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Template Version: @(#)sac_nextcase 1.64 07/13/07 SMI
This information is Copyright 2007 Sun Microsystems
1. Introduction
    1.1. Project/Component Working Name:
	 Deliver Squid into OpenSolaris
    1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier:
	 Author:  Rahul Gopinathan
    1.3  Date of This Document:
	24 September, 2007
4. Technical Description
    See the case directory for more detail

6. Resources and Schedule
    6.4. Steering Committee requested information
   	6.4.1. Consolidation C-team Name:
		sfw
    6.5. ARC review type: FastTrack
    6.6. ARC Exposure: open


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Subject: WSARC/2007/554 Deliver Squid into OpenSolaris (10/04/2007)
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I am sponsoring Fast Track WSARC/2007/554 "Deliver Squid into
OpenSolaris" for Rahul Gopinathan and the OpenSolaris Web Stack
community. Timer is set to 10/04/2007.

Functional spec is in the materials directory:
http://sac.eng/WSARC/2007/554/materials/squid.txt

Case materials also available on opensolaris.org (though not quite
yet, it takes a bit for them to propagate):
http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/caselog/2007/554/



Notes:

This is the first OpenSolaris and the first "Exposure: open" case
through WSARC (see wsarc-EXT@sun.com).

This is a new component (Squid is not yet in OpenSolaris). WSARC
traditionally has done full reviews for new components.  This follows
the path of e.g. PHP (PSARC/2007/168) which also ran as a Fast Track.

This case is relatively simple and uncontroversial compared to some of
the other web stack cases such as PHP (approved PSARC/2007/168) and
Apache since Squid lacks the complexities of those cases.  Squid does
not have support for external modules and no interface breakage is
expected in minor versions.


-- 
Jyri J. Virkki - jyri.virkki@sun.com - Sun Microsystems

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>     1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier:
> 	 Author:  Rahul Gopinathan

It might be a good idea for the folks involved in this project to get
in touch with the networking group.  Solaris doesn't support GRE right
now, which means you won't be able to use the WCCP feature in Squid.
That might be important if you talk to Cisco routers.

-- 
James Carlson, Solaris Networking              <james.d.carlson@sun.com>
Sun Microsystems / 1 Network Drive         71.232W   Vox +1 781 442 2084
MS UBUR02-212 / Burlington MA 01803-2757   42.496N   Fax +1 781 442 1677

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[James Carlson:]
| >     1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier:
| > 	 Author:  Rahul Gopinathan
| 
| It might be a good idea for the folks involved in this project to get
| in touch with the networking group.  Solaris doesn't support GRE right
| now, which means you won't be able to use the WCCP feature in Squid.
| That might be important if you talk to Cisco routers.

WCCP allows two forwarding methods, GRE and L2 Rewrite.

Squid (and Cisco) supports both for WCCP, and in the case of Solaris which
does not have GRE It can do L2 Rewrite, in which case it will act the same
way as an intercepting proxy using Host headers. (We have been using L2
Rewrite to get the Wccp working with Sun Java System Webproxy on Solaris.)


                                    rahul
--
1. e4 _

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| > WCCP allows two forwarding methods, GRE and L2 Rewrite.
 
| OK; thanks.  I wasn't aware that anyone was actually using L2 rewrite.

it is a poor man's alternative :), but I really hope GRE gets
implemented in Solaris. ( There was some talk of a minimally functional
driver some time back, but it seems to have disappeared.)
 
| > Squid (and Cisco) supports both for WCCP, and in the case of Solaris which
| > does not have GRE It can do L2 Rewrite, in which case it will act the same
| > way as an intercepting proxy using Host headers. (We have been using L2
| > Rewrite to get the Wccp working with Sun Java System Webproxy on Solaris.)
 
| How do you do L2 rewrite on Solaris?  I would think that you need some
| sort of kernel NAT-like functionality.  No?

