /usr/lib?

(I'm still fighting a rear guard action to avoid /usr/bin clutter.)

		-- Glenn


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Glenn Skinner wrote:
>     Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:28:09 -0700 (PDT)
>     From: Wyllys Ingersoll <wyllys@ardbeg.sfbay.sun.com>
>     Subject: pinentry utility [PSARC/2009/588 FastTrack timeout
> 	    11/04/2009]
>
>     Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.68 02/23/09 SMI
>     This information is Copyright 2009 Sun Microsystems
>     1. Introduction
>         1.1. Project/Component Working Name: pinentry utility
>         1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier:
> 	 Author:  Wyllys Ingersoll
>     4. Technical Description
>
>     Description
>     -----------
>
>     ...
>     pinentry is a small GUI (or curses based) application used to
>     enter PINS or passphrases.  It is usually invoked by gpg-agent
>     (part of the GnuPG package).  This project will deliver 3 flavors
>     - pinentry-gtk, pinentry-gtk-2, and pinentry-curses.  The default
>     is pinentry-curses.
>
>     ...
>     Deliverables:
>     -------------
>     /usr/bin/pinentry-curses	SFW	Uncommitted
>     /usr/bin/pinentry-gtk		SFW	Uncommitted
>     /usr/bin/pinentry-gtk-2		SFW	Uncommitted
>     /usr/share/info/pinentry.info	SFW	Uncommitted
>
> Given that gpg-agent is the expected means of invocation, could the
> executables be placed in /usr/lib?
>   

I agree with Glenn here.

Also, why do we need both -gtk and -gtk2 variants?  Seems like just 
-gtk2 ought to be enough.

    - Garrett


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Wyllys Ingersoll wrote:
> pinentry is a small GUI (or curses based) application
> used to enter PINS or passphrases.  It is usually invoked
> by gpg-agent (part of the GnuPG package).  This project
> will deliver 3 flavors - pinentry-gtk, pinentry-gtk-2,
> and pinentry-curses.  The default is pinentry-curses.

What's the difference between pinentry-gtk and pinentry-gtk-2?
If it's use of gtk1 vs. gtk2, then I'd say drop the gtk1 version
and only ship gtk2 - gtk1 is obsolete and should only be used for
binary compatibility, not new programs.

-- 
	-Alan Coopersmith-           alan.coopersmith@sun.com
	 Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering


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Wyllys Ingersoll wrote:
> pinentry is a small GUI (or curses based) application
> used to enter PINS or passphrases.  It is usually invoked
> by gpg-agent (part of the GnuPG package).  This project
> will deliver 3 flavors - pinentry-gtk, pinentry-gtk-2,
> and pinentry-curses.  The default is pinentry-curses.

What's the difference between pinentry-gtk and pinentry-gtk-2?
If it's use of gtk1 vs. gtk2, then I'd say drop the gtk1 version
and only ship gtk2 - gtk1 is obsolete and should only be used for
binary compatibility, not new programs.

-- 
	-Alan Coopersmith-           alan.coopersmith@sun.com
	 Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering


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Alan Coopersmith wrote:
> Wyllys Ingersoll wrote:
>> pinentry is a small GUI (or curses based) application
>> used to enter PINS or passphrases.  It is usually invoked
>> by gpg-agent (part of the GnuPG package).  This project
>> will deliver 3 flavors - pinentry-gtk, pinentry-gtk-2,
>> and pinentry-curses.  The default is pinentry-curses.
> 
> What's the difference between pinentry-gtk and pinentry-gtk-2?
> If it's use of gtk1 vs. gtk2, then I'd say drop the gtk1 version
> and only ship gtk2 - gtk1 is obsolete and should only be used for
> binary compatibility, not new programs.
> 

Yes, agreed.  I will just deliver the curses and gtk2 flavors.
Also, I can move it to /usr/lib if there is a strong desire to
do so from the ARC.