The L2 rewrite is done at the router (Cisco), and the packet forwarded
to the proxy box. so there was no L2 rewrite on proxy box. (AFAIK)

(Adding the dev who was involved in Wccp effort in CC list.)

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rahul writes:
> [James Carlson:]
> | >     1.2. Name of Document Author/Supplier:
> | > 	 Author:  Rahul Gopinathan
> | 
> | It might be a good idea for the folks involved in this project to get
> | in touch with the networking group.  Solaris doesn't support GRE right
> | now, which means you won't be able to use the WCCP feature in Squid.
> | That might be important if you talk to Cisco routers.
> 
> WCCP allows two forwarding methods, GRE and L2 Rewrite.

OK; thanks.  I wasn't aware that anyone was actually using L2 rewrite.

> Squid (and Cisco) supports both for WCCP, and in the case of Solaris which
> does not have GRE It can do L2 Rewrite, in which case it will act the same
> way as an intercepting proxy using Host headers. (We have been using L2
> Rewrite to get the Wccp working with Sun Java System Webproxy on Solaris.)

How do you do L2 rewrite on Solaris?  I would think that you need some
sort of kernel NAT-like functionality.  No?

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rahul writes:
> | > WCCP allows two forwarding methods, GRE and L2 Rewrite.
>  
> | OK; thanks.  I wasn't aware that anyone was actually using L2 rewrite.
> 
> it is a poor man's alternative :), but I really hope GRE gets
> implemented in Solaris. ( There was some talk of a minimally functional
> driver some time back, but it seems to have disappeared.)

I hope so too ... part of the problem we have in Solaris is a lack of
demand for the feature, which translates into a lack of priority and a
lack of funding.

If you have information about where GRE support leads to sales (which
is what our management cares about), then updating CR 6242750 would
help.

> | How do you do L2 rewrite on Solaris?  I would think that you need some
> | sort of kernel NAT-like functionality.  No?
> 
> The L2 rewrite is done at the router (Cisco), and the packet forwarded
> to the proxy box. so there was no L2 rewrite on proxy box. (AFAIK)

Ah, ok.  L2 rewrite is going to be harder to manage, isn't it?  I
would expect it to require more configuration effort.

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edh01 - This may be a question for PSARC and precendence.  I notice this 
installs in /usr/squid.  I thought we wanted functional names in the 
path?  Is /usr/squid the right place in Solaris? 

edh02 - Where do the version tags described in section 2.2 appear?  They 
don't appear as part of the command names as listed in the spec.  How do 
I query them?

edh03 - In section 2.3 when you say the "modules" are these modules 
supplied by squid or by the user?  I assume they are the modules 
described in section 3.0  Are all of them compiled in all the time?  If 
not how do you choose?

edh04 - Since squid needs to be recompiled each time does that mean 
you're delivering source to the end user?

edh05 - Who winds up calling/using all the things in 
/usr/quide/libexec?  Why aren't they in /usr/squid/bin?

-edh


Jyri Virkki wrote:
> I am sponsoring Fast Track WSARC/2007/554 "Deliver Squid into
> OpenSolaris" for Rahul Gopinathan and the OpenSolaris Web Stack
> community. Timer is set to 10/04/2007.
>
> Functional spec is in the materials directory:
> http://sac.eng/WSARC/2007/554/materials/squid.txt
>
> Case materials also available on opensolaris.org (though not quite
> yet, it takes a bit for them to propagate):
> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/caselog/2007/554/
>
>
>
> Notes:
>
> This is the first OpenSolaris and the first "Exposure: open" case
> through WSARC (see wsarc-EXT@sun.com).
>
> This is a new component (Squid is not yet in OpenSolaris). WSARC
> traditionally has done full reviews for new components.  This follows
> the path of e.g. PHP (PSARC/2007/168) which also ran as a Fast Track.
>
> This case is relatively simple and uncontroversial compared to some of
> the other web stack cases such as PHP (approved PSARC/2007/168) and
> Apache since Squid lacks the complexities of those cases.  Squid does
> not have support for external modules and no interface breakage is
> expected in minor versions.
>
>
>   


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I have updated the materials ("squid.txt") in the case directory with
a few minor edits from the project team.



FYI, the diff of the changes was

37,38d36
<     /usr/squid/bin/RunAccel
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---
>     /usr/squid/libexec/digest_pw_auth
>     /usr/squid/libexec/ip_user_check
203d200
<     /usr/squid/libexec/unlinkd              Uncommitted     Executable location
227d223
<     /usr/squid/libexec/cachemgr.cgi         Uncommitted     Executable script location


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Project team will probably respond on India timezone but I can answer some.

> edh01 - This may be a question for PSARC and precendence.  I notice this 
> installs in /usr/squid.  I thought we wanted functional names in the 
> path?  Is /usr/squid the right place in Solaris? 

Seems ok to me.
For instance, we have /usr/apache2 and not /usr/httpd
(And /usr/php5, instead of maybe /usr/popular-web-scripting-language ;-)

> edh02 - Where do the version tags described in section 2.2 appear?  They 
> don't appear as part of the command names as listed in the spec.  How do 
> I query them?
> 
> edh03 - In section 2.3 when you say the "modules" are these modules 
> supplied by squid or by the user?  I assume they are the modules 
> described in section 3.0  Are all of them compiled in all the time?  If 
> not how do you choose?

Squid doesn't support pluggable user-provided modules, so all
supported modules are known at integration and compiled in.

> edh04 - Since squid needs to be recompiled each time does that mean 
> you're delivering source to the end user?

No (well, source is delivered to opensolaris.org so sort of yes).  The
feature set is fixed.  I believe the project team chose to include the
interesting features, the exceptions being functionality that can't be
compiled on Solaris today due to dependency problems. 

(One of the goals of the OpenSolaris Web Stack project is to provide
knowledge on building the components on OpenSolaris so some class of
customers will download the source & Makefiles from opensolaris.org
and tweak their own builds, but that is not the formally supported use
case.)

> edh05 - Who winds up calling/using all the things in 
> /usr/quide/libexec?  Why aren't they in /usr/squid/bin?

Rahul can clarify, but I believe this mirrors /usr/apache2/libexec
so it contains code used by squid features, not invokable by users.

Rahul, do these really need any visibility to customers? Could these by
Project Private instead of Uncommitted?


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[Jyri Virkki:]
| 
| Project team will probably respond on India timezone but I can answer some.
| 
| > edh01 - This may be a question for PSARC and precendence.  I notice this 
| > installs in /usr/squid.  I thought we wanted functional names in the 
| > path?  Is /usr/squid the right place in Solaris? 
| 
| Seems ok to me.
| For instance, we have /usr/apache2 and not /usr/httpd
| (And /usr/php5, instead of maybe /usr/popular-web-scripting-language ;-)
| 
| > edh02 - Where do the version tags described in section 2.2 appear?  They 
| > don't appear as part of the command names as listed in the spec.  How do 
| > I query them?

The squid version can be queried by passing -v argument to the
executable
|cd /usr/squid/sbin
|./squid -v      
Squid Cache: Version 2.6.STABLE16

| > edh03 - In section 2.3 when you say the "modules" are these modules 
| > supplied by squid or by the user?  I assume they are the modules 
| > described in section 3.0  Are all of them compiled in all the time?  If 
| > not how do you choose?
| 
| Squid doesn't support pluggable user-provided modules, so all
| supported modules are known at integration and compiled in.
| 
| > edh04 - Since squid needs to be recompiled each time does that mean 
| > you're delivering source to the end user?
| 
| No (well, source is delivered to opensolaris.org so sort of yes).  The
| feature set is fixed.  I believe the project team chose to include the
| interesting features, the exceptions being functionality that can't be
| compiled on Solaris today due to dependency problems. 
| 
| (One of the goals of the OpenSolaris Web Stack project is to provide
| knowledge on building the components on OpenSolaris so some class of
| customers will download the source & Makefiles from opensolaris.org
| and tweak their own builds, but that is not the formally supported use
| case.)
| 
| > edh05 - Who winds up calling/using all the things in 
| > /usr/quide/libexec?  Why aren't they in /usr/squid/bin?
| 
| Rahul can clarify, but I believe this mirrors /usr/apache2/libexec
| so it contains code used by squid features, not invokable by users.