-Wyllys


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Alan Coopersmith wrote:
> Wyllys Ingersoll wrote:
>> pinentry is a small GUI (or curses based) application
>> used to enter PINS or passphrases.  It is usually invoked
>> by gpg-agent (part of the GnuPG package).  This project
>> will deliver 3 flavors - pinentry-gtk, pinentry-gtk-2,
>> and pinentry-curses.  The default is pinentry-curses.
> 
> What's the difference between pinentry-gtk and pinentry-gtk-2?
> If it's use of gtk1 vs. gtk2, then I'd say drop the gtk1 version
> and only ship gtk2 - gtk1 is obsolete and should only be used for
> binary compatibility, not new programs.
> 

Yes, agreed.  I will just deliver the curses and gtk2 flavors.
Also, I can move it to /usr/lib if there is a strong desire to
do so from the ARC.

-Wyllys


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Wyllys Ingersoll wrote:
> Alan Coopersmith wrote:
>> Wyllys Ingersoll wrote:
>>> pinentry is a small GUI (or curses based) application
>>> used to enter PINS or passphrases.  It is usually invoked
>>> by gpg-agent (part of the GnuPG package).  This project
>>> will deliver 3 flavors - pinentry-gtk, pinentry-gtk-2,
>>> and pinentry-curses.  The default is pinentry-curses.
>>
>> What's the difference between pinentry-gtk and pinentry-gtk-2?
>> If it's use of gtk1 vs. gtk2, then I'd say drop the gtk1 version
>> and only ship gtk2 - gtk1 is obsolete and should only be used for
>> binary compatibility, not new programs.
>>
>
> Yes, agreed.  I will just deliver the curses and gtk2 flavors.
> Also, I can move it to /usr/lib if there is a strong desire to
> do so from the ARC.

I think it would be better.

    - Garrett

>
> -Wyllys
>


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Wyllys Ingersoll wrote:
> Alan Coopersmith wrote:
>> Wyllys Ingersoll wrote:
>>> pinentry is a small GUI (or curses based) application
>>> used to enter PINS or passphrases.  It is usually invoked
>>> by gpg-agent (part of the GnuPG package).  This project
>>> will deliver 3 flavors - pinentry-gtk, pinentry-gtk-2,
>>> and pinentry-curses.  The default is pinentry-curses.
>>
>> What's the difference between pinentry-gtk and pinentry-gtk-2?
>> If it's use of gtk1 vs. gtk2, then I'd say drop the gtk1 version
>> and only ship gtk2 - gtk1 is obsolete and should only be used for
>> binary compatibility, not new programs.
>>
>
> Yes, agreed.  I will just deliver the curses and gtk2 flavors.
> Also, I can move it to /usr/lib if there is a strong desire to
> do so from the ARC.

I think it would be better.

    - Garrett

>
> -Wyllys
>


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Garrett D'Amore wrote:
> Wyllys Ingersoll wrote:
>> Alan Coopersmith wrote:
>>> Wyllys Ingersoll wrote:
>>>> pinentry is a small GUI (or curses based) application
>>>> used to enter PINS or passphrases.  It is usually invoked
>>>> by gpg-agent (part of the GnuPG package).  This project
>>>> will deliver 3 flavors - pinentry-gtk, pinentry-gtk-2,
>>>> and pinentry-curses.  The default is pinentry-curses.
>>>
>>> What's the difference between pinentry-gtk and pinentry-gtk-2?
>>> If it's use of gtk1 vs. gtk2, then I'd say drop the gtk1 version
>>> and only ship gtk2 - gtk1 is obsolete and should only be used for
>>> binary compatibility, not new programs.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, agreed.  I will just deliver the curses and gtk2 flavors.
>> Also, I can move it to /usr/lib if there is a strong desire to
>> do so from the ARC.
> 
> I think it would be better.

OK, /usr/lib it is then (and only gtk2 version).

/usr/lib/pinentry-curses
/usr/lib/pinentry-gtk-2

-Wyllys

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From: Wyllys Ingersoll <Wyllys.Ingersoll@sun.com>
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Garrett D'Amore wrote:
> Wyllys Ingersoll wrote:
>> Alan Coopersmith wrote:
>>> Wyllys Ingersoll wrote:
>>>> pinentry is a small GUI (or curses based) application
>>>> used to enter PINS or passphrases.  It is usually invoked
>>>> by gpg-agent (part of the GnuPG package).  This project
>>>> will deliver 3 flavors - pinentry-gtk, pinentry-gtk-2,
>>>> and pinentry-curses.  The default is pinentry-curses.
>>>
>>> What's the difference between pinentry-gtk and pinentry-gtk-2?
>>> If it's use of gtk1 vs. gtk2, then I'd say drop the gtk1 version
>>> and only ship gtk2 - gtk1 is obsolete and should only be used for
>>> binary compatibility, not new programs.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, agreed.  I will just deliver the curses and gtk2 flavors.
>> Also, I can move it to /usr/lib if there is a strong desire to
>> do so from the ARC.
> 
> I think it would be better.