These are called by the squid binary to provide different
functionalities, (It is kind of like CGIs in Webserver.)

| Rahul, do these really need any visibility to customers? Could these by
| Project Private instead of Uncommitted?

I agree, they should be Project Private.

                                    rahul
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rahul wrote:
>
> | > edh05 - Who winds up calling/using all the things in 
> | > /usr/quide/libexec?  Why aren't they in /usr/squid/bin?
> | 
> | Rahul can clarify, but I believe this mirrors /usr/apache2/libexec
> | so it contains code used by squid features, not invokable by users.
> 
> These are called by the squid binary to provide different
> functionalities, (It is kind of like CGIs in Webserver.)
> 
> | Rahul, do these really need any visibility to customers? Could these by
> | Project Private instead of Uncommitted?
> 
> I agree, they should be Project Private.

I updated the project doc to mark libexec files Project Private.

Ed, have your issues been addressed by project team?

The case is currently set to time out 10/04/2007, if anyone needs more
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I have updated the case materials with a minor change from the project
team with respect to the packaging. Squid now delivers two packages to
comply with the packaging split requirements.

I'll extend the timer to 10/10/2007.

Latest spec is here as before (changes have not propagated as of the
time of this email, takes a few hours):

http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/caselog/2007/554/materials/squid-txt/

Diff from previous version:


4c4
< 27 September 2007
---
> 08 October 2007
163,166c163,168
<     We propose to package squid under SUNWsquid. Multiple versions
<     coexisting on the same machine is not anticipated since this is not
<     a development platform, and general usage pattern is to have a single
<     instance.
---
>     We propose to package squid under SUNWsquidr SUNWsquidu. The
>     SUNWsquidr package contains installation specific details that users
>     modify (/etc/squid and /etc/var) and SUNWsquidu contains files that
>     are installation independent (/usr).  Multiple versions coexisting on
>     the same machine is not anticipated since this is not a development
>     platform, and general usage pattern is to have a single instance.


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Jyri Virkki wrote:
>
> I have updated the case materials with a minor change from the project
> team with respect to the packaging. Squid now delivers two packages to
> comply with the packaging split requirements.
> 
> I'll extend the timer to 10/10/2007.
> 
> Latest spec is here as before (changes have not propagated as of the
> time of this email, takes a few hours):
> 
> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/arc/caselog/2007/554/materials/squid-txt/
> 
> Diff from previous version:

Actually, here is the correct diff (typos fixed):

4c4
< 27 September 2007
---
> 08 October 2007
163,166c163,168
<     We propose to package squid under SUNWsquid. Multiple versions
<     coexisting on the same machine is not anticipated since this is not
<     a development platform, and general usage pattern is to have a single
<     instance.
---
>     We propose to package squid under SUNWsquidr SUNWsquidu. The
>     SUNWsquidr package contains installation specific details that users
>     modify (/etc/squid and /var/squid) and SUNWsquidu contains files that
>     are installation independent (/usr).  Multiple versions coexisting on
>     the same machine is not anticipated since this is not a development
>     platform, and general usage pattern is to have a single instance.


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Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:51:46 -0700
From: Jyri Virkki <Jyri.Virkki@sun.com>
Subject: Re: WSARC/2007/554 Deliver Squid into OpenSolaris (10/04/2007)
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This case timed out Oct.10, questions all seem to have answered and no
additional discussions have been raised for a good while, so I've
marked it closed approved today.


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Jyri J. Virkki - jyri.virkki@sun.com - Sun Microsystems