OK, /usr/lib it is then (and only gtk2 version).

/usr/lib/pinentry-curses
/usr/lib/pinentry-gtk-2

-Wyllys

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On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 02:02:25PM -0400, Wyllys Ingersoll wrote:
> OK, /usr/lib it is then (and only gtk2 version).
> 
> /usr/lib/pinentry-curses
> /usr/lib/pinentry-gtk-2

And then you don't need to write manpages :)

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On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 02:02:25PM -0400, Wyllys Ingersoll wrote:
> OK, /usr/lib it is then (and only gtk2 version).
> 
> /usr/lib/pinentry-curses
> /usr/lib/pinentry-gtk-2

And then you don't need to write manpages :)

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Wyllys Ingersoll wrote:
> Garrett D'Amore wrote:
>> Wyllys Ingersoll wrote:
>>> Alan Coopersmith wrote:
>>>> Wyllys Ingersoll wrote:
>>>>> pinentry is a small GUI (or curses based) application
>>>>> used to enter PINS or passphrases.  It is usually invoked
>>>>> by gpg-agent (part of the GnuPG package).  This project
>>>>> will deliver 3 flavors - pinentry-gtk, pinentry-gtk-2,
>>>>> and pinentry-curses.  The default is pinentry-curses.
>>>>
>>>> What's the difference between pinentry-gtk and pinentry-gtk-2?
>>>> If it's use of gtk1 vs. gtk2, then I'd say drop the gtk1 version
>>>> and only ship gtk2 - gtk1 is obsolete and should only be used for
>>>> binary compatibility, not new programs.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, agreed.  I will just deliver the curses and gtk2 flavors.
>>> Also, I can move it to /usr/lib if there is a strong desire to
>>> do so from the ARC.
>>
>> I think it would be better.
>
> OK, /usr/lib it is then (and only gtk2 version).
>
> /usr/lib/pinentry-curses
> /usr/lib/pinentry-gtk-2
>
> -Wyllys
Looks good.  +1 from me.

     - Garrett

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Wyllys Ingersoll wrote:
> Garrett D'Amore wrote:
>> Wyllys Ingersoll wrote:
>>> Alan Coopersmith wrote:
>>>> Wyllys Ingersoll wrote:
>>>>> pinentry is a small GUI (or curses based) application
>>>>> used to enter PINS or passphrases.  It is usually invoked
>>>>> by gpg-agent (part of the GnuPG package).  This project
>>>>> will deliver 3 flavors - pinentry-gtk, pinentry-gtk-2,
>>>>> and pinentry-curses.  The default is pinentry-curses.
>>>>
>>>> What's the difference between pinentry-gtk and pinentry-gtk-2?
>>>> If it's use of gtk1 vs. gtk2, then I'd say drop the gtk1 version
>>>> and only ship gtk2 - gtk1 is obsolete and should only be used for
>>>> binary compatibility, not new programs.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, agreed.  I will just deliver the curses and gtk2 flavors.
>>> Also, I can move it to /usr/lib if there is a strong desire to
>>> do so from the ARC.
>>
>> I think it would be better.
>
> OK, /usr/lib it is then (and only gtk2 version).
>
> /usr/lib/pinentry-curses
> /usr/lib/pinentry-gtk-2
>
> -Wyllys
Looks good.  +1 from me.

     - Garrett

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Nicolas Williams <Nicolas.Williams@sun.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 09:28:09AM -0700, Wyllys Ingersoll wrote:
> > Documentation
> > -------------
> > The pinentry package does not include a manpage, but it
> > does deliver a .info file which describes it's usage.  The
> > info file will be in the case materials directory for
> > review.
>
> Adding a stub manpage with minimal content (e.g., pointing to the
> info(1) command) is simple enough.

POSIX mentions man but not info....

It would be nice if there was at least a complete info(1) man page.
It would be better to convert info(1) based documentation to the man
format. There are some programs out that can do this for many programs.

Jörg

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